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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Now Live https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/hate?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=hate
HATE Is Coming Exclusively To Kickstarter
From the minds that brought you Zombicide and Massive Darkness, comes an all new world of violence and survival unlike any you’ve seen before: HATE, inspired by Adrian Smith’s Chronicles of HATE graphic novel series. Guillotine Games and CMON’s new game comes exclusively to Kickstarter on January 16, 2018 at 3:00PM EST.
HATE Is Coming Exclusively To Kickstarter
HATE is our first Kickstarter exclusive project, so we’ve put together a FAQ to help our fans and retailers.
What is HATE?
Read our game overview here. Follow us on Facebook for more previews as we get closer to launch.
If HATE is Kickstarter exclusive, does that mean I can’t buy it anywhere else?
Yes and no. HATE will not be regularly available through traditional channels after the Kickstarter; however, it is available as normal to our CMON Play retail members (and thus their customers) through the Kickstarter retail pledge; and it will be available at conventions CMON attends while supplies last.
I’m a retailer, and want to carry HATE at my store. How can I do that?
In early 2017, CMON launched the CMON Play program in North America, allowing members and their customers to take part in our Kickstarters by offering them full access to the campaign, including all Kickstarter exclusives and add-ons. The HATE Kickstarter campaign will be no different.
If you want to carry HATE in your store but you’re not a CMON Play member, please read more about the program here or contact us at cmonplay@cmon.com for more information.
When the HATE Kickstarter launches January 16 at 3:00PM EST, we will begin accepting retail pledges through a special email address opened at that time and announced on www.cmon.com/play
Will HATE be available in multiple languages?
No. HATE will only be offered in English through the Kickstarter campaign. However, like CMON’s other campaigns, anyone in the world can support the campaign and receive the game.
Why is HATE Kickstarter exclusive?
Our ultimate goal with HATE is to offer a game that remains as true as possible to the source material: Adrian Smith’s Chronicles of HATE graphic novels. As you might guess from the name, the world of HATE is not a happy or peaceful one and includes a lot of mature content. We know not everyone will find this type of experience pleasant, so instead of stripping out the atmosphere, we are going direct to those who will want this type of gaming experience, including our retailers through CMON Play.
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Post by: DeffDred
So... What is this? A card game? A board game? A miniatures game?
I have enjoyed Adrian Smiths artwork in the past but rarely venture outside of GW these days.
If you can't be bothered to at least discribe what your trying to sell (other than some kind of game based on a graphic novel), you can't really expect others to be bothered to look it up.
I assume 18+ just means boobs?
Is this another KD:M kind of thing?
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Post by: Yodhrin
Yeah, I've been really looking forward to this, but that excuse for making it exclusive is garbo.
I mean seriously, a lot of the stores that would be retailing this if it went on general sale would be selling the actual HATE graphic novels on the shelf next to them, the idea they had to choose between exclusivity or toning down the mature content is nonsense on toast.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
In HATE: The Board Game, you’ll need to rely on your Warriors during Clashes. They can earn bonuses based on their positions on the battlefield. Their strength and skill in battle can be developed over time, but their bloodlust is something innate that can’t be taught. They’ll need it if your Tribe is to win. Today, we get our first look at one of the Warriors from the Um'Gra Tribe.
Automatically Appended Next Post:  Yodhrin wrote:Yeah, I've been really looking forward to this, but that excuse for making it exclusive is garbo.
I mean seriously, a lot of the stores that would be retailing this if it went on general sale would be selling the actual HATE graphic novels on the shelf next to them, the idea they had to choose between exclusivity or toning down the mature content is nonsense on toast.
I suspect both you and CMON are partly right, some retail stores would have trouble displaying/selling this, but a lot would have no issues with them
I think it's probably a combinations of seeing how the market responds to a KS only (plus their pledge through your gamestore thing) and perhaps not expecting this to do so well at retail (I wonder how The Others faired, perhaps not as well as expected), and retail getting fed up with the flood of new big box games and not being willing to order big until they see sales which means CMON has dead stock sitting about that stays there if the game isn't well received.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Well, I googled "Adrian Smith’s Chronicles of HATE" and I can't tell the results apart from Warhammer art.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
This is one of those deals where we buy a new army, we get a board game to go with it, right?
I'm not too surprised by the exclusiveness of it. I have a feeling SMOG might be headed down a similar path.
But with the graphic novels being an actual thing, it seems kinda silly to do it that way.
Regardless I'm interested if the price is right and there's lots of neat sculpts. There's all sorts of interesting looking people that show up in the graphic novels.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
"Yes and no. HATE will not be regularly available through traditional channels after the Kickstarter; however, it is available as normal to our CMON Play retail members (and thus their customers) through the Kickstarter retail pledge; and it will be available at conventions CMON attends while supplies last."
God frckn damn it.
I guess I`m out.
1) I don`t want to pay for a game and wait for a it for a year and a half to arrive.
2) This is pretty bad for Brick and Mortar sstores, isn`t it?
3)Why is HATE Kickstarter exclusive? Because that`s the safest buisness model with nearly zero risks and more gain from hype and inability for people and retailers to buy it later- we`re like hostages buy now, OR NEVER AGAIN, LAST CHANCE HAHA, that`s why
When will CMON move on to normal selling methods?
Sigh///
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Post by: JSG
All CMON games are kickstarter exclusive outside of USA anyway.
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Post by: Yodhrin
JSG wrote:All CMON games are kickstarter exclusive outside of USA anyway.
That's not correct at all, but even if it were, even paying the exorbitant shipping & customs charges for a copy to be sent from a US retailer is far, far, far cheaper than the grotesque prices "kickstarter exclusive" products command on the secondary market(ie, ebay). If someone can't go in on the campaign they won't be able to find this for less than quadruple the KS price and likely a whole lot more. It's bad enough when they keep whole expansions for board games as "exclusives", doing it for the whole game is practically holding the damn thing hostage.
 lord_blackfang wrote:Well, I googled "Adrian Smith’s Chronicles of HATE" and I can't tell the results apart from Warhammer art.
That's exactly why I was interested, it's basically a Chaos Marauders warband in a box. To be honest though I might pass just because of how gakky CMoN are being.
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Post by: ScarletRose
Wow, at first glance I misread the title and thought this was about hating CMON's kickstarter.
I haven't read the graphic novel but judging by the sculpt posted this is some kind of post-apocalyptic Mad Max style thing?
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't know much about this (though I'm certainly interested!), but I do know I'm glad that Orlando has 'volunteered' to keep the thread active during the campaign! 
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Post by: Nostromodamus
 ScarletRose wrote:Wow, at first glance I misread the title and thought this was about hating CMON's kickstarter.
Well that’s the route things seem to be taking 
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Post by: Albertorius
JSG wrote:All CMON games are kickstarter exclusive outside of USA anyway.
Hm, no, they're not. Edge Entertainment does a lot of them over here.
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't think he was being 100% serious - and/or it was a 'price commentary thing based on taxes/fees/shipping.
You know, a kinda/sorta LULZ post.
Maybe?
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Post by: Necros
I'm calling it now. There's gonna be a lot of Hate in this thread.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Alpharius wrote:I don't know much about this (though I'm certainly interested!), but I do know I'm glad that Orlando has 'volunteered' to keep the thread active during the campaign!
I shall indeed make a vague attempt to keep this one rolling on (especially if I decide to back but i'm uncertain if it's my thing gameplay wise since they've not leaked much, or if I have any money to spend on it) Automatically Appended Next Post: I've dug into the dedicated facebook page   by Remy Tremblay & shared on the facebook page so maybe one of the minis  well this one clearly is
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Post by: Illumini
Nice looking chaos minis
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Post by: Yodhrin
Alpharius wrote:I don't think he was being 100% serious - and/or it was a 'price commentary thing based on taxes/fees/shipping.
You know, a kinda/sorta LULZ post.
Maybe?
It wasn't a very good lulz post then, I bought Blood Rage off UK Amazon like two months ago, you can buy CMoN boardgames in most places you can buy other boardgames over here. Hence why their choice to make this KS exclusive is so galling.
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Post by: Binabik15
There are many, many awesome designs in HATE. They blur together a bit as a mass of spiky evil, but that's okay. The giants seem like ace models, too.
I hope this is more like Blood Rage in terms of investment (and great gameplay!) instead of a bazillion add-ons and heros. Affordable, everything will see play and easy to store without a shelf of its own.
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Post by: JSG
 Albertorius wrote:JSG wrote:All CMON games are kickstarter exclusive outside of USA anyway.
Hm, no, they're not. Edge Entertainment does a lot of them over here.
Fair enough. I stand corrected.
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Post by: RiTides
Those poses seem quite static so far...
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Post by: Alpharius
One Piece Boardgame Plastics probably push things more in that direction then not, but they look good to me.
Especially the 'giants'.
They are giants, right?
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Post by: Ernster
I will be pledging. These look good. I'm sure the Buy in will be around $120. It is a New Year though so maybe $140.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Do we know how they will look next to other CMON minis, such as Rising Sun, Blood Rage or ASOIAF? They don't look like they would fit stylistically with the minis designed by the French artist behind Zombicide and WoK, for example.
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Post by: Z-Ray
Black Plague has an Adrian Smith guest artist box featuring characters from his graphic novel (or stylistically identical to them)
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
HATE: The Um'Gra Tribe At the end of the old world, those who survived were scattered like dust all over the Earth. The weak were quickly picked off and turned into servants or sport for the mighty. Over time, small families formed, leading to groups of people settling together. As trust grew, so did the gatherings of people. Thus, Tribes were formed. These small communities were necessary to keep people safe. Members would fight and die with their Tribe mates, and while trust was necessary within the confines of the Village walls, outside strangers were treated with brutality. You’re one of us, or you’re dead.  The Um’Gra were one of the first groups to form a Tribe. They were brought together by a love of inflicting pain, and it wasn’t long before the reputation of the Um’Gra spread far and wide. They dominated any Tribe they came across and were rulers… for a time. No one Tribe can stay at the top forever, and though fearless, the Um’Gra are not immune to the toll of war. Though they’ve been dethroned as the dominant Tribe in the world, the Um’Gra Tribe members come from a long line of warlords. They revel in spilling blood, embrace causing pain, and kill as naturally as taking a breath. They’ve tasted what it’s like to be on top, and will stop at nothing to regain their throne. The Um’Gra Tribe is reckless. They fear nothing, and that’s both their greatest asset and their biggest weakness. This Tribe will tackle any challenge without concerning themselves with trivialities, like the likelihood of death. The Um’Gra are never happier than when they’re covered in blood, hacking away at whatever meat was foolish enough to face them on the field of battle. In HATE, players will be able to lead the Um’Gra Tribe in a series of Clashes. Over the course of a complete game or Chronicle, the Tribe’s 11 members will develop their skills and become fiercer warriors, but they may also gain scars that handicap them in future battles. What happens on the battlefield and within the walls of the Village, echo throughout the entire game. HATE is coming to Kickstarter on January 16 at 3 PM EST. Follow the HATE Facebook page for regular updates, including art, miniatures, and articles.
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Post by: JSG
I hope we get a tyrant riding his armoured yak. The twins would be nice as a tribe leader too. Also, the guy in the middle of the group shot seems to have some crescent moons on him. Maybe we'll get followers of the earth goddess as a faction.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Earth Goddess followers have to be in. They're a big part of the story!
I too am hoping for some mounted guys. Plenty of burly dudes riding on giant lizard things in the backgrounds of some of those battles....
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 a good comparison of how well the original sculpts have translated (pretty well, but clearly not as nicely as if they'd been resin)
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Post by: ced1106
Any news on how the game plays and who the designers are? TIA!
EDIT: Guillotine Games. Eh.
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Post by: JSG
These look great but would it kill the sculptors to compensate for the pvc shrinkage on the weapons? I mean, how many of these games have they done now?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I've not seen anything
but since they were showing previews (of the minis at the very least) at recent shows if anybody who saw them could comment it would be useful?
