Preorder: 18th of March
Release: 25th of March



Update 4 - Rules

zamerion wrote:
Nobody post the rules?


http://www.lavozdehorus.com/reglas-completas-los-codex-adeptus-custodes-hermanas-del-silencio/


Sister are a party against psy.. 27 ums of distance with 3 units of sisters and 3 rhinos..

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
I just watched someone on youtube reviewing the new (thin)codices after unboxing the Talons of the Emperor box.

Rules for Custodians and Sisters of Silence themselves have changed little.
As for Custodians, even those without Storm Shield have basic 5+ invul. Sadly, they still do not have assault grenades.
The Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought has, obviously, the Venerable special rule with stats same of that of Space Marines.
However, just like its infantry brethrens it can Deep Strike.
The Venerable Land Raider is 10 percent more expensive than basic land raider, but has 5+ invul like Custodian Guard.
In addition, it ignores crew shaken & stunned results and BS5. Needless to say, it also has Venerable Special rule.
The unique detachment for Custodians allows you too also take the dreadnought, and has new benefits.
One of them is allowing your deep striking units to roll only a single d6 when they scatter, and re-roll deep strike mishap table.

Sisters of Silence are now divided into 3 separate units depending on equipment.
The unit with greatblades are the cheapest, the bolter unit same as before, and the flamer unit most expensive.
The most notable change, in my opinion, is that the Sisters' Rhino also has Psychic Abomination special rule for only 10 more points.
So basically if you take a unit of sisters and a dedicated Rhino, you have two units onthe battlefield which can nullify psychics.
Null Maiden Task Force has also received new benefits like Custodians'.
The biggest bonus is that you can add 3" to the range of Psychic Abomination for every unit on the battlefield after the first.
This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

Update 3 - Prices

 CragHack wrote:
Box is 95 quid/125 euros.

Separate Custodians are 35 quid/45 euros.

Separate SIsters are 25 quid/32.5 euros.

Update 2 - GW's announcement

 Verviedi wrote:

Here's the official image from Warhammer Community.

Original post
Some new boxed sets - via 4chan and Faiet

Talons of the Emperor (branded Warhammer 40,000)








And single squad boxes





Most likely available to preorder soon

SoS seem to be of Astra Telepathica (sp? hard to read) faction according to their box cover





* Update 1 *

Codex: Adeptus Custodes (found by Modular - gw-fanworld.net)

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/codex-adeptus-custodes.html

Codex: Adeptus Custodes

A Warhammer 40,000 Codex

As part of the Talons of the Emperor, the Adeptus Custodes are the golden claws of the Imperial Eagle, the bringers of Terra’s bellicose vengeance across the galaxy. Their gleaming weapons and pageantry of war incorporate the finest examples of the battle-artificer’s skill. This codex gives you full rules for adding Adeptus Custodes to your Warhammer 40,000 armies.

CONTENTS
– Three datasheets: Custodian Guard Squad, Venerable Dreadnought & Land Raider
– One detachment: Golden Legion Task Force
– Armoury of the Adeptus Custodes and Aegis of the Emperor special rule
– Adeptus Custodes Warlord Traits
– Background for the Adeptus Custodes' return to the galaxy
– A showcase of Adeptus Custodes Citadel Miniatures

DESCRIPTION
The hour of action is nigh. With the surge of Chaos activity across the galaxy and the threat of eternal damnation more real than ever, the Adeptus Custodes have taken their vow of protection to its logical extreme – they will see the destruction of those forces who pose a threat to the sanctity of Terra. Clad in baroque, golden artificer armour and armed with priceless relic weaponry, the Adeptus Custodes make for a magnificent sight. They tower over mortal men; each has the statuesque physique of an ancient hero, close to nine feet in height even without his scarlet-crested helm. On the battlefield they are a force to be reckoned with – with guardian spear and ornate broadsword alike, they cut a swathe through the foe, bringing entire armies of traitors and renegades to their knees with the might of the Emperor himself.

This codex includes the full rules for Adeptus Custodes in games of Warhammer 40,000, including a detachment for adding them to your armies, and rules for mighty Custodes Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders!

Some more pics

Anybody else feeling this is a little lacklustre and shoehorned in, especially when compared to the Talons of the Emperor list Forge World released in Inferno?

At least you can put Custodes and Sisters in transports now.

Interesting, to say the least.

 Imateria wrote:
Anybody else feeling this is a little lacklustre and shoehorned in, especially when compared to the Talons of the Emperor list Forge World released in Inferno?

At least you can put Custodes and Sisters in transports now.

Yup very lacklustre. Not Codex: Legion of the Damned lacklustre, but lacklustre all the same.

With Sisters being Astra Telepathica faction will they get a dataslate-style Codex with the AM/IA units instead?

Warhams-77 wrote:
With Sisters being Astra Telepathica faction will they get a dataslate-style Codex with the AM/IA units instead?

I think that's highly likely. So far we have the Primaris Psyker, Astropath, and Wyrdvane Psykers within Astra Telepathica.

The webshop entry got removed, we should expect pics to disappear soon


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 Imateria wrote:
Anybody else feeling this is a little lacklustre and shoehorned in, especially when compared to the Talons of the Emperor list Forge World released in Inferno?.

If nothing else, maybe we'll find out what the Misericordia rule does.
Kinda sucks that the 40K version of the Custodes get an assault vehicle but the 30K dudes don't.

