New boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" instead (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
165€ / £120 / $195 / and for once the real prices for all to see: CA$ 235 / AU$ 245 / NZ$ 290 / 22.000 Yen
So both a huge price but a huge discount at the same time, making it a pretty solid choice if you want 2 Knights. Too bad the large difference between the UK and Euro price will make us incapable of competing vs UK retailers.
Game is derived from the minigame they did in the WD around the Stormsurge release if I remember correctly, the one were each superheavy had its own datasheet, with damage locations and numbers everywhere. Game includes specific decals for each knight allowing you to decorate one of them as a renegade Knight. No Chaos specific sprues thought (those are the regular models already sold in stores).
As far as I can see an Imperial Knight Warden on it's own is £95, so for an extra £25 I'm getting another Knight Model (though can't work out which one?) and a piece of terrain that normally retails for £20.00.
I've been toying with getting a Knight for a while, this may be my tipping point.
The free datasheets available at the Black Library WD download archive were removed by the way. The mini-game featured hit zone datasheets like we had in late 1st Edition (compiled in the Vehicle Manual). Maybe they will add Tau, Eldar and Ork datasheets to the game via White Dwarf.
I'm curious how this turns out, looks like some funny 'Mech vs Mech' battles lie ahead
More discounted bundles is always good. If you are gaming on a budget, the take away is never buy anything new because it will probably be bundled eventually. I am looking forward to the Archaon bundle with an army thrown in.
Damn it, I wanted a Knight for a long time. I don't really need one at the moment and I vowed to purchase less stuff... but that's 132€ at 20% discount. Split with another player and you have a Knight for 66€ and some terrain for the club.
After the initial excitement of the Knights, it's seemed to me like FW has been the one getting all the sales. Anecdotally, I've seen very few of either the Knight-Warden or Knight kits moving locally since the FW Knights debuted on the scene.
Plus it's probably easier to sell someone on the idea of a 'normal' Knight when it comes bundled with a Warden allowing you to do carapace weapons for both.
My guess is that Kirby's insistence on not cutting prices is making things difficult for the new guy, so they are finding ways of makings things cheaper without actually cutting prices. Discount bundles has very much been the theme of 2016 so far. I hope it continues. The only downside is that they seem to have a fixed discount limit of 40%. Nothing has had a bigger discount than that yet.
On a related note, for a self proclaimed miniatures company, there have been an awful lot of new rules coming out of GW lately.
Yeah I probably wouldn't have dropped £85-95 on one of the Knight models. They've got me with this deal and I'll definitely partake. Though if I can get it cheaper via an online retailer I'll likely take advantage of that to save more money.
They probably called back all of the old knight boxes and are reboxing them. Still $195 USD for two knights is a Damn good deal. I would make a Crusader and a Warden.
My guess is that Kirby's insistence on not cutting prices is making things difficult for the new guy, so they are finding ways of makings things cheaper without actually cutting prices. Discount bundles has very much been the theme of 2016 so far. I hope it continues. The only downside is that they seem to have a fixed discount limit of 40%. Nothing has had a bigger discount than that yet.
On a related note, for a self proclaimed miniatures company, there have been an awful lot of new rules coming out of GW lately.
The Seraphon bundle would like a word about the "discount limit".
Buy a Carnosaur, get a unit of Saurus Knights and 12 Saurus Warriors free!
They probably called back all of the old knight boxes and are reboxing them. Still $195 USD for two knights is a Damn good deal. I would make a Crusader and a Warden.
They would have done that ages ago. The Knights are here until the stock finally runs down.
You know what would get me to buy a knight better than two knights for $195? One knight for $95. They need to get over the whole aversion to lowering prices.
casvalremdeikun wrote: You know what would get me to buy a knight better than two knights for $195? One knight for $95. They need to get over the whole aversion to lowering prices.
But still, a deal is a deal.
I could see the Knight Warden going down to $140, but there's no way in hell they'd drop it from $157 to $95.
Maybe my ancient Epic hit location dice will make a long due return to the table?
Depends. If they copy Godbreaker Clash, then no; whilst there's up/left, down/right rolls, they vary with what action you're doing - so a 'standard' attack hits on a 3-4, an 'aimed' attack on a 2-5 and a 'snap attack' always scatters.
I would love them to do datasheets for the Wraithknight, Gorkanaut and Lord Of Skulls to go with it - it's actually a really, really fun little game. It even self-balances - you can take or not take a carapace weapon, for example, because not taking one costs you a weapon system but makes you a smaller target.
Will definitely consider getting this. Hell, the fact that it's a full Imperial Knight army for a couple of hundred quid is awesome.
Using the 'boxed games' as a way to do discounts without doing discounts is fair enough if they're not being allowed to do flat out 'price drops'.
It reminds me of discussions I had with some people from forge world at games day, when they were still verboten from doing 'horus heresy' stuff, so they started doing the Badab War series instead, featuring chapters who fielded many old marks of armour (I'm looking at you, minotaurs and red scorpions) and often had shoulder icons which looked suspiciously like first founding legions in a different colour (and that's you, sons of medusa).
The 'start collecting' boxes are cool, too. I get that GW has to be profitable, but at the same time, if I can buy a box for a price not dissimilar to a 1st tier computer game, and have enough of an army to make me want to get the rest, GW wins. Staring up a 2,000 point 'hill' from the bottom with no cheap way into it means I don't start the army at all.
Maybe my ancient Epic hit location dice will make a long due return to the table?
Depends. If they copy Godbreaker Clash, then no; whilst there's up/left, down/right rolls, they vary with what action you're doing - so a 'standard' attack hits on a 3-4, an 'aimed' attack on a 2-5 and a 'snap attack' always scatters.
I would love them to do datasheets for the Wraithknight, Gorkanaut and Lord Of Skulls to go with it - it's actually a really, really fun little game. It even self-balances - you can take or not take a carapace weapon, for example, because not taking one costs you a weapon system but makes you a smaller target.
Will definitely consider getting this. Hell, the fact that it's a full Imperial Knight army for a couple of hundred quid is awesome.
Using the 'boxed games' as a way to do discounts without doing discounts is fair enough if they're not being allowed to do flat out 'price drops'.
It reminds me of discussions I had with some people from forge world at games day, when they were still verboten from doing 'horus heresy' stuff, so they started doing the Badab War series instead, featuring chapters who fielded many old marks of armour (I'm looking at you, minotaurs and red scorpions) and often had shoulder icons which looked suspiciously like first founding legions in a different colour (and that's you, sons of medusa).
The 'start collecting' boxes are cool, too. I get that GW has to be profitable, but at the same time, if I can buy a box for a price not dissimilar to a 1st tier computer game, and have enough of an army to make me want to get the rest, GW wins. Staring up a 2,000 point 'hill' from the bottom with no cheap way into it means I don't start the army at all.
I missed this first time around so looked it up, It really reminds me of how Epic use to deal with titans and how vechiles were in RT. They should trial this game, get feedback than adapt it into 8th edition, that'll sort out the vechile vs MC issues
For those who have one, that new sprue they made for the Knight, would one of them work across two Knights? I mean only one missile launcher, sure, but if one has the ML are there are enough bitz to give the other one the TL-Autocannon?
