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What's that issue, re: Rum 'n' Bones?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
What's that issue, re: Rum 'n' Bones?

They used minis from the old miniature line to promote the game in the KS, which were different to the ones backers received.

And some of the ones they did for the KS transferred really poorly into whatever material they were using at the time.

Seems like quite the slowdown for the first day. Weird. And they got a SG within 24 hours for people complaining about thing X already. Whew.

I'll sit this one out the next few days until hopefully some additional Varn are unlocked. Reading updates hyping tokens or people bickering about race representation and all female tribes already is no fun.

I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.

If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.

If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.

I'm the same. The Blood Rage models were good and I like them, but tbh I don't know that they were worth the price on their own merits when bought retail as I did - though I should say that Blood Rage as a product absolutely is, since it's a brilliant game - so since these will likely be similar quality, the quantity needs to ramp up quite a bit more to justify dropping nearly a ton with shipping, even when accounting for the ability to flog the duplicate sculpts and any I really don't like on ebay.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.

If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.

I'm the same. The Blood Rage models were good and I like them, but tbh I don't know that they were worth the price on their own merits when bought retail as I did - though I should say that Blood Rage as a product absolutely is, since it's a brilliant game - so since these will likely be similar quality, the quantity needs to ramp up quite a bit more to justify dropping nearly a ton with shipping, even when accounting for the ability to flog the duplicate sculpts and any I really don't like on ebay.

Same feeling here. Though the new prince they just showed off in update 12 really looks great . I require more figs though at this point. I’ve passed on Rising sun because there wasn’t enough plastic for my taste.

fwiw, BR was designed by Eric Lang, who was only a consultant on this one. HATE is designed by Guillotine Games, who made Zombicide and Massive Darkness. Zombicide was fine because it had a ton of mini's, but MD's gameplay was pretty much yet another HeroQuest custom dice chucker, but with more complicated rules that were more complicated than enjoyable, and took out those neat spells HeroQuest had. See the reviews on BGG for more about MD.

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the fact that Nemesis is doing better at fund raising is annoying a bunch of the KS commentators, queue toys and prams

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
the fact that Nemesis is doing better at fund raising is annoying a bunch of the KS commentators, queue toys and prams

What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?

Hmm. Right now, nobody on the current page of the HATE KS comments mentions Nemesis, so I guess the memo was sent out!

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
the fact that Nemesis is doing better at fund raising is annoying a bunch of the KS commentators, queue toys and prams

What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?

sadly a certain type of backer feels scared and anxious that they might have backed the wrong thing (ie not the most popular thing on KS at the time) meaning less stretch goals, worse sex life, and the risk of the sky falling on their heads

That Um'Gorr prince sure is nice looking.

That's definitely one of the pluses when they have those big hulking characters, sculptors can go nuts adding all sorts of embellishments and details.

The gas tank certainly needs to get filled up here though as the excitement level seems to have dwindled to fumes.

I wear a helmet at all times against unexpected skyfalling, buuut I'd sure like a free copy of that Varn with two-handed axe and chaos warrior helmet before the campaign ends


The only other slow-ish KS from CMON I actively followed was Blood Rage and that released everything they had planned *and* an unplanned SG in the form of Fenris. Nobody should worry if CMON is going to sit on sculpts for this. Just how much will be free vs. paid. Not sure how flexible they're with the planning in this regard and how much they simply juggle the amount between SGs. Of course those SG-unlocked-before-the-previous-SG were always planned to be unlocked before the board, not with another 150k inbetween, no sirre.

I would defend the pace of this Kickstarter, given that it's closer to 'World of SMOG' than 'Rising Sun' or 'Zombicide #' in terms of appeal. With better community awareness now, CMON's campaigns get very frontloaded support making the middle look really slow. What's confusing is their insistence on these huge stretch goal amounts when the campaign has only just begun. It makes it look like support has stalled when you put up a $50,000 stretch goal but it looks like you'll only make $15,000 that day, and it's only day 4.

I will add though, I'm just not sure CMON's strategy of increasing prices with decreasing plastic is going to make them the most money over the long term. Rising Sun was the exception thanks to the designer and sculpting house/miniatures, it's not the rule.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm not too fussed about the tokens, or the rules, or the game itself. Once it's an unbeatable deal for a gakload of Chaos Thugs/Marauders/Khorne Bloodbound I'll grab one or two core sets.

If it doesn't make it that far, then ...meh.

Me too. The game looks uninspired. I thought the same about Blood Rage (I really don't care for that one), but the minis are fantastic.

frankelee wrote:
I would defend the pace of this Kickstarter, given that it's closer to 'World of SMOG' than 'Rising Sun' or 'Zombicide #' in terms of appeal. With better community awareness now, CMON's campaigns get very frontloaded support making the middle look really slow. What's confusing is their insistence on these huge stretch goal amounts when the campaign has only just begun. It makes it look like support has stalled when you put up a $50,000 stretch goal but it looks like you'll only make $15,000 that day, and it's only day 4.

