Apologies for the slightly blurry picture. Price is the same as last year double start collecting. All of them seem to be about a 30% discount.

Hmm orks might be nice depending on context. Could always use more for HH era battles!

Wonder if there’s more 40k one’s.

Space Marines are notable for their absence.

The previous page is probably filled with SM battleforces in all the colors of the rainbow.


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Can't really make out what the Ork one is. Two trukks? Three bikers and some boyz? Wonder what the HQ is, not a Dok again, surely?


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Hmm, no maybe a BW and a Trukk.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if there’s more 40k one’s.

Space Marines are notable for their absence.

Primaris are too new to be discounted, and they don't want to push tiny Marines.

 Oguhmek wrote:
The previous page is probably filled with SM battleforces in all the colors of the rainbow.


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Can't really make out what the Ork one is. Two trukks? Three bikers and some boyz? Wonder what the HQ is, not a Dok again, surely?


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Hmm, no maybe a BW and a Trukk.

Battlewagon, trukk, 3 bikes, 5 lootas, sag big mek, and one other unit, probably boyz.

The Kharadron kinda sucks, doesn't it? Only 16 models and that's not even the biggest ship.

The rest seem at least decent to good. First Stormcast box ever with a respectable number of bodies.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
The previous page is probably filled with SM battleforces in all the colors of the rainbow.


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Can't really make out what the Ork one is. Two trukks? Three bikers and some boyz? Wonder what the HQ is, not a Dok again, surely?


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Hmm, no maybe a BW and a Trukk.

Battlewagon, trukk, 3 bikes, 5 lootas, sag big mek, and one other unit, probably boyz.

I can always do with another battlewagon, don't have sag big mek. Lootas always handy and while I have several trukk's more always handy. Tempting if I didn't have big 30k purchase list already.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The Kharadron kinda sucks, doesn't it? Only 16 models and that's not even the biggest ship.

The rest seem at least decent to good. First Stormcast box ever with a respectable number of bodies.

Well better indication of whether it sucks is how much savings AND how much of actually useful stuff there is. If much of the savings comes from "free" monopose character that comes in every box and nobody wants multiples then that's sucky box. If it's good saving on stuff people want multiples that's good one.

Don't want another Trukk and I have the SAG Mek. Shame. Otherwise nice box.

The Arcanites one looks good.

Guard one appears to be 20 Infantry, Command Squad, Russ, Chimera, Sentinel and 3 Ogryn.
Tau one is 6 Stealths, 3 Crisis, Crisis Commander (?) and a Ghostkeel.

The Stormcast one looks like an Aquilor, a box of Hunters, two boxes of raptors, and a box of Palladors, but that doesnt equal thirty two models.

(1 + 10 + 12 + 3 = 26), CAD it is $285 for it all seperately, so it is about right, money wise...

I must be misidentifying something.

Last year was a Celestant Prime, pair of Dracoths, ten Liberators, five Paladins, and a Knight Venator.

Edit: with the gryph hounds i didnt make out, the box is 315 canadian, so 115 dollars savings - pretty good!

Tzeentch one is
- 20 Acolytes (1 box)
- 20 Tzaangor (2 boxes)
- 6 Skyfires (2 boxes)
- 1 Shaman

That's $235 for $170, so about 28% off.

Edit; Nevermind. ;-)

The two posters above answered my question.

I certainly will buy either the Stormcast or Tzeentch one. Both look good!

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Stormcast one looks like an Aquilor, a box of Hunters, two boxes of raptors, and a box of Palladors, but that doesnt equal thirty two models.

(1 + 10 + 12 + 3 = 26), CAD it is $285 for it all seperately, so it is about right, money wise...

I must be misidentifying something.

Last year was a Celestant Prime, pair of Dracoths, ten Liberators, five Paladins, and a Knight Venator.

Did you count all the little birds and cubs and gak?

Could be a box of Gryphounds in there as well, that’d your missing six.

Bit of a bland mix for the Tau, Slightly tempted by the guard box...

Can anybody confirm whether its only the 3 40k boxes? seems like such a missed opportunity considering how well they sell.

On that note, if they linked the release of a couple of codexes with some of these they would fly off the shelves.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be a box of Gryphounds in there as well, that’d your missing six.

That would be it, I think.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Stormcast one looks like an Aquilor, a box of Hunters, two boxes of raptors, and a box of Palladors, but that doesnt equal thirty two models.

(1 + 10 + 12 + 3 = 26), CAD it is $285 for it all seperately, so it is about right, money wise...

I must be misidentifying something.

Last year was a Celestant Prime, pair of Dracoths, ten Liberators, five Paladins, and a Knight Venator.

Did you count all the little birds and cubs and gak?

Counted the Birds, yeah.

Edit:

This box plus Blight War gives you everything you need to run a decent Vanguard chamber army - Neave, Lord Aquilor, three units of Raptors, three units of Hunters, two units of Palladors, and some Gryph Hounds to give you deep strike protection. All in all, pretty good.

The box gives you enough models to build every kind of vanguard unit, assuming my ability to make out fuzzy details is correct!

Stormcast and Death seem to be a couple of nice bulky box sets.

Primaris one is needed though.

Process wrote:
Bit of a bland mix for the Tau, Slightly tempted by the guard box...

Can anybody confirm whether its only the 3 40k boxes? seems like such a missed opportunity considering how well they sell.

On that note, if they linked the release of a couple of codexes with some of these they would fly off the shelves.

Can't confirm, but very much looking to be 'page two of two', so I reckon there's a few other 40k ones we've not clocked yet.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have a "Primaris battleforce", or even a "Death Guard battleforce"

I'm not too excited about this year bundle. Last year SC and Sylvaneth was great.

Id be kind of shocked if there isnt a Primaris one with a Repulsor, unit of Intercessors, Hellblasters, Aggressors and Inceptors with a Captain. Maybe sans the Aggressors or Repulsor though.

Chopstick wrote:
I'm not too excited about this year bundle. Last year SC and Sylvaneth was great.

I've enjoyed the previous Ironjawz battleforce as well. It's understandable, but a bit of a shame that there isn't a Destruction battleforce this year.

Spiky Norman wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm not too excited about this year bundle. Last year SC and Sylvaneth was great.

I've enjoyed the previous Ironjawz battleforce as well. It's understandable, but a bit of a shame that there isn't a Destruction battleforce this year.

I missed that one! I had it in my hands and I thought I would get it later… well the later ended up being tooooo late. Sold out.

I really hope there's a page 1, could be since there's no header on the page. I'd be all over a Thousand Sons and/or AdMech megaforce.

Page 1 might be the terrain Bundles though

Nah. There'll be other 40k ones on there. At least a Space Marine one.

The last years SC bundle was only good to buy one of, since the Celestant Prime is a unique and was most of the savings right there.

This years one has rebuy value, at least.

I like the Tau one. Not sure I'd need the Guard one's contents, as I've got so much stuff waiting to be built on their behalf...

Finally a cheap way to start my Tzeentch army!

$170 for 14 dwarves and two small vehicles? I've got to be honest, I'm feeling a little underwhelmed here.

 Breotan wrote:
$170 for 14 dwarves and two small vehicles? I've got to be honest, I'm feeling a little underwhelmed here.

The boats and especially the balloon guys are xpensive, yeah.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
$170 for 14 dwarves and two small vehicles? I've got to be honest, I'm feeling a little underwhelmed here.

The boats and especially the balloon guys are xpensive, yeah.

It also looks like it includes 3 characters, which would be $75 in and of itself.

I can't say for sure but it looks like:
-Gunhauler
-Frigate
-Ballooners
-Arkanaut Company
-Admiral
-Aether-Khemist
-Navigator

If I'm right about the characters(I might very well be wrong, it just seems like the guys in the background are kind of pushed back further than they would be for most shots of a unit) that puts you at $290 worth of product for $170.
You're looking at $240 of product for $170, saving you $70.

Strike the two extra characters. It's the blurry photos killing my eyes, the Arkanaut Company just have two models kind of poked up a bit with the Admiral.

The Tau box is actually pretty good, all kits are relatively new with the oldest being the stealth suits, with enough to build 3-4 elite units and an HQ all with tonnes of options and poseability.

Edit: and $200 CAD for $304 worth of retail kit.

It also makes me speculate about the T'au codex, as it's the only box that doesn't appear to have 'troops' in it.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
The Tau box is actually pretty good, all kits are relatively new with the oldest being the stealth suits, with enough to build 3-4 elite units and an HQ all with tonnes of options and poseability.

It also makes me speculate about the T'au codex, as it's the only box that doesn't appear to have 'troops' in it.

Vanguard Detachment would make it legal though.

3 Elites and 1 HQ.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Vanguard Detachment would make it legal though.

3 Elites and 1 HQ.

It would, but the box still breaks the mould of the others for that reason.

Granted they could just be built around a theme of 'suits that can fly around' but my inner farsight fan can't let crisis troops go.

I was hoping to see these show up (wish they did more). Sadly, I'd only buy an Eldar one if needed, and they barely have enough plastic kits to really do one. I preferred the ones last year which didn't repeat anything from the Start Collecting box --- thought that was a great move.

LAST YEAR'S TAU:


An extremely solid box when combined with the Tau Start Collecting --- so the new one isn't quite as cool to me since you're repeating suits.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Vanguard Detachment would make it legal though.

3 Elites and 1 HQ.

It would, but the box still breaks the mould of the others for that reason.

Granted they could just be built around a theme of 'suits that can fly around' but my inner farsight fan can't let crisis troops go.