What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

Master of Mankind implied the grav Land's raider was fairly rare/unique to Arkhan Land

 Crazyterran wrote:
Master of Mankind implied the grav Land's raider was fairly rare/unique to Arkhan Land

That doesn't excuse deciding you're going to write a Custodes book and then taking a couple of 10+-year-old vehicle kits that are already used in seven Codexes (eight, with a minor upgrade frame) and then spraying them gold instead of giving them something new/interesting.

I'm curious to see the prices.

Everyone that's currently selling the Custodes and SoS from the BoP box seems to think they own actual gold.

So this is another book for basically one Squad? Plus a dread and vehicle there are rules for in numerous other sources. Should have been Agents of the Imperium content, not fleecing people on a book to use a unit. Just use the WD article, peeps, this is ridic.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Master of Mankind implied the grav Land's raider was fairly rare/unique to Arkhan Land

That doesn't excuse deciding you're going to write a Custodes book and then taking a couple of 10+-year-old vehicle kits that are already used in seven Codexes (eight, with a minor upgrade frame) and then spraying them gold instead of giving them something new/interesting.

Considering most of the Custodes line will be from FW, its nice that they are giving us a way to use all the plastic we have. Im sure FW will eventually even give some of it to 40k.

You are getting worked up over a fill in release, like the Calth stuff when it got released separately. In fact, its a buff to the Custodes. Assault Transports will do them a world of good.

I don't get the inclusion of the Rhino. Custodes are bulky, so they can't even ride in it. Is it just a mobile cover wall for them?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't get the inclusion of the Rhino. Custodes are bulky, so they can't even ride in it. Is it just a mobile cover wall for them?

The box also includes Sisters of Silence.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't get the inclusion of the Rhino. Custodes are bulky, so they can't even ride in it. Is it just a mobile cover wall for them?

The box also includes Sisters of Silence.

I did not see that. Well, alright then. I could only see the one (two if you count the dude with the Spear in the bottom right). Finally, Sisters of Silence get a dedicated transport.

Looks like I will be needing a bottle of gold spray paint (I need it for Roboute anyway, but you get the idea).

If you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the thread then there's really no need to post.

Thanks.

DId anyone else noticed that Custodes are removed from the official page?

Weird... like they were not supposed to be revealed just yet but someone mess things up.

 Captain Azrael wrote:
DId anyone else noticed that Custodes are removed from the official page?

Weird... like they were not supposed to be revealed just yet but someone mess things up.

There was probably anot automatic update that was supposed to go through when the Custodes were going to go up for pre-order, but someone made a mistake on the date it should go up. They realized it and took it down.

Here's the official image from Warhammer Community.

Wonder if I'll be able to use my Super Spanky Custodes Dread in 40k?

Ah, there we go, that is why I didn't see that the box included the Sisters, they are painted the bright gold not the bronze they had been depicted in otherwise.

I suppose the draw to this box is the included rulebooks, because there isn't much else added. Price will dictate if I get it or not. If it is $150 USD or less, count me in.

I take it all back. If the box includes the Codex-pamphlet, that ain't so bad!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if I'll be able to use my Super Spanky Custodes Dread in 40k?

That will probably be up to Forgeworld. Hopefully they make 40K rules for all that stuff with swapping rules.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:
I take it all back. If the box includes the Codex-pamphlet, that ain't so bad!

Sure looks like it does. Which drastically changes my outlook on the boxed set.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ah, there we go, that is why I didn't see that the box included the Sisters, they are painted the bright gold not the bronze they had been depicted in otherwise.

I suppose the draw to this box is the included rulebooks, because there isn't much else added. Price will dictate if I get it or not. If it is $150 USD or less, count me in.

It's probably going to be around $150-$170. Most of their "bigger" bundle boxes have been in that general price range.

Land Raider for $74.25
Rhino for $37.25
Contemptor for $60

You're at $171.50 for just the known portions of the box so far.

I'm going to guess $60 for the Custodes and $35 for the Sisters of Silence.

Have a little more faith in new GW. They have been nailing it with the box deals

That's... unfortunate. I wish they'd keep 30k out of my 40k, as I feel the latter's lore is vastly superior.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Ah, there we go, that is why I didn't see that the box included the Sisters, they are painted the bright gold not the bronze they had been depicted in otherwise.

I suppose the draw to this box is the included rulebooks, because there isn't much else added. Price will dictate if I get it or not. If it is $150 USD or less, count me in.

It's probably going to be around $150-$170. Most of their "bigger" bundle boxes have been in that general price range.

Land Raider for $74.25
Rhino for $37.25
Contemptor for $60

You're at $171.50 for just the known portions of the box so far.

I'm going to guess $60 for the Custodes and $35 for the Sisters of Silence.

even at $170 it would be a bit of a steal with all the included stuff. I will have to wait and see.

 Melissia wrote:
That's... unfortunate. I wish they'd keep 30k out of my 40k, as I feel the latter's lore is vastly superior.

Well there's clearly demand for Custodes in either setting, so it's worth GW's time and resources.

Given how much it comes up, there's also clearly substantial demand for female Space Marines, but I don't see GW making them any time soon (and I don't see a problem with this).

The part of this I like the most... they aren't done with the gathering storm releases yet. That still leaves room for a Chaos triumvirate, or any other releases in the next few months.

Have any other recent releases had this type of box art?

The Kauyon box sets were similar, if I recall correctly.

Better buy 10-20 of these sets, break them apart and scalp the hell out of them on the tubes.

 Verviedi wrote:
The Kauyon box sets were similar, if I recall correctly.

Shadow Force Solaq and Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn weren't.

They were closer to what we had with the Stormclaw, Deathstorm, and Death Masque sets...just split into two for whatever reason. And Shadow Force Solaq was an awful value because of the inclusion of Vanguard and Sternguard.

