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CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 11:09:28


Post by: DaveC


CMON KS schedule 29/07/2018

Starcadia Quest 28th August 2018
Project Elite Q4 2018
Trudvang Legends Q2 2019



Previously:

Whilst Warhammer Fest has been going on CMON have also been running their Expo this weekend. Here's some of the news from it - I haven't watched a lot of the videos and probably won't so if anyone wants to summarise feel free.

(Note this is not me starting KS threads or anything else for these games)

Beasts of War have a live blog running

http://www.beastsofwar.com/eventslist/cmon-expo-2018-live-blog/

Learn To Play - coverage



First up their big announcement is Death May Die - Coming to KS second half of 2018

From Be Bold Games - https://mobile.twitter.com/BeBoldGames

Death May Die designed by @eric_lang and @robdaviau but it’s not a legacy game.

It’s about shooting Cthulhu in the face. It’s an episodic game where you’re going to lose most of the time. Each player will play an investigator with a unique set of skills. You start the game insane and the premise is that there’s a cult who started an unstoppable summoning of Cthulhu or Hastur. You start insane but you can go too insane. You lose if your investigators all die. There are a deck of insanity cards. You can trust each other’s absolutely but you can’t trust yourself. You have to tactfully use your insanity to your advantage. A game against Cthulhu will be completely different than a game against Hastur. There are codependent characters where one relies on another character. There might be a guy who’s a pyromaniac and if he goes crazy, then he might just set everything on fire. Very similarly to The Others, this game is going to be incredibly hard and most likely, you will die. You can not control the AI. This game is fully cooperative. It’s set in the 1920s and every episode stands alone. It plays in 60-90 minutes. Each episode is fully self contained but we put them in order of difficulty. It won’t be a campaign game. They considered it but they did not go that route due to the commitment requirements. Some episodes are swarming and dungeony and other episodes are NPC driven.

“This game is very different from The Others. I wasn’t satisfied until my playtesters said they’d have both this and The Others on their shelf”
“This game is a power gamer fantasy. The only way to win is the kill an ancient one.”
“We’re going for the TV show vibe”

We’ve been working on this game for a year and a half. The KS will be in the second half of 2018.


Learn To Play - Interview with Eric Lang



Beasts of War interview with Eric Lang








Next Arcadia Quest Riders - Flash KS already announced for May 21st to 25th



Arcadia Quest: Riders, an all-new expansion for the Arcadia Quest line of games. Guilds will now be able to recruit Mounts to their team, helping them get around the map and offering unique abilities while fighting the all new threat: Malkhor, a hunter with an eye for big game. But we’re not going to let him take our big, beastly buddies (even if it means working alongside other Guilds once in a while).

Join us for our first flash Kickstarter from May 21 to May 25. Unlike our normal Kickstarter projects, we’re only offering Arcadia Quest: Riders for a short amount of time with some cool, exclusive extras that will be available from the start of the campaign. Running a shorter campaign and removing stretch goals by offering all exclusives from the beginning helps ensure fast delivery of the game to our backers!


Images from Be Bold Games




Dragon Castle

From BoW

Dragon Castle kind of turns Mahjong on its head by making it competitive. Play revolves around a center board with absolutely beautiful tiles. Here’s that great tactile aspect we often talk about. On your turn, you can take tiles to create your own board in front of you. Your goal is to complete shrines and claim the most points. There’s tons of strategy and it’s easy to learn and fun to play.





13 Clues

From BoW

This is a deduction game where each player is trying to uncover which 3 cards are hidden from their view- in plain sight of everyone else! Game play revolves around paying close attention to what you see and how everyone else answers the questions. It’s a race to see who can solve their mystery first. It was super fun, but requires a lot of thinking. You HAVE to pay attention!





A Song of Ice and Fire

Q&A video (from BoW)






Dark Age and Wrath of Kings miniatures showcase (i'm not sure if there's anything new as I've lost track of these games.




Gizmos

Gizmos is one of the latest games from CMON. If you like Potion Explosion, you will love this game- it’s like Potion Explosion on steroids. In this one, players compete to build the most Gizmos to score the most victory points in the end. There’s quite a bit of strategy as well as a screw your neighbor aspect in that you really need to pay attention to what your opponents are up to.


Game Demo from BoW




Images from Be Bold Games





Richard the Lionheart

In Richard the Lionheart, players will work together (kind of) in support of the throne or not. Each turn, you bid your pledge to the cause to advance the trackers. When I mentioned “kind of” before, that’s because each player has a secret victory condition that may or may not help the team achieve its goal- but in the end, only one will win.


Images from BoW











CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 11:54:41


Post by: Mysterio


Thanks for that Dave!

From what I could see, there didn't look to be anything new there for Dark Age.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:02:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




I can see why they've gone the way they have with these mount sculpts, but I really don't like it, so probably the first AQ pass from me

(wonder if the KS will be 1 or 2 weeks?)


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:05:13


Post by: DaveC


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

I can see why they've gone the way they have with these mount sculpts, but I really don't like it, so probably the first AQ pass from me

(wonder if the KS will be 1 or 2 weeks?)


Yeah I don't like it either but I get the design choice. KS is 5 days only May 21st to 25th. I'll probably pass unless it's sub $50 and shipping is low (shipping has been getting more and more expensive on CMON KS recently). Might be worth a $1 wait and see pledge.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:06:38


Post by: Mysterio


A 4 day campaign?

That seems like an odd choice...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:09:29


Post by: DaveC


 Mysterio wrote:
A 4 day campaign?

That seems like an odd choice...


Sorry 5 days I forgot to include both the first and last day. I guess this is a test to see what happens when you cut out the middle and have just the first 2 and last 2 days.


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I forgot the add Kick Ass to the above- due Q3





and Narcos

CMON Limited announced today that they have teamed with Gaumont, the oldest film company and producer of Narcos to design and publish Narcos: The Board Game, based on the Golden Globe and Emmy ® award-nominated television series.

Narcos: The Board Game, designed by Fel Barros and Renato Sasdelli, puts two to five players in the roles of the series’ most powerful characters and factions as they rewrite the story behind the rise and fall of El Patrón. One person acts as El Patrón, managing a growing narcotics empire while trying to keep their location on the board a secret. The remaining players lead the Hunter Factions: the DEA, Policía Nacional de Colombia, Cali Cartel, and the guerrilla extremist group. These seemingly disparate groups are united in their common interest to discover the hidden position of El Patrón, sharing information and discussing strategies. If the El Patrón player manages to complete their secret objectives without being captured by the Hunters, they win. However, if the Hunters are able to uncover El Patrón’s location, they succeed in their mission and win.

“Working with Gaumont to bring Narcos to the tabletop has been an incredible adventure,” commented David Preti, CMON’s Creative Director. “Every aspect of this game is carefully coordinated with the Gaumont team to ensure that the show fans love is brought to life on the tabletop unlike anyone could have imagined, while also appealing to players who have never seen the show.”

“CMON is known for its focus on high-quality and engaging games and we trust them to develop and design the first Narcos board game title that will allow our millions of Narcos fans to immerse themselves within the storylines and characters of the show” added Tim Stephen, Head of Legal and Business Affairs at Gaumont.

Narcos: The Board Game is scheduled for release in Q4 of 2018 with an SRP of $54.99.


Both are retail releases.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:28:43


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


It's certainly going to be interesting to see what a stretch goal free KS (for minis/games) looks like in backers eyes,

my guess is even if the initial offering is great value (and I'm unconvinced this will be simply because it's small so even adding 100% extra 'stuff' won't seem a great deal) without the steady uptick in extras a lot of people won't be able to see it


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 12:57:59


Post by: NAVARRO


Is it me or most is Boardgames and PVC minis and Kickstarters?
Pass.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 19:16:36


Post by: DaveC


 NAVARRO wrote:
Is it me or most is Boardgames and PVC minis and Kickstarters?
Pass.


You've just described CMONs entire business model Only 2 of those games are going to KS (and 1 only as an experiment really) the rest go straight to retail.

One more that I missed Blue Moon City







and some Narcos images








CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 23:21:43


Post by: NAVARRO


 DaveC wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Is it me or most is Boardgames and PVC minis and Kickstarters?
Pass.


You've just described CMONs entire business model


What happened to Dark Age, high quality and collectors/ltd editions miniatures for painters etc?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 23:36:34


Post by: BigDaddio


 NAVARRO wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Is it me or most is Boardgames and PVC minis and Kickstarters?
Pass.


You've just described CMONs entire business model


What happened to Dark Age, high quality and collectors/ltd editions miniatures for painters etc?