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Post by: Yodhrin
It's base sizes on those previews I'd like to know - the Blood Rage models were surprisingly titchy when I got hold of them in person because their proportions made me think they were on 30mm bases but they were actually much closer to 25mm.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'd be very surprised if the went up a base size, as it means less space in the tool
(and you have to make even bigger monsters to make them look impressive, and they had enough complaints about non small monsters about the elementals box that was so unpopular during Massive Darkness that the decided not to send it to retail as originally planned and that was vs pretty small 25mm based dwarves & orcs ),
but I'll be sure to ask when the campaign goes live
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Post by: Moopy
On Facebook they said about 32 mm
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Post by: streetsamurai
GOt no interest in this game, but this is an exceptional mini
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Post by: antohammer
But..... is this a wargame like warhammer or a classical boardgame like Zombicide? I didnt understand it...
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Post by: Necros
Minis are looking good, would be great if I was a chaos player. Are they showing the PVC samples or resin masters?
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Post by: JSG
 Necros wrote:Minis are looking good, would be great if I was a chaos player. Are they showing the PVC samples or resin masters?
Resin. Though PVC is surprisingly good on larger minis.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
In fairness, CMON using Ludofact has got the PVC minis down to really good standards. Not HIPS, but easily the best boardgame minis in my opinion.
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Post by: willb2064
 MrDwhitey wrote:In fairness, CMON using Ludofact has got the PVC minis down to really good standards. Not HIPS, but easily the best boardgame minis in my opinion.
Agreed, better than WMH or Mantic PVC IMO
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Post by: Moopy
I love all the figures, but all the tribes look too similar to each other. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were all from the same group instead of separate ones.
The only major difference is one tribe has two handed axes while the other tribe has two single handed weapons.
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Post by: JSG
 Moopy wrote:I love all the figures, but all the tribes look too similar to each other. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were all from the same group instead of separate ones.
The only major difference is one tribe has two handed axes while the other tribe has two single handed weapons.
I suspect they'll be in different coloured plastics like rising sun.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
don't l;ike this one sculpt wise
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Post by: Theophony
I’m not feeling many of the sculpts. But then again I don’t have a plan to build a new chaos army anytime soon. Guess I’ll save some money for the next Kickstarter.
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Post by: JSG
Um'Rak Youngblood.
I'm liking how chunky some of these sculpts are given they'll be PVC. Automatically Appended Next Post: 
Another Um'Rak warrior I think.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Are these guys supposed to be from different clans? They all look so similar. The campaign must really be targeted for a very specific niche within miniature boardgame collectors.
Also, for the last few HATE guys, I can't help but see this:
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Is that a game component or some sort of fetish contraption?
Fun for the whole family? ....Just what have you been doing at home lately, Mr. Inquisitor?
Have any of the clans for these latest sculpts been mentioned?
I don't remember the clans having very distinct looks in the books though either...
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
These latest ones are Um'rak, as opposed to the Um'gra from earlier.
I must say, that's going to get very confusing for me.
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Post by: Fafnir
They all look like Chaos Marauders to me.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Is that a game component or some sort of fetish contraption?
Fun for the whole family? ....Just what have you been doing at home lately, Mr. Inquisitor?
Have any of the clans for these latest sculpts been mentioned?
I don't remember the clans having very distinct looks in the books though either...
Behind the model in the pictures there’s a really subtle logo which I’m guessing shows which Clan they’re from. Very easy to miss though.
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Post by: Illumini
For use as marauders, it is great that they all look similar
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
Well, the designs got boring quickly... Rising Sun seems to be 10 times better in that regard.
I'd wager we are to see at least 15 more dudes with fat cleavers/axes, toothy grin and flesh-balaklavas
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Post by: JSG
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:Well, the designs got boring quickly... Rising Sun seems to be 10 times better in that regard.
I'd wager we are to see at least 15 more dudes with fat cleavers/axes, toothy grin and flesh-balaklavas
Rising Sun was just the weeb version of this.
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Post by: ced1106
We had these complaints for The Others as well. If the comic is confusing because of the similar designs, that could be a legitimate complaint, but I doubt Adrien Smith (sp?) had in mind a boardgame, so didn't design the art for a boardgame. Rising Sun, meanwhile, was designed as a boardgame, so the clans were designed to be distinguishable from each other. Of course, having different faction colors should make it pretty easy to tell one tribe (or whatever) from another.
Not sure if I need more miniatures (or if this KS will have many, given its limited audience), but I guess if I want any punk-apocalypse Mad Max mini's, this is about as close as it will get!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
HATE: The Um'Rak Tribe
Dec 20, 2017
When being on your own means risking brutal injury or a painful death, you work to find people you can trust. A Tribe is more than just a gathering of people, it is security against the evils of a world that would tear at your flesh off and spill your innards. Trust can mean eating another meal. Trust can mean living another day. Trust can mean slaughtering another foe.
The Um’Rak Tribe have survived for so long due to their trust for one-another. For generations, they avoided any hierarchy, eschewing leadership for a grim partnership in the business of dealing out death. This trust has lead them to success in war, and they are beginning to feel like it might be time for their Tribe to rise above the bloody rabble and sit upon a throne of skulls.
On the battlefield, the Um’Rak work together, slicing up the enemy like a well-oiled machine. Over the years, they developed attack and defense formations that are formidable for those that must face them in war.
No matter what they encounter, the Um’Rak stick together, moving as a single unit with one goal in mind: causing pain to those that would oppose them.
In HATE, players can take control of the Um’Rak Tribe as bludgeon their way through a series of Clashes. Each of the Tribe members will take on their own personalities as they gain skills and scars in their quest for dominance. If they are able to hold their formations in a Clash, the odds are in their favor. Adjacent allies are able to lend support, multiple figures may be activated at once, and best of all, single attacks may be made as a group, descending on opponents like a pack of wild dogs, ripping foes to shreds and then dining on the rewards within.
Without trust, it’s hard to be successful in most things in life. That goes doubly true for the harsh reality of this new world. There is no mercy, no empathy, no love. There is only trust, and HATE.
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Post by: Binabik15
Very same-y dudes, yeah. Most of them are kind of awesome, though. The resemblance would make using t0hem as a faction somewhere else, e.g. Blood Rage. Or goons for whstever I just hope that cleaning them up won't be totally impossible with tons of mould lines crossing tiny leather straps, chains and fur.
I need to see more giants, though.
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Post by: JSG
ced1106 wrote:We had these complaints for The Others as well. If the comic is confusing because of the similar designs, that could be a legitimate complaint, but I doubt Adrien Smith (sp?) had in mind a boardgame, so didn't design the art for a boardgame. Rising Sun, meanwhile, was designed as a boardgame, so the clans were designed to be distinguishable from each other. Of course, having different faction colors should make it pretty easy to tell one tribe (or whatever) from another.
Not sure if I need more miniatures (or if this KS will have many, given its limited audience), but I guess if I want any punk-apocalypse Mad Max mini's, this is about as close as it will get!
In the comics all the human tribes seem to be under the control of a few big rival warlords. We see two of them. Don't know if there are more. Big double cleaver guy for example is the right hand of skull skirt dude.
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Post by: Moopy
Oh cool, they have an ogre faction!
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Post by: Necros
Does anyone in this game have a normal mouth?
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
Maybe all the hate and anger is because food keeps falling out?
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Post by: Yodhrin
Toothache. All that death and chaos is just because they don't have access to modern dentistry
Seriously though that last model there is pretty cool, I just wish these were miniature sculpts that would be sold as that rather than as part of a big limited-time-only boardgame.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Wait, I've heard this story. Once they stop trying to feed themselves and start trying to feed their neighbors, all the HATE goes away.
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Post by: Clanan
Happy now?!
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Post by: Binabik15
Adrian Smith has a thing for vagina dentata mouths. Some The Others models are rocking them almost like our Um'Rak friendo. Or maybe he can't draw lips and tries to hide them like a certain comic artist does with feet
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Post by: Tiberius501
Adrian Smith has worked on Warhammer art in the past, might even still do it, so that’s probably why it looks very Warhammer. Not sure which they did first though and if GW liked his stuff and got him to do similar stuff for them or if Adrian is just into that style of art
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Post by: pancakeonions
Has there been any word on the scale of these fellows? Those are some awesome looking models - would they serve me best as human barbarians, or giant ogres????
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Post by: JSG
 Tiberius501 wrote:Adrian Smith has worked on Warhammer art in the past, might even still do it, so that’s probably why it looks very Warhammer. Not sure which they did first though and if GW liked his stuff and got him to do similar stuff for them or if Adrian is just into that style of art
Smiths been doing warhammer art since the 80's. I think it was his first professional gig.
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Post by: Moopy
 pancakeonions wrote:Has there been any word on the scale of these fellows? Those are some awesome looking models - would they serve me best as human barbarians, or giant ogres????
His answer to that (on Facebook) was about 32mm.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The Villages of HATE
Dec 19, 2017
Hate is the anger of the weak. Thus, hate thrives on the weak.
-Alphonse Daudet
Before the dark times, humans would gather in major cities around the world. In the largest, populations would soar to an excess of 20 million. You could get lost in a sea of people, just another anonymous figure walking down the street.
When the world ended, the cities were the first to fall. Massive numbers of people were wiped out in the blink of an eye. Those who survived were scattered and lost.
For generations, humans had to adapt to a nomadic lifestyle, never stopping in one place for too long. Threats would always drive them forward; either a lack of food, or something much more dangerous that threatened to crush their skulls and bathe in their blood.
Eventually, people started to settle again. They formed small groups of trustworthy allies, and societies, of a sort, began again.
The work-in-progress Village board for HATE.
These new groups of people lived in Villages. Safe enough to defend against some outside threats, but small enough that they could be left behind, should the threats ever prove too large.
In HATE, the Village is an important location, where a Tribe can recuperate and heal between battles, and feast of the flesh of fallen enemies. But even during the conflict, players will have to manage their home base and keep the fires of the Forge burning if they hope to come out on top.
A Tribe’s Village is made up of different buildings, each of which are helpful in the development of the Tribe’s members. These Villages are more than simply a gathering of homes. They are training grounds, a communal kitchen and dining hall, and a spiritual center. They are a home to the Tribe, but being taken back to an opponent’s Village promises that your last hours are spent in terror and pain.
A player’s Forge factors heavily into battles. During the game, players can use Savagery tokens in the Forge to unlock special abilities that will help unleash a berserker rage on the battlefield. While the effects are not permanent, it might be the push a Tribe needs to come out of a conflict on top. At the end of each savage encounter, the Forge is cleared. But a Tribe is an evolving life force, and certain buildings in their Village continue to contribute to their long-term development.
The Training Grounds is a place where Tribe members can hone their skills, turning them into more effective killing machines. Here, players can select new abilities to permanently attach to their characters, at least for as long as they’re alive. Each Tribe member has slots for four different skills. As they grow and develop over the course of a Chronicle, they become complete characters. Players shape them in the most useful and deadly way to mete out a bloody punishment to those that would oppose them. When they fall in battle, it’s like the loss of a family member.
The Shaman’s Hut is a place of sacrifice to the gods and mysticism. It allows players to have more control over the flow of the cards from the Tribe deck.
Over the course of numerous bloody encounters, Tribe members are going to become scarred from the war. It’s inevitable that their eyes might be gouged out, limbs cut off, or skulls cracked. As characters receive scars, they are unable to develop their skills completely. Although their technology is crude, each Village has its own doctor that can offer their medical expertise. Players can visit the Chiurgeon to remove scars from their Tribe members.
Inspiring warriors to put their life on the line isn’t always an easy task. Engaging in battle means a good chance they will die, and a certainty they will see what the insides of a human look like. They need to feel as if they’re fighting for something bigger than just themselves. The Hall of Heroes gets filled with the stories of breathtaking victories and glorious deaths. It not only helps with Tribe members, it can inspire Mercenaries to join a player’s Tribe and fight on their side. Mercenaries replace a standard Tribe member and come with unique skills already in place.
Although Villages play important roles during the heat of battle, they also promise a bloody fate for captured opponents. After each battle in HATE, players retreat to their Village. Here, they are able to lick their wounds and enjoy the spoils of war. If a player has managed to drag an opponent’s KO’d character off the battlefield, their horrible fate is decided in the Village. One thing is for sure, they will soon experience a pain no human deserves. The captured are either destined for the Oven, where they are converted into resources for the Tribe, or the Torture Pit. When an enemy Tribe member enters the Torture Pit, they become Hate (one of the currencies in the game). In either event, the character is lost forever, and their Tribe will need to start a new one from scratch. Suffice to say, players would be wise to protect the bodies of their fallen comrades on the battlefield.