Yes, you are right. Could have sworn they had similar art. Me being blind? I did glance at the boxes to make sure...

Looks like it includes an art print, assembly guide, Codex Custodes and Codex Sisters.

If the redeemer/crusader sprue is also included, I might be tempted...

 Crazyterran wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Master of Mankind implied the grav Land's raider was fairly rare/unique to Arkhan Land

That doesn't excuse deciding you're going to write a Custodes book and then taking a couple of 10+-year-old vehicle kits that are already used in seven Codexes (eight, with a minor upgrade frame) and then spraying them gold instead of giving them something new/interesting.

Considering most of the Custodes line will be from FW, its nice that they are giving us a way to use all the plastic we have. Im sure FW will eventually even give some of it to 40k.

You are getting worked up over a fill in release, like the Calth stuff when it got released separately. In fact, its a buff to the Custodes. Assault Transports will do them a world of good.

I'm getting annoyed that after an endless parade of opportunities to give us new vehicles we're still stuck with the exact same Land Raider kit we've had for as long as time.

The game was in its 3rd edition when that kit came out. It is time for an update.

It would be nice if GW included some ornate bits you could put on the Rhino and the Land Raider. Even something for the BaC Contemptor would be nice, this release kinda feels cheap to me.

Hopefully the two codecii included in the box won't be throw away nonsense items after all the Gathering Storm is over.

I know GW wants to release 30+ boxes a year or whatever they seem to be doing now. If you just want to expand your Heresy forces, this release is a poor value compared to Burning at Prospero.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

I'm getting annoyed that after an endless parade of opportunities to give us new vehicles we're still stuck with the exact same Land Raider kit we've had for as long as time.

and it barely fits together!

They probably won't but please, please turn Custodes or SOS into troops. I just want to be able to field a CAD.

Hm, color me interested in the solo Sisters box if they release those lovely little rules pamphlets for a reasonable amount. I'm not game for dropping $50 on a codex for models I think are interesting but would not really fit in with my army.

As for the big box, meh? It looks ok for people who are super into IoM or are just getting started

Audustum wrote:
They probably won't but please, please turn Custodes or SOS into troops. I just want to be able to field a CAD.

They are in the 30k Talons of the Emperor list. They probably will be, but you'll need the $40 Tribune blister and the $30 Oblivion Knight blister to come out first so you get an HQ choice.

I'm getting real fething tired of GW aping their own ideas from Forge World.

I dont want two gullimans, i dont want two sets of SoS and Custodes. Holy gak, imagine if this effort was spent on updating aging lines instead.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm getting real fething tired of GW aping their own ideas from Forge World.

I dont want two gullimans, i dont want two sets of SoS and Custodes. Holy gak, imagine if this effort was spent on updating aging lines instead.

...you do know all these models already exist right? Like they didn't make a bunch of new stuff for this box set. Oh, and technically Custodes and Sisters released from GW prime first so it's forgeworld aping GWs ideas.

This makes me cranky, only because the release calendar is filling up, and my AoS Duardin seem further and further away. :-p

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Audustum wrote:
They probably won't but please, please turn Custodes or SOS into troops. I just want to be able to field a CAD.

They are in the 30k Talons of the Emperor list. They probably will be, but you'll need the $40 Tribune blister and the $30 Oblivion Knight blister to come out first so you get an HQ choice.

Oh, I thought someone on page 1 said they were getting HQ's in this.

That said, we have a work around. I believe Celestine, Cawl and Greyfax can all be used as HQ's for any IoM CAD. Celestine with honor guard should fix that.

You have given me hope.

ERJAK wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm getting real fething tired of GW aping their own ideas from Forge World.

I dont want two gullimans, i dont want two sets of SoS and Custodes. Holy gak, imagine if this effort was spent on updating aging lines instead.

...you do know all these models already exist right? Like they didn't make a bunch of new stuff for this box set. Oh, and technically Custodes and Sisters released from GW prime first so it's forgeworld aping GWs ideas.

fully aware, yes.

I wonder, how much for 5 Custodians. Considering, GW asks 45 euros for 5 Terminators...And FW pricing is +-30 quid in their bundles.

I have a feeling that this box is going to be the only way to get a printed copy of Codex: Adeptus Custodes.

Hmmm... I didn't really want to buy another Land Raider, but I suppose I can make room.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

There is nothing new to this release. The custodes and sisters kits are just seeing separate releases from Prospero. There isn't a new hardback codex for $50 like Knights, but a small booklet version of the dataslates available online, with the contemptor and some art added.

The main disappointment is why didn't they do this earlier, and just slot them in the Imperial Agents book?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

There is nothing new to this release. The custodes and sisters kits are just seeing separate releases from Prospero. There isn't a new hardback codex for $50 like Knights, but a small booklet version of the dataslates available online, with the contemptor and some art added.

The main disappointment is why didn't they do this earlier, and just slot them in the Imperial Agents book?

Given the disappointing nature of the IA book and how... old it felt, I think there's a very good chance it was finished quite a long time ago and it was too late to slot in the Custodes and Sisters.

Feels odd to have codex's based on just one unit, but then that is pretty much what the knight and deathwatch codexs are.

The bigger question is who will shell out for a book less than 3 months before a new edition is due out - especially with all the talk of a radical change that would invalidate the books.

 Mymearan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

There is nothing new to this release. The custodes and sisters kits are just seeing separate releases from Prospero. There isn't a new hardback codex for $50 like Knights, but a small booklet version of the dataslates available online, with the contemptor and some art added.

The main disappointment is why didn't they do this earlier, and just slot them in the Imperial Agents book?