Based on what I've seen and experienced, it seems that CMON has shown they will only provide support for a limited time on any non-board miniatures game. Both Dark Age and Wrath of Kings have devoted players frustrated that CMON doesn't do more for those games. Will be interesting to see how they handle the GoT mass-battle game after it's been out a year or two. By and large it does appear that CMON's business model focuses on releasing a game (via KS or otherwise) and then moving to the next one.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 23:40:37


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/13 23:50:58


Post by: thekingofkings


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 01:17:04


Post by: Gallahad


 thekingofkings wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 02:43:57


Post by: thekingofkings


 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.


pretty much have to agree there *specifically you are talking nasier, they have a reason for it, but....yeah... The art style is a big issue, I am not a fan of the art, though some of the models I like, the fluff I really like the rules are what keeps me in.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 03:28:25


Post by: Sqorgar


 Gallahad wrote:
I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.
Personally, I'm perfectly fine with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around. I really liked the jellyfish faction better though. I do think the art style is somewhat offputting, though not because of the adult subject matter. It's just an exaggerated, kind of ugly style that I would only occasionally describe as aesthetically pleasing.

For me, I needed a cheap and easy way to try out the game. The starter sets were $70 per faction, and with nobody around who played it, I'd have to foot the bill for two starters just to demo games. The two player starter kit (Honor and Treachery) came out way too late, and by then, the game had already started to wane. I liked the starter enough to consider investing in an army, but really, the game was dead by then. I think it is too late to save WoK, but the same system with a different artist and an easier path to new player interest could probably do very well. It could even be in the WoK world, since the lore in the rulebook is actually quite good.

Meanwhile, I've never seen Dark Age available at any of the online shops I frequent, and I've never seen them in person anywhere. I wouldn't even know how to start Dark Age if I wanted to (and I'm curious to).


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 03:32:11


Post by: Gallahad


 thekingofkings wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.


pretty much have to agree there *specifically you are talking nasier, they have a reason for it, but....yeah... The art style is a big issue, I am not a fan of the art, though some of the models I like, the fluff I really like the rules are what keeps me in.


Nasier pretty much being unusable in many settings plus the core trooper types of Shael Han being really boring pretty much knocked two factions off my interest list from the get go, then you add in the fact that through some combination of melty details and weird design I just can't make heads or tails of the Hadross Deepmen and it was pretty much over for me since I get more hobby time than I get game time.

Related to the other announcements, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Cthulhu game. Did they say in the video there wouldn't be stretch goals for that campaign? If there is enough stuff in the box from the get go I'll back it. I'm a sucker for Lovecraftian horrors.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 03:36:36


Post by: Sqorgar


 Gallahad wrote:
Related to the other announcements, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Cthulhu game. Did they say in the video there wouldn't be stretch goals for that campaign? If there is enough stuff in the box from the get go I'll back it. I'm a sucker for Lovecraftian horrors.
That's apparently how they are doing the Arcadia Quest Riders kickstarter next week. 5 days, no stretch goals. It's weird because Riders is supposed to hit retail on Jun 29, so that's roughly a month to finalize and ship everything out to backers. Seems a bit iffy to me.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 04:18:11


Post by: Theophony


 Sqorgar wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
Related to the other announcements, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Cthulhu game. Did they say in the video there wouldn't be stretch goals for that campaign? If there is enough stuff in the box from the get go I'll back it. I'm a sucker for Lovecraftian horrors.
That's apparently how they are doing the Arcadia Quest Riders kickstarter next week. 5 days, no stretch goals. It's weird because Riders is supposed to hit retail on Jun 29, so that's roughly a month to finalize and ship everything out to backers. Seems a bit iffy to me.

If there are no stretch goals and everything’s in boxes in the warehouse already, then it’s just like a presage. Slap UPS labels on it and go.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 05:35:35


Post by: Monkeysloth


Look through all the BoW coverage and really didn't see anything that struck me as interesting, guess that's good for my wallet, but can't help but wonder if they'll have a 5th KSer this year since Arcadia is just a short pre-order.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 06:18:56


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Is it just me, or does Death May Die sound incredibly similar mechanically to Mantic's Hellboy: The Board Game?

The cooperative role of the player characters, the two-part gameplay of investigation and boss fight, with the former being against a doomsday tracker that increases the fight to impossible difficulty, minions/subordinates trying to kill you to make the investigation harder

Biggest difference so far, pending actual official releases of DMD's mechanics, is the insanity meter.

Not suggesting anything, and I'm always down for an Eric Lang title, but it's quite the coincidence


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 13:39:02


Post by: Gallahad


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Is it just me, or does Death May Die sound incredibly similar mechanically to Mantic's Hellboy: The Board Game?

The cooperative role of the player characters, the two-part gameplay of investigation and boss fight, with the former being against a doomsday tracker that increases the fight to impossible difficulty, minions/subordinates trying to kill you to make the investigation harder

Biggest difference so far, pending actual official releases of DMD's mechanics, is the insanity meter.

Not suggesting anything, and I'm always down for an Eric Lang title, but it's quite the coincidence


That is a good point. Hopefully they are both well executed (to be clear I think the probability of a good release is high in both cases).




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.


pretty much have to agree there *specifically you are talking nasier, they have a reason for it, but....yeah... The art style is a big issue, I am not a fan of the art, though some of the models I like, the fluff I really like the rules are what keeps me in.


Nasier pretty much being unusable in many settings plus the core trooper types of Shael Han being really boring pretty much knocked two factions off my interest list from the get go, then you add in the fact that through some combination of melty details and weird design I just can't make heads or tails of the Hadross Deepmen and it was pretty much over for me.

Related to the other announcements, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Cthulhu game. Did they say in the video there wouldn't be stretch goals for that campaign? If there is enough stuff in the box from the get go I'll back it. I'm a sucker for Lovecraftian horrors.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 14:41:13


Post by: Aeneades


I believe the no stretch goals mentioned was for the next Arcadia quest campaign as it’s only 5 days long and the games are already sitting in the warehouse ready to ship as soon as the campaign ends.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 15:12:58


Post by: Popsghostly


Damn. Can’t wait for that Death May Die KS lol. Invader was so much fun. Late 2018 that seems to coincide with that new Rogue Trader game so Xmas will be expensive…


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 16:08:40


Post by: Mysterio


Dark Age does receive regular monthly releases (almost all of which are fantastic!) and Bryan Steele does regular rules updates, live chats, etc.

It is a great game that is a lot of fun and tactical, and on the quick side to play too.

But yeah, CMON can't keep a lot of it in stock in their own online store, and apparently burnt quite a few bridges one or two times in the past attempting to distribute it?

A shame, as it really is one of the best looking and playing games on the market.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 17:11:01


Post by: Vermonter


Agree about WoK Nasier - I don't mind if other people enjoy the BDSM element or CMON's cartoony house style in general, but they're not for me.

Death May Die looks worth watching, even if "Shoot Cthulhu in the face" is one of the dumbest hooks I've ever heard. CMON doing Lovecraft is exciting in and of itself, as it may finally give us a Cthulhu miniatures game with good qualilty sculpts and high production values. (What about Cthulhu Wars? Props to Petersen for game design and heart, but the minis aren't good enough for me.) That said, the Death May Die monster minis shown so far are fine but none of them set me on fire yet, and with the possible exception of the canine-faced ghoul, they look more Lovecraftian than Lovecraft, i.e., Cthulhu-inspired rather than direct representations of his actual creatures. If they're going to do Cthulhu and Hastur, I hope they'll go whole hog and pull from the classic menagerie. Otherwise, why bother? As for the human figures, I definitely don't need a herd of 40+ KS exclusive 1920's civilian characters with guns, axes, shovels, whatever. Maybe if they go down the Zombicide homage route a little and do takes on famous pulp characters like The Shadow etc. I might get more interested in them. Otherwise my interest will depend on how many different monster sculpts they do, and how outstanding the sculpts are. The miniature casting quality, if its anything like Black Plague's, should be excellent.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 17:30:58


Post by: Gallahad


 Vermonter wrote:
Agree about WoK Nasier - I don't mind if other people enjoy the BDSM element or CMON's cartoony house style in general, but they're not for me.

Death May Die looks worth watching, even if "Shoot Cthulhu in the face" is one of the dumbest hooks I've ever heard. CMON doing Lovecraft is exciting in and of itself, as it may finally give us a Cthulhu miniatures game with good qualilty sculpts and high production values. (What about Cthulhu Wars? Props to Petersen for game design and heart, but the minis aren't good enough for me.) That said, the Death May Die monster minis shown so far are fine but none of them set me on fire yet, and with the possible exception of the canine-faced ghoul, they look more Lovecraftian than Lovecraft, i.e., Cthulhu-inspired rather than direct representations of his actual creatures. If they're going to do Cthulhu and Hastur, I hope they'll go whole hog and pull from the classic menagerie. Otherwise, why bother? As for the human figures, I definitely don't need a herd of 40+ KS exclusive 1920's civilian characters with guns, axes, shovels, whatever. Maybe if they go down the Zombicide homage route a little and do takes on famous pulp characters like The Shadow etc. I might get more interested in them. Otherwise my interest will depend on how many different monster sculpts they do, and how outstanding the sculpts are. The miniature casting quality, if its anything like Black Plague's, should be excellent.