Assuming Farsight doesn't get their own Codex, I'd expect something allowing for Crisis Suits taken in a Vanguard Detachment to get Objective Secured.


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 Elbows wrote:
I was hoping to see these show up (wish they did more). Sadly, I'd only buy an Eldar one if needed, and they barely have enough plastic kits to really do one. I preferred the ones last year which didn't repeat anything from the Start Collecting box --- thought that was a great move.

LAST YEAR'S TAU:


An extremely solid box when combined with the Tau Start Collecting --- so the new one isn't quite as cool to me since you're repeating suits.

I'd far rather this box to that one. I bought the one last year, don't get me wrong(I even lucked out--mine had 6 Stealth Suits instead of 3 in it...but was missing sprues from the Devilfish sadly)...but Crisis Suits are $75/3. Any place I can get them discounted with a Ghostkeel or Stealths? I'm down.

Chikout wrote:
Apologies for the slightly blurry picture. Price is the same as last year double start collecting. All of them seem to be about a 30% discount.

Is it only this single page? Is it like 2015 where there were different in-store versus online deals?

Praise Tzeench.

Can anyone make out what's in the AoS Death box? I am still sitting on three unopened Flesh Eater Court big-bundles, but am always interested in Death stuff.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Can anyone make out what's in the AoS Death box? I am still sitting on three unopened Flesh Eater Court big-bundles, but am always interested in Death stuff.

1 Mortarch (£48) (Or £50 in a Horde box with extra...)
2 Morghast (£36)
20 Skeleton Warriors (?) (£34)
10 Graveguard (£25.50)
1 Wight King on foot (£11)

Looks like that to me

 judgedoug wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Apologies for the slightly blurry picture. Price is the same as last year double start collecting. All of them seem to be about a 30% discount.

Is it only this single page? Is it like 2015 where there were different in-store versus online deals?

Nope. There a more with the terrain and paint deals. You can see some of them on spikey bits.

 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Apologies for the slightly blurry picture. Price is the same as last year double start collecting. All of them seem to be about a 30% discount.

Is it only this single page? Is it like 2015 where there were different in-store versus online deals?

Nope. There a more with the terrain and paint deals. You can see some of them on spikey bits.

The paint bundle was pic from WD November, the battleforce is not from WD November. Also they clearly wrote

The layout and formatting also appears to be similar to the pages seen in the White Dwarf this month as well (above) leading some to further speculate that these faction bundles are from a separate Holiday catalog that most retailers get around this time each year.

Maybe this is an obvious question, but anyone knows if these holiday bundles usually offered through flgs?
Thanks

Olkhen wrote:
Maybe this is an obvious question, but anyone knows if these holiday bundles usually offered through flgs?
Thanks

Yes they are, I picked up a few last year from online discounters. This year's selection aren't all that tempting for myself, thankfully...

Looks decent, but I still have 90% of the Deathwatch one from last year still in the box, and got a ton of use out of the 2 AdMech ones. Will pass on these this year. More money for terrain at least.

The GW site also has a bunch of "No Discount" bundles up for Pre-Order, all of which are just the contents at standard prices added together.

Except, from what I can see, this one:



Here's the contents description:

Games "What does 'Bundle' actually mean?" Workshop wrote:- A 5-man set of Lychguard, featuring warscythes, hyperphase swords and dispersion shields – these can optionally be assembled as Triarch Praetorians;
- A Destroyer Squadron – this is a set of 3 Destroyers, armed with gauss cannon and complete with a transfer sheet;
- A Start Collecting! Necrons set – this contains 17 miniatures: an Overlord, a Triarch Stalker, a Scarab Swarm and a set of twelve Necron Warriors.

Notice something missing from that description?

The price matched the contents listed there added up, but the picture has 5 Immortals that are not mentioned anywhere. Is that a mistake?

Also, great googly moogly how good does this look?

Does site specifically call them bundles or are these more of nobody but players call them bundles "bundles".

I have yet to see gw call no discount box as a bundle. Rather "this week primaris pre orders" or similar

Y'all gonna make me check 'em all, in'cha? Aiight...

Skaven:
"... this is a great bundle of Clan Pestilens miniatures..."

Tyranids:
"... this is a great bundle of Tyranids miniatures..."

OHIO!:
"... this is a great bundle of Drukhari miniatures..."

Sylvaneth:
"... this is a great bundle of Sylvaneth miniatures..."

Sensing a pattern yet?

Chaos Marine Marines:
"... this is a great bundle of Chaos Space Marines miniatures..."

Deathwatch:
"... this is a great bundle of Deathwatch miniatures..."

Should I continue, or are we satisfied?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The GW site also has a bunch of "No Discount" bundles up for Pre-Order, all of which are just the contents at standard prices added together.

Except, from what I can see, this one:

Here's the contents description:

Games "What does 'Bundle' actually mean?" Workshop wrote:- A 5-man set of Lychguard, featuring warscythes, hyperphase swords and dispersion shields – these can optionally be assembled as Triarch Praetorians;
- A Destroyer Squadron – this is a set of 3 Destroyers, armed with gauss cannon and complete with a transfer sheet;
- A Start Collecting! Necrons set – this contains 17 miniatures: an Overlord, a Triarch Stalker, a Scarab Swarm and a set of twelve Necron Warriors.

Notice something missing from that description?

The price matched the contents listed there added up, but the picture has 5 Immortals that are not mentioned anywhere. Is that a mistake?

Probably the correct one is the desciption, it's not rare for GW to make mistake like this. For example the "The enemy below" bundle show no Trygon but one of the 3d review pic is the Trygon.

Also back from Gatherring Storm 2, they have the "Reborn Bladehost" bundle which show the old resin Harlequin kit being sold, which is probably wrong.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all gonna make check 'em all, in'cha? Aiight...

Skaven:
"... this is a great bundle of Clan Pestilens miniatures..."

Tyranids:
"... this is a great bundle of Tyranids miniatures..."

OHIO!:
"... this is a great bundle of Drukhari miniatures..."

Sylvaneth:
"... this is a great bundle of Sylvaneth miniatures..."

Sensing a pattern yet?

Chaos Marine Marines:
"... this is a great bundle of Chaos Space Marines miniatures..."

Deathwatch:
"... this is a great bundle of Deathwatch miniatures..."

Should I continue, or are we satisfied?

One would be enough seeing i see none of those. Only preorder i found was sigmarite one.Well that's a first. All the time people complain about gw bundles with no discount there's never been word bundle.

There is a Death Watch army bundle in Novembers White Dwarf I think, No Primaris Marines bundle

tneva82 wrote:
... i see none of those.

Probably because your pre-orders aren't up yet. Change your flag to a country from the future (NZ, Oz, etc.) and you'll see 'em. They put up tons of them alongside some of the new terrain bundles (that actually are bundles).

tneva82 wrote:
All the time people complain about gw bundles with no discount there's never been word bundle.

Probably best that you head here to get some assistance.

What's in that Ork bundle? It's hard to tell.

I was about to comment on what poor value the army deals are, but then I realised that they were just "bundles".

Doh!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Also, great googly moogly how good does this look?

As a self-confessed terrain junkie, how many are you in for?

What about a side order of ruined sections?

Happy about the Tzeentch one, wish I knew beforehand though. Going to just have more Cultists than I planned for

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I was about to comment on what poor value the army deals are, but then I realised that they were just "bundles".

Doh!

They do the one-click bundles every week or so, tied in to the armies shown on Warhammer TV/Warhammer Live's Twitch games.

@Chopstick: My bad. I mistook this sets for the christmas bundles. But as others have stated, they are just like the one-click-bundles.

alphaecho wrote:
As a self-confessed terrain junkie, how many are you in for?

What about a side order of ruined sections?

Oh I already have a full ring of the Khorntress stuff.

The ruined wall sections though, I'm still deciding on 1 or 2 sets.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Y'all gonna make me check 'em all, in'cha? Aiight...

Skaven:
"... this is a great bundle of Clan Pestilens miniatures..."

Tyranids:
"... this is a great bundle of Tyranids miniatures..."

OHIO!:
"... this is a great bundle of Drukhari miniatures..."

Sylvaneth:
"... this is a great bundle of Sylvaneth miniatures..."

Sensing a pattern yet?

Chaos Marine Marines:
"... this is a great bundle of Chaos Space Marines miniatures..."

Deathwatch:
"... this is a great bundle of Deathwatch miniatures..."

Should I continue, or are we satisfied?

Maybe actually doing the math to show you kind of made a mistake and ALL of them have discounts?


Ironjawz consists of 10 ardboyz (45EUR) 5 brutes (42EUR), and 3 goregruntas (67EUR) these jackasses alone costs a whooping 151 euros...the box costs 141 and there's two more heroes.


Sylvaneth has a treelord (50EUR) 3 kurnoth (46EUR) 5 tree revenants (29EUR) and a branchwych (18EUR)... which adds up to 143EUR on a 140EUR box that also includes 20 driads (which would be like 40EUR, give or take).



Deathwatch has 10 veterans (58EUR) a Corvus Blackstar (52EUR) and a dreadnought... which all combined cost less than 137EUR and also include the watch master and captain artemis.

Not that there are amazing discounts, mind you, but you get a better bang for your buck on GW than normally. And they do have discount.

You get the same discount as the Start Collectings give you.

So do we know when these are supposed to be available? I'd have thought they would have gone up with the pre-orders this weekend rather than the strange army "bundle" things they've got up now.