How inured are people now to GW's prices where they can bundle a couple of models together, knock a bit of money off the massively inflated RRP and suddenly, it's a massive bargain? It only seems a bargain because the price is artificially high in the first place. I really wish GW would take a long hard look and conduct a root and branch price review for the express purpose of growing their games and customer base rather than constantly jacking prices up and then bundling stuff together to make it seem like you are getting a great deal. Hoping against hope, I guess.
filbert wrote: How inured are people now to GW's prices where they can bundle a couple of models together, knock a bit of money off the massively inflated RRP and suddenly, it's a massive bargain?
Well then you go and buy that "massive bargain" from a discounter. 20% off something that's reduced by 40%? I can live with that.
filbert wrote: How inured are people now to GW's prices where they can bundle a couple of models together, knock a bit of money off the massively inflated RRP and suddenly, it's a massive bargain? It only seems a bargain because the price is artificially high in the first place. I really wish GW would take a long hard look and conduct a root and branch price review for the express purpose of growing their games and customer base rather than constantly jacking prices up and then bundling stuff together to make it seem like you are getting a great deal. Hoping against hope, I guess.
120 GBP for 2 Knights and one bit of scenery is still too much? I have seen the Knight sprues and the completed models, a kit of this size for 55 GBP (one Knight and minus scenery)? I think that's pretty good. Reduce it by further 20% from resellers. That IS a bargain, no matter the initial RRP of a single Knight.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For those who have one, that new sprue they made for the Knight, would one of them work across two Knights? I mean only one missile launcher, sure, but if one has the ML are there are enough bitz to give the other one the TL-Autocannon?
If one has the ML then the other can be given the Icarus autocannons, yes.
You'll only have enough parts to build a single Thunderstrike Gauntlet, as that's specific to the Knight-Warden sprue but you'd be able to build two Reaper Chainblades if you wanted to.
filbert wrote: How inured are people now to GW's prices where they can bundle a couple of models together, knock a bit of money off the massively inflated RRP and suddenly, it's a massive bargain? It only seems a bargain because the price is artificially high in the first place. I really wish GW would take a long hard look and conduct a root and branch price review for the express purpose of growing their games and customer base rather than constantly jacking prices up and then bundling stuff together to make it seem like you are getting a great deal. Hoping against hope, I guess.
You are obviously very jaded/biased on this topic, but I just want to point out one thing.
Objectively, GW's models are usually worth the price.
I say this from a comparative point of view. Go find any other models at a similar scale or size with the same detail.
Pro-tio, you can't. GW's models are some of the best quality in the world. I actually own an Imperial Knight, and after having built many Gundam models, and seen a large amount of WWll models they is just no way to compare them. GW models bring a lot of detail to the table with a high level of customization. You can say that they are too expensive for us gamers (I agree) but you can't say they are not worth their value. That's just being close-minded on the subject.
Tldr; GW prices their kits as models first and foremost, and the prices fit that view.
If this was in Epic scale, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. A 2 model game when the models are that big? Nah; there are going to be better gladiator style games out there.
I'd maybe buy a cheap Knight just to paint/display, but I've got no need for 2 of them. This might land me one from the box splitters though.
Herzlos wrote: If this was in Epic scale, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. A 2 model game when the models are that big? Nah; there are going to be better gladiator style games out there.
I'd maybe buy a cheap Knight just to paint/display, but I've got no need for 2 of them. This might land me one from the box splitters though.
If t was in Epic scale it would be called Adeptus Titanicus and you would want to run proper sized titans.
I'm building/Painting a FW Castigator at the moment and really enjoying it. I have no problem with getting two more knights at these prices....and me with a birthday coming up!
Could I use this to build one knight as a Crusader and the other as a Warden? Also, I like the appearance of the Gauntlet, but hate its rules. Do you think I would encounter friction if I said it had the chainsword, even though it had the Gauntlet? Especially given that the other knight wouldn't have a CCW?
casvalremdeikun wrote: Could I use this to build one knight as a Crusader and the other as a Warden?
No. There's only one Gatling Cannon. You could do a Paladin or Errant instead of the Crusader though. Or you could do a Crusader and Gallant.
Also, I like the appearance of the Gauntlet, but hate its rules. Do you think I would encounter friction if I said it had the chainsword, even though it had the Gauntlet? Especially given that the other knight wouldn't have a CCW?
I wouldn't just straight up take the Gauntlet and proxy it, just because that's kinda weird.
If you attempted to convert a 'chainfist' though...different story.
I'd be in on this... have always wanted to paint a knight but just had no excuse to buy one... but 40% off two of em WITH terrain? Yup. GW making another good move IMHO.
Unless you are a completionist, this is an extremely nice bundle, yes. I, sadly, will have to pass...I need two gatling guns, not one :| Unless some1 from my FLG will want to split and take the lame ass Knight variant...
10 points to the first person who makes a Solaris VII themed table and convert their knights into proper looking Battlemechs
I have dreamed of running a Axeman for so long now...
Hm... The Factory or Jungle?
If you used the old Tyco Axman toy the Knights would be about Urbanmech size in comparison. Could be a fun game if you came up with the right stats for the bigger Axman!
casvalremdeikun wrote: Could I use this to build one knight as a Crusader and the other as a Warden?
No. There's only one Gatling Cannon. You could do a Paladin or Errant instead of the Crusader though. Or you could do a Crusader and Gallant.
Also, I like the appearance of the Gauntlet, but hate its rules. Do you think I would encounter friction if I said it had the chainsword, even though it had the Gauntlet? Especially given that the other knight wouldn't have a CCW?
I wouldn't just straight up take the Gauntlet and proxy it, just because that's kinda weird.
If you attempted to convert a 'chainfist' though...different story.
Crap, I forgot the Avenger Gatling was base and the battle cannon was the option. I had it backwards in my head. I think I would do a Paladin with a Reaper Chainsword and combine the Chainsword and Gauntlet to make a chainfist for the Warden. Another option would be to build an handle onto the Chainsword and turn it into a literal Chainsword for the Warden.
At a price like that, I don't think I can say no! I need more terrain and I've wanted a Knight for a while anyway - may as well get two for that price!
I like this. Everyone is talking about the Knights, but I like the idea of GW throwing in terrain like this. Everyone needs terrain but it always seems to be that thing a lot of people end up most reluctant to buy. If GW continues throwing in some building sprues beyond this set, the idea of slowly acquiring enough for a solid table full of terrain over time has an appeal.
aka_mythos wrote: I like this. Everyone is talking about the Knights, but I like the idea of GW throwing in terrain like this. Everyone needs terrain but it always seems to be that thing a lot of people end up most reluctant to buy. If GW continues throwing in some building sprues beyond this set, the idea of slowly acquiring enough for a solid table full of terrain over time has an appeal.
The terrain is an added bonus. I would love for the Aquila Strongpoint to come with Quake Cannon Craters. I could see Guard platoons coming with a bunker or something.