I agree Vermonter, if I back DMD it will be for the monsters. You've actually made my stomach churn a little at the thought of it being run as a Zcide style campaign adding primarily just new investigators with a bunch of "For the LULZ!!!" homages... That would be awful.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 23:28:42


Post by: thekingofkings


 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
They throw enough crazy plastic in the Cthulhu game I'll bite.

Really disappointed with the lack of any Wrath of Kings news. Seems like Westeros will completely replace it. A shame.

Then again, it's not like there was much news on Dark Age either...


I am pretty convinced that WoK is one of the best games available on the market today, I would love to see more for it (especially rpg, standalone board game, etc..)


I think where they went wrong with WoK was with the art direction. The art direction is a saturday morning cartoon/original Zombicide type style, but then they mix that with really adult type bdsm themes that would have worked better with a grittier art direction/world. I personally never got into the game because I don't want to play a game (or have rule books sitting around) with a bunch of naked bdsm women and monsters running around for a variety of reasons, one of which is how jarring it is with the cartoon/exaggerated style of the miniatures.


pretty much have to agree there *specifically you are talking nasier, they have a reason for it, but....yeah... The art style is a big issue, I am not a fan of the art, though some of the models I like, the fluff I really like the rules are what keeps me in.


Nasier pretty much being unusable in many settings plus the core trooper types of Shael Han being really boring pretty much knocked two factions off my interest list from the get go, then you add in the fact that through some combination of melty details and weird design I just can't make heads or tails of the Hadross Deepmen and it was pretty much over for me since I get more hobby time than I get game time.

Related to the other announcements, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Cthulhu game. Did they say in the video there wouldn't be stretch goals for that campaign? If there is enough stuff in the box from the get go I'll back it. I'm a sucker for Lovecraftian horrors.


arent we all, and they can really pull a fast one if they want to since most of those horrors are indescribable nightmares anyhow bad cast? who knows. It still eats people so good to go


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/14 23:32:09


Post by: Aeneades


I don’t think they will go with the celebrity inspired characters with DMD. They didn’t with The Others or several other recent non-Zombicide games so can see it being the same here.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/05/15 03:43:01


Post by: ced1106


I'm up for more investigators! Dad smoking a pipe! Ottoman with a fez! Works for me!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/07/29 12:15:57


Post by: DaveC


So I've repurposed the Expo thread for this as it didn't seem worthwhile to start a new thread.

Recent CMON games news

Project: Elite - Kickstarter Q4 2018
those unreleased Sedition Wars minis finally get a release (this is not connected to Sed Wars just using those minis)



CMON Limited announced today they are producing an updated edition of the widely-acclaimed board game Project: ELITE by designers Konstantinos Kokkinis and Sotirios Tsantilas. Originally released in 2016, Project: ELITE is a unique real-time, cooperative board game like no other.

In Project: ELITE, players are members of the ELITE squad on a mission to stop the invading forces of an alien empire. Stopping the invasion will require players to speedily roll dice as they take part in real-time, 2-minute combat rounds against waves of terrifying enemies. Once the ELITE members take their turn, the aliens will react. The game continues in this fast-yet-tactical series of rounds until the scenario is won or the aliens take the Earth.

CMON’s new edition was developed based on community feedback from the initial release. Players can expect all-new art by Stefan Kopinski, Saeed Jalabi, and Henning Ludvigsen, all-new miniatures by Studio McVey, with personal oversight by Mike McVey, new card designs, new weapons, new ELITE members, new enemies, and more. Beyond the base game, CMON will also introduce expansions and more through a Kickstarter campaign set for Q4 2018.

CMON’s Production Manager, Thiago Aranha recalls, “When Project: ELITE released, gamers loved it. We saw their feedback and knew CMON could take the game to the next level with a new edition that upped the production value to match the high-quality gameplay.


Zombicide RPG:

You’ve fought zombies in the malls. You’ve fought them in the morgues. You’ve fought them in the prisons. You’ve fought them in castles. You’ve fought them in hedgerows. You’ll soon be fighting them in space. But this new Zombicide lets you fight zombies in an all-new way. CMON has announced a new Zombicide Role-Playing Game.

From the announcement:

CMON Limited announced today that they have partnered with Need Games!, an up-and-coming Italian RPG publisher, to design and publish Zombicide: The Role-Playing Game (Z:RPG), based on the celebrated board game franchise.

Z:RPG, designed by Marco Maggi and Francesco Nepitello, merges the classic zombie-bashing action that players expect from the Zombicide line of board games with the exciting character creation and development of an immersive role-playing game. An intuitive set of game rules will allow players to create original Survivors during a Prologue that narrates the players’ first contact with the undead menace. Then, the Survivors will plunge head-first and galvanize into a group of die-hards with their first adventure: “The Crossroad”. This adventure will allow the players to describe where and how they got together, and why they watch each others’ backs. “The Crossroad” is a fully-customizable entry point, created to allow for different play-styles and settings, whether a classic urban locale, an infested shopping mall or hospital, a remote scientific lab, and more.


Trudvang Legends Board Game - KS Q2 2019




CMON Limited will be launching a Kickstarter campaign for Trudvang Legends, an upcoming storytelling board game based on the successfully crowdfunded Swedish RPG: Trudvang Chronicles. Steeped in epic Nordic and Celtic myths and sagas, players will take the roles of legendary heroes who make their mark on a dynamic, everchanging fantasy world.

Designed by Eric M. Lang, Guilherme Goulart, and Fel Barros, Trudvang Legends thrusts players into a cycle of epic sagas, where their achievements will change not only the world itself, but the very rules by which gods, peoples and nature interact. They will quest through an interwoven series of Adventure Books, and the results of their choices will echo through history: changing the relationships between sovereign nations, usurping kings, creating new waygates, or even locking and unlocking parts of the map.

Change in Trudvang Legends manifests physically, as parts of the board actually change, making the actions of previous hero generations affect future sagas. However, the changes are only as permanent as long as history remembers them, which makes the game endlessly replayable, and even playing the same Adventure Book repeatedly will have a completely different feeling, because the world itself has changed. Heroes, following a path of destiny, will even become historical fixtures as they become Kings, Guildmasters or even Gods!

Trudvang Legends features incredible art by Paul Bonner, Alvaro Tapia, Gio Guimarães, and Henning Ludvigsen and graphic design by Fabio de Castro and Júlia Ferrari. Heroes and monsters will be represented by highly-detailed miniatures sculpted by Juan Navarro Perez, Arnaud Boudoiron, Edgar Ramos, and Aragorn Marks.

“We, at RiotMinds, could not ask for a better partner than CMON to elevate the Trudvang franchise.” says Theodore Bergquist, co-founder of RiotMinds. “The work we’ve seen so far is absolutely stunning and all the Trudvang fans out there will see the world come to life for sure.”

“The world of Trudvang presents us with an exciting opportunity to create a really innovative game based on the cycles of history and legend,” said Lang. “We’re looking to push some boundaries with this game, and really commit to the concept of a living world.”

Trudvang Legends will launch on Kickstarter in Q2 of 2019.



Munchkin Dungeon



CMON Limited announced today that they have teamed with Steve Jackson Games to design and publish Munchkin Dungeon based on the award-winning card game.

Munchkin Dungeon captures the same playful sense of humor of the original card game, while providing a completely new experience. It is the first collaboration between designers Eric M. Lang (Blood Rage, Rising Sun, Arcadia Quest) and Andrea Chiarvesio (Richard the Lionheart, Kingsburg, Hyperborea).

In the game, 3-6 players will enter a dungeon and attempt to collect the most treasure and achieve the highest character level. They will have to push their luck if they want to be successful in their adventure, but if they come across a foe that’s a little too big to face, they can always run away. If players choose to take the cowardly (albeit occasionally logical) route of avoiding danger, they will earn Shame which will be counted against them at the end of the game. You can’t be a hero without exhibiting a little bravery!


Starcadia Quest Kickstarter 28 August -already has it's own thread



CMON’s newest Kickstarter promises to be out of this world! Starcadia Quest is an all new stand-alone campaign game for 2 to 4 players. The dastardly Supreme Commander Thorne is looking to control the galaxy (at least a good portion of it) and each player leads a crew of two heroes flying through space on a quest to defeat him. While they share the same goal, the different crews are not exactly in league with one another. They will compete as much with each other, as they do with Thorne and his army.

Players choose the direction their campaign takes, following different branching paths, each with their own unique experiences along the way. They must choose which opportunities to pursue, and which ones to leave behind—a decision that can have serious consequences later in the campaign.

Starcadia Quest takes place in a remote galaxy. A galaxy filled with aliens, lasers, treasure, and rugged heroes ready to take on anything. It’s coming to Kickstarter on August 28 at 3 PM EST, so prepare your star chart, begin the countdown, and set your phasers for fun!


Wacky Races Board Game



MON Limited is off to the wild-world of cartoon racing with their upcoming release of Wacky Races, in partnership with Warner Bros. Consumer Products, based on Warner Bros.’ popular Hanna-Barbera cartoon. Recreate the crazy, fun, and yes… wacky races from the adventurous 60s animated series.