 Kawauso wrote:
So do we know when these are supposed to be available? I'd have thought they would have gone up with the pre-orders this weekend rather than the strange army "bundle" things they've got up now.

Probably 1 week or 2 before christmas, with the promotion that preorder and you get it free shipping an delivered under your door on the 24th like last year.

Ah, I wasn't aware that was part of the "deal"; I've missed out on these the last few years.

Thanks!

My guess is preorder 18th for release 24th, Black Friday weekend , wouldn't be massively surprised if direct only this time after last year's reseller shenanigans , one guy on a uk Facebook selling page must have broken down scores of them to resell as seperate units....

Chopstick wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:
So do we know when these are supposed to be available? I'd have thought they would have gone up with the pre-orders this weekend rather than the strange army "bundle" things they've got up now.

Probably 1 week or 2 before christmas, with the promotion that preorder and you get it free shipping an delivered under your door on the 24th like last year.

You'd get free shipping anyways since they're over the $60 price tag for free shipping.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
My guess is preorder 18th for release 24th, Black Friday weekend , wouldn't be massively surprised if direct only this time after last year's reseller shenanigans , one guy on a uk Facebook selling page must have broken down scores of them to resell as seperate units....

I wouldn't think they care about the fact people are buying and reselling for profit. As long as GW sell them then why do they care?

If they decide to do direct only then I would think it was because they were so popular. They would know they can sell them all (rather than give FLGSs and online sellers a cut for a share of the risk).

However, I reckon they will be available in limited numbers from 3rd parties again. I'm just hoping there is a tyranid one this year. Need more gants/gaunts...

I really want the AoS terrain box, I don't have any of those kits yet, but it's still $150...

Same with the Tzeentch one, I have the shaman and 6 skyfires already, or this would be an auto buy for me (I really just want the figures as Warhammer Quest monsters). We got, what, a half box of the Tzeentch cultists with Hammerhal? and then there's the models that came with Silver Tower... I'm also looking for an excuse to buy the new giant blue turkey kit...would have been cool to see him included in a discounted bundle.

Are we going to be able to get these at a further discount through 3rd party online stores, etc? That might cinch it for me if so.

Maybe I wait to get Necromunda until after Christmas...none of it is limited release, right?

They'll be a splash release--when they sell through, they sell through.

Also, no way you'd get the Lord of Change in there. That box is $170 and already saving you something like ~$65.

WobblyGoblin wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
My guess is preorder 18th for release 24th, Black Friday weekend , wouldn't be massively surprised if direct only this time after last year's reseller shenanigans , one guy on a uk Facebook selling page must have broken down scores of them to resell as seperate units....

I wouldn't think they care about the fact people are buying and reselling for profit. As long as GW sell them then why do they care?

If they decide to do direct only then I would think it was because they were so popular. They would know they can sell them all (rather than give FLGSs and online sellers a cut for a share of the risk).

However, I reckon they will be available in limited numbers from 3rd parties again. I'm just hoping there is a tyranid one this year. Need more gants/gaunts...

Last year's battleforces were available from 3rd party retailers. If it has it's own box then it's probably available.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Last year's battleforces were available from 3rd party retailers. If it has it's own box then it's probably available.

They do have boxes, we get the pictures in the OP.

 Fango wrote:
I really want the AoS terrain box, I don't have any of those kits yet, but it's still $150...

Same with the Tzeentch one, I have the shaman and 6 skyfires already, or this would be an auto buy for me (I really just want the figures as Warhammer Quest monsters). We got, what, a half box of the Tzeentch cultists with Hammerhal? and then there's the models that came with Silver Tower... I'm also looking for an excuse to buy the new giant blue turkey kit...would have been cool to see him included in a discounted bundle.

Are we going to be able to get these at a further discount through 3rd party online stores, etc? That might cinch it for me if so.

Maybe I wait to get Necromunda until after Christmas...none of it is limited release, right?

I'm doing my best to talk myself out of buying the Tzeentch box when it goes up for order. I don't really have space for more models right now and I really want to sell one of my armies (my Space Marines) before starting a new one, but I know that the next two armies I want to start are a Tzeentch Arcanites force and a Marauder and monster themed mixed Chaos list (already have the monsters, just need the Marauders). I also want to pick up some Tzaangors and Skyfires/Enlightened for Hammerhal before my group starts that dungeon. If I know I'll eventually be buying the kits, it just seems like a no brainer to pick them up at a discount.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I really want the AoS terrain box, I don't have any of those kits yet, but it's still $150...

Same with the Tzeentch one, I have the shaman and 6 skyfires already, or this would be an auto buy for me (I really just want the figures as Warhammer Quest monsters). We got, what, a half box of the Tzeentch cultists with Hammerhal? and then there's the models that came with Silver Tower... I'm also looking for an excuse to buy the new giant blue turkey kit...would have been cool to see him included in a discounted bundle.

Are we going to be able to get these at a further discount through 3rd party online stores, etc? That might cinch it for me if so.

Maybe I wait to get Necromunda until after Christmas...none of it is limited release, right?

I'm doing my best to talk myself out of buying the Tzeentch box when it goes up for order. I don't really have space for more models right now and I really want to sell one of my armies (my Space Marines) before starting a new one, but I know that the next two armies I want to start are a Tzeentch Arcanites force and a Marauder and monster themed mixed Chaos list (already have the monsters, just need the Marauders). I also want to pick up some Tzaangors and Skyfires/Enlightened for Hammerhal before my group starts that dungeon. If I know I'll eventually be buying the kits, it just seems like a no brainer to pick them up at a discount.

Not sure how soon you want that Marauder army up and running, but based on the recent Warhammer Community leak of that barbarian queen and the cool barbarian we got in Silver Tower...I'd imagine we'll be seeing a new Marauder kit sooner than later. I think the current Marauder kit has about as much aesthetic value as the old ham-fisted monkey-skaven...

Yeah, not doing anything with the Marauders just yet. I can proxy in my Bloodreavers (I have like 60 of them right now) any time I want to run the list, though I do find the current Marauder kit to be somewhat charming for some reason.

NM, I hadn't increased the size of the image. None of these three particularly interest me. Eldar or SM for me, please. Eldar because the two Get Started don't really interest me.

Didn't see this linked yet. Nearly £150 of stuff in the box when bought separately

So there is a preceding page, not just the terrain sets. Nice!
Any shot of the whole page?

 xttz wrote:
Didn't see this linked yet. Nearly £150 of stuff in the box when bought separately

Were there more shown, if you found the pics somewhere?
If you got the gift guide--how about putting up some page photos?

Interesting, wonder what the other sets are then.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Were there more shown, if you found the pics somewhere?
If you got the gift guide--how about putting up some page photos?

Sorry, I just saw this image linked on another forum

A Tyranids one would be fantastic, especially with the new codex coming out this weekend.

I sold off my 'nids many years ago, but seeing the new rules are putting me in that Hive Mind kinda mood once more..!

Darn it, I've not finished building the stuff from the IronJawz one from last year! I like the Kharadron, Genestealer Cults and possibly the Ork one depending on contents.

 xttz wrote:
Didn't see this linked yet. Nearly £150 of stuff in the box when bought separately

My squint-fu is weak, but looks like one Broodcoven, two boxes of Neophytes (one miners kit, one military kit), one box of Acolytes/Metamorphs, and a Goliath. That makes 31 models. What am I missing? I don't see an Iconward.

*edit* NM. I forgot the Neophyte Squad kit has 11. Forgot about the Heavy Weapons Team.

 xttz wrote:
Didn't see this linked yet. Nearly £150 of stuff in the box when bought separately

Might be wishful thinking but that looks like a page devoted to 2 battleforce boxes. Given the background colour I'm betting/hoping the boxes are linked and therefore the other box is a tyranid one.

On no, oh no.... I already have my budget tied up in other Christmas stuff. I can't go wanting a battleforce box...

Pretty obvious at this point that GW are leaking them a little at a time on purpose.

The Kharadron box is what? Halfway down the page? Look as though there's room for another two deals, one above and one below the Genestealer set perhaps?

We've not seen anything Marine flavoured as of yet...

 Scrub wrote:


We've not seen anything Marine flavoured as of yet...

That is most unsettling, I mean a Primaris bundle has to be coming surely unless they aren't going to bother with any Marine bundles.

Its too soon after the Primaris release. I would be surprised to see a battle force for either them or the Death Guard.

Kharadrons were only May/June, its not outside the realm of possibility that a "Primaris Strike force" could happen.

What are the contents of the IG box?

Thanks!

Tannarak wrote:
What are the contents of the IG box?

Thanks!

Looks like 20 guard, a command squad, 3 ogryn, a russ, chimaera, and sentinel.

Made this just to see how much white space exactly we have left on that page. Fits quite a few more megaforces.

Do we know what is in the Ork box?

ritualnet wrote:
Do we know what is in the Ork box?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Battlewagon, trukk, 3 bikes, 5 lootas, sag big mek, and one other unit, probably boyz.

MajorWesJanson seems to have it right - I've asked my FLGS but they don't know yet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Made this just to see how much white space exactly we have left on that page. Fits quite a few more megaforces.

I'm afraid it's not so certain, I found the original image which is not cropped and you can see text left from the GC box, instead of boxes.

beast_gts wrote:

ritualnet wrote:
Do we know what is in the Ork box?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Battlewagon, trukk, 3 bikes, 5 lootas, sag big mek, and one other unit, probably boyz.

MajorWesJanson seems to have it right - I've asked my FLGS but they don't know yet.

Ah, thank you both then! I didn't see that message originally.