Given the disappointing nature of the IA book and how... old it felt, I think there's a very good chance it was finished quite a long time ago and it was too late to slot in the Custodes and Sisters.

Makes sense. The Stronghold assault book had the same problem in that it left out the haemoreactors (which were designed to benefit several other fortifications).

 axisofentropy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

I'm getting annoyed that after an endless parade of opportunities to give us new vehicles we're still stuck with the exact same Land Raider kit we've had for as long as time.

and it barely fits together!

The LR and the BaC Contemptor are IMO two of the worst plastic kits in the SM range. The fact that I really like there overall look makes it even worse Still if the price is right I may be tempted on this box, especially if the Talons get LR and Rhino's when there 30k red book gets released.

 Tamereth wrote:
Feels odd to have codex's based on just one unit, but then that is pretty much what the knight and deathwatch codexs are.

The bigger question is who will shell out for a book less than 3 months before a new edition is due out - especially with all the talk of a radical change that would invalidate the books.

Looks like it's not a full codex book and more of a pamphlet included with the boxed set. This is a good thing.

Zero interest in Sisters of Silence, so not buying the Talons box... and they can keep that horrible static Contemptor too (make mine Forgeworld, please).

On the other hand, excited about the separate box-o-Custodes. They are such ridiculous models... and I abso-bloody-lutely must have them and build them.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Zero interest in Sisters of Silence, so not buying the Talons box... and they can keep that horrible static Contemptor too (make mine Forgeworld, please).

On the other hand, excited about the separate box-o-Custodes. They are such ridiculous models... and I abso-bloody-lutely must have them and build them.

They will probably be priced at $60 a box, so just get used to paying $40+ per set off EBay.

A couple days ago I started a thread in the 40k General discussion on what Custodes would need to be useable as a stand-alone army. A dreadnought and a Land Raider were on the list, so this makes me happy.

The only things missing from this boxed set that I'd like to see is a Custodes HQ, and some kind of ranged unit or fast attack unit. I guess we can always hope that Forgeworld makes 40k rules for some of its skimmers or jetbikes.


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I wonder if they will include an armory for the Custodes or have a couple new formations or Warlord traits. Also, I wonder if they will still limit Custodes to only three units of infantry. I'd much prefer running 5 units of 6 guys rather than 3 units of 10.

Is that the codex? A few pages, almost as if it's a pamphlet? Is this the new way of making codices perhaps? This is the paper version, and we can download the datascrolls off GW site like AoS? Guess time will tell.

Don't draw a pattern from one release!

I was looking at the pictures of the rhino / land raider thinking that they look just a bit WRONG painted in the gold scheme. Then I realised it's the large flat panels that just don't fit, especially in comparison to the custodies themselves. Some forge world door kits would go a long way to help these blend together as an army. Maybe some bits from the Warhammer world only kit?

I'm thinking the Imperial Eagle rear door, and the Emperor's Children Legion Doors would work.

Given the massive amount of FW custodes content I can't put into words how comically underwhelming this box looks for 40K.

Ministomp on twitter who is a retailer who often gets prices early is saying the box set is $165 US. That is pretty good price. The landraider, rhino and dread cost $170 individually.

I think shoehorning the Rhino, Land Raider and the crappy contemptor into this release didn't really work.

I felt they could have made up some fluff about the Imperial Fists guarding Terra, how a select few were chosen (perhaps from beyond the chapter out of Black Templars, Crimson Fists etc) to don ancient armour to defend the ground of holy Terra itself, and occasionally beyond to bolster the forces of the Custodes.

Chikout wrote:
Ministomp on twitter who is a retailer who often gets prices early is saying the box set is $165 US. That is pretty good price. The landraider, rhino and dread cost $170 individually.

Yeah if you assume land raiders or dreadnoughts are worth anywhere near retail (which they aren't). They've been on the market for a very very long time and are underwhelming in the game for 3-4 editions. Secondary market destroys their relative "worth" due to massive supply.

At best this box's worth is equal to the Custodes/Sisters and maybe not even in that given the lack of options + support the Custodes have in 40k.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think shoehorning the Rhino, Land Raider and the crappy contemptor into this release didn't really work.

I felt they could have made up some fluff about the Imperial Fists guarding Terra, how a select few were chosen (perhaps from beyond the chapter out of Black Templars, Crimson Fists etc) to don ancient armour to defend the ground of holy Terra itself, and occasionally beyond to bolster the forces of the Custodes.

Blech...rather have the rhino and contemptor. The cataphractii captain is so good every space marine player shoukd already have 2 and the cataphractii terminators are so bad that plenty of them are still on sprue from when people bought the first print of calth.


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 Kirasu wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Ministomp on twitter who is a retailer who often gets prices early is saying the box set is $165 US. That is pretty good price. The landraider, rhino and dread cost $170 individually.

Yeah if you assume land raiders or dreadnoughts are worth anywhere near retail (which they aren't). They've been on the market for a very very long time and are underwhelming in the game for 3-4 editions. Secondary market destroys their relative "worth" due to massive supply.

At best this box's worth is equal to the Custodes/Sisters and maybe not even in that given the lack of options + support the Custodes have in 40k.

The contemptors solid, rhinos are consistently good, SoS are awesome, Custodes are neat and good enough for semi-competitive games, and land raiders make sense with custodes. Sorry they didn't come out with brand new plastics for this one discounted box set.

Hell yeah, if the price is right it's mine. Holding on getting a much-needed land Raider and Rhino for this box.