So, it looks like a Knight Household will now begin. I'm getting annoyed with these lower priced bundle things they're doing. It's taking too much of the loot outta my pockets
filbert wrote: How inured are people now to GW's prices where they can bundle a couple of models together, knock a bit of money off the massively inflated RRP and suddenly, it's a massive bargain? It only seems a bargain because the price is artificially high in the first place. I really wish GW would take a long hard look and conduct a root and branch price review for the express purpose of growing their games and customer base rather than constantly jacking prices up and then bundling stuff together to make it seem like you are getting a great deal. Hoping against hope, I guess.
120 GBP for 2 Knights and one bit of scenery is still too much? I have seen the Knight sprues and the completed models, a kit of this size for 55 GBP (one Knight and minus scenery)? I think that's pretty good. Reduce it by further 20% from resellers. That IS a bargain, no matter the initial RRP of a single Knight.
Ya he's just being a salty GW hater.
The fact is not only is this kit over 40% off (why aren't people including the terrain kit in the markdown price? And there is a special renegade transfer sheet). It's also sold to retailers at 40% off the msrp. That is a freakin massive deal. Even the crappier looking fake Knights people were using as proxies cost more then that. This is a huge deal anyway you look at it.
However do I really need 3 Knights? Sure ad lance is a cool formation but then all of a sudden I'm that guy at the flgs!
TheWaspinator wrote: This deal almost invalidates the sale of the standalone Warden, since the marginal cost of a second knight is pretty small.
Just like the Heros of the Space Marines pretty much invalidates the 3 clampack characters included in it, and some of the Getting Started kits invalidate other kits- Crisis Suits, Carnosaur, ect.
For some reason GW is not willing/able to lower prices, so they are doing these bundles to give effective price drops on a number of kits.
A Friend and I are going to split this set so we both get another knight. The Paladin + terrain is not too far in price from the Warden, so it is a near even split.
There will be a 40k Renegade Knight datasheet and rules for playing Knights(?) in CSM and CD armies in the box
Archibald_Tk - Warseer
So to answer a few questions some of you may or may not have asked:
- AFAIK the game is not restricted to English.
- The two Knights in the story are the Ever-Stalwart of House Terryn (Battle Cannon, Reaper Chainsword, Icarus Autocannon, Heavy Stubbers) and the Litany of Destruction (Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike Gauntlet, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Heavy Stubber).
- There are only two big cards, one for each of these knights setups. But there are references to play with other weapons setups.
- Game includes a Datasheet to play a Renegade Knight in 40K, but there is only one sheet so I hope they're not restricted to the CC version.
- Also includes a detachment to ally Knights to CSM and Chaos Daemons.
- 8 pages of rules including the 40K ones if I got it right.
It didn't notice anything special regarding availability.
There are no rules in the next WD (besides a new unrelated BaC scenario), so far it's all in the box.
TheWaspinator wrote: This deal almost invalidates the sale of the standalone Warden, since the marginal cost of a second knight is pretty small.
Just like the Heros of the Space Marines pretty much invalidates the 3 clampack characters included in it, and some of the Getting Started kits invalidate other kits- Crisis Suits, Carnosaur, ect.
For some reason GW is not willing/able to lower prices, so they are doing these bundles to give effective price drops on a number of kits.
A Friend and I are going to split this set so we both get another knight. The Paladin + terrain is not too far in price from the Warden, so it is a near even split.
Heroes of the Space Marines includes three models, but costs $10USD less than two. It is a fantastic deal. The Carnosaur is another good one, buy a Carnosaur, get two kits free.
This set is a pretty good deal too. In USD is it $157+$140+$33, so $330 value for $195. You are practically getting the second knight for free. I am going to keep an eye out for it on eBay, hopefully get it for 20% off. Then I get the knight and the scenery for free.
TheWaspinator wrote: This deal almost invalidates the sale of the standalone Warden, since the marginal cost of a second knight is pretty small.
Just like the Heros of the Space Marines pretty much invalidates the 3 clampack characters included in it, and some of the Getting Started kits invalidate other kits- Crisis Suits, Carnosaur, ect.
For some reason GW is not willing/able to lower prices, so they are doing these bundles to give effective price drops on a number of kits.
A Friend and I are going to split this set so we both get another knight. The Paladin + terrain is not too far in price from the Warden, so it is a near even split.
The Carnosaur one is probably the strangest of that bunch. It's literally the same retail price for just a Carnosaur and for a Carnosaur with bonus stuff. Unless you can find a clearance deal on a Carnosaur, there's really no downside to getting the extra figures. Even the Crisis Suits one isn't quite as messed up, since there is a small price difference. It's good that they're creating some bundles with saner prices, but the standalone prices are still inflated to the point where they just look strange next to the bundle price.
TheWaspinator wrote: This deal almost invalidates the sale of the standalone Warden, since the marginal cost of a second knight is pretty small.
Just like the Heros of the Space Marines pretty much invalidates the 3 clampack characters included in it, and some of the Getting Started kits invalidate other kits- Crisis Suits, Carnosaur, ect.
For some reason GW is not willing/able to lower prices, so they are doing these bundles to give effective price drops on a number of kits.
A Friend and I are going to split this set so we both get another knight. The Paladin + terrain is not too far in price from the Warden, so it is a near even split.
The Carnosaur one is probably the strangest of that bunch. It's literally the same retail price for just a Carnosaur and for a Carnosaur with bonus stuff. Unless you can find a clearance deal on a Carnosaur, there's really no downside to getting the extra figures. Even the Crisis Suits one isn't quite as messed up, since there is a small price difference. It's good that they're creating some bundles with saner prices, but the standalone prices are still inflated to the point where they just look strange next to the bundle price.
It's probably because of our retail KPIs - high sales of boxed sets looks better on a financial report than the sale of individual kits, and we're explicitly told to go for boxed set sales more than individual kits.
It's also a pretty standard sales technique related to Golilocks pricing - the individual kit seems expensive, the boxed set includes that kit + a bunch of other stuff for only a little more than the individual kit, thus seeming like much better value than it might otherwise appear. In short, the boxed set's price is juuuuuuuust right.
BrookM wrote: For me this is crossing into the territories of "Do I add another pair of blue Knights to my Questoris, or do I finally go for Freeblades now?"
Why not both? Make a blue knight and a freeblade? That is my plan. A blue Knight Warden, and a green Freeblade Knight (that can function as Gerantius if I want to).
BrookM wrote: For me this is crossing into the territories of "Do I add another pair of blue Knights to my Questoris, or do I finally go for Freeblades now?"
Why not both? Make a blue knight and a freeblade? That is my plan. A blue Knight Warden, and a green Freeblade Knight (that can function as Gerantius if I want to).
True, it would also be the perfect excuse to finally get a House Terryn upgrade kit from Forge World at long last.
Chances are mine will be another Paladin and a Crusader then, one can never have enough dakka.
I have wanted a Knight for a while but I am not buying one at 110eur or two at 220eur. Two for 160 eur? Yes please.
