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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/10 16:30:09


Post by: Gallahad


Nice useful sculpts. They don't look as rag tag as I expected, but at least they only have one "just standin' around" sculpt unlike the veterans of the watch unit.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/10 20:38:10


Post by: Monkeysloth


I think the standing around one is a recruiter so be maybe 1 in the box?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/10 21:36:06


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


That's what Night's Watch needs... a buff... something to help them on the table... *rolls eyes*

In all seriousness... if the releases start coming out at a health clip, and stock issues are resolved i'll be a happy boy. I've been playing this game constantly lately and just want more of everything.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 05:54:34


Post by: Gallahad


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
That's what Night's Watch needs... a buff... something to help them on the table... *rolls eyes*

In all seriousness... if the releases start coming out at a health clip, and stock issues are resolved i'll be a happy boy. I've been playing this game constantly lately and just want more of everything.

Yeah from what the locals say the night's watch are ridiculously overpowered. I still bought the starter box because I like the sculpts. I'll probably have to get Wildlings as well at some point.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 18:31:23


Post by: ced1106


Pigs fly!

All-in-one!
Mo' tiles!
Not a KSE (okay, it still is)!
Pigs!



Spoiler:


Spoiler:
What's scarier than a ball of snakes? NOTHING!!!



Alan Moore gets a haircut.



Nyalathotep needs a snakecut.



Mods need their banhammer.



Pork. The other death meat.



Cosplayers are getting weirder and weirder.



Not just ghosts... not just weapons... not just snakes... Why not ghosts armed with weapons *and* snakes?



Scale comparison of Michael Eisner's Disneyland parade idea.








CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 19:03:22


Post by: Monkeysloth


The last two sets are bosses.Witch of Hemwick and Shadows of Yharnam.

Kind of glad I didn't like the video game nor do I care much for Cuthullu mythos stuff or I'd be all over this and that would hurt my efforts to save up for something else.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 19:13:44


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Gallahad wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
That's what Night's Watch needs... a buff... something to help them on the table... *rolls eyes*

In all seriousness... if the releases start coming out at a health clip, and stock issues are resolved i'll be a happy boy. I've been playing this game constantly lately and just want more of everything.

Yeah from what the locals say the night's watch are ridiculously overpowered. I still bought the starter box because I like the sculpts. I'll probably have to get Wildlings as well at some point.


From my experience thus far, Night's Watch are already super strong. HIGH defense, further defensive tricks and loads of model returning options. I think giving them more options in the form of countering their one weakness (low activation counts), is not something that needed to happen. :-p


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 19:31:43


Post by: gilljoy


Really looking foward to this, though I'm not a fan of the kickstarter exclusive expansions, though it's a normal thing with CMON isn't it?

Is there much availability of them on ebay etc?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 19:38:59


Post by: Monkeysloth


There is but at pretty crazy prices. If you don't get them within a few months of release, where they're usually 2x the cost from the kser, you can see them skyrocket up to 10x the kser cost.

There's still a clan from Bloodrage I'd like to get as I like the look, boar, and they're $250 on ebay. Original KSer price was around $25 I think for add on clans (though this one was free).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/11 19:41:53


Post by: gilljoy


Suppose can always add anything else I fancy at backer manager stage


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/12 16:21:38


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well I guess we may have a better idea why the Crystal Brush is moving from Adepticon to the CMON expo

GW has just announced the Golden Demon (USA) is back at Adepticon next year


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/12 18:45:23


Post by: Monkeysloth


I saw posts about that in facebook days ago when this was first announced but figured it was just wishful thinking and not a rumor worth repeating here. Guess I was wrong.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/14 20:52:56


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Last call for the Bloodbourne KS, 4 hours to go

(it wouldn't shock me to see the PM being slightly more expensive given the news about potential tarrifs, I could see CMON wanting to hedge against it just in case)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/14 22:52:39


Post by: Eldarain


Last last call for Bloodborne at under 2 hours remaining.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/15 00:43:38


Post by: ced1106


10K and 18 minutes left!