The Villages in HATE are a home for a Tribe, but no location in this new world is free from violence or cruelty. Players will grow the skills, abilities, and resources of their Tribe in their Village, but it’s a dark day for those that are dragged back to an opponent’s home. Their last moments will only be filled with pain.
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Post by: DustGod
So Slipknot made a Boardgame? Lol
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
@Clanan, yes I am happy now. Thanks.
So, I'm nit a real big rules guy, but doesn't that description of the game mechanics sound like Rising Sun? Is this just a re-skin of that game?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
The healing of scars on figures makes me think that the guys on the board may be a bit more persistent than the more diplomatic style of Rising Sun. More combat oriented?
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Post by: ced1106
CMON will show off the rules, so best to wait until then.
The game designer is Guillotine Games, who designed Zombicide, The Others, and Massive Darkness. Eric Lang isn't part of their design team, but does play the game before it hits KS.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 she is the Shaman for the Um'Kator Tribe
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Post by: Binabik15
Well, she certainly does NOT look like the other minis shown so far
With this and probably Nurgle in January it'll be impossible to uphold my "no new purchases for a while" plan.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Every community wants to take care of its next generation. The Young Bloods of each Village are no different. They are the future of the Tribe, and keeping them alive and healthy is of the utmost importance. On the battlefield, they can sometimes become targets. However, they are capable of defending themselves when needed. The early training for any Tribe member begins with ranged weapons. Initiation into battle means being close enough to smell the blood, hear the screams, and see the carnage, but keeping enough distance to ensure they make it to an age when they can lead. Today, we get a look at the Young Blood of the Um'Kator Tribe.
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Post by: ScarletRose
So a ranged weapon is a ~5ft chain? The more I see of this the less I like. I'm wondering if this is going to end being something so niche only the fans of the comic will buy it.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I think the designs just need to try harder. There's more edge left.
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Post by: Illumini
ScarletRose wrote:So a ranged weapon is a ~5ft chain? The more I see of this the less I like. I'm wondering if this is going to end being something so niche only the fans of the comic will buy it.
I guess he throws it?
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
 Illumini wrote: ScarletRose wrote:So a ranged weapon is a ~5ft chain? The more I see of this the less I like. I'm wondering if this is going to end being something so niche only the fans of the comic will buy it.
I guess he throws it?
And then just stands there til the rest of the battle ends, as he is now unarmed. Or if doesn't throw, he swings the chain, and while he gets ready to swing it again- a dude with a normal weapon kills him
I know it's fantasy, but there must be some logic Lindybeige, what have you done! You've spoiled fantasy weapons for me :(
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Post by: Binabik15
I really like this Clan.
They sadly don't fit in with Warhammer stuff, but I'll make them work somehow. I'll have to check the Zombicide Hate characters to see how the PVC used works with all the fur and spikes for clean-up. If it's too much bother I'll definitly only get the base game without any add-ons.
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Post by: Barzam
I'm pretty sure I read the comic this is based on. I don't remember anything like this being in the comic.
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Post by: pancakeonions
 Binabik15 wrote:I really like this Clan.
They sadly don't fit in with Warhammer stuff, but I'll make them work somehow. I'll have to check the Zombicide Hate characters to see how the PVC used works with all the fur and spikes for clean-up. If it's too much bother I'll definitly only get the base game without any add-ons.
You don't think these guys would make awesome chaos warriors? I think they'd be fantastic sub-ins for some crazy, over the top barbarian types!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
  Um'Cal Shamen and Prince (or Princess? from the art but not the mini) Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh that's interesting, the Princes are much bigger than the normal 32mm tribesmen 
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
While I like the designs, it seems like identifying the units is going to be a nightmare. After a while all the spikes, bones, and gimp masks just merge together. If these are faction based, they need to be cast in different colored plastic. I don't think I could tell painted ones apart easily without colored ring base clips.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Didn't realize the Princes were going to end up that big. I wonder if all they've shown off so far are core sculpts too, or if stretch stuff is showing up as well.
The variety of crazy sculpts on display pleases me.
If I don't ever play it as intended, or as a Slaves to Darkness army, they're all getting put to use in Song of Blades and Heroes, or possibly the new Sellswords and Spellslingers rules Andrea's put out.
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Post by: RoninXiC
People have no problem identifying Space marines .. they are all the same just different weapons and maybe a different head -_-
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Post by: Binabik15
pancakeonions wrote: Binabik15 wrote:I really like this Clan.
They sadly don't fit in with Warhammer stuff, but I'll make them work somehow. I'll have to check the Zombicide Hate characters to see how the PVC used works with all the fur and spikes for clean-up. If it's too much bother I'll definitly only get the base game without any add-ons.
You don't think these guys would make awesome chaos warriors? I think they'd be fantastic sub-ins for some crazy, over the top barbarian types!
They would IF the models I have (the Zombicide guest artist ones) didn't look really weird and clearly done in a different design philosophy next to all GW Chaos models I have. The same scale interpreted by Remy Tremblay and GW's designers leads to vastly different things.
What I might do is a Mordheim/skirmish/whatever group using only Hate minis for Chaos. That'd work way better than mixing human-sized models. The giants will work as ogres, demon princes or giants, I think.
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Post by: Prestor Jon
Binabik15 wrote: pancakeonions wrote: Binabik15 wrote:I really like this Clan.
They sadly don't fit in with Warhammer stuff, but I'll make them work somehow. I'll have to check the Zombicide Hate characters to see how the PVC used works with all the fur and spikes for clean-up. If it's too much bother I'll definitly only get the base game without any add-ons.
You don't think these guys would make awesome chaos warriors? I think they'd be fantastic sub-ins for some crazy, over the top barbarian types!
They would IF the models I have (the Zombicide guest artist ones) didn't look really weird and clearly done in a different design philosophy next to all GW Chaos models I have. The same scale interpreted by Remy Tremblay and GW's designers leads to vastly different things.
What I might do is a Mordheim/skirmish/whatever group using only Hate minis for Chaos. That'd work way better than mixing human-sized models. The giants will work as ogres, demon princes or giants, I think.
How do the Zombicide: BP figures matchup with Khorne Blood Reavers? I don't have any Blood Reavers but they seem to be bigger than the old Chaos Marauders.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I can tell the hammer guys apart because they have hammers, but that's it. I think they should have stuck to theme a little more: consistent weapons and/or head styles could, regardless of realism and unit diversity, made it a lot clearer what's going on.
edit: oops, not all the hammer guys have hammers.
Yeah, I think color will be essential to making this game make any sense on a board.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Echo chamber reply to concur I would not be able to tell that gak apart on a table without color.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Hmm. I'm leaning back towards pledging on this one, depending on what the stretch goals/addon situation ends up looking like. If the core box has all four factions and a few extras, I can probably essentially get the models I actually want for free by flogging the ones I don't on ebay.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
But which one runs Barter Town?
Maybe each tribe will have its own color, or they'll do the sets of colored rings again?
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Post by: Binabik15
Prestor Jon wrote: Binabik15 wrote: pancakeonions wrote: Binabik15 wrote:I really like this Clan.
They sadly don't fit in with Warhammer stuff, but I'll make them work somehow. I'll have to check the Zombicide Hate characters to see how the PVC used works with all the fur and spikes for clean-up. If it's too much bother I'll definitly only get the base game without any add-ons.
You don't think these guys would make awesome chaos warriors? I think they'd be fantastic sub-ins for some crazy, over the top barbarian types!
They would IF the models I have (the Zombicide guest artist ones) didn't look really weird and clearly done in a different design philosophy next to all GW Chaos models I have. The same scale interpreted by Remy Tremblay and GW's designers leads to vastly different things.
What I might do is a Mordheim/skirmish/whatever group using only Hate minis for Chaos. That'd work way better than mixing human-sized models. The giants will work as ogres, demon princes or giants, I think.
How do the Zombicide: BP figures matchup with Khorne Blood Reavers? I don't have any Blood Reavers but they seem to be bigger than the old Chaos Marauders.
The Reavers are much broader and look stubby with their ridiculous barrelchests and arms as thick as long. The Hate characters look more natural, but maybe not as imposing when viewed at table distance. I'll visit home over the weekend where my Zombicide minis and Reavers are. I can take pictures when I'm there.
The tribes look great together and two of the giants plus the one with the skull skirt from the comic (that'll hopefully be a SG and not an add-on) make this a must.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
RoninXiC wrote:People have no problem identifying Space marines .. they are all the same just different weapons and maybe a different head -_-
The entire game isn't space marines with spikes and chains vs space marines with chains and spikes though. Usually you have something more visually diverse in the 2 player box.
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Post by: grefven
 spiralingcadaver wrote:I can tell the hammer guys apart because they have hammers, but that's it. I think they should have stuck to theme a little more: consistent weapons and/or head styles could, regardless of realism and unit diversity, made it a lot clearer what's going on.
edit: oops, not all the hammer guys have hammers.
Yeah, I think color will be essential to making this game make any sense on a board.
In the top you have the "broad-blades clan", the second one is the "hammer clan", the third one is the "axe clan" and the bottom one is the "cloaked clan". But no, seriously, I do agree with you. I find it rather hard, too, to see the difference between the clans.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 In this post-apocalyptic wasteland, not everyone has settled into a Tribe and set down roots in a Village. Mercenaries prefer to go solo, opting for a solitary, nomadic lifestyle. Sometimes numbers give you strength, and sometimes they just put a target on your back. Not all Shamans pay tribute to the same gods. The idea of an objective morality has long since disappeared from the lives of the people in the world today, and now mystics find their power and guidance from good and evils spirits alike. Shamans with no tribal protection can be beaten into submission and added to your flock in HATE. These mysterious figures have powers and insight that may seem strange to the vicious, single-minded barbarians they fight alongside, but they can offer important advantages in battle.
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Post by: Gallahad
I love barbarians, but I just can't get into these. Too much bondage gear and inexplicable piercings and spikes. They look more Post apocalypse than fantasy, which is fine, but not my thing. When designs go so over the top like these, I just can't imagine them fighting for anything.. I can imagine them fighting, I Just can't find any interesting story for why they fight. They just look like they love violence for the sake of violence, like a 13year olds fantasy novel bad guys. Societies can only exist if there are things other than violence that people like or value.
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Post by: ced1106
Gasoline. They're just here for the gasoline. 
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Post by: Nostromodamus
It is post-apocalypse isn’t it?
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Post by: grefven
There are many elements in HATE that would classify it as a fantasy setting. But I wouldn't know for sure. I can't remember reading what the setting is actually supposed to be. But pretty much the main setting of the story is to restore magical powers to a magical entity, basically.
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Post by: JSG
It’s post apoc in a fantasy setting.
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Post by: Smokestack
I wasn't interested in this, but I do like giant minis..
Saw some people put off by the size difference between the prince and the regular guys. So what if this is a "large scale game" and the princes are normal size guys and the regular troops are dwarves or mutated children? Like mini me from Austin Powers... I don't know why but thinking of it like that I kind of want it more... Post apocalyptic mutated children wars! and their weird Uncle... Now I am definitely in!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 not a minotaur honest, it's a mercenary (and I guess bigger than the normal 32mm warriors?) Bra Ku Taa was shunned from his native lands, but he fights in the vain hopes of being able to return to honor one day. He's a vicious creature that is never happier than when he’s crushing a skull under his hoofs. He will make any Tribe tougher and more terrifying on the battlefield Automatically Appended Next Post: 
A shamen (don't hit the kid? do hit the kid?) Automatically Appended Next Post: 
zombie?
The Clay Man was once a member of a proud Tribe of men. However, time takes its toll on all living things. Enveloped in a thick case of mud, the Clay Man slept for centuries. A shift in the Earth released him from his state of living death, and he once more returned to walk the surface. Years of imprisonment stripped away his humanity and replaced it with an unending hunger for flesh. He will kill and kill again to feed it.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
If that's not a minotaur then I'm a lizard.
I hope we can get a couple of those clay men. Some nice looking savage dudes.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Not sure if Quatto or Master Blaster...