Tempting. I do love orks, although I hate horde armies.

Isn't this White Dwarf, y'know, out?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Isn't this White Dwarf, y'know, out?

No. These are not in the November WD. They are probably from December's.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Isn't this White Dwarf, y'know, out?

They're not in the White Dwarf (at least the UK edition). We're assuming they're from a Christmas flyer.

They're definitely not in the current WD, but they do resemble that 'mommy buy this' pages at the end of this month's issue. Sadly they don't work nearly as well as 'wife let me buy this' pages.

Look forward to starting my cult force finally though. Feels rather nice to be able to build a force for less than 200 bucks, which had been a sticking point for me for a while. Buy them as I paint from there and maybe I'll have an army worth mentioning before next year's out.

if I have Deathwatch Overkill (and a Goliath I picked up randomly for cheap) would the battleforce for GC be a bit of a waste? I'm paying for another set of HQ choices I currently have, for example. (the extra vehicles never go amiss though)

ritualnet wrote:
if I have Deathwatch Overkill (and a Goliath I picked up randomly for cheap) would the battleforce for GC be a bit of a waste? I'm paying for another set of HQ choices I currently have, for example. (the extra vehicles never go amiss though)

A second set is definitely not a waste. A Patriarch is a terrifying monster psyker that also makes your peeps fearless, having two of them is not bad for a pure GSC force. Magus is very, very spammable and having more than 1 unit guided by a Primus during Cult Ambush is great as well.

Kitane wrote:

ritualnet wrote:
if I have Deathwatch Overkill (and a Goliath I picked up randomly for cheap) would the battleforce for GC be a bit of a waste? I'm paying for another set of HQ choices I currently have, for example. (the extra vehicles never go amiss though)

A second set is definitely not a waste. A Patriarch is a terrifying monster psyker that also makes your peeps fearless, having two of them is not bad for a pure GSC force. Magus is very, very spammable and having more than 1 unit guided by a Primus during Cult Ambush is great as well.

Are the GSC HQs no longer unique? Haven't really looked at their 8th ed rules.

How does one acquire a Holiday Gift Guide?

 tgmoore wrote:
How does one acquire a Holiday Gift Guide?

They'll be in GW shops.

 tgmoore wrote:
How does one acquire a Holiday Gift Guide?

Open a store.

 EnTyme wrote:

 tgmoore wrote:
How does one acquire a Holiday Gift Guide?

Open a store.

While snarky, this is a way to get them early...

We should start seeing them available publicly next week or the week after.

xavier5 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Made this just to see how much white space exactly we have left on that page. Fits quite a few more megaforces.

I'm afraid it's not so certain, I found the original image which is not cropped and you can see text left from the GC box, instead of boxes.

Yeah, the flyer is out now, the GSC battleforce is the only thing on that page.

Bummer. Was really hoping for TSons and/or AdMech.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Spoiler:

xavier5 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Made this just to see how much white space exactly we have left on that page. Fits quite a few more megaforces.

I'm afraid it's not so certain, I found the original image which is not cropped and you can see text left from the GC box, instead of boxes.

Yeah, the flyer is out now, the GSC battleforce is the only thing on that page.

Does it say when these will be released?

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Spoiler:

xavier5 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Made this just to see how much white space exactly we have left on that page. Fits quite a few more megaforces.

I'm afraid it's not so certain, I found the original image which is not cropped and you can see text left from the GC box, instead of boxes.

Yeah, the flyer is out now, the GSC battleforce is the only thing on that page.

Does it say when these will be released?

It just says "December 2017".


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Bummer. Was really hoping for TSons and/or AdMech.

Yeah, I would have liked a Lizardmen one, but it probably would have come loaded with even more Saurus Cav I don't need

Thank you.

So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

Looking back at last year, I guess it makes a kind of sense. There was about that many last year and they seemed to pick the more expensive armies to perk up with it.

Now to decide between the Stormcast or Tau one. I could use a third Ghostkeel and more Stealth Suits...

Genuinely surprised at the lack of a Space Marines 'Battleforce' this year but I distinctly recall they had at least two last year Space Wolves and Deathwatch (and that's off the top of my head) so giving them a rest this year does make sense.

I'll be taking the plunge with a new AoS force then, just have to decide between Kharadron, Stormcast and Death... They all have really nice models, it's hard to choose!

 Scrub wrote:
Genuinely surprised at the lack of a Space Marines 'Battleforce' this year but I distinctly recall they had at least two last year Space Wolves and Deathwatch (and that's off the top of my head) so giving them a rest this year does make sense.

Last year was Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Tau Empire, and AdMech.
AoS was Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth, and Khorne Bloodbound.

That might not be all of them but that's all I can remember. I do know the Tau one though, as I did buy it. Pathfinders, Stealth Suits, a Ghostkeel, Battlesuit Commander, Devilfish, and a Broadside. My box was missing a sprue for the Devilfish and bases for the Stealth Suits...but they doubled up on my Stealth Suits so I wasn't too fussed.

Is the GSC set the same as that which was in Overkill as it kinda looks that way or they the actual multipiece sets?

angel of death 007 wrote:
Is the GSC set the same as that which was in Overkill as it kinda looks that way or they the actual multipiece sets?

The HQ sprue is the same, but the rest are the kits.


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 Scrub wrote:
Genuinely surprised at the lack of a Space Marines 'Battleforce' this year...

It's possible they'll be Marine stuff released with the BA & DA books before Christmas.

Excited for that Death box, rest of them, eh

Last Xmas the battle forces I bought where 3x Deathwatch:
Each one had:
1x Razorback ($55)
3x DW squad: ($180)
1x Terminator squad ($74)
1x 5man bike squad ($100)
1x Watch master ($30)
+ got (i cant remember, maybe 3 or 4 Deathwatch upgrade sprues per box, think are $20 each so lets say 3) ($60)

= $499
Got each battle force for $280 AU

Hope they have some bargains like that again

is there a list of what is included in the GSC set?

angel of death 007 wrote:
is there a list of what is included in the GSC set?

Yes.
One box of 5 Acolyte Hybrids
One Goliath Rockgrinder(able to be built as the Goliath Truck instead)
One Broodcoven box
One Neophyte Hybrid Squad
One Neophyte Hybrid set

The Hybrid "Squad" is Cadian Shock Troops, a Cadian Heavy Weapon Team, and a Genestealer Cult Upgrade Frame.
The Hybrid set is the stuff you'll find in all the artwork.

How does the GSC compare to Overkill?

From what I can see, Overkill gets you
+ 7 Acolyte Hybrids (but no options)
+ 6 Neophyte Hybrids (but no options)
+ 4 Aberrants
+ 2 Purestrains
- 12 Cadians
- 1 Goliath

On top of that you get the Cassius Squad and it costs 10 euro more.

Overkill has

Genestealer Patriarch
Genestealer Primus
Genestealer Magus and two Familiars
2 Purestrain Genestealers
4 Aberrants
12 1st/2nd gen Hybrids (mix of talons, CCW and pistols so you're missing most of the special weapons)
16 3rd/4th gen Hybrids (1 grenade launcher, 1 mining laser & autoguns so your missing the shotguns and heavy weapons, plus the banner/icon bloke)

so it's certainly where I'd start a cult force (and actually works quite well with the Christmas box especially if you build them to work together)

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

Any chance of posting a higher rez pic? The top ones e.g. ork are still somewhat a mystery...

xavier5 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

Any chance of posting a higher rez pic? The top ones e.g. ork are still somewhat a mystery...

I can do better than that.

I got my hands on a gift guide today, so here's the listing:
Genestealer Cults Insurrection
32 models
1x Goliath
1x Broodcoven
1x Neophyte Hybrid box
1x Neophyte Hybrid Squad(10 Cadians, 1 Cadian Heavy Weapons Team, 1 Genestealer Cult Upgrade Frame)
1x Acolyte Hybrid Box

T'au Empire Rapid Insertion Cadre
24 models
1x Commander in Crisis Suit
1x Ghostkeel
1x Crisis Suit Team
2x Stealth Suit Teams

Astra Militarum Battlegroup
31 models
1x Leman Russ Battle Tank
1x Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Cadian Command Squad
2x Cadian Shock Troops boxes
1x Ogryn box

Orks Kult of Speed
22 models
1x Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun
1x box of Bikers
1x Battlewagon
1x Trukk
1x Ork Boyz box
1x Ork Lootas box

Kharadron Overlords Sky Fleet
16 models
1x Frigate
1x Gunhauler
1x Admiral
1x box of Arkanaut Company
1x box of Endrinriggers

Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
2x boxes of Vanguard Raptors(6 models per box; the birds count)
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
1x Gryph-Hounds box

Tzeentch Arcanites Changecult
47 models
2x Skyfire boxes
1x box of Kairic Acolytes
2x boxes of Tzaangor
1x Shaman

Blade of the Blood Queen
34 models
1x Mortarch
1 box of Morghast
1x box of Skeletons
1x Wight King
1x box of Grave Guard

I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

When do these go on sale?

mightymconeshot wrote:
When do these go on sale?

December 2017 is all it says.

Little disapointed, I was hoping for a dark eldar box, or a chaos marines box. Oh well guess it will be only chapter approved as my purchase for this december.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

xavier5 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

Any chance of posting a higher rez pic? The top ones e.g. ork are still somewhat a mystery...

I can do better than that.