Gothic lolita waifu harem!



A gentleman (or woman) who may be compensating for something!



Et une boite!



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/15 01:34:55


Post by: Monkeysloth


Awesome. Trudvang is next. That's what I was waiting for with this recent campaign.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/15 01:45:48


Post by: ced1106





Can you tell me more about Trudvang? I guess with the Book of Fables I'm sated with storytelling, but I'd like to know more about Trudvang. Thanks!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/15 02:31:55


Post by: Monkeysloth


It's orginally an RPG that was Kickstarted about 2 years ago for an English translation.

http://www.riotminds.se/games/trudvang-chronicles/

(kickstarter page for lots of art https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/trudvang-chronicles)

The game is a living world game where as you move around and complete objectives things are changed like a city may be raised so it's gone the rest of the game. But unlike a legacy game your actions may not be remembered by history which would cause somethings to reverse (what the trigger is I don't know) so it would be difficult to always play the same game twice.

Plus Paul Bonner inspired minis which is another big plus for me.







CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 09:39:59


Post by: Sim-Life


ced1106 wrote:
10K and 18 minutes left!

Gothic lolita waifu harem!



The doll isn't gothic lolita, shes more mori girl. Yes I felt the need to correct this please do not confuse small obscure japanese subfashions with each other thank you.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 14:32:24


Post by: Gallahad


ced1106 wrote:



Can you tell me more about Trudvang? I guess with the Book of Fables I'm sated with storytelling, but I'd like to know more about Trudvang. Thanks!

That video makes Trudvang look super boring. Hopefully the minis are good. I've been waiting for this one.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 15:03:02


Post by: skullking


I’m really hoping Trudvang is a miniature heavy KS. Not just because the art is so nice, it deserves lots of cool minis (lol), but, if the rpg of the game is as popular as it is, having a solid group of minis to reflect that (special hero classes & races, unique monsters, etc...) is important. Plus, I just wanna ton of Paul Bonner fantasy figures!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 18:36:21


Post by: Monkeysloth


 skullking wrote:
I’m really hoping Trudvang is a miniature heavy KS. Not just because the art is so nice, it deserves lots of cool minis (lol), but, if the rpg of the game is as popular as it is, having a solid group of minis to reflect that (special hero classes & races, unique monsters, etc...) is important. Plus, I just wanna ton of Paul Bonner fantasy figures!


This is pretty much my hope too.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 19:07:30


Post by: Gallahad


 Monkeysloth wrote:
 skullking wrote:
I’m really hoping Trudvang is a miniature heavy KS. Not just because the art is so nice, it deserves lots of cool minis (lol), but, if the rpg of the game is as popular as it is, having a solid group of minis to reflect that (special hero classes & races, unique monsters, etc...) is important. Plus, I just wanna ton of Paul Bonner fantasy figures!


This is pretty much my hope too.

The "storytelling game" part has me worried this will be filled with expensive, heavy cardboard that excites board gamers ala Solomon Kane rather than the sweet sweet plastic crack we all know and love in these parts.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 19:18:46


Post by: Monkeysloth


I'm OK with that if the gameplay actually looks good. Solomon Kane didn't hit that mark for me.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 21:08:49


Post by: Mymearan


Trudvang has been around for 19 years, and the original books are still some of the most beautiful and original RPG books I've ever seen. Stellar world building. That said, a choose-your-own-adventure, dudes-on-a-map game is not what I had hoped for... that teaser alone really deflated my hype.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 21:25:38


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Does Trudvang have any reptilian player races?

That'll be my criteria.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 21:26:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


Nope. It's all Scandinavian. Very Dwarf heavy. Most monsters are Trolls.