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Post by: odinsgrandson
FEAR MY BABY BJORN!!!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Ooops problems,
take a look at the kids wrist, it doesn't meet up with his hand on the shield
wonder if it's just a build issue with the resin or a critical fail on their scanning software
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Post by: ecurtz
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Ooops problems, take a look at the kids wrist, it doesn't meet up with his hand on the shield wonder if it's just a build issue with the resin or a critical fail on their scanning software
Maybe that hand just fell off at some point so they glued it on to the shield as an expression of their HATE?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It would fit, but the art suggests it should be attached..... Automatically Appended Next Post: 
it's the tyrant, he likes skulls, long walks on the beach and makeup
Success attracts power, and there’s no one more powerful than the Tyrant. He towers over the other forces in HATE and he’s unconstrained by laws or humans. If the conditions are right, he will join your Tribe's forces and lead an assault on those who oppose you that will create nightmares for generations to come.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
I hope that guy is just regular size and is just wearing baby skull pants!
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Post by: Binabik15
As seen on the cabinet group shot in this thread - the FB one- on the first page- he is the boggest mini in ghe game by far, actually
And there are more big dudes not shown on clear pictures, ones that look more chaos-y than the two more ape-ish princes shown so far. Still waiting for those.
And for the hand, that might be because of production issues. This might be an production master and not a render with one of the "fixes" their Chinese engineers sometimes do to make the model castable as a singe piece/without some undercut/whatever. Or the sculptor had to change it, but I doubt they leave the hand just stuck to the shield.
At least with these guys the snaller one has a pupeteer feel already and you'd be able to paint some arcane symbols on the stump and the hand or add some fancy gemstones to show.that the hand is remote controlled by arcane means. I can see a lot of complaints on KS, though.
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Post by: pancakeonions
Any shots of these guys alongside, say, Blood Rage minis (which are a good scale to use in DnD, and most fantasy skirmish games)? I'm hoping the human-ish dudes are about the size of the BR dudes, and not much bigger!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Somewhere in this game there's a "don't talk to me or my son ever again" meme waiting to be unleashed.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
pancakeonions wrote:Any shots of these guys alongside, say, Blood Rage minis (which are a good scale to use in DnD, and most fantasy skirmish games)? I'm hoping the human-ish dudes are about the size of the BR dudes, and not much bigger!
Not seen any size comparisons, but CMON talks about both being 32mm (for the 'human sized folk') so i'd guess they'd be similar height wise, (but the hate stuff does look a bit more bulky visually)
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How to HATE: A Guide to Survival
Jan 12, 2018
WARNING: This article contains violence and adult themes and language.
When the world died, the few people left were content to simply survive. For generations humans tried to cling to the old ways, but over time those traditions were lost and with them, humanity. It’s a new dawn, a red dawn, the type of dawn where you might get dragged back to a Village and fething eaten if you’re not careful. Rival Tribes square off on the battlefield in all-out blood baths. Pity is a foreign concept. If you walk out on the battlefield, you’re going to get hurt. Survival is no longer enough for these people. They won’t rest until they’ve killed every last fething one of their enemies.
HATE is a strategic board game set in a world where morality has been thrown out the window. Designed by the creators of Zombicide and Massive Darkness, this is a world where anything is possible and there will definitely be blood. HATE is a game for mature audiences only, and thus will be available exclusively on Kickstarter.
Tribes torture and consume their foes as casually as you’d update your Facebook status. Survival is the only thing that matters, and if that means eating human flesh to have the strength to slaughter on the battlefield, you can be damn sure you’re going to do it. When your opponent would be willing to crush the skulls of every person in your Village if they breech the walls, every battle is not just about your life, it’s about the survival of your legacy.
HATE is played as a Chronicle, involving several different Clashes between Tribes. At the end of the final Clash, a winner is declared, while the other Tribes suffer subjugation and death. At the start of a game, players agree on the number of players involved and how many Clashes will make up the entire Chronicle. Players can also compete in single Clashes without committing to an entire Chronicle.
The goal of the game is to earn Conquest points by taking over Territories and completing objectives. Throughout a series of Clashes, players will also accumulate Resources and Hate. At the end of the final Clash of the Chronicle, Conquest points are added to the lower amount of either Hate or Resources that a player has collected to produce a final score. One Tribe will reign supreme over the others, and the rest will be thrown in the pit.
Each Tribe is made up of 11 bloodthirsty killers, itching to get out there and cause pain. The Princes tower over everyone in both status and stature, but every member has a place in battle. Each of the Warriors, Champion Warriors, Shamans, Young Bloods, and Princes start with unique skills and a role to play. Over the course of a Chronicle, they will develop their skills, gaining additional abilities, but they’ll also get injuries and develop Scars, limiting their growth as a cold-blooded murderer. It’s harder to rack up a respectable body count when you’re missing an arm, or some donkey-cave gouged out your eye.
Tribe members are represented on the board with incredible, highly-detailed miniatures and Figure cards. These cards contain information about the Tribe member, including their type, Stats, and Starting Skills. The cards are sleeved, and as new Upgrades or Scars are acquired, transparent cards with those new attributes are added, becoming a part of the character’s skill set. Scars fill in slots that might have been used for Upgrades, limiting a character’s potential. What happens in one Battle, carries forward throughout the entire Chronicle.
Much of the action in the game is driven by the individual Tribe decks. Each player has a deck of cards unique to their Tribe. These decks influence the strategy and play style of a Tribe. They may be all-out power killers, revelling in the glory of battle, or they may rely on their attack formations for success on the battlefield, they may even gain their strength and rage from sacrificing one of their own. Although these warriors are at home on the battlefield, they also need a place to rest and recuperate after a fight.
Each Tribe has their own Village board, which is more than just a place to hang your cloak of human flesh. This is a communal place full of different useful buildings. The Forge comes into play during Battles allowing players to access special abilities. The Oven and Torture Pit provide some delicious options for captured opponents. The Village is also a place where players can visit the Shaman’s Hut to gain access to more Tribe cards or the Training Grounds to gain Upgrades for their Tribe members. (See our full article on the Villages of HATE). The Village plays a role during the Battles as well as the recovery period in between.
Clashes are one-on-one engagements between two players. They are broken up into two Battles over Territories. The attacking player chooses a Territory that is either neutral or belongs to the defending Tribe. Once a target has been selected, the aggressing Tribe will get to select from a number of different Scenarios for the Battle. Once the Scenario has been selected, the battlefield can be set up with Hills, Huts, Trees, and Interest Tokens spread out over the game board according to the instructions. Next, players will deploy their various Tribe members on the board according to the setup rules. Each Scenario has its own special rules and goals, made up of Side Missions and Main Missions. Each one has a name, an objective, and a reward for completing it.
Battles are fought over four rounds, with turns alternating back and forth. Players spend Savagery Tokens (the main currency in the game) to activate Tribe members, use skills, take advantage of Tribe cards, or use Forge abilities. Rounds continue until one player is out of Savagery Tokens or one player has completed all the victory conditions for the Scenario, claiming a win.
During a round, players will have access to two of their Tribe cards, which are placed face up on the table. They can be used only once and even if they’re not used they’re discarded at the end of the round. Each Tribe card has a Trigger which indicates when it can be used and a cost in Savagery Tokens to activate it. Savagery Tokens can also be spent in the Village at the Forge to get immediate benefits such as extra Movement, extra dice when Attacking or Defending, and extra Activations.
Battles are broken up into Replenish Phases and Activation Phases. During the Replenish Phase, players reset, removing spent Savagery Tokens from Tribe cards or their Forge, discarding unused Tribe cards and Savagery Tokens, gaining five new Savagery Tokens, and drawing two new Tribe cards. During the Activation Phase, players can activate Tribe members to kill enemies, move around the board, chop down Trees for resources, pillage Huts for Resources and rewards, drag KO’d opponents back to their Village, and work to complete Missions.
In a world where killing is more of a hobby than anything else, players can expect to do a lot of Attacking in HATE. The aggressing Tribe member has an Attacking Value, which can be altered with things like Tribe cards and upgrades. They gather dice equal to their total and roll, looking for Swords (Attack Success), Wilds, or Skulls (which earn Savagery Tokens). Defenders have their own Defense Value marked on the Tribe member card and can manipulated that with Tribe cards and upgrades among other things. Defenders get a chance to roll as well. In their case, the result of a Shield is a successful defense. Both the Attacker and Defender can receive Support in the form of extra dice from Tribe members in adjacent spaces. It can pay to move together as a group over the battlefield.
If the Attacker generates more Swords than the Defender did Shields, the Defender has been KO’d and become a body on the field of battle. They’ll lie their gasping for breath and clinging to life, until the end of the Scenario…or until they are dragged off to a much worse fate.
As soon as a Battle ends there is an Intermission, where players return to their Village to catch their breath, plan for the next round, and cook and torture their captives. Torturing enemies in the Pit earns Hate for players and cooking them in the oven and feasting on their flesh earns them Resources. Never go into battle on an empty stomach! If a Tribe member is tortured or eaten, they are lost to their Tribe forever, but there is only so much space in the Oven and Torture Pit, and if there are not enough slots for the captives, they escape back to their home Village. If you lost a Tribe member to the Oven or the Pit, all of their Upgrades are gone and you’ll have to start over with a new character from scratch. Fresh meat for the grinder.
During the Intermission, players also roll for Scars, assigning them to any of their Tribe members that have been KO’d during battle. They can also visit the Chiurgeon to get scars removed. The Intermission is a period of recovery and reflection for those that made it safely back to their own Village. It is a time of torture and death for those not so lucky.
When the Intermission is done, it’s time for the second Battle in the Clash. The roles are reversed with the Defending Tribe becoming the Attacker. They will go through the same steps again, choosing a Territory to assault and a Scenario to play. The same steps are repeated until a victor is determined in the second Battle, bringing the Clash to an end. Players are awarded Conquest points, and the Chronicle will continue until all of the Clashes have been played.
Ultimately, only one Tribe will be able to rise above the rest. This is the new world, where issues like freedom of speech, healthy living, and saving for your 401k seem trivial. Now, there is only death, and blood, and pain. If your Tribe rises from the ashes of the old societies, there will be no mercy, no looking for common ground or equality. Hate is what ended the old world and Hate is what will rule this new one. Clash after Clash and Battle after Battle, you’ll lead your Tribe to glorious victory or gory death. It’s a brutal grind with only pain to look forward to, but hell, it’s either you or them. The world of HATE is full of death, but you’ll get the chance to kill a lot of mother fethers before you meet your fate.
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Post by: Alpharius
'Interesting' approach there, with the language.
I suppose the market for this was going to be what it was going to be anyway, but it still seems silly to salt in all of those 'sentence enhancers'...
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Post by: BigDaddio
That image of game play looks quite drab, IMO.
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Post by: ecurtz
"It's a brutal grind with only pain to look forward to" seems like it might apply to the gameplay. This is going to be one of the rare CMON giant Kickstarter box o' minis I skip.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 Alpharius wrote:'Interesting' approach there, with the language.
I suppose the market for this was going to be what it was going to be anyway, but it still seems silly to salt in all of those 'sentence enhancers'...
From what I can tell of the game, it looks kinda good, but yeah. The tone is just terrible. The Rising Sun one also irritates me to no end, with all of the "Konnichiwa, honorable bs" that every time makes me think about some slant-eyed cartoon saying it with some breathy awkward accent and maybe some ching-chang-chong lettering. I respect McVey's design direction enough to give the game itself the benefit of the doubt that isn't such orientalist drivel, but seriously, I can't stand the CMON PR team.
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Post by: ced1106
Mechanics sound like a good evolution over "swords vs. shields" dice rolling (originally in, say HeroQuest) and campaign games (eg. Frostgrave). Rules seem easy enough to reskin to another genre for a future edition. Maybe a Massive Darkness skirmish game of one race vs. another??
Since each figure is unique, this game's gonna be AP if you play against a munchkin who has to look at all of your warrior cards before making a decision. And you will need to be able to distinguish one figure from another, even with the rings.
Hopefully, they'll have 3D terrain for that drab looking board.
I'm going to guess that, since each figure is unique, they're not going to have the mass quantities of figures Massive Darkness and Zombicide had that I'm usually looking for. Oh, well. Just bought some boardgames at the ThinkGeek sale...!