They are not losing money by giving a discount. From me they are getting 160eur instead of 0eur.
This is why GW has been creating such outstanding deals on their box sets! Look at how many $30 mono-pose minis you get in Deathwatch: Overkill for $165. They have created a better price point while still generating revenue.
reds8n wrote: $195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.
reds8n wrote: $195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.
Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(
You might need more Knights but at that price can you afford to say no?
For some reason GW is not willing/able to lower prices, so they are doing these bundles to give effective price drops on a number of kits.
A Friend and I are going to split this set so we both get another knight. The Paladin + terrain is not too far in price from the Warden, so it is a near even split.
That was the edict from Rowntree though, he stated both that there would be no price reduction of stock but that there should be more 'bang to your buck' in a box...
It may relate to share price and investor view on lowering prices vs putting out these boxes to get around that, a sale without having a sale...
That was the edict from Rowntree though, he stated both that there would be no price reduction of stock but that there should be more 'bang to your buck' in a box...
It may relate to share price and investor view on lowering prices vs putting out these boxes to get around that, a sale without having a sale...
Could also be an attempt at market research - a search for the pricing sweet spot for different kits...
I'm baffled by the logic I frequently see that goes something like: "this set of multiple things is a good deal, and at my stores X% discount, it makes it an even better deal vs retail!"
Wouldn't you also get that X% discount on the individual components of the set? That doesn't make it any better of a deal.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I'm baffled by the logic I frequently see that goes something like: "this set of multiple things is a good deal, and at my stores X% discount, it makes it an even better deal vs retail!"
Wouldn't you also get that X% discount on the individual components of the set? That doesn't make it any better of a deal.
If it was direct only, the store discount wouldn't be part of the equation. This is available through retailers.
I'm trying to spend less per month on this hobby, but GW just keeps coming out with these badass deals! I'm going to really have to think about this one before I throw down $200+ after tax. At least this doesn't seem to be a limited-time offer.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I'm baffled by the logic I frequently see that goes something like: "this set of multiple things is a good deal, and at my stores X% discount, it makes it an even better deal vs retail!"
Wouldn't you also get that X% discount on the individual components of the set? That doesn't make it any better of a deal.
Because Math
If A is 10 bucks, B is 20 bucks, and C is 30 Bucks, your retailer buys them for 60 bucks minus discount.
If all 3 are 40 bucks from GW, your retailer buys them for 40 bucks minus discount.
A store currently pays GW the same amount for the Warden and the Sanctum that they will for this new box. Cheaper prices from GW on sets means that with an equal discount from your store, the set will be a better deal than the components.
However you look at it, this box is a free knight.
Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.
A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"
They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.
Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.
A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"
They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.
Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.
Seperately, these kits are $160(Knight Warden)+$140(Knight Errant)+$33(terrain)=$333. A 20% discount on that is ~$266. The bundle is $195. 20% of which is ~$156. So comparing $266 to $156 you save $110. Is that the comparison you would prefer people make?
Albino Squirrel wrote: Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.
A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"
They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.
Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.
Seperately, these kits are $160(Knight Warden)+$140(Knight Errant)+$33(terrain)=$333. A 20% discount on that is ~$266. The bundle is $195. 20% of which is ~$156. So comparing $266 to $156 you save $110. Is that the comparison you would prefer people make?
This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.
Disciple of Fate wrote: This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.
Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.
Disciple of Fate wrote: This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.
Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.
Thanks for your response! Still on the fence exactly which ones to build, guess it depends on the rules included, else I will just go CtA for CSm.
Disciple of Fate wrote: This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.
Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.
Thanks for your response! Still on the fence exactly which ones to build, guess it depends on the rules included, else I will just go CtA for CSm.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Could I use this to build one knight as a Crusader and the other as a Warden?
No. There's only one Gatling Cannon. You could do a Paladin or Errant instead of the Crusader though. Or you could do a Crusader and Gallant.
Also, I like the appearance of the Gauntlet, but hate its rules. Do you think I would encounter friction if I said it had the chainsword, even though it had the Gauntlet? Especially given that the other knight wouldn't have a CCW?
I wouldn't just straight up take the Gauntlet and proxy it, just because that's kinda weird.
If you attempted to convert a 'chainfist' though...different story.
I converted the chainsaw into a giant chainsword using various bits, then had the gauntlet holding it. This goes on the leader of my knights army as a master crafted weapon.
reds8n wrote: $195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.
Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(
And I need a LFGS in the area that sells discount GW.
reds8n wrote: $195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.
Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(
Or, and this is just a counterpoint idea, you do need more Knights. Hm? HMMMMMM?
reds8n wrote: $195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)
Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.
Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(
Or, and this is just a counterpoint idea, you do need more Knights. Hm? HMMMMMM?
I don't actually have any knights.. So technically you're not wrong.
Herzlos wrote: If this was in Epic scale, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. A 2 model game when the models are that big? Nah; there are going to be better gladiator style games out there.
I'd maybe buy a cheap Knight just to paint/display, but I've got no need for 2 of them. This might land me one from the box splitters though.
Totally with you; Adeptus Titanicus was one of my favorite aspects of the hobby back in the day.
I know the rumors swirl of bringing back Epic in some regard, but I would love to see a re-boot and re-scale.
Not quite to this size though. Yes, it's a great deal for sure, but...
Great way to move some units on their end though.
Crazyterran wrote: I was just getting ready to paint Living Litany as part of my Freeblade army. But if he's a filthy traitor...
He can be two things! Besides, why would not want to have an insane knight in your army?
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Asuo wrote: Is it me or does the Renagade Knight look like its had a chuck blasted out of its face plate ?, could be alternative parts in the kit?
The Renegade Knight (Litany of Destruction) is actually a knight that was featured in the Imperial Knight codex called The Living Litany. Basically its fluff was that it was an maddened, insane knight that beseeched the God-Emperor when it charged into battle. Imperial Forces were not particularly keen on its crazed ramblings, but shrugged it off because it tended to kick-arse in combat.
Apparently the cause of its insanity is now revealed to be Chaos influenced... Looks like the same paint-job as the one in the Knight Codex, just with Chaos markings over it now.
So with Deathwatch, Lost Patrol, this, Silver tower, flyer game and Horus game, we will have 6 new boxed games in one year. Is that a record?
Edit. Forgot kiddy 40k. Make that 7!
Shops get WDW early thats why a few people can take blurred cell pics.
According to a Natfka source 'while supplies last', according to Archibald_TK (FLGS owner or worker) it is not. Maybe GW's communication is not consistent here.
The game will be sold in different languages which has been a pretty reliable hint that it is a larger release. Maybe only the english edition will be reprinted.
I would not wait with a purchase though as the interest seems to be very high.
Edit: Yes, the list didnt say 'While stocks last', good point, Chikout
I have to say, I played Godbreaker Clash - as it was 'badged' and it looks like it's pretty much identical. It's a really good game - I hope we'll get 'datasheets' for the forge world knights and the other similar sized engines from other races.
I'll be especially interested to see if there are any many-on-many skirmish rules.
Warhams-77 wrote: Shops get WDW early thats why a few people can take blurred cell pics.