I don't even think there's a lizard race at all in the monster manual.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 22:22:01


Post by: DaveC


CMON have published their 2019 Q1 report

https://cmon-files.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/cmon_file/file/356/e_09255_AD_1___CMON__ESS.pdf

Turnover up - $6,808,476 versus $2,671,285 last year
Gross profit - $2,650,385 versus $761,480
Profit/(loss) before income tax $81,813 versus ($1,250,798)

Retained earnings at 1st Jan 2019 $9,246,137
Total Equity $22,667,619

During the three months ended 31 March 2019, we have launched one Kickstarter game namely Munchkin Dungeon with fund raising of US$701,618. We will continue to launch games that attract and retain a significant number of players so that we can grow our revenue base and sustain our competitive position.

Our revenue increased by approximately 151.9% from approximately US$2.7 million for the three months ended 31 March 2018 to approximately US$6.8 million for the three months ended 31 March 2019, primarily due to the increase in revenue from wholesalers and Kickstarter. The revenue from wholesalers increased from approximately US$2.5
million for the three months ended 31 March 2018 to approximately US$5.2 million for the three months ended 31 March 2019, primarily due to sales from wholesalers in the United States of America. During the three months ended 31 March 2019, we recognised Kickstarter revenue of approximately US$1.6 million mainly due to the shipment of Cthulhu: Death May Die , HATE, Starcadia Quest and Zombicide: Invader



Everything looks positive especially in light of the losses they were running at one point last year. I suspect the wholesale figures are inflated by them dumping a lot of stock cheaply and it remains to be seen if this is a once off. Interesting that KS only accounts for about a quarter of their income. Q2 should be boosted by the Bloodborne money although it depends when they recognise that income.

They are also opening a physical store in Singapore this weekend.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 22:27:41


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Nope. It's all Scandinavian. Very Dwarf heavy. Most monsters are Trolls.



I feel like I've already bought this product from CMON.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 22:31:25


Post by: Gallahad


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
Nope. It's all Scandinavian. Very Dwarf heavy. Most monsters are Trolls.



I feel like I've already bought this product from CMON.

But this time there will be more than two sculpts per clan?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/16 23:31:51


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


You make a compelling argument.


*Looks at previous three campaigns' sculpt quality*
...perhaps.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 01:18:15


Post by: skullking


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Does Trudvang have any reptilian player races?

That'll be my criteria.


Not sure how humanoid they'll be, but definitely lizards/dragons will be there.

I did find this guy.



Spoiler:


Plus, how can you resist this amazing Musk-Ox/ Yak Minotaur, who hangs out with his dwarf pals?
Spoiler:


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 01:32:48


Post by: Monkeysloth


Ya, there are lots of Wyrms, undead, fey and such. I don't have the first thing you posted in any of my books, obviously there's a lot not translated to English yet.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 01:57:19


Post by: skullking


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Ya, there are lots of Wyrms, undead, fey and such. I don't have the first thing you posted in any of my books, obviously there's a lot not translated to English yet.


It just came up in a google image search for 'Trudvang Monsters', so it might be from something else Paul Bonner did.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 03:22:37


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Can't argue with Paul Bonner Yaktaurs!

Now I gotta go wrestle that artbook of his off the shelf and flip through it.

I jest about the need for reptiles... kinda. Skeksi troll is interesting.

I too wouldn't mind a mini- heavy game, as the living board sounds kind of like what 7th Continent and Tainted Grail are already attempting to do.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 22:37:38


Post by: Alpharius




Did the report break it down by board games versus miniature wargames again?

Last time they did that, it didn’t look good for miniature wargames continuing with them.

I’m guessing this impressive turnaround is due mostly to their board games and kickstarter revenues?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/17 23:43:09


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Alpharius wrote:


Did the report break it down by board games versus miniature wargames again?

Last time they did that, it didn’t look good for miniature wargames continuing with them.

I’m guessing this impressive turnaround is due mostly to their board games and kickstarter revenues?


Wasn't Wrath of Kings the only miniatures game they really had at last reporting? It would've been no wonder it looked bleak if that was the case. At least locally it would seem Song of Ice and Fire is moving briskly.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 00:10:42


Post by: Gallahad


Locally Song of Ice and Fire has really taken off. There is even an upcoming tournament at my small flgs!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 01:13:33


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Gallahad wrote:
Locally Song of Ice and Fire has really taken off. There is even an upcoming tournament at my small flgs!