I got my hands on a gift guide today, so here's the listing:
Genestealer Cults Insurrection
32 models
1x Goliath
1x Broodcoven
1x Neophyte Hybrid box
1x Neophyte Hybrid Squad(10 Cadians, 1 Cadian Heavy Weapons Team, 1 Genestealer Cult Upgrade Frame)
1x Acolyte Hybrid Box

T'au Empire Rapid Insertion Cadre
24 models
1x Commander in Crisis Suit
1x Ghostkeel
1x Crisis Suit Team
2x Stealth Suit Teams

Astra Militarum Battlegroup
31 models
1x Leman Russ Battle Tank
1x Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Cadian Command Squad
2x Cadian Shock Troops boxes
1x Ogryn box

Orks Kult of Speed
22 models
1x Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun
1x box of Bikers
1x Battlewagon
1x Trukk
1x Ork Boyz box
1x Ork Lootas box

Kharadron Overlords Sky Fleet
16 models
1x Frigate
1x Gunhauler
1x Admiral
1x box of Arkanaut Company
1x box of Endrinriggers

Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
2x boxes of Vanguard Raptors(6 models per box; the birds count)
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
1x Gryph-Hounds box

Tzeentch Arcanites Changecult
47 models
2x Skyfire boxes
1x box of Kairic Acolytes
2x boxes of Tzaangor
1x Shaman

Blade of the Blood Queen
34 models
1x Mortarch
1 box of Morghast
1x box of Skeletons
1x Wight King
1x box of Grave Guard

 Galas wrote:
I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

If the Skyfires get ported to 40k they'll probably be given a different weapon sprue similar to the footslogging tzaangors with their bolt pistols and chainswords.

Tonhel wrote:
Great, could you also list the price in euro's?

Nope.... it only lists USD, CAD, AUD and NZD.

 Galas wrote:
I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

That'd be amazing.

Tonhel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

xavier5 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So wait, there's nothing else? That's it?

That's...surprising to say the least.

Yeah that's it as far as battleforces are concerned, 8 of them. The Christmas flyer is 20-something pages long, I've flipped through it and nothing jumped out at me as being new but maybe I just missed something.

Any chance of posting a higher rez pic? The top ones e.g. ork are still somewhat a mystery...

I can do better than that.

I got my hands on a gift guide today, so here's the listing:
Genestealer Cults Insurrection
32 models
1x Goliath
1x Broodcoven
1x Neophyte Hybrid box
1x Neophyte Hybrid Squad(10 Cadians, 1 Cadian Heavy Weapons Team, 1 Genestealer Cult Upgrade Frame)
1x Acolyte Hybrid Box

T'au Empire Rapid Insertion Cadre
24 models
1x Commander in Crisis Suit
1x Ghostkeel
1x Crisis Suit Team
2x Stealth Suit Teams

Astra Militarum Battlegroup
31 models
1x Leman Russ Battle Tank
1x Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Cadian Command Squad
2x Cadian Shock Troops boxes
1x Ogryn box

Orks Kult of Speed
22 models
1x Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun
1x box of Bikers
1x Battlewagon
1x Trukk
1x Ork Boyz box
1x Ork Lootas box

Kharadron Overlords Sky Fleet
16 models
1x Frigate
1x Gunhauler
1x Admiral
1x box of Arkanaut Company
1x box of Endrinriggers

Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
2x boxes of Vanguard Raptors(6 models per box; the birds count)
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
1x Gryph-Hounds box

Tzeentch Arcanites Changecult
47 models
2x Skyfire boxes
1x box of Kairic Acolytes
2x boxes of Tzaangor
1x Shaman

Blade of the Blood Queen
34 models
1x Mortarch
1 box of Morghast
1x box of Skeletons
1x Wight King
1x box of Grave Guard

Can anyone quote me how much you safe on the Ork Box compred to retail?

I'm assuming these will drop at about a hundred quid?

There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

Tonhel wrote:

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

They all cost the same, surely you can at least tell that from the US prices page.

Tonhel wrote:

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

Compare the other currencies. They're all the same price, I.E. €130.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Tonhel wrote:

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

They all cost the same, surely you can at least tell that from the US prices page.

Nostromodamus wrote:

Tonhel wrote:

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

Compare the other currencies. They're all the same price, I.E. €130.

Oops, lol, What can I say
The Tzeentch one is a must have. :-)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Tonhel wrote:

 Garion wrote:
There is a pic with the european prices on the previous page..

I only see the price for the Genestealers cult and the Tau in euro's?

They all cost the same, surely you can at least tell that from the US prices page.

Eh, it's easy to miss, I didn't notice when I read the flyer, probably because there's only 1 I care enough about to bother checking its price

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

If the Skyfires get ported to 40k they'll probably be given a different weapon sprue similar to the footslogging tzaangors with their bolt pistols and chainswords.

I think "Magic Bows" will do the trick for 40k, but if they receive proper sci-fi weapons I'll not complain

That death battleforce is really tempting to get into AOS.

Why give people a big mek with SAG instead of a KFF big mek??

Niexist wrote:
Why give people a big mek with SAG instead of a KFF big mek??

Because that model, (The great and flavourful sculpt that is was), is not available anymore. The only big Mek with KFF is part of the Meganobz kit now. Shame, there a couple of great orky scupts that you have to get from ebay nowadays. The older painboy with the surgical mask is another example.

Which means you are likely looking at no KFF big mek without mega-armour once the codex hits. Don't spend too much money on non-MA KFF big mek if you don't mind risking those being invalidated...

 Galas wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

If the Skyfires get ported to 40k they'll probably be given a different weapon sprue similar to the footslogging tzaangors with their bolt pistols and chainswords.

I think "Magic Bows" will do the trick for 40k, but if they receive proper sci-fi weapons I'll not complain

I'm crossing my fingers for sniper rifles, personally. Highly mobile, flying snipers might actually be worth using!

tneva82 wrote:
Which means you are likely looking at no KFF big mek without mega-armour once the codex hits. Don't spend too much money on non-MA KFF big mek if you don't mind risking those being invalidated...

Assuming he is in the Index (I don't own the Xenos book) then you'll still be able to use him.

Yeah but how long d'ya reckon the 'Get You By' Index books are going to hang around?

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Which means you are likely looking at no KFF big mek without mega-armour once the codex hits. Don't spend too much money on non-MA KFF big mek if you don't mind risking those being invalidated...

Assuming he is in the Index (I don't own the Xenos book) then you'll still be able to use him.

Provided he's on it's own page and not page that gets replaced by newer entry with same name.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but how long d'ya reckon the 'Get You By' Index books are going to hang around?

Exactly as long as it takes GW to release a proper codex for each army. They were never meant to be a permanent rules source, just a temporary solution so everyone could play in 8th edition.

Btw. Is it known already whether these bundles will not be webstore exclusive? Was looking forward to the terrain set Ruins of Elixia and then it turned it was webstore exclusive, which decreases potential savings. Can anyone confirm that it's not going to be the case here (I know it wasn't last year)?

xavier5 wrote:
Btw. Is it known already whether these bundles will not be webstore exclusive? Was looking forward to the terrain set Ruins of Elixia and then it turned it was webstore exclusive, which decreases potential savings. Can anyone confirm that it's not going to be the case here (I know it wasn't last year)?

If you don't see a box for the item during the run-up, it's probably a webstore exclusive.

If you do see a box, it'll be generally available. These bundles will be available from everywhere but will likely have a limited quantity available since they are likely splash releases.

The Ruins of Elixia are available from Element Games and, I assume, other stores.

http://elementgames.co.uk/new-releases/age-of-sigmar-ruins-of-elixia

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
The Ruins of Elixia are available from Element Games and, I assume, other stores.

http://elementgames.co.uk/new-releases/age-of-sigmar-ruins-of-elixia

Bear in mind that "Webstore Exclusive" doesn't mean that nobody else can get them. Just that most places won't stock it since they'd need to order it themselves and keep track rather than it being an easier to track item.

Good point Kan, and as you say these Christmas bundle type releases never stick around long. If you want them you are best advised to buy ASAP or face disappointment.

Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Is there a primaris box coming ?

 Formosa wrote:
Is there a primaris box coming ?

If there is, it's not in the holiday gift guide.

4 for 40k, 4 for Age of Sigmar.
Genestealer Cult
Tau
Guard
Orks

Overlords
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard units(this one I'm actually super happy about)
Tzeentch Arcanites
Grand Alliance Death

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Right. Independent FLGS can totally order webstore exclusives but few are willing to do it when the profit margin is almost nil, it's basically just a free service to customers.

The only one of the battleforces that remotely interests me is the Tau one, and even that one is kinda meh for me as I don't really need more Stealth suits. Another Ghostkeel would be nice, as would a Commander and more Crisis suits. Of course, if it turns out that Stealth suits are amazeballs when the Tau codex drops...

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

Which doesn't mean wage level and stuff prices are automatically same.

I would assume that wage difference and lower shop operational costs simply allows shops to sell stuff at a slightly bigger discount from MSRP as they can survive with lower income - but the 25% I mentioned is really the min. you can find online. Most shops sell at 80-85% MSRP price not to mention brick and mortar ones. The GW prices here are in PLN - our local currency, but it's pretty much GBP * conversion rate, so overall it's almost same if you bought it in the UK. If the difference was bigger, people would just order directly in the UK and get shipping within EU for a few quid.

Sorry for the offtop

Assuming battleforces are not webstore exclusive I'm buying death, tzeentch, genestealer and ork. Given my current statistic of paining around 500 points of minis a month that should give me enough painting till next christmas and next battleforces

Later in the year I will buy start collecting for skeleton horde and malignants to have 2k points of death. Then start collecting tzeentch daemons (I already have silver tower painted and shadows over hammerhal Todo), so that's 2k of tzeentch. For GSC I'll combine it with deathwatch overkill and genestealers from space hulk. For Ork we'll see, probably again start collecting and maybe one of the bigger guys.