Wacky Races puts players in the “driver’s seat” with control of their favorite drivers from the cartoon series, including The Slag Brothers, The Gruesome Twosome, Penelope Pitstop, Peter Perfect, and more, each with their own car equipped with special abilities. They’ll compete against each other—and the game-controlled, mustachioed Dick Dastardly and his wheezy pup Muttley. Each racer is depicted with amazing art from the Warner Bros. archives and CMON’s artist Giovanna Guimarães and beautifully sculpted miniatures.



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/07/29 13:11:20


Post by: porkuslime


Just might have to dive into Wacky Races.. remember them fondly thru a haze of foggy memory in the 1970's.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/07/29 15:26:04


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 porkuslime wrote:
Just might have to dive into Wacky Races.. remember them fondly thru a haze of foggy memory in the 1970's.


*snickers like a dog*


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 17:00:24


Post by: DaveC


From Gencon via Beasts of War

Project Elite minis (mostly recycled Arms of Sorrow minis)



Staracdia Quest







Wacky Races







A Song of Ice and Fire Nights Watch and Free Peoples Starters






CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 17:03:34


Post by: Hulksmash


Wrath of Kings.....


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 17:33:46


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well good to see Project elite gets some decent minis.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 17:51:16


Post by: Monkeysloth


Oh, ya. Those giant Trudavag minis right from the Paul Bonner artwork. Pretty psyched for this.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 17:55:10


Post by: infinite_array


 Hulksmash wrote:
Wrath of Kings.....


Please. Just a little closure. Tell us that the game is dead. It's fine. We understand. There's enough unit variety out there to last a little while longer yet.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 18:27:24


Post by: Hulksmash


 infinite_array wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:
Wrath of Kings.....


Please. Just a little closure. Tell us that the game is dead. It's fine. We understand. There's enough unit variety out there to last a little while longer yet.


Essentially this. If they tell me it's dead I'll grab a last few things and prepare for this to be a game I teach my kiddos as it's fast and easy. I can break out 4 armies whenever for funsies if friends want to play but telling me it's dead means I can wrap it up like other dead games where I'm happy with it and be done.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 19:24:40


Post by: Undead_Love-Machine


Has anyone played the original Project Elite? Just wondering what people thought of it.

I'd like to be able to use some of the resin minis from the sedition Wars universe in a board game, the monsters in particular were quite nice.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/02 19:44:45


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Project Elite was a lot of fun. It was very frantic once the action phase started and the timer ticks down.

As long as everything is one piece molds I won't be too worried about the models. The original ones are pretty ugly, but they took the abuse of getting flung off the table as we rushed to meet the enemy advance.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/05 02:31:24


Post by: odinsgrandson


 Hulksmash wrote:
 infinite_array wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:
Wrath of Kings.....


Please. Just a little closure. Tell us that the game is dead. It's fine. We understand. There's enough unit variety out there to last a little while longer yet.


Essentially this. If they tell me it's dead I'll grab a last few things and prepare for this to be a game I teach my kiddos as it's fast and easy. I can break out 4 armies whenever for funsies if friends want to play but telling me it's dead means I can wrap it up like other dead games where I'm happy with it and be done.



When someone on TGN criticized CMON for trying to support too many tabletop miniatures games, the moderator (Polar Bear) pointed out that there hadn't been any new releases for Wrath of Kings.

That's probably the clearest declaration of death we're going to get.

A few big events that CMON never announced:

- Cancelled sequels to Sedition Wars (they had lore and minis made)
- No follow up to Rivet Wars
- Split with Gamezone (CMON used to be their US caster).
- Split with Sodapop


So, yeah- not announcing that Wrath of Kings is over. Maybe they think that a post mortem would kill their chances of moving remaining stock, or maybe they want to keep their options open in the hopes of using that property again. Maybe they just don't like to announce bad news.

In any case, we're not going to see the game's death announced.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/05 15:33:38


Post by: BigDaddio


If CMON wonders why they aren't selling any items for a game they don't promote then they are way out of touch. Doubly so if they think that most gamers are stupid and don't know to wait for their annual sale where those items will likely be less than half price. They have no one to blame for the death of this game but themselves. That's the reality they made for Wrath of Kings which is a shame. I love the game and it's one of the very few non-board miniatures games I own any more. Anyone considering backing a CMON Kickstarter project should decide if they are okay buying a game that will get little if any promotion or follow-up outside of the actual project and it's initial retail release. That's just CMON's pattern, though admittedly I didn't realize that back when I backed WoK.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/05 17:31:00


Post by: His Master's Voice


If Trudvang Legends has enough Bonner designs, I might actually buy into a CMoN KS again.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/05 21:07:53


Post by: Monkeysloth


 His Master's Voice wrote:
If Trudvang Legends has enough Bonner designs, I might actually buy into a CMoN KS again.


As far as I can tell the core minis they've show off so far are all based off of his designs. Jen Haley had some pics on facebook of the ones she painted for Gencon. Now Bonner isn't the sole artist for Trudvang, I've got all the RPGs, so I wouldn't be surprised if some stuff isn't based off of his work but a lot probably will be.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/08 08:28:52


Post by: Samko


Trudvang looks very interresting, I love Paul Bonner's work and the gameplay sound promising too.

Zombicide RPG cool be nice too, as an opportunity to use all the different minis from the boardgame.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/08/08 21:40:18


Post by: odinsgrandson




It was announced by Sodapop. CMON hasn't ever said anything about it officially.

And that announcement came after the split, by quite a bit- long enough for CMON to develop Arcadia Quest as a replacement for Super Dungeon (the announcement was after the AQ kickstarter had ended- it was during the Forgotten King Kickstarter).


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 08:13:30


Post by: DaveC


Project Elite is the next KS up

Project: ELITE is CMON's next Kickstarter campaign coming later this year. This is a brand-new edition of the critically-acclaimed game from Artipia Games. Combining the frantic real-time dice-rolling and tactical gameplay of the original with updated art, components and graphic design, this new version of Project: ELITE will prove an intense and heart-pounding experience for all players.





Might have to pick it up just for the minis as I have the SW:AoS rules for them. I see Vokker's (or whatever he's called now) weapon has been redesigned just as well as the original was too thin to transfer to PVC. The minis would probably also be useful in Zc:Invader - crossover perhaps?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 08:46:05


Post by: PsychoticStorm


I find it charming a game that failed because of the models despite a really good system and the models that failed because of the system despite them been really good models (ok its more complicated in their case) are combined into one product.

They should be useful to ZcI more or less they are the models we all expected ZcI would have, if CMON is modestly intelligent one of the faux streachgoals will be datacards for ZcI


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 13:18:09


Post by: Mysterio


This looks like a game that CMON's already KS'd?

A few times?

But those million dollar campaigns do pay the bills/keep the shareholders happy, I suppose.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 13:29:29


Post by: Mutter


No, CMON have only taken over the IP now.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 15:46:09


Post by: Mysterio


I didn't mean they've literally KS'd this game already, just a bunch that are very reminiscent.

I do wish that CMON would show more love to their only actual wargame too though.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 16:09:03


Post by: Gallahad


The good reviews for project elite have me wondering if I should have skipped Zcide Invader in favor of this as my cooperative sci-fi game....


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 19:05:14


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


A great way to milk both this and Invader would be to have a crossover hero pack. Hell, toss some Xenoshyft crossovers in just for fun!

Same scale, same manufacturer, throw in a bonus KS exclusive figure... $$$.

You're welcome CMON.

We had a lot of fun with Project ELITE for what it's worth, despite the ghastly figures.

I hope for an online countdown/ app/ game tracker with dramatic effects for the timer.

Plus the big huge boss monsters should be quite impressive this time around- they were quite large in the previous iteration!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 19:15:00


Post by: PsychoticStorm


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A great way to milk both this and Invader would be to have a crossover hero pack. Hell, toss some Xenoshyft crossovers in just for fun!

Same scale, same manufacturer, throw in a bonus KS exclusive figure... $$$.

You're welcome CMON.

Crossover hero pack, crossover monster pack, both ways.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 20:15:21


Post by: Gallahad


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A great way to milk both this and Invader would be to have a crossover hero pack. Hell, toss some Xenoshyft crossovers in just for fun!

Same scale, same manufacturer, throw in a bonus KS exclusive figure... $$$.

You're welcome CMON.

Crossover hero pack, crossover monster pack, both ways.

Urgh.. Don't tell them. That would probably get me to back, whereas I think I can skip this one as is.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/12 20:29:59


Post by: whalemusic360


Is there any use of the old Sed Wars minis for Project Elite? If so, I'm interested.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/13 00:55:15


Post by: skullking


Trudvang looks excellent! I hope it's chock full of monsters and heroe minis.

Wacky Races seems like a great game for parents and kids. Or those of us old enough to remember the show.

Is Munchkin Dungeon a miniature based Dungeon crawler game with the Munchkin theme? I hope it's not just a bunch of cards, that's what the original game already is!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/09/13 04:37:42


Post by: ced1106


> Is Munchkin Dungeon a miniature based Dungeon crawler game with the Munchkin theme? I hope it's not just a bunch of cards, that's what the original game already is!