According to a Natfka source 'while supplies last', according to Archibald_TK (FLGS owner or worker) it is not. Maybe GW's communication is not consistent here.
Well that's good news. Nafka the inreliable saying it's limited means it's almost certain to NOT be limited. I don't have money to buy this for a long while(say within a year) so good news for me.
What interests me about that White Dwarf article is that it reads like they actually played a game instead of just making up a narrative. There are a reasonable number of successes and failures and (perhaps most surprisingly) Chaos actually manages to win a game against the Imperial posterboy. Compared to previous White Dwarf battlereports where the people were clearly playing a game with made up rules for the narrative and to advertise product, this is a huge leap in the right direction in terms of being a game company.
Just wanted to verify that there aren't any Chaos Knight bits in this box set, right? The corrupted Knight just looks that way due to paint/decal application? Not that it is a deal breaker if there aren't Chaos bits, the box set has a lot of value as is, but if there are Chaos bits this went from a definite buy to "OH MY GOD GIMMIE GIMMIE!"
I think he would be alluding to actual knight chaos bits, as opposed to generic spikes and chains from the rhino kit or whatnot... but yeah... barring full on armor plate re-sculpts, generic 'chaos'ing' is not too tough...
The photos in WD show both of them having rocket pods--which isn't doable if it's 2 basic Knights+1 Warden sprue. There's only one rocket pod body on the Warden sprue and the basic Knight sprue, unless recut, does not have it.
The photos in WD show both of them having rocket pods--which isn't doable if it's 2 basic Knights+1 Warden sprue. There's only one rocket pod body on the Warden sprue and the basic Knight sprue, unless recut, does not have it.
But then, the last picture for "Turn 5" removes the rocket pod...
For whatever reason, there's no snapshot of Page 3 of White Dwarf, which reads on the sidebar below the picture of the box contents:
The contents of the box, including an Imperial Knight and an Imperial Knight Warden, a ruined Sanctum Imperialis, two reference cards (one each for the Litany of Destruction and Ever-Stalwart), a transfer sheet, and an eight page booklet containing rules and missions for knightly duels in the 41st Millennium.
Pictured above, on the box and the box contents are two knights: one assembled with a rocket pod, one with the twin Icarus autocannon(which you can do with 1 warden sprue and 2 original IK set of sprues), a crater, and what looks like 2 buildings built from 1 Sanctum Imperialis set. And a blue die and red die
There is also a little piece of rubble or a crater that is cut off at the bottom of the picture. Oh yeah, Icarus guy is equipped with a left-handed chainsword and battlecannon, and the rocket pod knight has the thunderstrike gauntlet and a right-handed chainsword.
Decently priced models
Actual battle reports
A conversion article posted in a GW-made publication
No wonder canada has been in a freaking snowstorm for the past two months, hell froze over (and it's apparently under Ontario)!
But seriously, if the boxed game is also good too, then GW would have hit the motherload with this one, and would have finally earned some brownie points from me.
The photos in WD show both of them having rocket pods--which isn't doable if it's 2 basic Knights+1 Warden sprue. There's only one rocket pod body on the Warden sprue and the basic Knight sprue, unless recut, does not have it.
The text mentions that they opted to play with the knight built to tie in with the iOS game rather than the one in the box and that Renegade contains rules for using your own load outs of knights in the game.
hopefully that loadout variety carries over into the datasheet and Chaos can finally get in on that sweet sweet Rocket Pod/Thunderstrike goodness in regular 40K
So just to recap is this a kind of game mode to play with knights in a duel like scenario ?
Yes. Reading the report it looks like it's 99% copied over from Godbreaker Clash, which is a one-on-one giant stompy robot duelling game. The rules are fundamentally different to 40k, and include aiming for and taking out specific bits of an opposing unit (weapons, leg joints, etc).
The initial version in White Dwarf included rules for an Imperial Knight and a Stormsurge Ballistic Suit, and although there's no indication there's any mention of the latter in the box, having a 'bolt on' for each of models for which they have the 'flat colour frontal artwork'* would be fairly quick and easy.
I think that gives you Imperial Knight, Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Gorkanaut/Morkanaut. I'm not sure if similar artwork exists for either the Lord Of Skulls or the Bloodthirster - it's probably in Khorne Daemonkin if it exists - can anyone confirm?
Mymearan wrote: Did anyone notice the maps? Pretty sure this is the first proper battle report, with detailed turn-by-turn synopsis and maps, in several years...
Haha, I came here to comment the exact same thing. The maps are so super old school they must have dragged their map maker out of retirement for this.
Love it, and I hope we get more battle reports in the future!
So just to recap is this a kind of game mode to play with knights in a duel like scenario ?
Yes.
I think that gives you Imperial Knight, Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Gorkanaut/Morkanaut.
If it goes by the Freeblade game, we'll need to see Forgeworld give rules for their Great Brass Scorpion, Decimator and Mega-Dread. And GW will need to give rules for the Lord of Skulls. Plus, we'll need rules for the Stompa. And the Heldrake.
So just to recap is this a kind of game mode to play with knights in a duel like scenario ?
Yes.
I think that gives you Imperial Knight, Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Gorkanaut/Morkanaut.
If it goes by the Freeblade game, we'll need to see Forgeworld give rules for their Great Brass Scorpion, Decimator and Mega-Dread. And GW will need to give rules for the Lord of Skulls. Plus, we'll need rules for the Stompa. And the Heldrake.
Would be fantastic if they included a Hierodule as well.
So.. sorry if I'm late to the party, but does this give us rules for chaos knights? I'm using the rules from forgeworld for my current one, but rules for the melee variant would be nice..
Chaos star transfers a chaos knight do not make! No spikes? No warped blitz? Pah! If only FW sold the chaos knight bits without the plastic vanilla knight bits.
Virules wrote: So we are thinking the Renegade Knight has the exact same rules as an Imperial Knight Warden? Or is he some named knight?
In the game, it is a named knight, though there are rules for custom loadouts. I don't think there is much known about a potential Chaos Knight datasheet.
Virules wrote: So we are thinking the Renegade Knight has the exact same rules as an Imperial Knight Warden? Or is he some named knight?
In the game, it is a named knight, though there are rules for custom loadouts. I don't think there is much known about a potential Chaos Knight datasheet.
According to the WD article, the box contains both a Chaos Knight datasheet and a detachment for use in Chaos armies.
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote: So, does this box have full rules for play? Literal buy the box and it has everything needed?
No rules for standard Knights in 40k. You'll need the codex for that.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: So, does this box have full rules for play? Literal buy the box and it has everything needed?
No rules for standard Knights in 40k. You'll need the codex for that.
No interest in 40K, all interest is in if this box is a stand alone.
Everything you need for the game is in the box. Say what you want about GW, they do their specialty games right. I honestly expect to see rules for other GMCs and SHVs to be added later.
Iuchiban on Warseer posted the 40K rules for the Renegade Knights right here.