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Post by: Yodhrin
Alpharius wrote:'Interesting' approach there, with the language.
I suppose the market for this was going to be what it was going to be anyway, but it still seems silly to salt in all of those 'sentence enhancers'...
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but literally the only reason I noticed there were "enhancers" as you put it is the Dakka swear filter. Over here unless you're in some kind of rigidly formal setting, religious, or fully posh, folk use swearing like punctuation.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Oh, I thought he meant buzzwords. But, honestly, the swearing, while not offensive, feels a bit forced for a press release-style thing, where that does tend to be just a little formal.
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Post by: Prestor Jon
ced1106 wrote:Mechanics sound like a good evolution over "swords vs. shields" dice rolling (originally in, say HeroQuest) and campaign games (eg. Frostgrave). Rules seem easy enough to reskin to another genre for a future edition. Maybe a Massive Darkness skirmish game of one race vs. another??
Since each figure is unique, this game's gonna be AP if you play against a munchkin who has to look at all of your warrior cards before making a decision. And you will need to be able to distinguish one figure from another, even with the rings.
Hopefully, they'll have 3D terrain for that drab looking board.
I'm going to guess that, since each figure is unique, they're not going to have the mass quantities of figures Massive Darkness and Zombicide had that I'm usually looking for. Oh, well. Just bought some boardgames at the ThinkGeek sale...!
I don’t think each sculpt is unique. Looking at the pictures from earlier in this thread it looks like each tribe consists of 1 leader that is a large sculpt then a human sized champion and shaman and then the troops are 2 copies of 4 different sculpts which is a little more variety than the Blood Rage tribes but still not all unique sculpts.
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Post by: lord marcus
honestly until they've fufilled existing orders they should not be starting a kickstarter
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
For as many outstanding campaigns as they may have, they've come through on all of them I can think of.
Plus we've got at least 2 or 3 (SMOG and Rising Sun, Green Horde in the spring) shipping in the very near future.
Just leaves Song of Fire & Ice really.
After reading that gameplay blurb I'm curious if we'll see multiple battlefields or varied terrain to fight on.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
 lord marcus wrote:honestly until they've fufilled existing orders they should not be starting a kickstarter
Honestly there’s no reason their design and marketing teams should be sitting idle waiting for the production and fulfillment teams to finish just because some people think it should work that way.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yodhrin wrote: Alpharius wrote:'Interesting' approach there, with the language.
I suppose the market for this was going to be what it was going to be anyway, but it still seems silly to salt in all of those 'sentence enhancers'...
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but literally the only reason I noticed there were "enhancers" as you put it is the Dakka swear filter. Over here unless you're in some kind of rigidly formal setting, religious, or fully posh, folk use swearing like punctuation.
Yeah, same here.
In casual conversations.
Not in professional settings, marketing campaigns and PR stuff though.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Unless you’re an edgelord company like Mindworm Games.
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Alpharius wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Alpharius wrote:'Interesting' approach there, with the language.
I suppose the market for this was going to be what it was going to be anyway, but it still seems silly to salt in all of those 'sentence enhancers'...
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but literally the only reason I noticed there were "enhancers" as you put it is the Dakka swear filter. Over here unless you're in some kind of rigidly formal setting, religious, or fully posh, folk use swearing like punctuation.
Yeah, same here.
In casual conversations.
Not in professional settings, marketing campaigns and PR stuff though.
That depends on what you're marketing though. We're talking about an IP literally called "HATE", all-caps intended, about cannibal mutants killing and eating each other, so I think in this case one or two naughty words is probably appropriate
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Post by: Binabik15
Yesh, talking about the language being edgy in a fluff marketing piece that emphasizes that TORTURING your enemies and CANNIBALISM is the goal in a grimdark setting full of over-the-top bondage with hooks and killing as the only interaction between strangers seems...weird. The whole setting is horrible and we should feel bad for talking about such abhorrent stuff
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
It's an Erik Lang design so should be well done and quite tight and not too grind-y. I am not sure I need any of it in my life, though it does look cool.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 Ian Sturrock wrote:It's an Erik Lang design so should be well done and quite tight and not too grind-y. I am not sure I need any of it in my life, though it does look cool.
Is it? I seem to recall him as a tester/editor of some sort, but not a designer.
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Post by: Mymearan
spiralingcadaver wrote: Ian Sturrock wrote:It's an Erik Lang design so should be well done and quite tight and not too grind-y. I am not sure I need any of it in my life, though it does look cool.
Is it? I seem to recall him as a tester/editor of some sort, but not a designer.
You’re thinking of some else. Lang has done Blood Rage, Chaos in the Old World, Game of Thrones TCG and tons of other stuff. Most of his stuff is 6-8 on BGG.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
Yeah, he's always been good and innovative, but he's been really hitting it out the park lately. Blood Rage is an incredible achievement -- a tight, thoughtful, tactical, fun miniatures wargame/boardgame hybrid that supports multiple different strategies and plays in an hour.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
Ah, thanks for the heads-up! I was just going by the entry on BGG. There is more info/speculation in a thread there:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1918784/designed-creators-zombicide-and-massive-darkness
Hard to tell quite what to make of it.
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Post by: Binabik15
As someone who never got an EB for a CMON game, how do you do it? Is the KS page active but without a pledge button before the campaign start or do you have to search for it until the campaign goes live, frantically load it and pledge?
Maybe that ugly board will deter pledgers and it won't be a problem
Possible uses/crossovers for the minis: Using them as a super evil clan in Blood Rage would be a nice fit. You could turn it around and use BR vikings with one of the monsters or giants as the prince in HATE. Mordheim. SAGA. What else?
And how about some SG speculation? I giess at first we'll have to unlock clan members that would be in the base game anyway. Then mercs I'd say. Tons and tons of mercs.
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Post by: DaveC
Binabik15 wrote:As someone who never got an EB for a CMON game, how do you do it? Is the KS page active but without a pledge button before the campaign start or do you have to search for it until the campaign goes live, frantically load it and pledge?
CMON no longer do EBs so I wouldn't worry about it. It used to be a case of refreshing either CMONs project creator page or the newly launched page until it appeared and hoping you got in in time but they've realised that the EBs upset people that don't get them and they don't need them to fund the games quickly any way and they get a extra few dollars.
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Post by: BigDaddio
Binabik15 wrote:Possible uses/crossovers for the minis: Using them as a super evil clan in Blood Rage would be a nice fit. You could turn it around and use BR vikings with one of the monsters or giants as the prince in HATE. Mordheim. SAGA. What else?
Some models may have use in Conan by Monolith. I would guess there will be stats/cards etc. on BGG or TheOverlord.net for this at some point.
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Post by: smurfORnot
So, you take skirmish game, which is basically 1v1 game and the market it as a 2-6p game, LOL...dunno why any GW starter is not marketed as 2-6p game, after all, you can play it same like this with 6p, you borrow army to your friend, which you will have to do here. Then when 2 of you play, 4 people can stay and watch around the table, doing nothing, rinse and repeat...yea, sounds awesome!
Thank you CMON for saving me money
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
antohammer wrote:But..... is this a wargame like warhammer or a classical boardgame like Zombicide? I didnt understand it...
Neither do I. I think it's mostly a miniatures sandbox, like The Others and Rising Sun and so forth.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
A facebook video so it won't link
https://www.facebook.com/coolminiornot/videos/10155337760977877/
HATE: The Board Game is coming to Kickstarter at 3PM EST on January 16. Lead your Tribe to glory on the battlefield or torture and death in the Village of an opponent. Check out the video for all the details. Viewer discretion is advised for adult situations and language.
(tomorrow folks you can get your HATE on)
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Post by: ecurtz
I was surprised they did such a good job tying the video in to Martin Luther King Jr. Day here in the states.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
How to HATE: A Guide to Survival
Jan 12, 2018
As an actual board game, this looks awful. Even worse than Rising Sun. And the lack of scale between models only exacerbates the problem, whereas Blood Rage looked much better, same with Conan. The game itself looks like it's on par the "game" in Imperial Knights: Renegade.
I think this ends up being a pass, as the mixed scale models and cheap game overlay just aren't working for me.
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Post by: Binabik15
Mhm, glimpses of new tasty miniatures. Nice. But man are those boards and sheets and tokens just plain ugly.
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Post by: MonkeyBallistic
That may well be the most embarrassingly awful video I’ve seen trying to promote a game.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
I agree, while artwork is great, some minis a pretty nice and all that, the game itself looks appalling.
Rising sun and Bloodrage aren`t bad in that department, although I like the Rising sun board more - it`s visualy clearer.
EDIT: Saw the promo trailer, lol
I guess, they tried to prove us, that this game "can`t be NOT KS exclusive, as it`s edgy and very nieche".
Damn, 3 "gaks" and 3 "feths" - that ought to prove, how "brutal" this game is, haha
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I expect the comment section to be crammed with tryhard edgelords...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I note they call out "Torture Rooms". Are there going to be Rape Rooms?
Is it 40k-like or RW-like?
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Post by: madzerker
Looks like a game I will get for the minis only and the rest will go straight to the bin
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Board looks- serviceable. It's a post apocalyptic wasteland. I don't expect much more than that.
I think the emptiness is for the terrain tiles to be placed- but I'm hoping they go and do plastic terrain instead! Heck, even if it's an add on.
Despite the cringiness of the video, I'm still pretty pumped, having read the books. Lots of neat looking figures, and I like the idea of the transparent scar card overlays. Reminds me of Redakai.
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Post by: Ernster
This Post Apocalyptic game that has taken ideas from Mad Max needs Chariots and war wagons battling it out!
chariots with spiked wheels and blades. War wagons with Ballistae and crossbows. Drawn by massive steeds, Oxen or wild pigs.
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Post by: Pink Horror
The fluff sounds like they took Orks from 40k, made them human, and removed all the humor. They use crude language. They have huge knives. They're cannibals. The more important ones grow bigger. All they do is battle with each other. Accumulating "HATE" as if it's something beneficial makes no sense, but replace it with "WAAAGH" points and it makes sense.
For a mature, adult game, where's the women? Where's the sex? I guess they reproduce via spores.
I wonder if HATE tribes use teeth for money.
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Post by: pancakeonions
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
That may well be the most embarrassingly awful video I’ve seen trying to promote a game.
Wow, yea. That is a staggeringly bad video. I couldn't watch it - the script with all the ridiculous swearing looks like it was written by an 11 year old. I was moderately interested... But not any more...
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Post by: JSG
A bunch of pearl clutchers is probably more likely.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
Pink Horror wrote:The fluff sounds like they took Orks from 40k, made them human, and removed all the humor. They use crude language. They have huge knives. They're cannibals. The more important ones grow bigger. All they do is battle with each other. Accumulating "HATE" as if it's something beneficial makes no sense, but replace it with "WAAAGH" points and it makes sense.
For a mature, adult game, where's the women? Where's the sex? I guess they reproduce via spores.
I wonder if HATE tribes use teeth for money.
They probably use lips for money, and they are all broke.
The description does sound like the one of orcs' now that you point it out!
Even though the map is suppose to show badlands, I'm pretty sure there is a better artistic way of showing it, rather than just doing a saturated texture
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Post by: Theophony
Just watched the video....
Some of the figs work for me, but probably not enough to  back this is a game.
I don’t think I was edgy enough 
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Post by: Binabik15
Pink Horror wrote:The fluff sounds like they took Orks from 40k, made them human, and removed all the humor. They use crude language. They have huge knives. They're cannibals. The more important ones grow bigger. All they do is battle with each other. Accumulating "HATE" as if it's something beneficial makes no sense, but replace it with "WAAAGH" points and it makes sense.
For a mature, adult game, where's the women? Where's the sex? I guess they reproduce via spores.
I wonder if HATE tribes use teeth for money.
There are more women in the tribes shown so so far than most Warhammer armies, heck, probably most Warhammer races
IMO the video is bad not because of the supposedly edgy swears, but the laughable narrator trying to sound both grim AND tough and not pulling off either. And showing the brutality of this world of torturing cannibal murderers (and presumed rapists) in combat...by showing the shaman lady gently bob some dude with her head and his mini being laid flat. Really? Even a super cheesy Wilhem Tell-scream, cheap bloodspatter effect or a flashing sword symbol wouldn't be this comically bad.