OMG FINALLY SISTERS OF...

silence...

uggggggggggggggggggggg


*fades back into lurk mode*

I'm hoping the Custodes will have access to the LR Crusader.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Master of Mankind implied the grav Land's raider was fairly rare/unique to Arkhan Land

That doesn't excuse deciding you're going to write a Custodes book and then taking a couple of 10+-year-old vehicle kits that are already used in seven Codexes (eight, with a minor upgrade frame) and then spraying them gold instead of giving them something new/interesting.

I expect GW are half-assing this aspect of the release because they know FW can step up with 40K rules for their Custodes grav vehicles. Still, it would have been nice to see them chuck an extra sprue into the Rhino kit to make an Emperor's Gift grav-Rhino or something. Note: I'm not complaining they have access to the generic LR and Rhino, I think that's great, these supposedly-STC-so-almost-everyone-uses-them vehicle patterns should be available to most Imperial armies.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That's... unfortunate. I wish they'd keep 30k out of my 40k, as I feel the latter's lore is vastly superior.

Well there's clearly demand for Custodes in either setting, so it's worth GW's time and resources.

There was sufficient demand for Dominos to sell pizzas with Cadbury's Chocolate Buttons as a topping(as in, on top of a regular cheese/tomato sauce pizza), that doesn't make chocolate pizzas a good idea. Remember pollsters have long known you can get ~5% of any given sample to agree with almost anything

They'd compliment Guilliman well.

The transports and dreadnought look pretty modest. I would have expected something more ornate.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm hoping the Custodes will have access to the LR Crusader.

I began wondering about this myself. On one hand I REALLY would prefer the ability of the Crusader to care 8 guys in it instead of the standard Raider's 5. The added boost to anti-horde duty is nice too. On the other hand, Custodes have almost NO anti vehicle weaponry. A Standard Raider with a Multi-melta and HK missile could be needed, regardless of the transport capacity, simply to deal with heavier vehicles. Anything over 12 and Custodes are hosed (barring some kind of warlord trait or special Wargear).

Also, do you think Custodes will be limited to just Multimelta and Assault cannon on the Contemptor? Currently the rules in Angels of death limit them to just those. I'd prefer to see more weapons options. A multimelta could work, if the dreadnought would be given deepstrike to fit in with the other Custodes.

Keeping my fingers crossed that FW makes some of its stuff 40k Custodes compatible.

I am more excited about the five-model boxes than I am that set. Still though, cool.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Also, do you think Custodes will be limited to just Multimelta and Assault cannon on the Contemptor? Currently the rules in Angels of death limit them to just those. I'd prefer to see more weapons options. A multimelta could work, if the dreadnought would be given deepstrike to fit in with the other Custodes.

Codex: Pamphletstodes will contain rules for exactly what is on the sprues in the box, just as GS Cult inexplicably only allows half the Leman Russ variants based on what sprues were packed in the kit. No reason you couldn't house rule based on SM codex points, but this is my guess.

Im expecting the Land Raiders to cost 25pts more, because Venerable Land Raiders.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Im expecting the Land Raiders to cost 25pts more, because Venerable Land Raiders.

yeah, definitely think Land Raiders will A LEAST be ballistic skill 5, if not have the Venerable rule from the venerable Dreadnought.

Box is 95 quid/125 euros.

Separate Custodians are 35 quid/45 euros.

Separate SIsters are 25 quid/32.5 euros.

Thanks, Crag! Preorder next Saturday confirmed?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks, Crag! Preorder next Saturday confirmed?

Yes, next Saturday.

Cheers, thank you

I was wondering, for Age of Sigmar they have done a couple "upgrade packs" for Stormcast Eternals. If they are intent on making Custodes a stand-alone faction, possibly with a codex later on, a single upgrade spru in a blister pack would help out immensely. All we'd need is some character parts and a wargear/weapon option or two and we'd be set.

A single blister-pack sized spru could contain a different style helmet, a couple new shoulder pads, a new funky sword, a rifle arm, and some other weapon (lightning claw?). It would make doing characters a possibility.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

Fifteen year old.

But it is painted gold.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I was wondering, for Age of Sigmar they have done a couple "upgrade packs" for Stormcast Eternals. If they are intent on making Custodes a stand-alone faction, possibly with a codex later on, a single upgrade spru in a blister pack would help out immensely. All we'd need is some character parts and a wargear/weapon option or two and we'd be set.

A single blister-pack sized spru could contain a different style helmet, a couple new shoulder pads, a new funky sword, a rifle arm, and some other weapon (lightning claw?). It would make doing characters a possibility.

I agree- something emphasized with the Custodians is that they are all individuals, and ever suit of armor os supposed to be unique in its artwork to reflect that.

A blister pack brimming with shoulder pads and helmets would help a ton.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

Fifteen year old.

But it is painted gold.

I wonder how well the new sky dwarf ironclad would convert out into a grav-raider...

Any idea how much the box will cost in CAD?

Edit: Like Betrayal at Calth or Prospero in CAN$ (I guess based on UK and EUR price)

The pre-orders are up on the NZ website. They are not cheap. Sisters of Silence are really damned expensive for 5 tiny models.

The Land Raider is considered the finest land-borne transport in the Adeptus Terra, and those of the Custodian Guard are the most venerated of all. The tank’s adamantium hide, massively thick and layered with ceramite reinforcement, has such incredible resilience that it can drive through a barrage of artillery fire without slowing. When the metal-toothed jaws at the front yawn wide, the Custodian Guard within charge out to smash the enemy lines into disarray.

The Venerable Land Raider is armed with twin-linked lascannon sponsons, which can be modelled to the front or rear of the vehicle, and features a twin-linked heavy bolter. All of these weapons can be either glued into place or slotted in enabling them to be rotated towards their intended targets during your games.