IIRC, Munchkin Dungeon was originally a Munchkin Arcadia Quest game. There *is* a Munchkin CCG, by Eric Lang, that is a card-only game.

Not much info on MD, but here's the blurb : https://www.cmon.com/news/cmon-limited-announces-munchkin-dungeon-with-steve-jackson-games-15dc4d61-d721-4e7e-ae92-8740b2664666


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 13:03:51


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well, as reported from tabletop fix





CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 13:17:44


Post by: Siygess


Is it me, or do all of CMON's games look the same now?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 13:18:59


Post by: Necros


The gal with the pistols ain't so bad, but not really a fan of the scorpion thing.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 13:31:28


Post by: DaveC


 Siygess wrote:
Is it me, or do all of CMON's games look the same now?


This is what happens when Adrian Smith is in charge of your art department it’s all looking very samey but if it can crossover with Zc Invader then that’s a positive.

The Searsting (scorpion) looks a bit like a larger bone crab I guess they are keeping some of the Sedition Wars/Arms of Sorrow design as thats what some of the minis were designed for.

I’ll be backing just for the minis I have a few in resin already but I’d like to have more of the cannon fodder type stuff.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 13:35:40


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Making Adrian Smith their art department manager was a bad idea.

Still so far looking better than ZC invaders.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 15:23:33


Post by: Chairman Aeon


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Making Adrian Smith their art department manager was a bad idea./quote]

You take that back!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 15:31:39


Post by: RiTides


I do think their art direction has really suffered the last year or so - not sure on the cause, but I agree with the criticisms here. That scorpion-with-face model is extremely uninspired... especially the sculpted render at the top left of the first pic above.



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 15:36:30


Post by: PsychoticStorm


 Chairman Aeon wrote:

You take that back!


I will fully admit I do not like his style and technique, but the point of an art director is to guide/ shape and safeguard the branding of the companies art direction, not to turn all the companies art to whatever he would draw/ like to see.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 16:12:53


Post by: ecurtz


100% agree with PsychoticStorm, Adrian Smith isn't doing anything good for CMON's visual identity.

I swear I saw that scorpion thing as a terrible rod puppet in some late 80s direct to video Alien ripoff...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 16:13:32


Post by: Monkeysloth


Agreed. Another easy pass for me.

I should be happy with their change in art as it saves me a lot of money.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 16:17:28


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
 Chairman Aeon wrote:

You take that back!


I will fully admit I do not like his style and technique, but the point of an art director is to guide/ shape and safeguard the branding of the companies art direction, not to turn all the companies art to whatever he would draw/ like to see.


So, the reason I love all of Adrian Smith's Warhammer/40k artwork is because he was working at the direction of a seasoned art director, and the reason I dislike most of his CMON art is because he is working at the direction of himself as art director?

Do we now draw comparisons to Image Comics or Shatner directing Star Trek 5?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/11 18:05:06


Post by: ced1106


> Is it me, or do all of CMON's games look the same now?

They're just catching up with every Ameritrash dice-chucker ever. Which are all HeroQuest reskins. Except Project: ELITE.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/13 08:07:58


Post by: nagash42


I think the scorpion thing looks neat.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/13 09:57:15


Post by: DaveC


I've opened a KS thread for Project Elite so as to keep this one as general CMON news and rumours.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/765226.page


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/29 18:31:26


Post by: DaveC


CMON ACQUIRES LICENSE FOR NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD
Oct 29, 2018
Fifty years ago, George A. Romero’s Night of the Living Dead changed the horror movie industry and created the zombie genre. Since then, zombies have become a mainstay in popular culture, and now, CMON Ltd., maker of worldwide best-selling tabletop games including their flagship title Zombicide, has acquired the license from Living Dead Media to create branded board games and associated play accessories (including miniature PVC figures, board, dice and tokens/coins, cards) based on Romero’s original iconic movie. These new games are officially approved by Image Ten, the original production company and custodians of George A. Romero’s iconic film, making them the definitive tabletop products based on the horror classic.

Geoff Skinner, CMON’s VP of Media Development, said of the partnership, “Night of the Living Dead is the quintessential zombie movie. It’s an honor to work with such a property, and we are excited to be able to partner with Living Dead Media and Image Ten on creating a game worthy of the movie’s legacy.”

Spoiler:

[spoiler]


CMON Acquires License for Night of the Living Dead
For this release, CMON Ltd. is once again working with Evolution USA LLC, the licensing and brand management agent of Living Dead Media. Their first collaboration was a tabletop game based on the popular Gaumont-produced Netflix series, Narcos. That game is slated to hit store shelves on November 23rd.

Travis Rutherford, Partner/Chief Revenue Officer at Evolution, said, “We’re thrilled for Night of the Living Dead to be hitting gaming tables all over the world next year and are excited to see what the team at CMON has cooked up. Just like their work on Narcos, we know this will be a fitting addition to a legendary franchise.”

"Living Dead Media and Image Ten are proud to partner with CMON to bring legions of fans a new way to experience Night of the Living Dead. And, Living Dead Media will be honoring George A. Romero by donating a portion of its profits to the newly formed George A. Romero Foundation known as GARF," said Steve Wolsh, CEO of Living Dead Media.

The announcement to create games based on Night of the Living Dead coincides with CMON Ltd.’s opening of their new L.A. office. From there, CMON looks to further work with licensors to create tabletop products. Earlier this year, CMON successfully launched the A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game based on the NYT Bestselling book series by George R. R. Martin as well as Bloodborne: The Card Game based on Sony's best-selling PS4-exclusive video game, Bloodborne. In Q2 of 2019, they will be releasing a family tabletop game based on Hanna-Barbera’s classic Wacky Races cartoon series. The L.A. Office is being led by Geoff Skinner.

Of his mission in L.A., Geoff Skinner said, "CMON is the premiere tabletop gaming company in the world, and I couldn't be more proud to help establish our footprint in Hollywood. By opening an office in L.A., we're looking forward to strengthening our licensor relationships in the film, TV, and electronic gaming communities, as well as to forging partnerships that will expand the narrative of our own IPs into television, features and animation."


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/29 19:41:35


Post by: Theophony


Wonder if Adrian Smith will lend his direction to this


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/29 21:41:30


Post by: Barzam


So, this is going to be based on the original Romero movie, and not the Tom Savini remake? So, I guess that means this time around zombies get to use weapons, will be afraid of light, and whoever plays Barbara gets to be hysterical the entire game while doing nothing.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/30 00:13:20


Post by: ced1106


Maybe Barbara will be an NPC with a random AI (runs in a random direction, screams for a noise counter, etc.) and you have to keep her alive! (Not that the movie succeeded!)

Good to see the Romero estate get some money from this franchise. The original movie lapsed into the public domain, although the other Living Dead movies were copyright'ed.
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2016/10/25/why-night-of-the-living-dead-is-public-domain/


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/30 00:25:46


Post by: Aeneades


There is currently a 50th (!) anniversary HD restoration on at some cinemas in the UK (preceded by a documentary) so they will hopefully be making some money from that as well (the documentary also showed footage of a mobile prequel which is officially licenced).

I had sworn off Zombicide (with the exception of the final fantasy set) but this does have me intrigued as to make a faithful adaption will be quite a departure from regular Zombicide.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/30 05:03:36


Post by: Barzam


I don't think most people are aware of how different the zombies in the original movie are from what was in the later ones. There's still vestiges of I am Legend in it, what with the zombies being afraid of light and all. Plus I could swear several zombies do use weapons in the movie. At least one does use a trowel to kill someone.

You know what would be cooler? A Return of the Living Dead baordgame. It could be a base defense/ horde mode survival game where you have to keep the barricades up and fend off the unkillable zombies long enough for the military to launch a nuke. It'd be like Lost Patrol almost, where the point is more seeing how long you can last rather than if you can actually survive or not.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/30 05:19:05


Post by: Sqorgar


 Barzam wrote:
You know what would be cooler? A Return of the Living Dead baordgame.
I'm down for that (for the Linnea Quigley miniature), but only if the skeletons have perfect teeth.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/10/30 07:05:28


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


 Barzam wrote:
I don't think most people are aware of how different the zombies in the original movie are from what was in the later ones. There's still vestiges of I am Legend in it, what with the zombies being afraid of light and all. Plus I could swear several zombies do use weapons in the movie. At least one does use a trowel to kill someone.

You know what would be cooler? A Return of the Living Dead baordgame. It could be a base defense/ horde mode survival game where you have to keep the barricades up and fend off the unkillable zombies long enough for the military to launch a nuke. It'd be like Lost Patrol almost, where the point is more seeing how long you can last rather than if you can actually survive or not.