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Post by: Azazelx
JSG wrote:
A bunch of pearl clutchers is probably more likely.
Dunno. Swearing doesn't offend me in the slightest, but that was pathetically tryhard. Like it was written by/for 13 year old boys. Embarrassingly terrible.
Game components look bad, and the game doesn't look good or interesting enough to make it something worth playing over the many, many other boardgames/minis games/video games I already own. I might pick it up for the minis, if they stack it full of enough of them for a good enough price.
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Post by: smurfORnot
 JohnHwangDD wrote:I note they call out "Torture Rooms". Are there going to be Rape Rooms?
Is it 40k-like or RW-like?
Can you eat them while you rape them? How cool would that be,right?
You eat her p...y literally ...yea, in HATE it's possible, should have gone with that xD
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Post by: JSG
 Azazelx wrote:JSG wrote:
A bunch of pearl clutchers is probably more likely.
Dunno. Swearing doesn't offend me in the slightest, but that was pathetically tryhard. Like it was written by/for 13 year old boys. Embarrassingly terrible.
Game components look bad, and the game doesn't look good or interesting enough to make it something worth playing over the many, many other boardgames/minis games/video games I already own. I might pick it up for the minis, if they stack it full of enough of them for a good enough price.
i agree but they'll be out in force all the same. There's a lot of strangely sensitive people in war gaming and tangential hobbies.
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Post by: Alpharius
JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think this ends up being a pass, as the mixed scale models and cheap game overlay just aren't working for me.
Wait - are they mixed scale?
Or are some of them supposed to be 'giants' or 'ogres'?
Are are the 'bigger' models just bigger to show that they are leaders of some sort?
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Post by: JSG
 Alpharius wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think this ends up being a pass, as the mixed scale models and cheap game overlay just aren't working for me.
Wait - are they mixed scale?
Or are some of them supposed to be 'giants' or 'ogres'?
Are are the 'bigger' models just bigger to show that they are leaders of some sort?
They are men. just massive. In the comic it's said that "some lines of men grew monstrous" or something to that effect.
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Post by: Pugnacious_Cee
The big ones are the leaders, yes.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Despite all you guys poo-pooing on the super cheesy video, I'm still pretty excited for this.
Gameplay appeals to me, and I like the idea of your tribe members being somewhat limited in numbers as the campaign wears on.
Still hoping they do some 3d terrain to replace the rather drab tile overlays, of which at least I hope we see more- video did say that terrain can both hinder and harm you.
Have they said how long this will run? I'm betting it's a shorter campaign, but on the other hand, the way they've been hyping it up I could see it running longer.
Guess we'll find out soon enough!
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Post by: Binabik15
I will back this right away simply because a lot of those dudes look like they're straight out of 6th Edition Chaos army books. GW doesn't want to do models in that style, so CMON has my money.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Pink Horror wrote:The fluff sounds like they took Orks from 40k, made them human, and removed all the humor.
Crap. Cannot unsee. Definitely not getting this now.
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Post by: Alpharius
JSG wrote: Alpharius wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think this ends up being a pass, as the mixed scale models and cheap game overlay just aren't working for me.
Wait - are they mixed scale?
Or are some of them supposed to be 'giants' or 'ogres'?
Are are the 'bigger' models just bigger to show that they are leaders of some sort?
They are men. just massive. In the comic it's said that "some lines of men grew monstrous" or something to that effect.
Pugnacious_Cee wrote:The big ones are the leaders, yes.
So there is no 'scale issue' here, it is just that, like Orks, in the world of HATE the strong leader types grow...larger?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Human meat obviously is full of the best nutrients!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Might as well play Mordheim.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Beast of war are looking at this LIVE on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/TheBeastsOfWar/videos/10154876762296315/
(with the random addition of one of the blokes from Mythic who's in the studio)
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Oh God I can just imagine Warren with this...
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Post by: Necros
Tis live
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/hate
$200,000 goal shall be smashed shortly
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Post by: RoninXiC
NO STRECHGOALS FAIL
LOL NO THIS
WHY CANT THEY DO THAT
LFMAO FAIL
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Post by: Nostromodamus
RoninXiC wrote:NO STRECHGOALS FAIL
LOL NO THIS
WHY CANT THEY DO THAT
LFMAO FAIL
They never put them up at the start, they have to play the old “wow we never expected this success!” game while they decide what SG has already been unlocked.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Gets your hate on people
51 minis to start out
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Post by: RoninXiC
No... 51 SAVAGE miniatures.
The video truely is ... cheesy ...
Like it at the moment. Will put my moneyz in. Might cancel later though.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Nostromodamus wrote:RoninXiC wrote:NO STRECHGOALS FAIL
LOL NO THIS
WHY CANT THEY DO THAT
LFMAO FAIL
They never put them up at the start, they have to play the old “wow we never expected this success!” game while they decide what SG has already been unlocked.
Yes, that seems to be the case.
They don't quite know how bonkers it will go, so no desire to 'give away the free for free' too early, so, the silliness continues!
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Post by: Necros
I got to the page when there were 0 backers. I was like ZOMG I"M FIRST!!@
I backed it, and my email said I was a crappy #268. No fair.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Oh and a preproduction plastic mini comparted to the resin, the mould has not yet been refined so it will get better
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Post by: MrDwhitey
First stretch goal at 230k is 8 plastic fire tokens. A bit of a low start for a high ask.
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Post by: Theophony
Well at least it looks like they fixed that guys hand. Wouldn’t want him to be a triple amputee after all.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
MrDwhitey wrote:First stretch goal at 230k is 8 plastic fire tokens. A bit of a low start for a high ask.
Gotta wade through the 3D tokens, alt-sculpts and dice bag before the interesting stuff appears.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
Actually I'm looking at it wrong, it's $230k, but I'm getting the total in £ on the page so it's not as awful as I thought.
Also I love plastic tokens.
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Post by: Necros
Well that goal went fast. I wonder if they can do $1 million on day 1?
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Post by: Theophony
If this is a Kickstarter exclusive game, then why is everything labeled Kickstarter exclusive? Are they planning on releasing all the extras but not the game? Or have they fooled us because now I’ve been seeing this is not a retail release game (so they could sell it off their site in the future).
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Retailers can pledge for the game and then sell it,
it's just CMON isn't planning to put it into distribution any other way,
(I suspect the KS exclusive tag is just to drive pledges)
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Post by: Binabik15
I'm surprised that the SGs are already another tribe, I expected a lot more fire tokens first and tribes as add-on. Sadly I don't feel this tribe so far and I'm thinking their prince will be the one with horns and two axes. If the clan with that guy is an add-on I'll HATE it.
I guess it's similiar to Blood Rage with one clan being an add-on and at least on via SGs.
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Post by: ced1106
Oboy. Sleeves.
Reminds me of That Guy who'd break the rail game crayons and the snap-fit (before they called them Snap-Fit) space marines from Space Crusade. Can't wait for his lineage to accidentally tear the seams of the irreplaceable sleeves.
Anyway, gonna guess that they'll split up the tribes like they did the clans with Rising Sun, and that the rest will be upgrades and mercenaries. Anyone who's read the HATE books, can tell us who's missing. Also, in before stupid BGG questions if the funding mysteriously stops midway and they don't reach the rest of the SG's to finish off an expansion.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
well hell yeah~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hateful Bitches!!!!!!!!! LET'S CRANK THIS gak UP!!!!!!!!!!!
AMAZING @#$%%^'n Trailer has me pumped to rip some limbs off !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thiago - OH GO AHEAD AND PUSH THE **** BUTTON ALREADY, YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALREADY!!!... so hateful!
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Post by: JSG
ced1106 wrote:Oboy. Sleeves.
Reminds me of That Guy who'd break the rail game crayons and the snap-fit (before they called them Snap-Fit) space marines from Space Crusade. Can't wait for his lineage to accidentally tear the seams of the irreplaceable sleeves.
Anyway, gonna guess that they'll split up the tribes like they did the clans with Rising Sun, and that the rest will be upgrades and mercenaries. Anyone who's read the HATE books, can tell us who's missing. Also, in before stupid BGG questions if the funding mysteriously stops midway and they don't reach the rest of the SG's to finish off an expansion.
Uhh. Loads of stuff is "missing". I use quotes because I don't think this is following the books. tbh there's not much story really it's just a little mutant dude who is on a quest to get a couple of keys to free the mother earth. He's successful, is sacrificed and becomes her champion, a 10' tall super powered beastman. He kills the tyrant, wins the battle and a resurgent nature destroys more or less all civilisation. It's all told in pictures (very little text) in a pretty brisk fashion. anyway, stuff missing...
The twins. Basically another tyrant but they are Siamese twins. One is a huge guy, the other a possibly dead withered husk whose sorta strapped to his brother. We might see these guys as they lead more barbarians guess he'd be an alt Tyrant sculpt.
Followers of the Earth Goddess. Mixed bag of "good" barbarians, beastmen, lizard people and mutants. Pretty sure I saw a big guy with crescent moons (Earth Goddess symbol) on him so we'll probably get these guys.
The Rot. Mother Earth is stabbed a lot, chained up with I suppose magic chains and a lock and put somewhere... Her blood seeps into the earth making really angry sentient fungus that infects dead bodies. The result is really cool undead. Funnily enough you get no other info on them in the books.
Lizard people. Big empire of lzardmen with a Chinese type vibe. They also helped trap the Earth Goddess.
Mutants. These are a thing. They look kinda goffy/cute.
I think thats it in the books. The barbarians have all sorts of cool stuff we probably won't see like dragon riders and siege engines. From the looks of it Adrian's world is more fleshed out than what we get in the books so who knows what else there is.
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Post by: ced1106
Thanks! I forgets that when you have the original creator as part of your staff, you have access to all the worldbuilding and background of the source material, besides the source material itself. Dur.
Huge difference between Dakka and BGG. On Dakka I can actually get some information on this game.
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Post by: anab0lic
Eh the combat looks a bit lacking to me, lots of mindless dice rolling/luck not much strategy... much like the previous games from this same design team... I think if you are a seasoned wargamer you will likely get bored of this one pretty quick.
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Post by: Binabik15
Are those twins different from the lil mercenary strapped to the big mercenary we already saw? A spore guy already exists as well. I do hope we get some more beastmen or animals/monsters, as the humans are already pretty wild with scant space to rack up the crazy/interesting - that seems to happen when your baseline mooks are sadistic cannibals wearing flayed faces.
Monsters or wild animals won't show up without them introducing them as environmentsl hazzards I fear. So I'm hoping for domesticated/ridden beats. Besides dragon riders, didn't they have guys on mammoths? I'd rather have one of those (still sad about FW discontinuing the Chaos mammoth before I could really afford one as a teen). I guess they won't appear in a skirmish game - at least not until the sequel's KS campaign
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I keep wondering what they'll do with the Earth Mother, with her being an integral part of the story and all.
I kinda envision having her as some sort of doomsday scenario where you have to beat the clock to stop the champion from freeing her. Or something.
I'd totally forgot about the lizard dudes. You all know I want to see those!
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Post by: JSG
Binabik15 wrote:Are those twins different from the lil mercenary strapped to the big mercenary we already saw? A spore guy already exists as well. I do hope we get some more beastmen or animals/monsters, as the humans are already pretty wild with scant space to rack up the crazy/interesting - that seems to happen when your baseline mooks are sadistic cannibals wearing flayed faces.
Monsters or wild animals won't show up without them introducing them as environmentsl hazzards I fear. So I'm hoping for domesticated/ridden beats. Besides dragon riders, didn't they have guys on mammoths? I'd rather have one of those (still sad about FW discontinuing the Chaos mammoth before I could really afford one as a teen). I guess they won't appear in a skirmish game - at least not until the sequel's KS campaign
The twins. In the books he's presented as the tyrants equal so another uber barbarian warlord. He carries a big spear. The rot aren't quite like the spore guy. They look like...
They also have big floatly wraith guys with spore balloons attached to their backs.
Also, I want a sculpt of the tyrant riding one of these.
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Post by: Binabik15
Thanks. Those are pretty badass.