Sounds like the perfect plan, could use 6 months of vacation to get it all done

I'm torn on what to do with these. I could always fill out my AM force, and Ogryns are on my to buy list, it just doesn't seem as exciting as I thought it would be. I was hoping for an Ad Mech one really.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

Poland is in złoty, not Euro.


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xavier5 wrote:
I would assume that wage difference and lower shop operational costs simply allows shops to sell stuff at a slightly bigger discount from MSRP as they can survive with lower income - but the 25% I mentioned is really the min. you can find online. Most shops sell at 80-85% MSRP price not to mention brick and mortar ones. The GW prices here are in PLN - our local currency, but it's pretty much GBP * conversion rate, so overall it's almost same if you bought it in the UK. If the difference was bigger, people would just order directly in the UK and get shipping within EU for a few quid.

Ah ok my mistake, I thought you meant that was the wholesale not what you could get from a store.

Yeah I should clarify, when I was in Poland I was expecting GW stuff to be a lot cheaper than the rest of the world because wages are much lower so I figured retailers would be able to afford to sell for a larger discount off the MSRP. I was surprised not because Poland was more expensive than elsewhere but rather that they weren't cheaper than elsewhere.

Granted I didn't walk in to a lot of shops to check, just one in Poznan and another in Warszawa.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Right. Independent FLGS can totally order webstore exclusives but few are willing to do it when the profit margin is almost nil, it's basically just a free service to customers.

35% for having a trade account isn't nil. Few are willing to do it because few game stores are actually well run. Don't give a pass to terrible game stores. 35% is still 35%. If a customer wants something that is direct only for $100... What is a better business model? One who is too lazy to bother to offer direct order for their customers so the customer orders online and the game store makes ZERO dollars, or one who makes their customers happy and also makes 35 dollars?


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

He's talking about online discounters.

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

He's talking about online discounters.

Yeah I corrected myself in the next post.

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

My FLGS told me margins are like 15% for her, don't know if that's actually true. She was saying there's basically no profit in selling GW stuff. Of course we have 25% sales tax. The highest discount you can get in Sweden is 10%, with 15% for preorders in one of the biggest online stores. So with that said I can't imagine they're getting 50% off normal stock.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

That has to be a US thing... no way stores are getting those kind of prices over here or discounts would be a lot more aggressive.

 Mymearan wrote:
My FLGS told me margins are like 15% for her, don't know if that's actually true. She was saying there's basically no profit in selling GW stuff. Of course we have 25% sales tax. The highest discount you can get in Sweden is 10%, with 15% for preorders in one of the biggest online stores. So with that said I can't imagine they're getting 50% off normal stock.

That margin sounds highly suspect and probably used as an excuse to not provide a discount.
But 25% sales tax is gross. I hate paying 5.3%.


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 Mymearan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

That has to be a US thing... no way stores are getting those kind of prices over here or discounts would be a lot more aggressive.

In the US, GW is enforcing a 15% max discount if you want to carry their products online, so you tend to not find any discounts greater than 15% regardless. Is the same to be said for Sweden? Perhaps that's why your store won't discount because they aren't allowed to.

She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education

Doesn't sound free at all But I have badass health care and pay far less than what a 25% sales tax would amount to... I guess that's why I live in the world's only Superpower. *flex 'murica muscles* off topic alert! jk jk jk

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

You know what, I'm actually going to ask a couple of store owners I know... let's see if I get an answer.

 Mymearan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

You know what, I'm actually going to ask a couple of store owners I know... let's see if I get an answer.

Well the quick and dirty way is - what online stores are in Sweden? Do they have a uniform GW discount?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education

Doesn't sound free at all But I have badass health care and pay far less than what a 25% sales tax would amount to... I guess that's why I live in the world's only Superpower. *flex 'murica muscles* off topic alert! jk jk jk

Make sure you move before having kids though, 400 days paid leave (80% of salary) is a godsend I tell you, me and my wife are taking a year each!


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 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

You know what, I'm actually going to ask a couple of store owners I know... let's see if I get an answer.

Well the quick and dirty way is - what online stores are in Sweden? Do they have a uniform GW discount?

Yeah most have 10%, never seen more except for preorders.


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Sent an FB to a couple of people, very interested to see what reply I get.

 Mymearan wrote:

Yeah most have 10%, never seen more except for preorders.


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Sent an FB to a couple of people, very interested to see what reply I get.

I would guess the MAP for Sweden and that area is 10% then. I have a question - is your sales tax included in prices like the UK (where you see an item with an MSRP £50 which includes 21% VAT) or is it like the US (where you see an item with an MSRP of $50, but does not include sales tax)
If it's included in MSRP I could see the margins being thinner in order to have lower MSRP numbers.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
My FLGS told me margins are like 15% for her, don't know if that's actually true. She was saying there's basically no profit in selling GW stuff. Of course we have 25% sales tax. The highest discount you can get in Sweden is 10%, with 15% for preorders in one of the biggest online stores. So with that said I can't imagine they're getting 50% off normal stock.

That margin sounds highly suspect and probably used as an excuse to not provide a discount.
But 25% sales tax is gross. I hate paying 5.3%.

In Spain we have a 21% Sales Tax (10% for basic products like food, etc...), and we have nowhere near the same public services as Sweden
Is very sad when you are gonna buy something and you see how a 1000€ becomes 1200€ after taxation.

We should probably can the tax talk, I think Mymearan and I are already way off topic as it is with the GW trade account rates

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Where you seen in the UK that does 25% off? Best I've seen from somewhere reliable is 20% off. I used to be able to get 30% off from a well known (to Dakka) store that went bad, rising to 35% off from a seller who used to break up sets like these ones and sell the sprues separately, neither of these stores are in business anymore. Best discount is from somebody who works at GW, it was 50% last time I checked, but they can't buy in bulk for you.

TripleHelix does a 25% discount, but their Postage Prices are a little high for mainland- Europe, so you have to spend a high amount before it becomes economical compared with Wayland or even Element Games.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Where you seen in the UK that does 25% off? Best I've seen from somewhere reliable is 20% off. I used to be able to get 30% off from a well known (to Dakka) store that went bad, rising to 35% off from a seller who used to break up sets like these ones and sell the sprues separately, neither of these stores are in business anymore. Best discount is from somebody who works at GW, it was 50% last time I checked, but they can't buy in bulk for you.

Dark sphere do but no free postage

JoeRugby wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Where you seen in the UK that does 25% off? Best I've seen from somewhere reliable is 20% off. I used to be able to get 30% off from a well known (to Dakka) store that went bad, rising to 35% off from a seller who used to break up sets like these ones and sell the sprues separately, neither of these stores are in business anymore. Best discount is from somebody who works at GW, it was 50% last time I checked, but they can't buy in bulk for you.

Dark sphere do but no free postage

How you getting 25% off Dark Sphere, they are who I normally use and its 20% for me: https://www.darksphere.co.uk/c.php?c=108

Galas wrote:TripleHelix does a 25% discount, but their Postage Prices are a little high for mainland- Europe, so you have to spend a high amount before it becomes economical compared with Wayland or even Element Games.

Are they reliable? How long they been going?

I don't know, I never have buy from them because the postage prices are very high for Spain
But they seem to be reliable. They don't offer free shipping costs tought, and I don't know how are they shipping costs inside UK, so maybe if they are more expensive is better to buy from other store with a 20% discount and better postage prices.

 Looky Likey wrote:

Galas wrote:TripleHelix does a 25% discount, but their Postage Prices are a little high for mainland- Europe, so you have to spend a high amount before it becomes economical compared with Wayland or even Element Games.

Are they reliable? How long they been going?

They're OK - they don't hold much stock so delivery can take a little while. They've been around for a while - quick look at my emails says 2014.

If your ordering for delivery its 25% or if your spending over £100 collection.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Yeah most have 10%, never seen more except for preorders.


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Sent an FB to a couple of people, very interested to see what reply I get.

I would guess the MAP for Sweden and that area is 10% then. I have a question - is your sales tax included in prices like the UK (where you see an item with an MSRP £50 which includes 21% VAT) or is it like the US (where you see an item with an MSRP of $50, but does not include sales tax)
If it's included in MSRP I could see the margins being thinner in order to have lower MSRP numbers.

Sales tax is always included yeah, since it’s the same in the whole country. Also sales tax is charged in all parts of the production chain, unlike in the US where I think it’s only on retail? I don’t know what the point is since businesses get those 25% back anyway, while obviously retail customers don’t.

Edit: you’re right, sorry for OT!

 ZergSmasher wrote:
The only one of the battleforces that remotely interests me is the Tau one, and even that one is kinda meh for me as I don't really need more Stealth suits. Another Ghostkeel would be nice, as would a Commander and more Crisis suits. Of course, if it turns out that Stealth suits are amazeballs when the Tau codex drops...

To be fair, Stealth Suits are actually pretty great right now. They're the only battlesuit we have other than Commanders that aren't overpriced. T4, 2W, 3+ with a permanent -1 to hit, able to infiltrate, have the INFANTRY keyword so they actually can benefit from cover, plus the ability to take a support system and have 1 FB per 3 suits is pretty awesome. A unit of 6 with 2 FBs, 4 BCs w/ ATS, and a Shas'Vre is about 230 points and is an extremely tough nut to crack if you deploy them midfield in cover. I've personally had a ton of success with them in 8th.