Wasn't that basically Zpocalypse? I'm pretty sure that's what the premise of that game is. Surprisingly I've never owned it either...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/12 23:27:42


Post by: DaveC


Blood Rage Digital will be the next Flash Kickstarter campaign by CMON. Featuring Multiplayer and Solo options, the core game as well as many expansions, a customizable AI that can be used to introduce new players to the game or challenge the most strategic Vikings out there, and graphics that will put you in the middle of a war at the end of days, Blood Rage Digital is perfect for any fan of the Eric M. Lang original masterpiece. If that is not enough to get your Norse spirits fired up, this short campaign will also offer a few amazing promos, like new versions of the four exclusive Monsters only seen in the original Blood Rage Kickstarter, and the all-new Stag Clan!

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CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/17 22:05:14


Post by: Monkeysloth


Like they they're redoing the exclusives as new sculpts. I wonder if this means those will go into general retail as Bloodrage probably still sells pretty decently.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/18 16:30:20


Post by: Binabik15


Woah, I'd like Stag Clan but not the rest. Mhm.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/18 17:59:45


Post by: Mysterio


"Flash Kickstarter"... ugh.

So, just a smaller pre-order window campaign?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/20 19:18:19


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured



CMON stock price continued to fall as the company reported losses of $4.1 million for the 9 month period ending September 2018. The company blamed the losses mainly on decreasing Kickstarter revenue and increased convention expenses.

Revenue fell 32.6% from $17.5 million for 2017 to $11.8 million in 2018. The losses were primarily due to decreases in revenue from Kickstarter including ‘A Song of Ice & Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game’ and ‘Arcadia Quest: Riders.’

CMON’s gross profit decline, from 47.5% to 39.8%, was attributed to the increase in fixed costs. Cost of sales decreased as inventories declined and shipping and handling costs dropped. The company also reported a decrease in the sales of advertising space on their website.

Expenses also increased for the game maker due to increase marketing efforts, namely the participation in large scale game conventions.

The company also incurred extra costs related to an application to transfer their stock listing from Growth Enterprise Market (GEM) to the main board.

CMON’s stock continued to slide, closing at 0.16 HKD on Friday, a decrease of 30.4% over last years price.


well it looks like CMON are having a tough time of things

Hate: $1,469,000 and 10,227 backers (probably as good as could be expected, not bad but factions a bit too samey so while you got a bucket of stuff it was all chaos marauder fodder)

Arcadia Quest Riders: $316,000 from 5,272 (seemed to do fine for what it was an sold what was there and more so uninspiring but not a failure)

Zombicide Invaders: $3,353,000 and 18,486 backers (decent but only 2/3 of Green Hordes take although spend per person very similar, uninspired designs)

Death May Die: $2.412,000 and 15,831 backers (poor response to an Cthulhu game, I suspect they expected far more backers even if they didn't expect the demand for giant Cthulhu, poorly run campaign, too many investigators too few monsters)

Starcadia Quest: $935,000 and 6500 backers (poor result, I'm sure they expected 3X this, lots didn't like the aliens, too many paid add ons that were probably intended to be stretch goals, too many mini robots)


that said, and despite blaming it all on KS & Convention expenses one wonders about how much licencing fees to GRRM contribute.... now the KS is done I wonder if what they're selling is actually enough to cover them on an ongoing basis

and what that means for Dark Age & Wrath of Kings








CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/20 19:23:00


Post by: infinite_array


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and what that means for Dark Age & Wrath of Kings


If they're not being sold to other companies that'll continue the line, then they're dead.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/20 19:29:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Probably true (especially WoK sadly),

but they might try a KS relaunch of one or both as a minimal development project


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/20 19:33:01


Post by: Theophony


If they’d do less Kickstarter exclusive add ons I think they’d get more sales. I wanted some of the trees and huts from Hate, and could have possibly bought the hills too. Zombicide barricades and hedges would have sold too. I mean they could have continued to make money on existing molds, but tried to milk the cow too much.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/20 21:46:26


Post by: Gallahad


Yeah, I wanted the huts and trees from HATE a lot, but I didn't $150 want them...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/21 04:07:40


Post by: Mysterio


I guess we know why CMON is throwing out all these "Flash Kickstarters" then.

And yes, have to believe that if CMON is *not* selling the IP for WoK, then it is dead and buried.

Dark Age might get a second (or is it third now? Fourth?) chance but, cynicism aside, don't expect the promised "Soon" announcement on WoK and DA until after their Black Friday sale.

Where they'll likely try to blow much stock out the door as possible.

The closer to 80% off that WoK and DA stuff ends up at will determine whether or not CMON will be moving forward with either (on none) of them.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/22 07:08:48


Post by: 455_PWR


Well, that makes sense why certain items from kickstarter's haven't made retail if they weren't popular in the ks.

As one who had backed almost every cmon kickstarter, I think their kickstarters are fine... as long as they did only a few larger projects a year like 2017 and prior. The smaller projects seem like they are raising cash only to fund the larger projects (stealing from Peter to pay Paul... what soda pop minis had done.). Cmon set the standard for games and ks, but the market is full of games and companies now (mythic, etc, hell the assassins creed game looks ace too!!). If they release too many they will end up like mage knight.

This year they made costly decisions to hire smith, mcvey, and the best game designer out there... they all came with a large cost im sure. The worst decision was to hire a sole artist for their games. Smith is good for horror stuff (7 sins, cthulu, etc), but he doesn't fit in more lighthearted stuff (wok, zombicide, zombicide inv, etc).

They also seem to release their ks only exclusives at conventions. The first zombicide promos should be long gone, but are still there at cons. This has dropped values so folks aren't buying multiple copies for resale/investments anymore.

They have a lot of good products coming and some ace systems (project elite, zombicide, black plague, Arcadia quest, etc). Even though they took a loss I don't think you will see cmon leave the market.

As for wok, I think it was more unique and a less costly system than fire and ice.I don't see fire and ice becoming big, and it's a shame if they stop supporting wok. It is such a good game system, with some amazing minis!!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/22 16:13:04


Post by: parakuribo


 455_PWR wrote:
Well, that makes sense why certain items from kickstarter's haven't made retail if they weren't popular in the ks.

As one who had backed almost every cmon kickstarter, I think their kickstarters are fine...

….They have a lot of good products coming and some ace systems (project elite, zombicide, black plague, Arcadia quest, etc). Even though they took a loss I don't think you will see cmon leave the market.

As for wok, I think it was more unique and a less costly system than fire and ice.I don't see fire and ice becoming big, and it's a shame if they stop supporting wok. It is such a good game system, with some amazing minis!!



The Kickstarters are now what is wrong with CMON. I liked their methods before, when they had a lot of exclusive enemies or charcters while those who did not back it would still have a good selection of expansions. Unfortunately, starting with Green Horde, you begin to see a pattern where you need to back to fully enjoy the game; otherwise, you could be playing either a very easy or very difficult game since every expansion is an exclusive(Massive Darkness and Zombicide: Prison Outreak, although earlier, are two examples those difficulties).

Hopefully, after Zombicide and AQ's latest project they should go back to what made them CMON with new stuff. Unfortunately, hopefully is an made up word to them; they are probably keep using the same crap while abandoning the projects that they refuse to shape(like Dark Age and WoK. I strongly think they are not family friendly to their image which could be why they are discontinued ).

P.S. Rick and Morty games always have a parental advisory sticker. Making Hate KS exclusive because it has mature content instead of placing a sticker on the box is NEVER an excuse.



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/22 23:12:40


Post by: ced1106


I don't think the flash sales are a sign of weakness for CMON. KS backers have long known that 30 days is too long for a KS, with its middle days making less money than the beginning and end ones. Mythic Games is also holding a short KS for its Reichbusters campaign.

I dunno how larger these companies are, but I'm gonna err on the side of small. That month you have a community guy answering questions doesn't work for free, so why keep spending money on a project for 30 days when you can do it for 10?

As for add-ons, expansions don't sell as well as the base game. So, like WotC, CMON may be moving to a model where they want to sell more base units of different games to a larger audience, than have competitions spend hundreds of dollars on a single game.

Which comes to WoK and DA. While Dakka is primarily an audience of miniature gamers, the market CMON is after is not. Boardgamers have *much* more money to spend than miniature gamers and CMON long ago focused its business on them. WoK and DA are still supported, but, by the posts on Dakka about the releases of these games, CMON certainly isn't giving much support. What I make of GoT is that the GoT games and even toy license has been around for all these years, so it shouldn't be unusual that a hobby game company has a license for it. Why a GoT miniatures game? FFG has had the GoT boardgame rights for over 15 years, so that leaves CMON with a miniatures game. The miniature game model of selling retail-only products mollifies retailer complaints about CMON using KS to sell games -- and we don't know if CMON will stop supporting GoT like they are doing with WoK.

Speaking of retailers, I *think* retailers prefer to carry multiple base games of different games than stock many expansions of a single game line. Miniature gamers may not know this, but, for boardgames, the sales of expansions drops a fair amount for later released expansions. So, back to add-ons, having fewer add-ons fits better into this model of selling a base game and few expansion sets.