Maybe it would be safer to save them somewhere in case a mod remove them. Renegade Knights look awesome. Also pretty funny that they condensed all of the IK datasheet into a single one, resulting in more weapons options than the IK Codex actually has.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For people who have any Knight Kits, are the arm weapons interchangeable?
For example, and with the exception of the power fist and chainsword, could you mount two battle cannons, or two Avenger cannons?
Yes. I think with the guns you might run into an issue with ammo boxes being on the wrong side of the gun and thus limiting how it swivels but that's relatively easy to convert to fix. The easiest way to magnetize is it the way you're talking is at the "elbow" where the weapon articulates up and down. The weapons have loop and the two halves up the upper arm fit together around it and through the hole of the loop. If you drill out the hoop to fit a magnet and then clip the cross bars formed by the two halves of the upper arms you can glue one or two magnets to the inside of the upper arm and you should be able to assemble and disassemble to switch out the weapons.
Huh, the Renegade Knight actually isn't terrible. Actually, it's just a Knight Gallant that can buy all the arm weapons.
Well I'll be damned (oh wait, I already am).
Edit: Oh wait, the only Detachment they have can never be the Primary Detachment. Nevermind GW did find a way to make them a bit worse than normal knights in a way. Not more terrible as a whole, but still annoying.
Today I went to bully some CSM like I always do, and for some reason ended up showered under Battlecannons blasts. I do not understand what is happening, it is a new experience to me...
Thank the Gods, Possessed were still terrible thought.
Slick looking set, I'll most likely pick up a copy.
Really liking what GW is doing with these specialist games. Gives a flavor of the coolest aspects and models of the universe without having to invest in a whole army and ruleset.
So just to recap is this a kind of game mode to play with knights in a duel like scenario ?
Yes. Reading the report it looks like it's 99% copied over from Godbreaker Clash, which is a one-on-one giant stompy robot duelling game. The rules are fundamentally different to 40k, and include aiming for and taking out specific bits of an opposing unit (weapons, leg joints, etc).
The initial version in White Dwarf included rules for an Imperial Knight and a Stormsurge Ballistic Suit, and although there's no indication there's any mention of the latter in the box, having a 'bolt on' for each of models for which they have the 'flat colour frontal artwork'* would be fairly quick and easy.
I think that gives you Imperial Knight, Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Gorkanaut/Morkanaut. I'm not sure if similar artwork exists for either the Lord Of Skulls or the Bloodthirster - it's probably in Khorne Daemonkin if it exists - can anyone confirm?
They had the Wraithknight and the 'Orkanaut Godbreaker sheets as web freebies that week, didn't they? Or were they in issue 90? I can't find them, now,
DarknessEternal wrote: Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.
Well the Renegade Knight is technically not a CSM so there is that.
On the other hand it has more weapon combos than the Imperial Knight and manages to do it in a single dataslate rather than a $41 codex. And with this box they're cheaper $-wise too. Not what I expected at all. Good job GW.
DarknessEternal wrote: Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.
The ones I hear most so far are about how this doesn't allow marks. The one that is fairly reasonable has to do with the detachment. It grants the PE bonus to you, but also grants it to the opponent. It is either unused, or it it instantly levels the playing field and thus provides no actual advantage. If the opponent brought more knights than you, your rule provides more benefit to them, and viceversa.
There are also some grips about how the detachment is not allowed to be your primary one.
On the other hand, I've seen at least two posters complain about this Knight being better than the standard Imperium model. "Why does GW constantly **** on the Imperium like this?" was uttered. I personally laughed at the irony.
I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.
Man, I want that boxed set so bad. I would love to have two knights. The game is a nice touch, but my knights would both be loyalist. I am thinking a nice Orange and Violet color scheme for one, and the other as Gerantius or a Freeblade.
I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.
I actually hadn't considered this, but it's a really good point! This a pretty immense buff to orks given their lack of effective answers to super-heavies / big things outside of using IA5.
Lack of marks is a little annoying, but then again these are renegade knights, not Chaos Knights so that's understandable - I'll probably get the box and use both Knights as renegades in the detachment, and keep my existing Chaos Knight separate rather than going for a full Household.
It's a good option, no denying that - it's not Chaos, but it's a good option
DarknessEternal wrote: Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.
Imperial Knights get Preferred Enemy against them!
Renegade Knights also get it against Loyalist Knights so its kinda break even. I think the downside is the absence of a Senechal in having a complete formation.
I actually think these Renegade knights have a slight advantage in that, unlike their loyalist counterparts, they can be equipped more flexibly and aren't broken down into distinct patterns and weapon combinations. A twin battle cannon knight with the S8 missile pod is going to let you make alot of boom.
I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.
I actually hadn't considered this, but it's a really good point! This a pretty immense buff to orks given their lack of effective answers to super-heavies / big things outside of using IA5.
It also gives them a better excuse to use their awesome looted Knight conversions and manage to still be fluffy. A full Fallen House detachment and the USR still ends up making some sense. Imp Knights would be pissed off at their existence. And I guess Ork Knight pilots might relish the chance for a propa waaagh duelin.
My FLGS and local tournies don't like Chaos Knights from Forge World since they're still Experimental. Well, they can't stop me from bringing this
Sadly can't do the silly Daemon version with Grimoire and stuff, but can still Be'lakor for Invisibility on it.
Heck, since it's CSM I can also bring it as an Ally of Convenience with my Necrons without having to worry about all the silly Come the Apocalypse stuff I would have to with Imp Knights.
DarknessEternal wrote: Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.
They lack access to the Formations and Relics that Imperial Knights get
So no Ad Lance and such
I've no doubt that we can expect more renegade/chaos knight formations in future. Having said that, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use the formations from the codex if they're just renegades.
Because the model is a Renegade Knight, the faction is Renegade Knights, so they wouldn't fill the requirement in the formations for faction or for model requirements.
As for this, is the rules in the White Dwarf or in the Renegade box? I would love to use some of my Freeblades along side my Daemons every now and then.
The chaos ones are actually not terrible, as said before their are a bit better TBH since they can double up their guns. More or less they condensed the whole Codex:Knight army list into a single entry. The only "downside" is that they can't be the primary detachment. I'm actully ok with this in all honesty. I also like the fact these are Renegade Knights, Not the Demonically possessed knights from forge world. I like this distinction.
I just wish for armour plates that had a chaos trim to them, with out being all organic/possessed looking.
If the Imperial Knight got a matching datasheet with dual arm weapons, I'd be OK if Imperial Knights were removed as a separate faction and made a Lord of War Choice for AdMech, or a single Formation of 1-3 like Chaos has now. Knight Relics and other formations can go away with no real loss to the game.
Maybe when the Skitarii and Cult Mech books are merged into one full sized AdMech book?
I fully expect WD to include the rules for renegade knights so I dont have to get 2 more knights (would be my eight and ninth, I really dont need any more).
How the times change, not only do GW release renegade rules, but I also expect them to be in WD.
(now that I think about it, I only have 1 chaotic knight, might have to get this box anyway for the full detachment of 3 renegades /just kidding )
I guess if you already wanted 2 IK then it's a good deal, but as an intro product for new players or a standalone game for those who don't have or want a knight based 40k army, it's way too expensive.