The Tau box is a definite purchase for me, nothing in there that I don't want (although I probably don't have much a need for a 4th Ghostkeel lol).

Any word of a Dark Eldar Battleforce? I'm probably going to end up just getting a Start Collecting set for now, but if they did a Battleforce that included Wyches i'd go for it.

 zend wrote:
Any word of a Dark Eldar Battleforce? I'm probably going to end up just getting a Start Collecting set for now, but if they did a Battleforce that included Wyches i'd go for it.

Wyches used to be in all of the de boxes and bundles. But they were terrible before, and i have had tragic results trying to run them in 8th as is. And comparing a succubus to an eviseror assassin is enough to make one cry.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 zend wrote:
Any word of a Dark Eldar Battleforce? I'm probably going to end up just getting a Start Collecting set for now, but if they did a Battleforce that included Wyches i'd go for it.

Wyches used to be in all of the de boxes and bundles. But they were terrible before, and i have had tragic results trying to run them in 8th as is. And comparing a succubus to an eviseror assassin is enough to make one cry.

I'm only getting Wyches because I like the models I want to run a kill team of them in Shadow War. For playing 8th Ed I planned on sticking with mainly Kabal/Haemonculi units anyways because Wych Cult units don't seem very good atm, but I figure I should wait to see if there's a Battleforce before I buy anything.

Though if they do a Battleforce that's pretty much the current Army Bundle but a tad cheaper, i'll nab that since I need the contents for sure, and then use the tiny bit of savings towards a box of Wyches. As it is the Army Bundle is actually a little bit more expensive than what I can get the individual components for.

 Looky Likey wrote:

JoeRugby wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Where you seen in the UK that does 25% off? Best I've seen from somewhere reliable is 20% off. I used to be able to get 30% off from a well known (to Dakka) store that went bad, rising to 35% off from a seller who used to break up sets like these ones and sell the sprues separately, neither of these stores are in business anymore. Best discount is from somebody who works at GW, it was 50% last time I checked, but they can't buy in bulk for you.

Dark sphere do but no free postage

How you getting 25% off Dark Sphere, they are who I normally use and its 20% for me: https://www.darksphere.co.uk/c.php?c=108

Every single item on that page you linked has a 25% discount marked as the “dispatch price” - this is what they charge for online orders. They then add shipping on top so the overall discount is typically about 22% depending on method. Of course if you choose to pay courier delivery for a single pot of paint you’re not going to save anything…
Also, and sorry for sounding like a shill, if you spend over £100 in one online transaction store pickup is free and 25% off, which is great if you live in London….
Full disclosure, I’ve been using DS since they were Miniatures by Post back in ‘04 and been pretty happy with them all over, though their website could do with a few technical updates.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I got my hands on a gift guide today, so here's the listing:
Genestealer Cults Insurrection
32 models
1x Goliath
1x Broodcoven
1x Neophyte Hybrid box
1x Neophyte Hybrid Squad(10 Cadians, 1 Cadian Heavy Weapons Team, 1 Genestealer Cult Upgrade Frame)
1x Acolyte Hybrid Box

T'au Empire Rapid Insertion Cadre
24 models
1x Commander in Crisis Suit
1x Ghostkeel
1x Crisis Suit Team
2x Stealth Suit Teams

Astra Militarum Battlegroup
31 models
1x Leman Russ Battle Tank
1x Sentinel
1x Chimera
1x Cadian Command Squad
2x Cadian Shock Troops boxes
1x Ogryn box

Orks Kult of Speed
22 models
1x Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun
1x box of Bikers
1x Battlewagon
1x Trukk
1x Ork Boyz box
1x Ork Lootas box

Kharadron Overlords Sky Fleet
16 models
1x Frigate
1x Gunhauler
1x Admiral
1x box of Arkanaut Company
1x box of Endrinriggers

Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
2x boxes of Vanguard Raptors(6 models per box; the birds count)
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
1x Gryph-Hounds box

Tzeentch Arcanites Changecult
47 models
2x Skyfire boxes
1x box of Kairic Acolytes
2x boxes of Tzaangor
1x Shaman

Blade of the Blood Queen
34 models
1x Mortarch
1 box of Morghast
1x box of Skeletons
1x Wight King
1x box of Grave Guard

Can someone update the OP with this listing and prices? Took me a while to find the relevant info ITT

GSC is quite tempting.....

Ah screw it. I've been toying with the idea of doing the Vanguard Chamber for Stormcast. Getting this with an independents discount is just too convenient. Now I just have to find a way to get Neave cheaply.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ah screw it. I've been toying with the idea of doing the Vanguard Chamber for Stormcast. Getting this with an independents discount is just too convenient. Now I just have to find a way to get Neave cheaply.

She's going to be released separate to the Blight Wars box at some point.

Although I will say that the Blight Wars box isn't a bad way to do a Vanguard Chamber as well, assuming you sell the Nurgle half.

Yeah, sell the nurgle. Just the guy on the Snail is sell by something like 30-40€. Like, near half of the cost of the box from GW.

Wondering if the Overlord box is any good. Most lists I've seen don't seem to have more than one of the ships.

 plastictrees wrote:
Wondering if the Overlord box is any good. Most lists I've seen don't seem to have more than one of the ships.

Most lists seem to bring an Ironclad which is pretty points-heavy. and Thunderers.

This box has neither of those.

By unrelated but has there been any news about a start collecting or battle force for brayherds?

plessiez wrote:
By unrelated but has there been any news about a start collecting or battle force for brayherds?

Nothing yet. Not even a thing about an army book for them as yet.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/19/coming-soon-new-battleforces-christmas-chapter-approved-new-varnish/

Official confirmation for those that are interested.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/19/coming-soon-new-battleforces-christmas-chapter-approved-new-varnish/

Official confirmation for those that are interested.

Because the official GW gift guides weren't enough official confirmation?

I have to revise the Stormcast one though:
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
1x box of Vanguard Raptors
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
2x Gryph-Hounds box

That's a LOT of Gryph-Hounds...

Who doesn’t love crazy mutant squawk-puppies? Eh? Nobody, that’s who.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/19/coming-soon-new-battleforces-christmas-chapter-approved-new-varnish/

Official confirmation for those that are interested.

Because the official GW gift guides weren't enough official confirmation?

I have to revise the Stormcast one though:
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
1x box of Vanguard Raptors
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
2x Gryph-Hounds box

That's a LOT of Gryph-Hounds...

This is the internet, and we're talking about GW. Literally nothing is ever official confirmation, and even if it is we will argue that it is not unless it is the worst thing to ever happen to the wargaming hobby in which case it is always official no matter what the source.

Also, not enough Gryph-Hounds. Never enough Gryph-Hounds. Gryph-Hounds solo army when?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Who doesn’t love crazy mutant squawk-puppies? Eh? Nobody, that’s who.

I think I might steal that for my forum signature. Exalted!

Let's hope they actually produce more than last year when it was almost impossible to get these except direct and there's no way I'm buying without my 20% discount, it would all but wipe out the benefit. Element had about 3 of each one last year and put them on sale on a table first come first served. I can't believe they're preorder now with Necromunda and the 40K Open Day. I will have to look extremely carefully at my finances before I can consider one sadly.


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Any word on price yet? Usually got pricing by now. Last year they were £100. At that price they are great.

Price is listed right in the ad

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/19/coming-soon-new-battleforces-christmas-chapter-approved-new-varnish/

Official confirmation for those that are interested.

Because the official GW gift guides weren't enough official confirmation?

I have to revise the Stormcast one though:
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
1x box of Vanguard Raptors
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
2x Gryph-Hounds box

That's a LOT of Gryph-Hounds...

Well, given that the official GW gift guide was evidently wrong about the contents of the Stormcast box, I guess it really isn't enough confirmation.

 Bi'ios wrote:
Price is listed right in the ad

Not for the UK it isn't.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/19/coming-soon-new-battleforces-christmas-chapter-approved-new-varnish/

Official confirmation for those that are interested.

Because the official GW gift guides weren't enough official confirmation?

I have to revise the Stormcast one though:
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood
32 models
1x box of Vanguard Raptors
1x Lord-Aquilor
1x Vanguard Hunters box
1x Vanguard Palladors box
2x Gryph-Hounds box

That's a LOT of Gryph-Hounds...

Well, given that the official GW gift guide was evidently wrong about the contents of the Stormcast box, I guess it really isn't enough confirmation.

Just so we're clear, the gift guide didn't have any listings.

It had a picture. It was still a small picture.

 mould2k wrote:

 Bi'ios wrote:
Price is listed right in the ad

Not for the UK it isn't.

There's an image on one of these pages with the UK price at £100.

Always wanted to do an all suit army for Tau so this box may be the start of that.

 mould2k wrote:

 Bi'ios wrote:
Price is listed right in the ad

Not for the UK it isn't.

My thoughts exactly, there are the boxes on Warhammer Community but no prices.

Thanks for the £100 tip off. I'll work out the savings now!


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On my usual Element Games prices at their discount for the box I save £50 on the IG box. Wow!

Yeah it's not a bad saving, I've just had my birthday and have a bit of cash to spend. I'll probably get a couple of the IG boxes as I'm after more sentinels, ogryns and chimeras, more troops are never a bad thing and I'll use the Leman Russ's to make variants that aren't the battle cannon.

I checked the savings, each one averages around £130-150 at rrp so £30-50 saving at £100 price,

However the exception is the undead box because you can get neferata and the grave guard in start collecting and get the knights....so if you bought start collecting, then the rest, you don't save much.