KS is there for the creator, not the backer. Maybe Mythic and Monolith will resume the previous CMON model, but I'm not seeing this, with Mythic's shortened funding period, and Monoliths' experiment of units made before the KS starts. We'll see.



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:28:37


Post by: Mysterio


At these prices - 80% off Dark Age and Wrath of Kings - it looks like our only hope is that CMON has also already sold off the IP for these two great games as well.

Maybe even also at 80% off too...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:34:14


Post by: Hulksmash


Meh, everything I want to round all all 4 factions that aren't Hadross is available dirt cheap. So I'll finish off the collection today for another $80. That'll bring me all in to a total of around $500. Less than I spend on a single 40k army for 4 full factions. gak happens but I'll have the full game experience available to play.

I will say not everything is 80% off. Quite a bit of the WoK range isn't. It's basically starters and portions of the last two waves that are onsale.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:42:06


Post by: Mysterio


I think if you re-fresh your browser, you'll see differently.

It is ALL of the WoK and DA ranges - or, at least it is where I'm looking at it.

Right now.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:43:43


Post by: Hulksmash


I just swapped pages 2 seconds ago and it's not showing the entire WoK range but I'll take your word for it.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:47:28


Post by: Mysterio


Some of the 'main pages' are not showing the 'correct prices', but the individual pages themselves certainly are.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:48:57


Post by: Hulksmash


Well if it ever speeds up I'll be able to find out on my end


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 05:52:46


Post by: bum4life


i was wondering should one box of each unit from a faction be enough or should i double up any of the boxes. I'm looking at the goritsi and nasier


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 06:01:36


Post by: Hulksmash


One box is likely fine. You might want to double up on one or two of the specialist boxes like the Great Wings or the other Nasir big guy and the flying crazy wolf and super zombie. Outside of that I'd probably just grab 2 starters and one of each other box.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 06:42:02


Post by: Valander


Good lord their site is slow. What's it running on, a TRS-80?

I think I'll go ahead and grab the remaining Nasier I don't have (if it ever loads) just because at 80% off, why not? I do kinda hope that they've sold off that IP to a company that will do something with it.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 06:44:06


Post by: Hulksmash


Well order completed. Now can run anything I want for 4 factions. Plus a bit extra on models I just really like. All told between the kickstarter, selling off random bits and two sales I'm up 4 factions for around $125 each.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 08:00:51


Post by: bum4life





Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Hulksmash wrote:
One box is likely fine. You might want to double up on one or two of the specialist boxes like the Great Wings or the other Nasir big guy and the flying crazy wolf and super zombie. Outside of that I'd probably just grab 2 starters and one of each other box.

so to make sure i got it
Honor and Treachery: The Battle of Ravenwood
1
Nasier Starter Box
2
Nasier Ashman Box
1
Nasier Pelegarth Box
1
Nasier Fel Hammers Box
1
Nasier Rank 1 Specialist Box
1
Nasier Character (Specialist) Box
1
Nasier Great Horn box
2
NASIER- PELEGARTH BRUTES BOX
1
Nasier Firehawk Reavers
1
NASIER- ARKIZAN GREATWING BOX
2
Nasier Izari Warhounds
1
Nasier Character Box 3
1
Goritsi Gotha Knights
1
Goritsi Whitemane Duellists
1
Goritsi - Ravener Alpha
1
Goritsi Blood Engine Box
1
Goritsi Starter Box
1
I got one box of each of the rest of the Goritsi line except the knights and duelists during the last sale.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 13:19:52


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well I got my CMON order in and have finished up my WoK stuff in anticipation of the game disappearing

plus extra flying pigs as who doesn't love flying pigs?

sad all the Dark Age stuff I might have wanted was out of stock (did I miss it or was it all OOS anyway?)

If you're into gribblies/tentacles some of The Others: 7 Sins expansion boxes are discounted and in stock, and don't count as a boardgame for shipping

If you want any sci-fi doors/turrets etc for boardgames grab the Sedition Wars terrain set, again it doesn't count as a boardgame for shipping

happy and sad as I got a bunch of cool stuff but it looks very much like 2 games I like (even if I never played Dark Age) are done


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 13:21:40


Post by: Hulksmash


You dont need the ashman or pelegath ladies boxes as two starters get you 12 of each. Otherwise looks good.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 13:33:42


Post by: lord_blackfang


Prices are tempting even with $25 international shipping, but I don't dare risk being stopped by customs and potentially paying taxes on full price.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 15:02:48


Post by: infinite_array


I ended up ordering the last units from Book 2 that I needed to complete my Shael Han.

I'm tempted to throw in a second order and get all the available Nasier stuff... but since the games basically dead, I think I'd rather just have a single army to take to events and games that pop up.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/23 16:15:02


Post by: Mysterio


Assuming I have one of everything for Goritsi, Teknes, Shael Han and Hadross, is there anything I should double up on?


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/26 23:32:16


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured



What is going on with Rivet Wars? Here is the UPDATE.

Is RW dead? No, since Super Robot Punch owns Rivet Wars we can make or release any RW product we choose. Right now, CMoN is not going to publish future RW products, so we would need to find a new publishing partner to continue to release RW in a box, with minis, printed manuals etc. If anyone has contacts, suggestions or is a publisher, maybe we can find a new home for Rivet Wars.

For now though we’d like to give folks a chance to get the miniatures and rules that they’ve been asking for. Let’s get the Ruska, Ottoman, and maybe some ships...into the fight!

Miniatures - I’m uploading the 3D files to Shapeways. In this way you can pick models you’re interested in and have Shapeways print and send them to you. This has some drawbacks but it gets the models out there and it’s a la carte so if you want to get a Rusk KV-12 tank and only the tank, that’s all you have to order. I’m not sure how fast these will come online, but all the base Ruska units are up there now.

Rules/Stats - We have a lot of rules and stats for the new models. There are also some exciting additions to the rules like Line of Sight and Cover. Really simple but effective and it adds more tactics to the game. This was to be part of the Ruska Ottoman campaign. I’ll compile the stats and rules and release them in digital form as PDFs. This will allow anyone to download the information and get using the new rules and minis.

Other stuff - I’ve been working on a video game version of Rivet Wars. Right now it’s looking pretty great and could hopefully tie in to the board game and some new ideas. Just another way to Get in the Fight!

So what happened with CMoN? For years we’ve been discussing the expansions for Rivet Wars but at this time RW does not fit into CMoN’s publishing plans. They are a great team and made Rivet Wars a reality and I’d love to work with them again if the chance ever presented itself.

Right now I hope this allows folks to get their hands on some of the Ruska, Ottoman and rules that we have planned for and created. A lot of time and work went into these new factions and we want to see people enjoying them. Hopefully we’ll learn a bit as people explore this new content and this may lead to a future release or kickstarter or something else. Thank you all for your support and interest and for getting in the fight!

Link to shapeways:
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/superrobotpunch


well this just dropped on the Rivet Wars facebook, CMON is apparently officially dropping IPs.

Even though it's polite you can see Ted Terranova has all this new content ready to go for a long time and CMON just sat on it, (presumably they had an option, perhaps with a small yearly payment? that's now been given up)


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 02:53:34


Post by: Mysterio


Not sure if I want them to drop WoK and Dark Age.

I kinda think...I don't?

Or at least I want them to either support them (for reals this time!) or sell them to someone who will.

Just dropping them outright would be...odd.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 02:54:30


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Adrian Smith is just mad he couldn't use the name "Rivet Wars" for his Zombiecide Invader designs.



Yes, I know that wasn't the best joke, but it is important at times like this to remember just how awful Adrian Smith's designs were.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 03:32:19


Post by: Sacredroach


I love Dark Age and enjoyed WoK. If CMON drops them, I hope they find a new, solid home. Heck, both are in good position for relaunches and Kickstarters (looking at you, new Brood sculpts).


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 04:08:39


Post by: Barzam


Seems like CMON is rapidly turning into Spartan Games.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 04:16:29


Post by: Monkeysloth


Not really. CMoN finds it more. Profitable to do boardgames with one large expansion and several small ones. Miniature games are long term effort that rarely pay off at the level of the short term boardgame. This doess make the song of fire and ice game likely to be shuttered if holiday sales aren't good knowing their reputation - especially after hearing about the loss they took with licensing fees.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/11/27 09:51:47


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Strange I was thinking what was happening with River Wars, great IP and design mangled in the rules department.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 18:02:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


Blood Rage Digital live.

7 days only. $15 for the game $60 for the game and new minis.

No minis only pledge.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=7s0dqf


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 18:04:17


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Blood Rage digital is live and going to run for 7 days

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=dmiznf

$15 for the steam game (no physical copy) or $60 one including the physical stuff



basically only of use if you missed the original Blood Rage KS and want the extra clan and minis that were KS exclusive. If you got the stuff in the first KS you don't need this (unless you want some female warrior sculpts)


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 18:09:50


Post by: Monkeysloth


The mountain giantess is a step down from the original mystic but the wolfwolmen looks just as bad as the wolfman.

