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Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm baffled by the logic I frequently see that goes something like: "this set of multiple things is a good deal, and at my stores X% discount, it makes it an even better deal vs retail!"

Wouldn't you also get that X% discount on the individual components of the set? That doesn't make it any better of a deal.

If it was direct only, the store discount wouldn't be part of the equation. This is available through retailers.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
This sounds like GW's version of an old classic...

Spoiler:

Do want.

Amusingly that picture is symbolic of the Calth box set as we'll...



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 mikhaila wrote:
Everyone may soon be "that guy with knights"

At least until next edition when they remove super heavies/war machines from the game...

GW always was a love hate relationship for me. Lately its more love than hate, because of those nice deals...

Still hate them for making me invest more money than intended -.-

I'm trying to spend less per month on this hobby, but GW just keeps coming out with these badass deals! I'm going to really have to think about this one before I throw down $200+ after tax. At least this doesn't seem to be a limited-time offer.

if this is true (and for this kind of price!) then I will have no more excuses to not own a knight really.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I'm baffled by the logic I frequently see that goes something like: "this set of multiple things is a good deal, and at my stores X% discount, it makes it an even better deal vs retail!"

Wouldn't you also get that X% discount on the individual components of the set? That doesn't make it any better of a deal.

Because Math

If A is 10 bucks, B is 20 bucks, and C is 30 Bucks, your retailer buys them for 60 bucks minus discount.

If all 3 are 40 bucks from GW, your retailer buys them for 40 bucks minus discount.

A store currently pays GW the same amount for the Warden and the Sanctum that they will for this new box. Cheaper prices from GW on sets means that with an equal discount from your store, the set will be a better deal than the components.

However you look at it, this box is a free knight.

Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.

A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"

They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.

Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.

A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"

They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.

Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.

Seperately, these kits are $160(Knight Warden)+$140(Knight Errant)+$33(terrain)=$333. A 20% discount on that is ~$266. The bundle is $195. 20% of which is ~$156. So comparing $266 to $156 you save $110. Is that the comparison you would prefer people make?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Maybe you aren't as familiar with "math" as you think. Or you likely just missed my point.

A is $50 retail. B is $50 retail. A box with both A and B in it comes out, and is only $80 retail. So person says "What a great deal, because my stores gives me 25% off so it's really only $60!"

They are calling it a great deal because the $60 is so much less than the $100 retail of buying both things separately. But they were never going to pay retail for those two things anyway, since their store would give them the same 25% discount on them. So they should be comparing $60 price of the box set with the $75 price of buying the two things separately. That's what they would actually have paid.

Or the other obvious comparison is to compare the $100 retail of both separately, with the $80 retail of the box. But comparing the discount price of one with the retail of the other to convince yourself it's a great deal makes no sense.

Seperately, these kits are $160(Knight Warden)+$140(Knight Errant)+$33(terrain)=$333. A 20% discount on that is ~$266. The bundle is $195. 20% of which is ~$156. So comparing $266 to $156 you save $110. Is that the comparison you would prefer people make?

Either is fine but comparing 333 to 156 is daft.

This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.

Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.

Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.

Thanks for your response! Still on the fence exactly which ones to build, guess it depends on the rules included, else I will just go CtA for CSm.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
This looks amazing, I wonder what combinations you can build based on the two kits. I hope the rules to make it work for CSM are good because FW rules are quite lacking. Still, excited to get my first two Knights to add to my CSM/Traitor Guard.

Two of paladins or errants, one warden+one gallant/Paladin/errant, one gallant+one Paladin/errant, one crusader+one gallant/Paladin/errant.

Thanks for your response! Still on the fence exactly which ones to build, guess it depends on the rules included, else I will just go CtA for CSm.

Get some magnets and switch builds as you like

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Could I use this to build one knight as a Crusader and the other as a Warden?

No. There's only one Gatling Cannon. You could do a Paladin or Errant instead of the Crusader though. Or you could do a Crusader and Gallant.

Also, I like the appearance of the Gauntlet, but hate its rules. Do you think I would encounter friction if I said it had the chainsword, even though it had the Gauntlet? Especially given that the other knight wouldn't have a CCW?

I wouldn't just straight up take the Gauntlet and proxy it, just because that's kinda weird.

If you attempted to convert a 'chainfist' though...different story.

I converted the chainsaw into a giant chainsword using various bits, then had the gauntlet holding it. This goes on the leader of my knights army as a master crafted weapon.

Ooh, this looks like a great way to get into a knight list for 30k.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ooh, this looks like a great way to get into a knight list for 30k.

As long as you want the terrain or can offload it easily, then it certainly is.

I think it was something like 4 years ago that I swore that if GW ever cut their current prices by half, I would go out and start a new army.

I am now oathsworn to purchase no less than 2 of these when they come out.

I HAVE NO REGRETS.

 Breotan wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ooh, this looks like a great way to get into a knight list for 30k.

As long as you want the terrain or can offload it easily, then it certainly is.

For the asking price I could throw the terrain at passing cars and still come out way ahead haha. That said I really, really like the GW city terrain.

That terrain makes great basing material for the knights.

Hobby Ho!

 Breotan wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
$195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)

Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.

Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(

And I need a LFGS in the area that sells discount GW.

I don't suppose you've got a spare bedroom, eh?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I HAVE NO REGRETS.

That's not spelt correctly...

 Breotan wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
$195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)

Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.

Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(

Or, and this is just a counterpoint idea, you do need more Knights. Hm? HMMMMMM?

deadairis wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
$195 for a new boxed game called "Imperial Knight: Renegade" (1 Imperial Knight, 1 IK Warden and 1 Sanctum Imperialis + rules)

Given that my LFGS sells at a 25% discount, I would pay $146.25 for a whopping 55.7% discount over retail. Basically you get all three items for the price of one Knight.

Too bad I don't really need any more Knights. :(

Or, and this is just a counterpoint idea, you do need more Knights. Hm? HMMMMMM?

I don't actually have any knights.. So technically you're not wrong.

Herzlos wrote:
If this was in Epic scale, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. A 2 model game when the models are that big? Nah; there are going to be better gladiator style games out there.

I'd maybe buy a cheap Knight just to paint/display, but I've got no need for 2 of them. This might land me one from the box splitters though.

Totally with you; Adeptus Titanicus was one of my favorite aspects of the hobby back in the day.
I know the rumors swirl of bringing back Epic in some regard, but I would love to see a re-boot and re-scale.
Not quite to this size though. Yes, it's a great deal for sure, but...
Great way to move some units on their end though.

It appears GW might also do something similar (2 old models, 1 mini-game + discount in a box) with flyers later this year.

#summerofflyersisreal

Thanks for the info, SP

Sad Panda wrote:
It appears GW might also do something similar (2 old models, 1 mini-game + discount in a box) with flyers later this year.

#summerofflyersisreal

Thank god I have all the SM flyers I need. One less temptation to buy more stuff.

Think they missed a trick here, throw in a Chaos sprue with maybe a couple heads/pads/weapons on and people would have gone mental for this.

Wow, they're really trying to put the "games" into Games Workshop lately. Keep it up, Mr Rountree!