No no Crusader/Redeemer parts there.

Description
Crunching the corpses of the Emperor’s foes under its tracks as it grinds to the front line, the Rhino is far more than a simple personnel carrier. Those vehicles driven to war by the Silent Sisterhood have served faithfully in Terra’s defence for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The machine spirits of these tanks are as dauntless as any in the Imperium’s service, rarely resting in their pursuit of the Sisterhood’s psychic prey.

This boxed set contains 1 multi-part plastic Null-Maiden Rhino. Also included are options to include smoke launchers, a pintle-mounted storm bolter, missile launcher, radar dish and a variety of top hatches that can be modelled as either open or closed, as well as the option to include a Space Marine Techmarine in one of the hatches. The rear door of the vehicle can either be glued shut or left open to show off the interior detail of the kit such as the deck plating and communications display that includes a stowed boltgun.

The combined box is just under 40% off for Kiwi's.

Anyone know what price bracket the Custodes translate to in GBP?

Take whatever's there and halve it.

this paintjob makes the sisters look terrible

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Take whatever's there and halve it.

That'd be £60 which I find unlikely even by GW standards.

The 5 woman squads are priced the same as a marine assault squad (83nzd), so probably 25 sterling.

Comparing like for like..

Talons set, around £97.50
Custodes squad, £70
Sisters squad, £50
Custodes / dreadnought, £35

changemod wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Take whatever's there and halve it.

That'd be £60 which I find unlikely even by GW standards.

Comparison to another model with the same price gives £35 for Custodes, which is actually cheaper than I dared think. If anything their ebay resale value might actually -drop- now.

So UK price on the box is saving of £30 for the models, without the POS Dread. Ah what the hell might as well

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So UK price on the box is saving of £30 for the models, without the POS Dread. Ah what the hell might as well

If you have a small saw or are very persistent and careful with a hobby knife, you can split the waist from the body and the legs from the waist and repose the lower body, putting the legs on a scenic base so it still stands firm. Arms have a ball joint for posing, then add a few spare parts to up the detail slightly and drill the exhaust vents.

It's an annoying amount of work, but you can definitely repair it's static snapfit pose.

Could do, but I'm more inclined to take the "saving" and order the much superior FW Marine Contemptor body and use the plastic arms with it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't get the inclusion of the Rhino. Custodes are bulky, so they can't even ride in it. Is it just a mobile cover wall for them?

Same as the old days, but in a nutshell, from what I heard today- Yes. Rhino wall of Sisters fame... Square up the rhinos, they end up being portable bunker fodder, and you use them as portable terrain. I told the guy that it was !@#$ cheese, and that we had already been through it before. He shrugged and pointed to the knights.

After I bought the Custodian Guard Squad in Burning of Prospero set, I mixed the squad weapons so that two members have sentinel blade & storm shield and the rest with halberds. However, I'm afraid the official description for Custodian Guard suggests that a single unit cannot mix their weapons, i.e. take either sentinel blade & storm shield or halberds.

"The kit can be used to build 1 of 2 different squads: one armed with guardian spears, the other armed with sentinel blades and storm shields."
(https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Custodian-Guard-Squad-2017)

"Venerable" Land Raider? What makes it venerable? The sprue is the regular Annihilator sprue. Decals, maybe?

So... uh... anyone know any place that sells totally not bob-cut female heads?

I have... things... that I'd consider doing with the Sisters of Silence models...

Sigmarines in 40k. That's too much for me.
I'll skip these units.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Sigmarines in 40k. That's too much for me.
I'll skip these units.

...you are aware that adeptus custodes were a thing before AoS was a thing, right?

Some people just need to bring it up ad-nauseum, or think they're the first to do so...

Boxed set is a steal if you're into it though, Land Raider, Rhino and books for free. Pity that the individual squads are too damned expensive.

 Blitza da warboy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Sigmarines in 40k. That's too much for me.
I'll skip these units.

...you are aware that adeptus custodes were a thing before AoS was a thing, right?

Right.
But the gold color and their ''behavior'' reminds me too much on Sigmarines.

 Blitza da warboy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Sigmarines in 40k. That's too much for me.
I'll skip these units.

...you are aware that adeptus custodes were a thing before AoS was a thing, right?

Yeah I just don't understand that criticism. Custodes have been part of 40K for ages. They're not new by any stretch.


Anyway, ordered my box. that gives me a solid 20 of each to make units from (I'm thinking 6x2 Spears, 6x1 Sword/Shield, 1 Banner Bearer & 1 Hero), and I can combine the Land Raider, Rhino and spare Razorback I have to make Inquisitorial Raider/R'Backs using the Psycannon turrets I have + icons from the DW sprues.

Seriously guys I am still just fething floored that there is a plastic box of Sisters of Silence before a plastic box of Sisters of Battle. I thought Kirby's reign of terror was over. Even he never did anything this coldly malicious.

Manchu wrote:
Seriously guys I am still just fething floored that there is a plastic box of Sisters of Silence before a plastic box of Sisters of Battle. I thought Kirby's reign of terror was over. Even he never did anything this coldly malicious.

[Insert Praetorian rant here]

This is my thing now.

I ordered the Talons box. 40 custodes, and 10 sisters.

Didnt really need a fifth plastic Contemptor, but the Land Raider and Rhino being essentially free is pretty good.

Thinking of making a 5 man flamer squad and a 5 man greatblade squad for the Sisters. Was tempted to make a 10 man flamer squad, since 10 flamers coming out of a Rhino amuses me... but seems like it would be a giant bullet magnet.