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Post by: Alpharius
OK, they look really good!
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Resins that will not be available for purchase but are still used to represent the final product, right?
I think I'm still a little bitter after the Rum'n'Bones KS.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
What's that issue, re: Rum 'n' Bones?
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Post by: Nostromodamus
They used minis from the old miniature line to promote the game in the KS, which were different to the ones backers received.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
And some of the ones they did for the KS transferred really poorly into whatever material they were using at the time.
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Post by: Binabik15
Seems like quite the slowdown for the first day. Weird. And they got a SG within 24 hours for people complaining about thing X already. Whew.
I'll sit this one out the next few days until hopefully some additional Varn are unlocked. Reading updates hyping tokens or people bickering about race representation and all female tribes already is no fun.
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Post by: Azazelx
I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.
If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Azazelx wrote:I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.
If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.
I'm the same. The Blood Rage models were good and I like them, but tbh I don't know that they were worth the price on their own merits when bought retail as I did - though I should say that Blood Rage as a product absolutely is, since it's a brilliant game - so since these will likely be similar quality, the quantity needs to ramp up quite a bit more to justify dropping nearly a ton with shipping, even when accounting for the ability to flog the duplicate sculpts and any I really don't like on ebay.
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Post by: Theophony
Yodhrin wrote: Azazelx wrote:I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.
If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.
I'm the same. The Blood Rage models were good and I like them, but tbh I don't know that they were worth the price on their own merits when bought retail as I did - though I should say that Blood Rage as a product absolutely is, since it's a brilliant game - so since these will likely be similar quality, the quantity needs to ramp up quite a bit more to justify dropping nearly a ton with shipping, even when accounting for the ability to flog the duplicate sculpts and any I really don't like on ebay.
Same feeling here. Though the new prince they just showed off in update 12 really looks great  . I require more figs though at this point. I’ve passed on Rising sun because there wasn’t enough plastic for my taste.
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Post by: ced1106
fwiw, BR was designed by Eric Lang, who was only a consultant on this one. HATE is designed by Guillotine Games, who made Zombicide and Massive Darkness. Zombicide was fine because it had a ton of mini's, but MD's gameplay was pretty much yet another HeroQuest custom dice chucker, but with more complicated rules that were more complicated than enjoyable, and took out those neat spells HeroQuest had. See the reviews on BGG for more about MD.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Automatically Appended Next Post: the fact that Nemesis is doing better at fund raising is annoying a bunch of the KS commentators, queue toys and prams
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Post by: His Master's Voice
What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?
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Post by: ced1106
Hmm. Right now, nobody on the current page of the HATE KS comments mentions Nemesis, so I guess the memo was sent out!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 His Master's Voice wrote:
What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?
sadly a certain type of backer feels scared and anxious that they might have backed the wrong thing (ie not the most popular thing on KS at the time) meaning less stretch goals, worse sex life, and the risk of the sky falling on their heads
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That Um'Gorr prince sure is nice looking.
That's definitely one of the pluses when they have those big hulking characters, sculptors can go nuts adding all sorts of embellishments and details.
The gas tank certainly needs to get filled up here though as the excitement level seems to have dwindled to fumes.
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Post by: Binabik15
I wear a helmet at all times against unexpected skyfalling, buuut I'd sure like a free copy of that Varn with two-handed axe and chaos warrior helmet before the campaign ends 
The only other slow-ish KS from CMON I actively followed was Blood Rage and that released everything they had planned *and* an unplanned SG in the form of Fenris. Nobody should worry if CMON is going to sit on sculpts for this. Just how much will be free vs. paid. Not sure how flexible they're with the planning in this regard and how much they simply juggle the amount between SGs. Of course those SG-unlocked-before-the-previous- SG were always planned to be unlocked before the board, not with another 150k inbetween, no sirre.
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Post by: frankelee
I would defend the pace of this Kickstarter, given that it's closer to 'World of SMOG' than 'Rising Sun' or 'Zombicide #' in terms of appeal. With better community awareness now, CMON's campaigns get very frontloaded support making the middle look really slow. What's confusing is their insistence on these huge stretch goal amounts when the campaign has only just begun. It makes it look like support has stalled when you put up a $50,000 stretch goal but it looks like you'll only make $15,000 that day, and it's only day 4.
I will add though, I'm just not sure CMON's strategy of increasing prices with decreasing plastic is going to make them the most money over the long term. Rising Sun was the exception thanks to the designer and sculpting house/miniatures, it's not the rule.
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Post by: pancakeonions
Azazelx wrote:I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.
If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.
Me too. The game looks uninspired. I thought the same about Blood Rage (I really don't care for that one), but the minis are fantastic.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
frankelee wrote:I would defend the pace of this Kickstarter, given that it's closer to 'World of SMOG' than 'Rising Sun' or 'Zombicide #' in terms of appeal. With better community awareness now, CMON's campaigns get very frontloaded support making the middle look really slow. What's confusing is their insistence on these huge stretch goal amounts when the campaign has only just begun. It makes it look like support has stalled when you put up a $50,000 stretch goal but it looks like you'll only make $15,000 that day, and it's only day 4.
Yesterday, they only got $6k.
If they want $15k per SG, they're already slumping as of the 4th day.
I'm curious how much of a bump this gets at the end. Automatically Appended Next Post: His Master's Voice wrote:
What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?
From a zero-sump POV, a dollar spent on 100% Prodos-free not-Aliens vs. not-Predator is a dollar not spent on HATE.
They're not wrong in that assessment.
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Post by: frankelee
Yeah, so much for that projection. They put out an add-on tribe, and according to my bad math only around 10% of their backers have gone for it. I didn't back it myself after being disappointed with how A Song of Ice and Fire turned out, and the fact that I don't think they're providing enough Chaos Marauders for $120. Perhaps even their core supporters are not supporting them enthusiastically for this game.
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Post by: Theophony
Right now the value isn’t there. I think they are banking too much on the artists name as a draw, but the edginess of the game keeps it out of a lot of people’s hands. I want the figs for a chaos horde, but not the game for me and my kids to play. Plus the price right now is $145 before shipping if you get the extra clan (which you can’t later at retail so if you go in you must go all in now), and they have pretty much stated that there will be 3D terrain elements to come, most likely an exclusive (very graphic) graphic novel, probably more play mats/boards, dice and other usual add ons.
I just wonder if this will all be available through their website later as they only say not available through regular retail chain.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Art book is up now, and next goal is FORTY savagery tokens. A hefty number to say the least, and interestingly enough it shows up in between the current far off goals. Maybe we're going to see a bit more closer gaps for a bit?
Hopefully we see a lot of sketchwork. Nice to see the comic strips he's doing for the campaign show up here.
I'm hoping we can get Adrian to sign copies! Did they give dimensions on the size of this thing? Hoping it's a bit oversized than the traditional comic. And with a sewn binding preferably...
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Post by: Binabik15
I am a backer but I haven't raised my pledge so far. I want the add-on clan, but KS has trained me to raise at the end or during the PM. I might raise it for the clan to add to this dead campaign
In the comments the CMON guy said they have a mounted mini or monster big enough to kill a decent-sized rodent. The should throw that in as some fake "planned" SG for 666666$ or 6666 backers or whatever is reached quickly and can be sold as pre-planned for a "big" milestone.
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Post by: Theophony
The more I see the HATE logo, the more I’m hoping for a 3D terrain piece that looks just like it. Even if it just becomes a bookend on my shelf life think that would be cool. I still haven’t backed, not sure I will, but I am definitely watching.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
"very graphic" meaning what? Actual graphic sexual violence? Or pre-teen "edgy" grimdork violence of the sort alluded to by GW?
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Post by: JSG
JohnHwangDD wrote:
"very graphic" meaning what? Actual graphic sexual violence? Or pre-teen "edgy" grimdork violence of the sort alluded to by GW?
The books aren’t really edgy at all. Badass may be a better way of describing it tonally. It’s just a lot of cool warhammerish grimdark fantasy stuff.
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Post by: Binabik15
Why does it have to sexual violence to be described as very graphic?! The GN is about a lil dude bred for slavery and meat and shows all kinds of killing and mutilation (and not finding my copy of the first volume and not even owning the second drives me crauy). It's not as messed up as Berserk with demon gangbang vore, but "graphic" is a deserved moniker, IMO.
If you want to riducle "edgy" don't give Adrian Smith crap, read the KS comments arguing about dead baby tokens yes/no and wanting "a tribe of political correctness boardgamers with placards" to "slaughter"...though "a tribe of SJWs" would be enough, too.
It beats people not getting their heads around a campaign-system game were people, gasp, horror, have to wait for the results of other games and schedule matches.
PS: I won't even quote what was said about dakka on bgg.
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Post by: RoninXiC
US and violence are friends.
US and nudity are arch enemies.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Interesting that HATE is starting the -$420 in the hole. That's not something I've seen on a CMoN KS. I wonder if the campaign is collapsing.
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Post by: Azazelx
Link please? I'm curious.
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Post by: Theophony
What’s that matter really? I mean you see comments about BOLS here and BGG as well, we are all different folks with different tastes. I use Board game geeks only to try and see its of what comes in the box when manufacturers don’t bother with decent pics or descriptions, I rarely read anything they write.
As for my Graphic Comment, yes I meant graphically VIOLENT. 
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Post by: Sunny Side Up
His Master's Voice wrote:Resins that will not be available for purchase but are still used to represent the final product, right?
I think I'm still a little bitter after the Rum'n'Bones KS.
I think that is normal. Even Games Workshop does it. A lot of "Eavy Metal miniatures on the box art is resin, painted by the "Eavy Metal team before the actual plastics in the box go into production. I'd assume it'd be similar for other companies as well.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Theophony wrote:
What’s that matter really? I mean you see comments about BOLS here and BGG as well, we are all different folks with different tastes. I use Board game geeks only to try and see its of what comes in the box when manufacturers don’t bother with decent pics or descriptions, I rarely read anything they write.
As for my Graphic Comment, yes I meant graphically VIOLENT.
Curiosity.
Binabik seems to be making a big deal about it, so I'm curious. I don't actually care what (a few users of one) web forum (that I occasionally lurk on) say about (a generalised amalgam of users on) another forum that I happen to participate in. Most times when I venture into N&R or DD I end up putting a new person or two onto ignore, so I'm not exactly going to go to war with BGG to "defend Dakka's honour."
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Sunny Side Up wrote:
I think that is normal. Even Games Workshop does it. A lot of "Eavy Metal miniatures on the box art is resin, painted by the "Eavy Metal team before the actual plastics in the box go into production. I'd assume it'd be similar for other companies as well.
GW's pre production prints are essentially identical to what you take off the finished sprue.
CMoN's are not.
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Post by: Aeneades
Azazelx wrote: Theophony wrote:
What’s that matter really? I mean you see comments about BOLS here and BGG as well, we are all different folks with different tastes. I use Board game geeks only to try and see its of what comes in the box when manufacturers don’t bother with decent pics or descriptions, I rarely read anything they write.
As for my Graphic Comment, yes I meant graphically VIOLENT.
Curiosity.
Binabik seems to be making a big deal about it, so I'm curious. I don't actually care what (a few users of one) web forum (that I occasionally lurk on) say about (a generalised amalgam of users on) another forum that I happen to participate in. Most times when I venture into N&R or DD I end up putting a new person or two onto ignore, so I'm not exactly going to go to war with BGG to "defend Dakka's honour."
The only comment I can see about Dakka in the BGG Hate forum is actually positive (people are complaining about being moderated by the BGG moderators when discussing the game and it’s suggested they post here instead as it skilled for discussion of more mature subjects.
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Post by: Binabik15
We're talking about the same comments, but we obviously interpret them differently.
Dakka was referred to someone wishing for:
"Mr Skeletor wrote:
I wish we'd get a "men and gaming forum" where we could hang out and not have to worry about people coming in being outraged about miniatures or if we are man-children going to hell or whatever.
It's seriously becoming draining"
I guess it can be taken as a positive "that place is mature" or as " it's the right place to circle the waggons and keep those 'others' out, amIrite boys" and I read it as a later going by the context of that thread. And the generally often shocking closemindedness of people doing miniature wargaming. It just stood out to me. Maybe it's KS and several miniature forums juxtaposed to my other main forum which is actually heavily moderated both against hateful posts as well as attacking the responsible posters instead of their arguments. I've read stuff on here dropped in passing, phew.