I'm sure they'll still sell a lot, mostly to people who just want 2 IK's.
1440 SEK. This one is the first GW deal I've found that's not much cheaper in SEK than US $. Guess it had to happen sometime But with 10% FLGS discount that still rocks in at about $160 total which is pretty nice. There's a sweet deal from an online retailer in the US, free shipping is the big catch, Discount Games Store which is $152 or $153.
Either way, this is a HUGE bargain IMO and tempting enough under the discount worth picking up two knights % a terrain piece.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I'm sure they'll still sell a lot, mostly to people who just want 2 IK's.
Whilst I get what you mean about the issues with a boxed game being that expensive, it is a good deal on the Knights, better if you can find a discounter selling it. That's what makes it attractive to me; I've always wanted Knights, and this is a good excuse.
This!
This is why I prefer B@C for Betrayal at Calth but whatever; it's actually a pretty cool scenario, with ammo crates you have to drag to teleporters and stuff. The real interest though is that you're on "limited ammo" and fire at half firepower but you can bus pt open a crate to get more… except then you reduce the crate's value and you, as the Ultramarines, have to get a certain value of crates off the board using the teleporters to win. All while Sor Gharax is thundering towards you….
Stuff like this is not part of the main line, BUT the new way of doing this sort of item is its made/sold/stocked in shops for 90 days. Then renewed or not based of its sales volume during that 90 days. So its not going to be gone is a few weeks and its not while supplies last, they are not doing that any more with the exception of special things like numbered codex of today's Imperial Marine figure.
Our FLGS only carries White Dwarfs on special order (and justifiably so). Just picked up WD 114 for the DWOK mission that way.
What's the WD number for this new B@C mission, anyone, please?
Thanks.
On topic: This looks really cool but I'm just not into 28mm for these sized models. I'm glad they're selling it at such a good deal for those who do play that way.
May pick up the rules on ebay and use it for smaller scale 40k gaming.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Man, I want that boxed set so bad. I would love to have two knights. The game is a nice touch, but my knights would both be loyalist. I am thinking a nice Orange and Violet color scheme for one, and the other as Gerantius or a Freeblade.
I'm building both as Imperial loyalist knights. I started a thread for people to help me decide on names for my knights (I'll eventually get a third).
Nostromodamus wrote: I ordered the Imperial Knight game, and they gave me the anniversary Space Marine for free, for some reason!
Can't find anywhere that actually tells you about this, so it was a nice surprise!
You spend over £100 or local equivalent today and you get the limited edition Imperial Space Marine 2016 free if he's still in stock. Same deal applies across all the web stores and all physical GW shops.
Nostromodamus wrote: I ordered the Imperial Knight game, and they gave me the anniversary Space Marine for free, for some reason!
Can't find anywhere that actually tells you about this, so it was a nice surprise!
You spend over £100 or local equivalent today and you get the limited edition Imperial Space Marine 2016 free if he's still in stock. Same deal applies across all the web stores and all physical GW shops.
Where do you see that? Under the order list? I got my just got my copy but, no Marine sadly.
Heh, the people who want 40K to be less about giant robots aren't going to like the future. The existence of this box means that you're going to be seeing a lot more knights on the table.
Nostromodamus wrote: I ordered the Imperial Knight game, and they gave me the anniversary Space Marine for free, for some reason!
Can't find anywhere that actually tells you about this, so it was a nice surprise!
You spend over £100 or local equivalent today and you get the limited edition Imperial Space Marine 2016 free if he's still in stock. Same deal applies across all the web stores and all physical GW shops.
Where do you see that? Under the order list? I got my just got my copy but, no Marine sadly.
I preordered the box set and the 30th Anniversary Marine added to my order automatically.
TheWaspinator wrote: Heh, the people who want 40K to be less about giant robots aren't going to like the future. The existence of this box means that you're going to be seeing a lot more knights on the table.
Future? Between the Wraithknight, Stormsurges, Stompa, and Knights, the giant robot thing is now.
TheWaspinator wrote: Heh, the people who want 40K to be less about giant robots aren't going to like the future. The existence of this box means that you're going to be seeing a lot more knights on the table.
More than half of my regular gaming group are getting the box. It could make fore some interesting match-ups in the future, but most of us aren't jackwagons, so I don't expect the dynamic to change much. YMMV
It seems you plan actions before hand, then they all resolve at certain steps, so I don't see why it can't work with 3+ Knights. It doesn't look to be IGOUGO like 40K. May be wrong.
I presume this board game is a limited run just like every other board game. So just like execution force once sales start to decline they will simple discontinue print runs and sell out the remaining stock. This does not mean it is limited quantities.
However I can only foresee GW doing more board game deals like this in the future since most of thier board games recently have been pretty huge sales.
Next week's white dwarf will contains rules and formations for Chaos Knights. The formation contains 3 Knights, and has rules for how specific marks of chaos affect them.
gungo wrote: I presume this board game is a limited run just like every other board game. So just like execution force once sales start to decline they will simple discontinue print runs and sell out the remaining stock. This does not mean it is limited quantities.
However I can only foresee GW doing more board game deals like this in the future since most of thier board games recently have been pretty huge sales.
Overkill is not limited.
Execution Force is not limited.
Betrayal at Calth is not limited.
Lost Patrol does not state it is limited.
Nor does this.
Welcome to the future friend. GW have learned from the mistakes of Kirby.
Well with Calth and Deathwatch they were unique kits to that box. Assassins was a release of new plastic assassins. Lost patrol isn't out yet. I think this will be limited as its just 2 knights and a buidling on a discount, and GW knows that and will try to use this to maximise sales with a "while stocks last" thing.
Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
crimson_caesar wrote: Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
It comes with one full knight paladin and one full knight warden. 4 shoulder mounts only, but 2 battle cannons or melta cannons, 1 gattler, 2 chainswords, and one thunderstrike gauntlet. Just magnetize at the elbow.
gungo wrote: I presume this board game is a limited run just like every other board game. So just like execution force once sales start to decline they will simple discontinue print runs and sell out the remaining stock. This does not mean it is limited quantities.
However I can only foresee GW doing more board game deals like this in the future since most of thier board games recently have been pretty huge sales.
Overkill is not limited.
Execution Force is not limited.
Betrayal at Calth is not limited.
Lost Patrol does not state it is limited.
Nor does this.
Welcome to the future friend. GW have learned from the mistakes of Kirby.
Execution force was pulled back from stores and betrayal of Calth has been stated it was limited since its release by multiple reliable sources who were the same people who rumoured thier release months in advance of thier publicized release. Welcome to the current future friend!
kitch102 wrote: Next week's white dwarf will contains rules and formations for Chaos Knights. The formation contains 3 Knights, and has rules for how specific marks of chaos affect them.
Hm, the dataslate shown previously doesn't state that they can take marks. But I am glad that the rules are going to be in something other than the board game. I mean, I figured they would be, but it's nice to get the confirmation.
crimson_caesar wrote: Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
It comes with one full knight paladin and one full knight warden. 4 shoulder mounts only, but 2 battle cannons or melta cannons, 1 gattler, 2 chainswords, and one thunderstrike gauntlet. Just magnetize at the elbow.