20/10 spear/shields, with the other ten being For Hetaeron Guard, Tank Tribune, the Vexilias... do i wait for the upgrade kit or convert from extra Tartaros fists for my Solarites?

It's a pity they keep shoving the plastic Contemptor into things, such a limited kit.

With the jewelers saw and some careful cutting, you can make some Kheres mortis contemptors. The stance doesnt look that bad if its supposed to be a stationary gun platform.

However the double fist contemptors... well, at least Cortuses dont last long, right? :p

Nobody post the rules?





http://www.lavozdehorus.com/reglas-completas-los-codex-adeptus-custodes-hermanas-del-silencio/


Sister are a party against psy.. 27 ums of distance with 3 units of sisters and 3 rhinos..

I just watched someone on youtube reviewing the new (thin)codices after unboxing the Talons of the Emperor box.

Rules for Custodians and Sisters of Silence themselves have changed little.
As for Custodians, even those without Storm Shield have basic 5+ invul. Sadly, they still do not have assault grenades.
The Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought has, obviously, the Venerable special rule with stats same of that of Space Marines.
However, just like its infantry brethrens it can Deep Strike.
The Venerable Land Raider is 10 percent more expensive than basic land raider, but has 5+ invul like Custodian Guard.
In addition, it ignores crew shaken & stunned results and BS5. Needless to say, it also has Venerable Special rule.
The unique detachment for Custodians allows you too also take the dreadnought, and has new benefits.
One of them is allowing your deep striking units to roll only a single d6 when they scatter, and re-roll deep strike mishap table.

Sisters of Silence are now divided into 3 separate units depending on equipment.
The unit with greatblades are the cheapest, the bolter unit same as before, and the flamer unit most expensive.
The most notable change, in my opinion, is that the Sisters' Rhino also has Psychic Abomination special rule for only 10 more points.
So basically if you take a unit of sisters and a dedicated Rhino, you have two units onthe battlefield which can nullify psychics.
Null Maiden Task Force has also received new benefits like Custodians'.
The biggest bonus is that you can add 3" to the range of Psychic Abomination for every unit on the battlefield after the first.
This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

Thanks!

explain why the greatswords are the cheaper option?

Damn
Any way to get those land raiders without X Unit "Tax"? (I.E able to take the Land raiders themselves without going unbound)

Are Custodes now Troops? Looked like it in the video. Does that mean they can be in a CAD with a Triumvirate HQ?

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

You're a hero for not just dumping a link to a random website, though!

 axisofentropy wrote:
Are Custodes now Troops? Looked like it in the video. Does that mean they can be in a CAD with a Triumvirate HQ?

I am hoping so with so much fiber in my being I don't know if I can do anything else.

Addendum: Check the screenshot in the link. They're TROOPS!

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
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This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

Would it work that way with the Rhinos? The way I am reading that detachment, the only units that would qualify towards the extension of the anti-psy would be the three SoS squads since three Elite slots are all that are called for by the detachment. Would dedicated transports be a part of extending that range? I'm not so sure, even if I would very much want t to be the case.

Please don't tell me that this mini-codex is limited to units and weapons options only in that box. Please tell me Custodes have access to the Land Raider Crusader.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Please don't tell me that this mini-codex is limited to units and weapons options only in that box. Please tell me Custodes have access to the Land Raider Crusader.

Given the page has been posted and you can see they are limited... ;-)

Oooohhh psychic abonimation rhinos for only 45pts!? Yes please! This actually solves the SoS delivery problem quite well.

110pts for a greatsword squad with a rhino that can shut down whole parts of the board is amazing!

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Please don't tell me that this mini-codex is limited to units and weapons options only in that box. Please tell me Custodes have access to the Land Raider Crusader.

Given the page has been posted and you can see they are limited... ;-)

BRAVO GW!

The rerollable invuln save is dirty

Crusaders and redemptory are relatively new land raider configs, why would they be venerable? To be fair though, the Mk.III land raider shouldn't be venerable either though. The custodes should be rocking mk.I's or mk.II's (in my opinion).


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For some reason, I thought they were getting relics as well. Oh well.

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
After I bought the Custodian Guard Squad in Burning of Prospero set, I mixed the squad weapons so that two members have sentinel blade & storm shield and the rest with halberds. However, I'm afraid the official description for Custodian Guard suggests that a single unit cannot mix their weapons, i.e. take either sentinel blade & storm shield or halberds.

"The kit can be used to build 1 of 2 different squads: one armed with guardian spears, the other armed with sentinel blades and storm shields."
(https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Custodian-Guard-Squad-2017)

If you think that's bad, I assembled some of my guys with just the sword for the extra attack.

The printed rules from the previous page say you can mix and match in the squads for custodes

Sorry, couldn't quite make that out. I was initially looking at that on a 4-inch wide screen. Got a little pixelated when I zoomed in.


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On a side note, I am a bit bummed the Land Raider doesn't have an option for a pintel mounted multimelta. That would have made it a pretty good tank hunter for these guys, and they need it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What the *bleep*, GW? You could have given us plastic jetbikes or plastic grav-tanks, but instead we get a ten-year-old Land Raider kit painted gold?

It isn't even a flying Land Raider.

Fifteen year old.

But it is painted gold.

Actually its almost 17 years, the current kit was released in May 2000!

ShaneMarsh wrote:


Would it work that way with the Rhinos? The way I am reading that detachment, the only units that would qualify towards the extension of the anti-psy would be the three SoS squads since three Elite slots are all that are called for by the detachment. Would dedicated transports be a part of extending that range? I'm not so sure, even if I would very much want t to be the case.