Ditto. It stays out of stock at my FLGS due to constant interest. I'm glad to see it too as the wife and I are crazy about it.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 02:31:10


Post by: Alpharius


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:


Wasn't Wrath of Kings the only miniatures game they really had at last reporting? It would've been no wonder it looked bleak if that was the case. At least locally it would seem Song of Ice and Fire is moving briskly.


Dark Age too - never forget Dark Age!

(Though CMON seems to have forgotten it themselves... )


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 06:31:42


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I won't forget Dark Age! Remember Samaria!

I even came across the updated Brood sculpts online. Half tempted to get them just because.

Also isn't there a Shovel Knight board game coming too? Or is that probably after Trudvang?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 08:43:42


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Shovel Knight is from Panda Cult Games (the folk who did Cult of Barnacle Bay) not CMON, and is due to hit KSsometime this summer


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 09:16:02


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Have recently gotten into ASOIAF over here in the UK and Asmodee's distribution is really creating issues with getting products at retail. Any idea how long their deal with CMON is?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 10:07:02


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


until further notice I should think, it's only just started

(and since their pre-Asmodee distribution for Wrath of Kings and Dark Age was rubbish too i'd look at them as the problem more than the distributor)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 13:25:37


Post by: endtransmission


 skullking wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
Ya, there are lots of Wyrms, undead, fey and such. I don't have the first thing you posted in any of my books, obviously there's a lot not translated to English yet.


It just came up in a google image search for 'Trudvang Monsters', so it might be from something else Paul Bonner did.


A few of those are from Jorgi's Bestiary, the others are in the player's guide and the GM guide. Some, such as the Och Drakar Demoner image, are mirrored and split across double page spreads


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/18 22:21:41


Post by: DaveC


ASOIAF tournament rules

https://asoif.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/pdf/pdf/21/SONG_Tournament_Guidelines_v1.0.pdf

TRACKING THE ENEMY
May 17, 2019
Eschewing the comforts of modern society, the Free Folk live beyond the edge of civilization. This means that most of them are still living a nomadic hunter/gatherer lifestyle. While southerners might look down on this way of life, when the Free Folk march to war, it means that their skills in stalking and snaring prey in the forests translate well to the battlefield. A man can be brought low by a well-placed trap just like any wild game. This month, Free Folk players will be able to add units of Trappers to their forces.

Free Folk Trappers pack a pretty hefty punch for only costing four points to field. They have both ranged and melee attacks, an Order, as well as not giving up victory points when destroyed. With all of those things going for them, their individual stats might not seem very impressive, but it’s about having a whole package in a single unit. Their Wilding Bows are short range but hit about half the time. The unit is slightly better at ranged attacks than melee, so players will do well to keep them from getting engaged with the enemy. Another reason to keep them back is their relatively poor Defensive save of 5+, as well as their Morale value of 8+. This is not a unit that will be able to handle protracted engagements with the enemy.



However, there is a way to make sure the enemy doesn’t get to them, and that’s liberal use of their Order, Hidden Traps. When issued, an unengaged enemy unit that’s moving within Long Range suffers D3 Wounds and their Charges become Disorderly on a roll of 1-2. Being able to deal wounds directly to an enemy, with no need to hit and no Defensive save, makes this inexpensive unit really punch above its weight class. Even mounted knights with heavy barding will want to be wary when Free Folk Trappers are around. As so many enemy abilities hinge on successful charges, the Free Folk Trappers can easily help protect not just themselves, but the main elements of the Free Folk force from enemy aggression.