I'm tempted by the kharadon overlords one......

Similar, I have no Chimeras (though there isn't really room in my case for more vehicles) gonna build the Leman Russ as a plasmacutioner, build Bullgryns for melee (though really expensive for my mostly vehicle army so wont field them often, I would prefer Crusaders but they've been perma out of stock), I have 3 sentinels already waiting to build so will build either 3 scout and 1 armoured or vice versa and the Cadians just build up in to more troops as I'm trying to slowly build an infantry brigade up though I would prefer some HW teams.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I checked the savings, each one averages around £130-150 at rrp so £30-50 saving at £100 price,

However the exception is the undead box because you can get neferata and the grave guard in start collecting and get the knights....so if you bought start collecting, then the rest, you don't save much.

I'm tempted by the kharadon overlords one......

You get a Mortarch in the Start Collectings, same as here. There's 3 of 'em all told and they don't hold back any pieces in the SC so you don't hurt for them.

Also, none of the "Start Collecting" sets include Grave Guard. They include Skeleton Warriors in the Deathrattle one. The "big savings" here is that you get a box of Morghast that is basically the cost of the savings(you save $75.50 versus buying everything individually and Morghast are $60 for 2. The savings is more/less the Morghast and Wight King on foot).

Now, if you want to do pure Deathrattle? There's better ways to do it. Buy 2-3x Deathrattle Barrow Lords sets at $65 each and you get 20-30 Grave Guard, 2-3 Wight Kings, and 10-15 Black Knights.
That comes out to $267 individually versus 195 for those boxes.
Use the difference($72) to buy Skeleton Warrior boxes and you have a pretty nifty set-up.

Man, I feel like the GSC and AM boxes would make for a pretty good start to a mechanized GSC list. The only odd thing out would be the Ogryn. Maybe add an extra arm and some green stuff and call them Abberants. Hmm.

Or play them as Ogryns by the Broodbrother rules.

Ooh, I forgot about that! Now to come up with 360 something odd dollars. XD

Hmm I tried a few of my usual online retailers and it seems that, in the UK, these are severely limited outside of the biggest online retailers and GW themselves....

With undead, Grave Guard are one of the allies boxes, I worked out that from a 20% off retailer you could get the content of the undead battleforce plus two lots of cavalry for about £2 more than the GW price for the box.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hmm I tried a few of my usual online retailers and it seems that, in the UK, these are severely limited outside of the biggest online retailers and GW themselves....

Well yeah. Because it's a splash release, not a regular stock item.

They do this every year with these big boxes.

With undead, Grave Guard are one of the allies boxes, I worked out that from a 20% off retailer you could get the content of the undead battleforce plus two lots of cavalry for about £2 more than the GW price for the box.

lol?

So you get a Deathrattle Barrow Lords set(40GBP from GW;32GBP from a discounter) for a box of 10 Grave Guard, the Wight King, and a set of Black Knights.
You then get a Start Collecting: Skeleton Horde(50GBP from GW, 40 GBP from a discounter) for a box of 10 Skeletons, Mortarch, and a second set of Black Knights.
You then are paying 15.50 GBP(12.40 discounted) for a second set of Skeleton Warriors, 25.50GBP(20.40 discounted) for a second box of Grave Guard, and 36 GBP(28.8 discounted) for the Morghast.

Discounted price is 133.60 GBP for the way you suggested things. The GW price of the army box is 100GBP from what's been said(which lines up with the 170 USD price tag).
That's a bit more than 2 more than the GW price for the box...

This box only has 10 Grave Guard, not 20. And it has no Black Knights. If you buy the Narrow Lords and the SC! one you are basically changing the two Morghast and 10 more skeletons for 10 Black Knights. For nearly the same price of buying this boxes from 3rd party. But to be honest if I wish to start a skeleton army I'll buy the three boxes.

You end with 2 Mortharcs, 2 Morghast, 10 Knights, 30 normal Skeletons, 20 Grave Guard and two Kings for something like 150-160 pounds.

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

This box only has 10 Grave Guard, not 20. And it has no Black Knights. If you buy the Narrow Lords and the SC! one you are basically changing the two Morghast and 10 more skeletons for 10 Black Knights. For nearly the same price of buying this boxes from 3rd party. But to be honest if I wish to start a skeleton army I'll buy the three boxes.

You end with 2 Mortharcs, 2 Morghast, 10 Knights, 30 normal Skeletons, 20 Grave Guard and two Kings for something like 150-160 pounds.

You're right, I don't know why I kept thinking 20 Grave Guard.

Corrected accordingly, you're looking at 113.20GBP for buying stuff individually versus 100GBP for the box.

Must have missed a £10 somewhere....... Though the extra £13 is buying you 2 sets of 5 cavalry which cost more than that discounted for one set.

Last year quite a few online stores had the sets, they sold out fast obviously but they had them to begin with, this year some I asked are saying they didn't even get the chance to get them.

I'll see, I was planning on getting 2 Kharadon and selling the second lord, but at full price I'm less enthused about 2 grundstok and having to sell the lord, which in turn makes me less bothered as you need a second battle line unit to make the box legal if you buy one, and you don't have the transport capacity in one box for that second unit...... a company and a frigate are about £63 at discount,.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Must have missed a £10 somewhere....... Though the extra £13 is buying you 2 sets of 5 cavalry which cost more than that discounted for one set.

The problem is that from what I'm understanding of your proposal, you seem to be ignoring that these discount sets are meant to be more of a one-off or start of an army than they are a "booster" for existing players. I'm really not sure why you would buy 2 sets of 5 cavalry when there are 2 discount boxes that have them and components for the big box if you're trying to duplicate it.

Last year quite a few online stores had the sets, they sold out fast obviously but they had them to begin with, this year some I asked are saying they didn't even get the chance to get them.

I can't be too upset about that. Purely online shops should, quite bluntly, be at the back of the queue for these things.

I'll see, I was planning on getting 2 Kharadon and selling the second lord, but at full price I'm less enthused about 2 grundstok and having to sell the lord, which in turn makes me less bothered as you need a second battle line unit to make the box legal if you buy one, and you don't have the transport capacity in one box for that second unit...... a company and a frigate are about £63 at discount,.

It's worth mentioning that the Age of Sigmar boxes contain a Warscroll Battalion in them.

Ok....So I ordered the blades of the blood queen watchmacallit and got it for 133 usd and free shipping I added up all that to the cart on the gw store and it came out to be 265usd (sales tax)

That 132 dollar savings...that's kinda damn impressive...

Is my math wrong some how?

The set is
1 Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
1 Morghast Archai
1 Grave Guard
2 Skeleton Warriors
1 Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade

Just been to my local GW and asked for a couple of the Cadian boxes to be ordered in for me. The pre-order starts tomorrow, so I couldn't pay yet.

Do we know if these will be direct-only, please?

 Slinky wrote:
Do we know if these will be direct-only, please?

It does not seem like they will be but, as I've mentioned repeatedly, these boxes tend to be splash releases so are only available for a certain amount of time.

 rayphoton wrote:
Ok....So I ordered the blades of the blood queen watchmacallit and got it for 133 usd and free shipping I added up all that to the cart on the gw store and it came out to be 265usd (sales tax)

That 132 dollar savings...that's kinda damn impressive...

Is my math wrong some how?

The set is
1 Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
1 Morghast Archai
1 Grave Guard
2 Skeleton Warriors
1 Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade

When I added it up I got $245 but it still sounds like a great deal especially if you already have knights.

 rayphoton wrote:
Ok....So I ordered the blades of the blood queen watchmacallit and got it for 133 usd and free shipping I added up all that to the cart on the gw store and it came out to be 265usd (sales tax)

That 132 dollar savings...that's kinda damn impressive...

where'd ya order from?

 Slinky wrote:
Do we know if these will be direct-only, please?

I was speaking to Element Games on Facebook earlier in the week and they said they should be getting them in. They didn't say how much stock however.

ordered one from Element this morning, £80, It looks like they had an allocation of around 100 and they are down to around 70 on Astra and Genestealer and 85 on Ork/Tau.

Ordered a genestealer one from Element as well. Really had no need for one but looking forward to painting them and will be a good start for a Necromunda gang once the cult rules are released.

The search bar and checkout options on the Element website never show up on my browser, which is why I shop elsewhere I guess!

Picked up a couple of Battleforces from Darksphere, I'm getting the impression that GW have produced more stock this year.

Same ordered 2 overlords from element without a problem , looks like they got most of the non GW stock?

 judgedoug wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
Ok....So I ordered the blades of the blood queen watchmacallit and got it for 133 usd and free shipping I added up all that to the cart on the gw store and it came out to be 265usd (sales tax)

That 132 dollar savings...that's kinda damn impressive...

where'd ya order from?

The warstore

The Tzeentch Arkanites Changecult is interesting, is there any UK retailer that still offer free shipping to the EU? I'm not gonna pay 108£(1200 Sek) for it but might be tempted at 80£.

My usual store just told me that the stock, that was available for order for stores - was depleted. In Europe anyway.

I'm very on the fence about ordering a second Vanguard box. As everything I want to finish the army is in there (minus the second Lord Aquilor and Gryph-hounds, but I can sell those) but I hate having a pile of stuff waiting to be done. Plus it is an extra £80 at Christmas time. Decisions...

With discount (and even without) these box-sets do offer very good value for money. 80 quid for a sizeable force with a good range of miniatures. Nice work GW. Time to start a new army.