So you can't two gattling cannons? Shoot, that seemed to be one of the best combos.
crimson_caesar wrote: Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
It comes with one full knight paladin and one full knight warden. 4 shoulder mounts only, but 2 battle cannons or melta cannons, 1 gattler, 2 chainswords, and one thunderstrike gauntlet. Just magnetize at the elbow.
So you can't two gattling cannons? Shoot, that seemed to be one of the best combos.
Not from ONE box by the looks of it. Probably for the best.
crimson_caesar wrote: Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
It comes with one full knight paladin and one full knight warden. 4 shoulder mounts only, but 2 battle cannons or melta cannons, 1 gattler, 2 chainswords, and one thunderstrike gauntlet. Just magnetize at the elbow.
So you can't two gattling cannons? Shoot, that seemed to be one of the best combos.
You can by rules, but not by the kit. Kind of like trying to kit out Devastators all with the same weapon when it only comes with two of each.
If you buy two full Warden kits, you can make one with dual Gatlings and one with dual Battle Cannons. But with the box set you can't. Bleh. Still, conversions or bit stores.
They had the Wraithknight and the 'Orkanaut Godbreaker sheets as web freebies that week, didn't they? Or were they in issue 90? I can't find them, now,
Anyone else have these? WD89 was the Godbreaker clash minigame, so 90 would make sense, but can anyone confirm this?
notprop wrote: Is there any indication what transfer sheets this comes with?
I.e. 2 standard ones + Renegade?
I have a feeling that this comes with only the boxed set exclusive transfer sheet, given that it contains both Terryn and Renegade transfers. I would love to be wrong.
They had the Wraithknight and the 'Orkanaut Godbreaker sheets as web freebies that week, didn't they? Or were they in issue 90? I can't find them, now,
Anyone else have these? WD89 was the Godbreaker clash minigame, so 90 would make sense, but can anyone confirm this?
It is sadly not correct, there was only Godbreaker Clash and its datasheets (for Imperial Knight and Stormsurge). The latter were available at the free downloads section of Black Library but were removed during the last weeks.
I hope there will be more - an entire book of sheets and rules for Knight combat would be great
crimson_caesar wrote: Does the kit come with enough guns to kit out the Renegade Knight however you like? Like double battle cannons, double thermal, double gattling? I think it mentioned it has 1 Knight Paladin, and 1 Knight Warden.
It comes with one full knight paladin and one full knight warden. 4 shoulder mounts only, but 2 battle cannons or melta cannons, 1 gattler, 2 chainswords, and one thunderstrike gauntlet. Just magnetize at the elbow.
So you can't two gattling cannons? Shoot, that seemed to be one of the best combos.
You can by rules, but not by the kit. Kind of like trying to kit out Devastators all with the same weapon when it only comes with two of each.
If you buy two full Warden kits, you can make one with dual Gatlings and one with dual Battle Cannons. But with the box set you can't. Bleh. Still, conversions or bit stores.
It's ok! I have a left over hades autocannon from my forge fiend kit. I think it should fit fine!
is sadly not correct, there was only Godbreaker Clash and its datasheets (for Imperial Knight and Stormsurge). The latter were available at the free downloads section of Black Library but were removed during the last weeks.
I think they're still there - I printed a couple of copies out off Black Library's page - over the weekend - I just can't find the damn link to them now as they've taken the direct link down.
angelofvengeance wrote: I've been told by my FLGS this game is a limited release. Once it's gone, it's gone. (apply salt here)
I've learned to wait for GW to announce something as limited release. My FLGS's supplier has a tendency to tell the owner that things are "limited release" just so he will buy more for the shop. Not saying this is the case here, just saying that it does happen.
They are limited, butvonly in the sense of " we made a million, when they are gone they are gone."
I've heard you can expect BaC to last late into the year easily.
gungo wrote: I presume this board game is a limited run just like every other board game. So just like execution force once sales start to decline they will simple discontinue print runs and sell out the remaining stock. This does not mean it is limited quantities.
However I can only foresee GW doing more board game deals like this in the future since most of thier board games recently have been pretty huge sales.
Overkill is not limited.
Execution Force is not limited.
Betrayal at Calth is not limited.
Lost Patrol does not state it is limited.
Nor does this.
Welcome to the future friend. GW have learned from the mistakes of Kirby.
Execution force was pulled back from stores and betrayal of Calth has been stated it was limited since its release by multiple reliable sources who were the same people who rumoured thier release months in advance of thier publicized release. Welcome to the current future friend!
Oh, you mean limited in the fact they are not going to forever sit on store shelves but are still freely available from GW direct and likely also from FLGS' who order in stock.
Limited in the same way that every other product produced in any other hobby or entertainment industry is limited. You know, once it stops selling it'll slowly be phased out. Or maybe you can still pick up a hard copy of Warcraft 2 somewhere. Who knows.
gungo wrote: I presume this board game is a limited run just like every other board game. So just like execution force once sales start to decline they will simple discontinue print runs and sell out the remaining stock. This does not mean it is limited quantities.
However I can only foresee GW doing more board game deals like this in the future since most of thier board games recently have been pretty huge sales.
Overkill is not limited.
Execution Force is not limited.
Betrayal at Calth is not limited.
Lost Patrol does not state it is limited.
Nor does this.
Welcome to the future friend. GW have learned from the mistakes of Kirby.
Execution force was pulled back from stores and betrayal of Calth has been stated it was limited since its release by multiple reliable sources who were the same people who rumoured thier release months in advance of thier publicized release. Welcome to the current future friend!
Oh, you mean limited in the fact they are not going to forever sit on store shelves but are still freely available from GW direct and likely also from FLGS' who order in stock.
Limited in the same way that every other product produced in any other hobby or entertainment industry is limited. You know, once it stops selling it'll slowly be phased out. Or maybe you can still pick up a hard copy of Warcraft 2 somewhere. Who knows.
Y'know, which tends to be the solid indicator of a product being limited release.
Yes it's called common English you should try it. This is NOT limited quantities. This is a limited release.
Which means GW will continue print runs if they feel each run will sell out Just like they do with every board game.
I don't know how you can misunderstand this as it's exactly what I stated before.
Execution force is on direct only as they are no longer producing any more manufacturing runs. It is not selling enough anymore contrary to your prior claim it being a permanant product.
FFIW: an email from GW says it isn't limited release:
GW Response to the Question!
Thank you for your e-mail.
We can indeed confirm that this will be a range item and will be available for the foreseeable future, so fear not! There will be time to add this awesome set to your collection.
While GW isn't that reliable about future products still coupled with other infos and the biggest "limited" advocate being Nafka which is known garbage spouter means I'm willing to put my money on it not being limited so rather than rushbuy it now I'll aim to buy it later when I can afford it more easily.
Hope it's true and isn't limited, because I'm not going to pick it before the end of this year. Or if it's limited, let's hope they do re-runs of it like the Space Marine Stormwing box.