The Free Folk Trappers are a perfect supporting, flanking unit. Commanders will want to keep them away from the enemy as much as possible, harrying from the sidelines. They are not a unit that will be running up the middle of the board, spearheading a charge or what an army’s defensive line will form around, but they will do their best work from the wings. They work well with hit and fade tactics, keeping away from the enemy, but just close enough for their bows and Order to take hold. Keeping them protected will be key. While may never have the highest Wounds-dealt count, they can certainly be a thorn in the opposing commander’s side for a game.

The Free Folk Trappers will be available May 23rd.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/19 13:26:35


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Those Trappers are excellent, but its weird seeing a release for a unit literally every Free Folk player owns two of, already. :-p Especially when like ten other units are still trapped in preorder hell.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 18:04:01


Post by: DaveC


Webstore will remain closed until August


NEWS OUR WEBSTORE IS REOPENING IN AUGUST!

The CMON Webstore will be reopening in August. Meanwhile, you can still find all of our great games and products at one of our trusted retailers.


Updated ASOIAF rulebook and Errata

v1.4 Rulebook:
https://asoif.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/pdf/pdf/57/Rulebook_v1.4.pdf

v1.4 Errata Document:
https://asoif.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/pdf/pdf/56/Errata_v1.4.pdf

Starcadia Quest gets a comic

https://www.idwpublishing.com/action-packed-starcadia-quest-tabletop-game-expands-to-comics-for-the-first-time/

CMON Expo is next week so expect more news then


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 21:09:56


Post by: Alpharius


Maybe that's when "SOON" will become reality in terms of the Final Fates of Dark Age and Wrath of Kings?

They recently said that they can no longer offer replacement parts for Dark Age models, so I mean, that, combined with everything else, is already telling us what we need to know, but maybe, just maybe CMON will let someone else buy the IP and continue the game?

(Please?)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 22:30:17


Post by: Monkeysloth


Well we know Miniature Market bought all the dark age stock that CMoN had so unless they also bought the rights to the game (which MM did do with All along the Martian front) I don't think there's a second life for the game.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 22:33:47


Post by: Theophony


 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe that's when "SOON" will become reality in terms of the Final Fates of Dark Age and Wrath of Kings?

They recently said that they can no longer offer replacement parts for Dark Age models, so I mean, that, combined with everything else, is already telling us what we need to know, but maybe, just maybe CMON will let someone else buy the IP and continue the game?

(Please?)


Maybe they are switching to plastic .......sorry I shouldn’t get your hopes up .


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 22:38:55


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


It was confirmed Miniature Market bought it all up?

Then why aren't they selling it?

Seriously I've been itching to hunt down certain models and it just plain isn't possible! Nobody has them!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/24 22:47:52


Post by: Monkeysloth


Yes, they posted here in dakka.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773780.page#10436082

Miniature Market purchased all of the Wrath of Kings and Dark Age miniature products from CMON. We are currently working to inventory all of the Dark Age and should have it for sale shortly on our website.

Steve @ Miniature Market


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 00:00:50


Post by: Sarouan


Yeah and MM did the same with Wrath of Kings. We will certainly see the sad news "soon" as well...

Guess CMON will keep ruining Kickstarter with their practices (exclusives, pre-order, saturation of market...), and do nothing for long term development of their games. It's all about short term gains now...a shame, really.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 01:08:37


Post by: Theophony


 Sarouan wrote:
Yeah and MM did the same with Wrath of Kings. We will certainly see the sad news "soon" as well...

Guess CMON will keep ruining Kickstarter with their practices (exclusives, pre-order, saturation of market...), and do nothing for long term development of their games. It's all about short term gains now...a shame, really.


I think they decided to back and support ASOIAF instead of their other lines because of demand and more of a head to head against GW.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 01:09:23


Post by: ced1106


Afaik, The majority of sales for a product -- or at least boardgames -- is its initial release.

CMON *is* supporting long-term development, but for Song of Ice and Fire. Other retails companies have dropped their support of long-term game lines, and I don't think a company can maintain such support for more than a few lines.

It's the gamer's fault for this, or at least boardgamer's. Search on "boardgames cult of the new".