Of course! Dedicated transports are still very much a 'unit from this formation on the battlefield', even if they don't take up a slot. The rhinos even have the psychic abomination rule themselves. So you're looking at a 12" null zone from the rhino while the sisters are inside, and when they jump out a 15" null zone from both them and the rhino. That's an enormous psychic shutdown area for only 120pts!

I wish there was a Custodes HQ you could take. I know you could potentially use Cawl, Celestine, Greyfax, or that GK guy, but it's just not the same. Here's to hoping there's a rules update with a proper codex in the near future, FW let's us use their Tribune rules, there's a White Dwarf update/add-on, or an HQ Custodes in the next Imperial Triumvirate.

ShaneMarsh wrote:

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
]
This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

Would it work that way with the Rhinos? The way I am reading that detachment, the only units that would qualify towards the extension of the anti-psy would be the three SoS squads since three Elite slots are all that are called for by the detachment. Would dedicated transports be a part of extending that range? I'm not so sure, even if I would very much want t to be the case.

The rule very clearly says "For each unit on the battlefield after the first from this detachment"

Dedicated Transports are treated as separate units for kill points, blessings, and all other rules purposes. The caveat is that since the FAQ, units are not considered to be on the battlefield if they're in their transport. So if you had 3 units of sisters IN rhinos, you would count as having 3 units on the battlefield for 18" Abomination range.

However, if you deployed them all out of their transport, you'd count as having 6 units from the detachment on the battlefield for +15" range, a total of 27".

Well, I guess this is cannon now:

*The knowledge needed to create and maintain their more exotic transports from the age of the Horus Heresy having been long since forgotten or locked away.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/18/talons-out/

No grav-tanks for the 41st Millenium Custodes. Ever.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Well, I guess this is cannon now:

*The knowledge needed to create and maintain their more exotic transports from the age of the Horus Heresy having been long since forgotten or locked away.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/18/talons-out/

No grav-tanks for the 41st Millenium Custodes. Ever.

Well, it says "locked away". They might decide one day to "unlock" it. May be never may be next year, who knows.

Back in 5th edition I made a land raider for my sisters of battle (they could take them back then, but theirs was the only land raider iteration that was not an assault vehicle) and lovingly wrapped up every one of its flat surfaces with carved up pieces of the Sanctorum Imperialis terrain kit. Turned it into a big mobile church.

It was also, unfortunately, the first land raider model I had ever built, and I was unaware of some of the... interesting nuances of the land raider kit. Long story short, while I was trying to push the two sides together I slipped and ended up driving those lovely pointy steeples into my arm.

That model is sanctified by blood.

Guilliman's going to unlock it in time for 40K 8th !

You can bet your arse its gonna be unlocked. Cawl is gonna out donopra and give EVERBODY grav raiders.

Love the Sisters rules. My poor Culexus Assassin has been shelved since he lost his Drop Pod, and now I fear he may never see a table aside from pre planned Magnus fights.

But, im not a fan of the bare heads and top knots. Definitely gotta look into a head swap.

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:

The most notable change, in my opinion, is that the Sisters' Rhino also has Psychic Abomination special rule for only 10 more points.
So basically if you take a unit of sisters and a dedicated Rhino, you have two units onthe battlefield which can nullify psychics.
Null Maiden Task Force has also received new benefits like Custodians'.
The biggest bonus is that you can add 3" to the range of Psychic Abomination for every unit on the battlefield after the first.
This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

As a Thousand Sons player who has never encountered this before - what is Psychic Abomination do and how screwed am I?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Well, I guess this is cannon now:

*The knowledge needed to create and maintain their more exotic transports from the age of the Horus Heresy having been long since forgotten or locked away.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/18/talons-out/

No grav-tanks for the 41st Millenium Custodes. Ever.

Locks can be broken, or unlocked. Prior to The Beast Arises it was assumed the sisters of silence were all dead or lost during the siege of terra.......

Either way I'm glad to see both forces getting a slightly more official entry into 40k, though I find it odd that between 30k and 40k the Custodes lost the ability to hold a weapon and a standard (30k they can go sword/standard) , 40k standard and shield).

It's better to have a shield and standard. The only difference is a 3+ invulnerable or a small shooting attack. For everything the standard does I'd want to protect it as much as I can.

Seems like the Sentinel Blade blows has nothing against the Guardian Spear. I'd take the Spear any given day

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Well, I guess this is cannon now:

*The knowledge needed to create and maintain their more exotic transports from the age of the Horus Heresy having been long since forgotten or locked away.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/18/talons-out/

No grav-tanks for the 41st Millenium Custodes. Ever.

Never say never.

Daedalus81 wrote:

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:

The most notable change, in my opinion, is that the Sisters' Rhino also has Psychic Abomination special rule for only 10 more points.
So basically if you take a unit of sisters and a dedicated Rhino, you have two units onthe battlefield which can nullify psychics.
Null Maiden Task Force has also received new benefits like Custodians'.
The biggest bonus is that you can add 3" to the range of Psychic Abomination for every unit on the battlefield after the first.
This means that if you take maximum three squads of sisters and three dedicated Rhinos for them, their anti-psychic range increases to 27" when all the units are on the battlefield. I personally think this detachment is the real winner of this release.

Edit : So this is what "getting Ninja'd" mean. Please refer to the reply right above mine.

As a Thousand Sons player who has never encountered this before - what is Psychic Abomination do and how screwed am I?

It shuts off all of your powers and puts your whole army at -3 leadership.

ERJAK wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

It shuts off all of your powers and puts your whole army at -3 leadership.

basically a nastier Shadow in the Warp