Yesterday, they only got $6k.


If they want $15k per SG, they're already slumping as of the 4th day.

I'm curious how much of a bump this gets at the end.


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 His Master's Voice wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
the fact that Nemesis is doing better at fund raising is annoying a bunch of the KS commentators, queue toys and prams

What's the relevance of another KS campaign to whatever CMoN is doing with HATE? Over 600k is a failure or something?

From a zero-sump POV, a dollar spent on 100% Prodos-free not-Aliens vs. not-Predator is a dollar not spent on HATE.

They're not wrong in that assessment.

Yeah, so much for that projection. They put out an add-on tribe, and according to my bad math only around 10% of their backers have gone for it. I didn't back it myself after being disappointed with how A Song of Ice and Fire turned out, and the fact that I don't think they're providing enough Chaos Marauders for $120. Perhaps even their core supporters are not supporting them enthusiastically for this game.

Right now the value isn’t there. I think they are banking too much on the artists name as a draw, but the edginess of the game keeps it out of a lot of people’s hands. I want the figs for a chaos horde, but not the game for me and my kids to play. Plus the price right now is $145 before shipping if you get the extra clan (which you can’t later at retail so if you go in you must go all in now), and they have pretty much stated that there will be 3D terrain elements to come, most likely an exclusive (very graphic) graphic novel, probably more play mats/boards, dice and other usual add ons.

I just wonder if this will all be available through their website later as they only say not available through regular retail chain.

Art book is up now, and next goal is FORTY savagery tokens. A hefty number to say the least, and interestingly enough it shows up in between the current far off goals. Maybe we're going to see a bit more closer gaps for a bit?





Hopefully we see a lot of sketchwork. Nice to see the comic strips he's doing for the campaign show up here.

I'm hoping we can get Adrian to sign copies! Did they give dimensions on the size of this thing? Hoping it's a bit oversized than the traditional comic. And with a sewn binding preferably...

I am a backer but I haven't raised my pledge so far. I want the add-on clan, but KS has trained me to raise at the end or during the PM. I might raise it for the clan to add to this dead campaign



In the comments the CMON guy said they have a mounted mini or monster big enough to kill a decent-sized rodent. The should throw that in as some fake "planned" SG for 666666$ or 6666 backers or whatever is reached quickly and can be sold as pre-planned for a "big" milestone.

The more I see the HATE logo, the more I’m hoping for a 3D terrain piece that looks just like it. Even if it just becomes a bookend on my shelf life think that would be cool. I still haven’t backed, not sure I will, but I am definitely watching.

 Theophony wrote:
most likely an exclusive (very graphic) graphic novel,

"very graphic" meaning what? Actual graphic sexual violence? Or pre-teen "edgy" grimdork violence of the sort alluded to by GW?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
most likely an exclusive (very graphic) graphic novel,

"very graphic" meaning what? Actual graphic sexual violence? Or pre-teen "edgy" grimdork violence of the sort alluded to by GW?

The books aren’t really edgy at all. Badass may be a better way of describing it tonally. It’s just a lot of cool warhammerish grimdark fantasy stuff.

Why does it have to sexual violence to be described as very graphic?! The GN is about a lil dude bred for slavery and meat and shows all kinds of killing and mutilation (and not finding my copy of the first volume and not even owning the second drives me crauy). It's not as messed up as Berserk with demon gangbang vore, but "graphic" is a deserved moniker, IMO.


If you want to riducle "edgy" don't give Adrian Smith crap, read the KS comments arguing about dead baby tokens yes/no and wanting "a tribe of political correctness boardgamers with placards" to "slaughter"...though "a tribe of SJWs" would be enough, too.


It beats people not getting their heads around a campaign-system game were people, gasp, horror, have to wait for the results of other games and schedule matches.

PS: I won't even quote what was said about dakka on bgg.

US and violence are friends.
US and nudity are arch enemies.

Interesting that HATE is starting the -$420 in the hole. That's not something I've seen on a CMoN KS. I wonder if the campaign is collapsing.

 Binabik15 wrote:

PS: I won't even quote what was said about dakka on bgg.

Link please? I'm curious.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

PS: I won't even quote what was said about dakka on bgg.

Link please? I'm curious.

What’s that matter really? I mean you see comments about BOLS here and BGG as well, we are all different folks with different tastes. I use Board game geeks only to try and see its of what comes in the box when manufacturers don’t bother with decent pics or descriptions, I rarely read anything they write.

As for my Graphic Comment, yes I meant graphically VIOLENT.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Resins that will not be available for purchase but are still used to represent the final product, right?

I think I'm still a little bitter after the Rum'n'Bones KS.

I think that is normal. Even Games Workshop does it. A lot of "Eavy Metal miniatures on the box art is resin, painted by the "Eavy Metal team before the actual plastics in the box go into production. I'd assume it'd be similar for other companies as well.