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 01:58:42


Post by: Gallahad


I know there is a lot of positive talk about Dark Age around here, but although I tried I could never get into the aesthetic. It was a ceunchy sci-fi skirmish game centered around close combat, instead of guns and ranged attacks. It just never made sense to me.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 02:11:52


Post by: Monkeysloth


ced1106 wrote:
Afaik, The majority of sales for a product -- or at least boardgames -- is its initial release.

CMON *is* supporting long-term development, but for Song of Ice and Fire. Other retails companies have dropped their support of long-term game lines, and I don't think a company can maintain such support for more than a few lines.

It's the gamer's fault for this, or at least boardgamer's. Search on "boardgames cult of the new".


Well lets also be honest. Neither Dark Age or WoK probably sells enough to justify keep making them. Board games are a much easier sell then minis because you don't have to do much support for them -- usually an expansion or two if even that. While miniature games need monthly releases, tournament support, new books and so on. It's a really crowded market that's harder to be in then with Boargames (which is also crowded but has a much wider audience).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 16:07:26


Post by: Ghool


ced1106 wrote:
Afaik, The majority of sales for a product -- or at least boardgames -- is its initial release.

CMON *is* supporting long-term development, but for Song of Ice and Fire. Other retails companies have dropped their support of long-term game lines, and I don't think a company can maintain such support for more than a few lines.

It's the gamer's fault for this, or at least boardgamer's. Search on "boardgames cult of the new".


A company will discontinue a line/game for one reason only - it wasn't selling enough.
I don't know how or why board gamers buying up new board games should, or would affect the sales of a miniatures game.
The two markets share some crossover, but I wouldn't expect sales of Age of Sigmar to be affected by GW making stand alone, one and done board games. If anything, it would draw more customers into the miniatures games they do sell. It becomes a segue for board gamers to get into their more lucrative product.

So, rather than place the blame of a lack of sales on board gamers, how about instead shift that to how products are marketed. I would bet that if there was a Dark Age board game released on KS that segued into the miniature game, that those players wanting more of the IP would end up getting it through the miniature game. It would have likely shot sales of the miniatures game up significantly.
This is what GW does and it works marvelously.

Don't blame other gamer niches for poor marketing and sales.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 16:09:35


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


I am attending the UK Games expo, do CMON tend to bring stock with them to trade shows to sell or do they just demo and show off their products?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 16:37:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


In the USA they bring a bunch of stuff to sell including stuff you normally can't get like KS exclusives etc

but not sure what they'll have here in the UK, my suspicion is they'll have stuff but only what is in the normal distribution chain (or is going to end up there in the next few months)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 18:36:49


Post by: Smokestack


Miniature Market put up a pre-order for a AOIaF Baratheon starter set, and Baratheon Stag knights.

Wonder what will be in the starter. Kind of excited.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 19:29:15


Post by: DaveC


Looks like Miniature Market jumped the gun a bit as the new stuff is supposed to be revealed next Friday at the CMON Expo

What’s Over the Horizon for the A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game

Peek behind the curtain and see what new and exciting releases are coming for the A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game. Game designer Michael Shinall will discuss upcoming releases, including some sneak-peeks and reveals. He’ll answer your questions and talk about adding new flavor to the game while keeping everything balanced.
#ASOIFTMG

Friday: 12:00-1:00pm


Panels are to be live streamed on facebook.

Baratheons makes the most sense at this stage, 2 factions in one just do different hero boxes.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 20:08:37


Post by: skullking


I hope CMON does a sequel Kickstarter to Massive Darkness, I really like that game. It seems like many of their series went sci-fi in the last year, but hopefully we can get a legit continuation of that one. The Zombicide additional content for it has been nice though. If world of smog, and rum & bones can get sequels, that seems only fair to give MD one. Perhaps put rules for the characters & creatures in Trudvang to be used with MD & Zombicide?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 20:53:22


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


@DaveC:

A list of upcoming ASOIAF releases:





CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 21:16:46


Post by: DaveC


Just checking back Baratheons were announced at GAMA forgot about that so we'll probably see the minis on Friday.