Sorry for the tangent. My intention is not discussing dakkas honour, I'm just here for sweet news
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Post by: Crimson
Dakka was referred to someone wishing for:
"Mr Skeletor wrote:
I wish we'd get a "men and gaming forum" where we could hang out and not have to worry about people coming in being outraged about miniatures or if we are man-children going to hell or whatever.
It's seriously becoming draining"
Aww, a poor oppressed man baby wants a literal safe place!
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Post by: Aeneades
I only did a search so just saw the one post rating go to Dakka rather than all the posts leading up to it for context, sorry!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
another stretch slotted in between previous o0nes
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
When they're getting only $5-6k, they kinda need to find ways to get momentum going again.
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Post by: Yodhrin
They might not be able to - if they planned this to be a strict "here is a game" KS once all the stretches were unlocked, they may not have all that many models left to reveal.
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Post by: frankelee
Well it seems to have stabilized, much like Ice and Fire did. If it makes an average of 8,000 bucks a day until the end and then finishes like Rise of Moloch that'll be about 1.1 to 1.2 million dollars. Which seems like what you would have expected before the campaign started. Except CMON with their huge stretch goals that make it obvious they thought it would make more, just like with Ice and Fire.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Fungus tribe add on is available now.
At least we've got a visually distinct tribe finally.
Things seemed to have actually dipped overnight, but these guys look like they'll take us over the extra board hump and hopefully unlock that remaining prince soon enough.
Maybe CMON will even put the stretch goals at a more attainable level?
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Post by: Theophony
Already people talking about dumping pledges since there’s $75 in add ons on top of the $120 pledge.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
HATErs gonna HATE?
I never understand why bother pulling pledges so early in a campaign. Why not let it sit and see what happens? It's not like you lose anything in the process.
At least as long as it keeps ticking upward they'll get that prince unlocked and then it's on to newer things.
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Post by: frankelee
highlord tamburlaine wrote:HATErs gonna HATE?
I never understand why bother pulling pledges so early in a campaign. Why not let it sit and see what happens? It's not like you lose anything in the process.
At least as long as it keeps ticking upward they'll get that prince unlocked and then it's on to newer things.
It's the immediacy of emotion. "I'm paying $120 for fewer miniatures than I expected at this price, and now you want me to pay you even more!?!?! I won't stand for it!"
Though when they're getting charged 2 bucks a pop for board game minis, I can't blame them.
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Post by: Theophony
highlord tamburlaine wrote:HATErs gonna HATE?
I never understand why bother pulling pledges so early in a campaign. Why not let it sit and see what happens? It's not like you lose anything in the process.
At least as long as it keeps ticking upward they'll get that prince unlocked and then it's on to newer things.
It is the essence of voting with your wallet. Doesn’t make sense, but when it’s looking like an overpriced game and now they have added a third $25 stretch goal which makes an all in at $195 and the gameplay doesn’t look great, it’s really a good way of saying “show me more so I don’t feel like I’m just paying for a name”. I haven’t put my $1 pledge in and if the deal doesn’t get sweeter (more miniatures for a chaos army and less 3D tokens) then I won’t and I’ll just miss out on a couple really cool figures.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
This should help pad things out a bit for those wanting more players involved.
At least it's all lumped together. At the very least extra dice are always nice to have around.
Then we get this...
...and the pretty painted version
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
and the clearly feel the speed is good enough again hence the uninspiring
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
Could I find $120 US to get a bunch of badass barbarians, sure. Am I willing to admit I'd be buying it just for the minis, yup. Am I gaining to, probably not.
And for the record I think $120 US for the minis alone is a good deal. Just not addicted to KS anymore.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
After Sedition Wars, I stopped buying miniatures sandboxes. Otherwise, I'd have kept Blood Rage and Conan, while backing Rising Sun.
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Post by: smurfORnot
LOL, you really know CMON KS is going not as they planed when they start adding SG every 10k,ahahah
Apparently best strategy with CMON is not to support it
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Post by: ced1106
My theory (which is mine (: is that CMON plans out their SG's, then "moves around the goal posts" so that backers have *something* to keep them interested every few days. We've seen them stretch the goals further apart, so now it's time to shrink 'em a bit. The reality is that CMON has enough revenue that it doesn't really matter how far apart the SG's are. Mebbe all they're doing is retrieving sunken costs...
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Post by: smurfORnot
CMON might have enough of revenue, but they want profit. It's not that it doesn't matter to them. If campaign was going very good, they would not give you SG every 10k because they have no interest to give you 'free' stuff, they are not charity.
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Post by: JazVM
I don't get why the put another random, same-looking clan as the new series of SGs when the campaign is not overly successful anyway. I'd rather see some excotiv monsters/mercenaries added than to have 5 clans that you can barely tell apart. I don't think much more will be happening. I also found it hilarious that they came up with multiplayer rules in a matter of days. Instinctively I'd say that the gameplay will be very mediocre. The only reason for me to back this would be cool minis which they are not handing out yet.
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Post by: Theophony
They may be at $10k stretch goal, but when they are breaking the stretch goals up into nibble sized pieces (2-3 different token upgrades) and the tribes being multiple goals as well.
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Post by: Alpharius
Well, since this is (allegedly) a "Kickstarter Only" game, anything that they had planned to sell *needs* to sell now (and in the PM).
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Alpharius wrote:Well, since this is (allegedly) a "Kickstarter Only" game, anything that they had planned to sell *needs* to sell now (and in the PM).
Indeed. I expect the PM will conveniently gather enough funding to unlock more stuff...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Plastic huts to add some pizzazz and cover up the tokens. Huts are 85mm wide and 50mm tall if you're in need of cheap barbarian- type terrain.
Which unlocked a pile of tokens and Youngbloods for another spiky tribe.
And is pushing towards the next goal, the guy who isn't sharing skulls with the rest of the tribe-
...and the master sculpt.
New Necromancer for Zombicide anyone?
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Post by: JazVM
Have the PVC minis gone up in quality since Blood Rage? Got that recently and while the sculpts itself are awesome the PVC minis suck a bit. Especially for the smaller ones like the clans and small monsters. The detail is so "washed out" it's not that much fun to paint.
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Post by: Gallahad
I'm interested in the plant zombies and those huts. Anyone want to let me add on to their pledge? Not sure how we would work shipping though... And if it would be worth it....
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No, for CMON KS you have to buy the game before you can get the add ons even in the PM
(although if you know somebody who's backing they can add as many as they like)
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Much like the Game of Thrones terrain, I don't get why you'd tool HIPS terrain and not sell it retail. These seem like they'd be solid evergreen products.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I agree. Stuff like huts, hills, trees... that stuff goes beyond a specific game and can really get a lot of mileage on the tabletop. Kinda like Mantic's terrain, which they figured out would sell pretty decently unattached from any specific game with their Terrain crates.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
CMON has form for it though, there was strong demand for the Plastic inserts from WoK (?) and they never bothered releasing them to retail (well their own webstore)..... well except the one design they didn't follow the art on, the Goritsi if I'm not mistaken,
although they did do some with microarts studio a year or two later,
but not releasing the original ones was just daft as they'd already been tooled
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Weren't the Mico Arts the same as the Wrath of Kings inserts though? Or incredibly similar?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
they were designed for the same deep bases, but the designs weren't the same, and they were about a 12-18 months after CMON could have been selling their own (more limited range)
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Post by: Azazelx
I have no interest in those tokens. 
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
They were based off the Groundwerks line, which was for Dark Age. The exception was the "graveyard" ones, which CMON cheaped out on and instead gave us just basic dirt bases (and later gave out refunds on). The setup was very similar to the CMON basing system however, with the deep well.
I had issues with them, as the inserts are smaller than average. A regular 30mm round lip base has about 25mm of "base" area to stand a figure on. The CMON ones have about 21. If you're working with a wide stance figure, they're even more of a PITA to base than normal. I am surprised CMON seems to have just scrapped them entirely. You'd think with them chugging along on Dark Age they'd bring them back.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
New stretch goal is a mercenary...
Plus a painted one-
These models would make great roaming monsters in Massive Darkness...
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Post by: smurfORnot
So to improve mediocre game with more plastic, you buy even more mediocre game,l...good thinking.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 smurfORnot wrote:So to improve mediocre game with more plastic, you buy even more mediocre game,l...good thinking.
If the base game isn't worth getting on its own, neither are any of the expansions.
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Post by: smurfORnot
JohnHwangDD wrote: smurfORnot wrote:So to improve mediocre game with more plastic, you buy even more mediocre game,l...good thinking.
If the base game isn't worth getting on its own, neither are any of the expansions.
Well, most of CMON, especially retail versions of the game, ain't.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
smurfORnot wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote: smurfORnot wrote:So to improve mediocre game with more plastic, you buy even more mediocre game,l...good thinking.
If the base game isn't worth getting on its own, neither are any of the expansions.
Well, most of CMON, especially retail versions of the game, ain't.
Indeed. That's why, of all the CMoN stuff, I've KS'd, I've only kept the Rue Morgue core. Also Sedition Wars, but that's because it's not worth selling, and none of my friends want it. But it neatly illustrates the point about core games needing to be good before spending even more money. All that said, I do have high hopes for Smog, which should be arriving before summer, but even so, I only got a core.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I strongly disagree.
Arcadia Quest was solid out of the box. Black Plague as well. Masmorra was entertaining for a light dice chucker. Dogs of War caused some wonderfully serious butthurt arguments over scheming and backstabbing.
I'd almost argue the opposite- all the superfluous kickstarter stuff isn't even necessary for *most* of the games they've released, unless you play them nonstop. Xenoshyft I thought greatly benefited from the stretch goals and gave you much more of a fighting chance.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
FYI, I didn't back any of those games. I guess I chose badly.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
More terrain for those that liked their board games blinged out or are too lazy to scratchbuild decent looking forests themselves (like me).
Obligatory size comparison-
The way they're supposed to work is they sit in the center of 4 squares, with the roots branching out to keep the spaces on the board usable still.
10 of them for 13 dollars certainly isn't a bad deal, and at 8cm tall they'd be decent for most tabletop games besides this.
They should help unlock these guys, who are about 5k away currently-
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Daaaamn! That's a really good deal on trees!
At this point I think they should run a HIPS terrain KS...
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Thiago clarified it’s 8 trees and that is what is shown on the campaign page.
Threw in a buck incase I want Chaos Marauders and huts/trees whenever the PM hits.
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Post by: Theophony
Just went in for $1 as well. If I can scrape together enough for all in then I’ll back, otherwise they’ll get the$1.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
trees correction, the pack has 8 (not 10 as originally written)
up next
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
The Extra Terrain tiles are an unplanned SG, due to Backers wanting to play parallel games, so CMoN did listen. I suspect CMoN left a little money on the table, as people definitely would have paid for a 2nd playset of tiles, dice, etc.
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Post by: Azazelx
Anyone know if they're doing $1 pledges with the option to PM it up later? I'm going to be out of town all week next week with limited internet, and not in a situation where KS will be a feasable thing - and I'm not yet fully sold on this project.
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Post by: Ctaylor
It would be shocking if they didn't do that.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Azazelx wrote:Anyone know if they're doing $1 pledges with the option to PM it up later? I'm going to be out of town all week next week with limited internet, and not in a situation where KS will be a feasable thing - and I'm not yet fully sold on this project.
Yes, as per the FAQ on the KS page.
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Post by: Alpharius
Indeed!
Can I make just a $1 pledge now?
You can make a $1 pledge now, and when the Pledge Manager goes live after the campaign has ended you can add more funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons you'd like.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
stretch again
Oh and you can buy extra RED dice
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
The lizardmen look great, but what's up with the regular guy on the white base? Why is he a person instead of a lizardman?
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Post by: Nostromodamus
JohnHwangDD wrote:The lizardmen look great, but what's up with the regular guy on the white base? Why is he a person instead of a lizardman?
Lizardmen are people too!
Maybe he identifies as a lizard-person.
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Post by: Barzam
Lizardmen, eh? I could get behind that. I wonder if there's plans for other beastman factions?
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