Not understanding why they aren't making the monsters at least non-KS exclusive as surly they could sell those at retail? Maybe blood rage is just too old and the expansions don't sell well (read somewhere that expansions have a shorter shelf life then core boardgames).


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 18:11:43


Post by: ecurtz


The sculpting on the new monsters isn't up to the standards of the original.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 18:16:59


Post by: Monkeysloth


indeed. I don't have any real issue with the wolf or seer and the Stag clan looks great but some of them are really meh.

While I'm not expecting the original KS exclusives to appear I do hope they bring back the 3d token packs as I would like to have some consistency. Though now that I think about it, I could just print tokens.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 19:13:14


Post by: Mysterio


Yeah, I can't see this one doing what CMON thinks/hopes it will do.

Some people who have looked at CMON's latest financials are seeing worrying things, apparently.



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 19:38:03


Post by: Monkeysloth


TBH I don't know what they think or hope it will be. I would assume 250 would be the high end without any addons. It already almost 150k but I know a lot of people in the comments are just backing so they can beg for old KS exclusives.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 20:35:49


Post by: Taarnak


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Blood Rage digital is live and going to run for 7 days

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=dmiznf

basically only of use if you missed the original Blood Rage KS and want the extra clan and minis that were KS exclusive. If you got the stuff in the first KS you don't need this (unless you want some female warrior sculpts)

The 5th player in the original KS was the Ram Clan. It looks to me like everything in this current campaign is new. Just to avoid some confusion.

I agree with everyone that the giantess appears to be a step down in quality. Everything else seems on par IMHO.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 20:50:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that,

the new clan isn't the same as the 5th clan in the last KS, but there are no new rules for it and you can't play a 6 player game by the rules so if you've already got the Ram Clan the only reason to pick up the Stag Clan is for the sculpts, it doesn't give any extra gameplay unless you've just got the basic retail box and want to play with 5 players


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Edit:

and if the folk in the comments think they'll be able to bully CMON into selling them they physical stuff without the game good luck too them

but i'd like to point at every expansion box ever with CMON KS that they've refused to sell without a purchase of the base game (and they're a lot more expensive than $10)


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/03 21:30:44


Post by: Monkeysloth


Ya, I have no idea what those people are thinking. Several I've seen doing that are long time KSer backers and at least one is also long time active on the Reaper Forum so he should know what to expect.

I'm in for now. Price wise it's not bad even if you don't want the game as it's $70 for mainland US.

Stag Clan would be around $20 at retail after discounts (this is the same as the retail 5th clan), the two giants would probably be the same. Wolfman maybe $10 and I'm not sure how big the wolf is so maybe $15?

that's $85 based off of amazon prices plus the game if it's something you want.


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So someone from CMoN has been in the comments section and has stated there's a good chance for an add on for upgraded clan tokens from the original game.

Also no KSE stuff from the original:

We're hearing your suggestions, and will work together to see what we can try and bring to reality. Some of them are just not going to happen (offering the original exclusive monsters), but others just might work out.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/04 20:19:34


Post by: Monkeysloth


Lots of new updates.

Tokens are now an $8 addon and they've also unlocked 3 new version of the god sculpts that are free for anyone with the physical tier. These are the same goes in the retail expansion but larger and with gold paint.









CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/05 11:31:47


Post by: Col Hammer


Oh, extra tokens. I'm tempted in staying on this KS to get those. My KDM set needs nice activation tokens on the four player colours (red, blue, green and brown). I was thinking of raiding my BR set for these, but now I could buy an extra set... decisions...


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/05 18:30:39


Post by: Monkeysloth


They've now unlocked Thor, Heimel and how Hel which is a replacement for a super rare excusive Hili (wasn't even in a CMoN KSer) functionality wise.



Now with Hel, the Stag Clan and the 4 Monsters all the KSer exclusive game elements that are crazy expensive on Ebay (like $200+ per item) have alts but again all KSer exclusive to this campaign.

Still the 60$ pledge is pretty good if you like the game.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 17:49:45


Post by: Monkeysloth


So they've gone though several SG for tokens and such and are now adding the first new gameplay item to the game via the $60 pledge.



The son of the Midgard Serpent that encircles the world, Jörmungandrsson is a completely new addition to Blood Rage! An amazing figure with all new rules. This powerful monster is able to inhabit both the land and the sea, and as such has the unique ability of occupying either Villages or Fjords!


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 17:55:12


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


That pose looks so unnatural that I have an instinctive urge to throw koopa shells at it.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 17:56:00


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Well huh. They keep it up, I may need to grab some of this stuff.

I wish some of their other flash campaigns had as much extra bling with them. Would've kept me watching it at least.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 17:56:26


Post by: Monkeysloth


ya. They really had to come up with something silly to get it to fit into their base size.


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Just noticed how little Project Elite raised and that this will probably beat it. Hopefully this gets CMoN to rethink the course they've been on the past 8-10 months.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 18:20:47


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Project Elite was a pretty lazy campaign with a lot of missed opportunity I thought.

I wonder if we'll see something similar offered up for Rising Sun further down the line.

Maybe with a Gamera or Ghidorah themed Daikaiju replacement....


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 18:27:05


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'll be much more disappointed if we get lazy half-assed do overs of the Rising Sun exclusives


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 18:27:13


Post by: Monkeysloth


They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.

Glad that turned out to not be true as I want the Trudavang KSer next year to go well. Really like the setting and RPG the upcoming boardgame is inspired by.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 19:22:57


Post by: Theophony


I like the big lizard thing, but I backed the first campaign and still have not played it. Bought it for the figs, I feel no need to shell out $60 again for the stag clan and the lizard, I also don’t need Giant golden gods who are going to get painted eventually.

I really hope they turn their around and come up with a non-tentacled/vagina faced game that I can play with my kids.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/07 19:39:08


Post by: Monkeysloth


The game is great, as I really like the Eric Lang zone control games (Rising Sun and Chaos in the Old World are 2 others), but I also bought for minis (post KSer) only this year and could easy do with more.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/11 06:20:40


Post by: Monkeysloth


So ended with a box, pillage tokens, a new giant and large boar mini.

Next game announced is the Munkin boardgame that I believe was mentioned earlier this year (can't remember if at gencon or before).


While the war to end the world comes to an end on the surface of the Earth, deep down below, a new adventure is about to begin. The desire for treasure is a strong lure, and despite the potential danger, the call to enter one more underground labyrinth is just far too tempting!



In Munchkin Dungeon, players will take control of the heroes from the original hit card game Munchkin, like the Wizard, the Dwarf, and the Thief, and delve deep into twisting underground caverns. To come out on top, players are going to have to push their luck, taking risky moves to get ahead. They’ll search for treasure, level up through experience, and of course, face off against a number of deadly monsters! And what would a Munchkin game be without a little backstabbing? Players will want to keep their friends close and their enemies closer… say, within reach of a short dagger.
In Munchkin Dungeon, fans of the series will see the classic adventurers – and monsters! – come to life in highly detailed miniature figures. Players work their way through the board game’s many different routes, moving their minis as they go. Adventures like these are only meant for the very brave or the very foolhardy. If you fall into either of those categories, or both, make sure to check out the upcoming Kickstarter campaign.
Munchkin Dungeon will be the next Kickstarter from CMON, early 2019. Stay tuned for more details as the campaign approaches!



CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/11 06:59:29


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Monkeysloth wrote:
They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.


Indeed, but CMoN isn't alone here, just the worst offender in 2018. The novelty of an expensive KS campaign with a small mountain of "meh" just isn't going to pull the big money on pure hype and FOMO any more. Horizon Zero Dawn TBG was similarly "off", and failed to get my money. Indeed, I didn't back a single new KS in 2018.

Quite frankly, I'm just not willing to drop $150 shipped for a pile of minis when the actual game itself is probably going to disappoint. I might gamble $100 shipped, but more than that, and I'm really skeptical.


CMON News and Rumours - Night of the Living Dead Zombicide, Munchkin Dungeon pg 5 @ 2018/12/11 15:43:17


Post by: Ghool


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.


Indeed, but CMoN isn't alone here, just the worst offender in 2018. The novelty of an expensive KS campaign with a small mountain of "meh" just isn't going to pull the big money on pure hype and FOMO any more. Horizon Zero Dawn TBG was similarly "off", and failed to get my money. Indeed, I didn't back a single new KS in 2018.

Quite frankly, I'm just not willing to drop $150 shipped for a pile of minis when the actual game itself is probably going to disappoint. I might gamble $100 shipped, but more than that, and I'm really skeptical.


The norm for 2018 seems to be $120 plus shipping. I assume it will likely jump to $150 in the next year or so. And that's when we'll see a drop off in these big projects.

It seems a lot of them are struggling to make over 1 million these days, and with each subsequent project they are experiencing diminishing returns.

And it's not just CMON. This seems to be happening with quite a few titles with a few exceptions from some of the newer companies. I don't suspect it can be maintained indefinitely, especially with the US tariffs on imported goods.

And another Munchkin game? Easy pass.