It took a long time to finally release those Black Guard and the Stone Thrower they were previewed well over a year ago.





and here's the artwork for the Builder Crossbowmen as It hasn't been posted yet

[Thumb - cmon-ltd-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-expansion-nights-w.png]


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/25 23:49:05


Post by: ced1106


> I don't know how or why board gamers buying up new board games should, or would affect the sales of a miniatures game.

Both FFG and CMON dropped their miniature lines because boardgames made them more money for less support (support being resources spent by the company to support the game for expansions, tournament support, etc.). It's a matter of prioritizing their resources for what types of products they can release. That's why FFG has a reputation of putting out a miniatures line, such as Runewars and Battelore, then dropping it after a few years. CMON is doing the same for Wrath of Kings and Dark Ages (?). CMON should license the games to a company that will support them.

> I hope CMON does a sequel Kickstarter to Massive Darkness,

Sadly, the boardgame community asked for campaign rules for MD, CMON listened, and the rules bombed. I'm not seeing any more CMON KS games designed by Guillotine Games, who designed Zombicide and Massive Darkness. CMON seems to be riding Eric Lang's name hard, with Eric being the lead game designer or something. Michael Shinall's name keeps coming up in CMON game designs. Or maybe CMON's just shifted from external to internal house game designers, and MD may be collateral damage. MD *is* a very good product for CMON, since it, like Zombicide, has a hefty number of miniatures that are non-unique, so you can get more miniatures per mold, I guess. Michael : https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/75733/michael-shinall

This is just speculation, but I'm guessing that MD was supposed to be the franchise that took over Zombicide and Arcadia Quest, both of which are suffering expansion fatigue. Song of Ice and Fire may be that franchise, but I dunno if what's being released to retail is there because CMON wants to show they're supporting retailers and these products were already planned years ago, or if this is stuff they're selling because Song of Ice and Fire is honest-to-gosh making CMON money. At least they have Eric's name they can keep using, although I dunno for how much longer.

EDIT: Thanks, Monkeysloth!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/26 01:01:21


Post by: Monkeysloth


ced1106 wrote:


I'm not seeing any more CMON KS games designed by Guillotine Games, who designed Zombicide and Massive Darkness.


According to BGG they did Hate, Cthulhu Death may die (still in production) and Zombice Invader (which should deliver in a month-ish) so CMON is still working with them plus there's the Bloodrage video game KSer that has some new minis and so I'm sure Guillotine is involved with that like they were the core game. Probably just do one-two games a year per design studio/partner. CMoN so far this year has teamed with Steve Jackson Games and Riot Games so they're clearly not shifted to be 100% in house.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/26 14:26:58


Post by: Ghool


ced1106 wrote:
> I don't know how or why board gamers buying up new board games should, or would affect the sales of a miniatures game.

Both FFG and CMON dropped their miniature lines because boardgames made them more money for less support (support being resources spent by the company to support the game for expansions, tournament support, etc.). It's a matter of prioritizing their resources for what types of products they can release. That's why FFG has a reputation of putting out a miniatures line, such as Runewars and Battelore, then dropping it after a few years. CMON is doing the same for Wrath of Kings and Dark Ages (?). CMON should license the games to a company that will support them.

> I hope CMON does a sequel Kickstarter to Massive Darkness,

Sadly, the boardgame community asked for campaign rules for MD, CMON listened, and the rules bombed. I'm not seeing any more CMON KS games designed by Guillotine Games, who designed Zombicide and Massive Darkness. CMON seems to be riding Eric Lang's name hard, with Eric being the lead game designer or something. Michael Shinall's name keeps coming up in CMON game designs. Or maybe CMON's just shifted from external to internal house game designers, and MD may be collateral damage. MD *is* a very good product for CMON, since it, like Zombicide, has a hefty number of miniatures that are non-unique, so you can get more miniatures per mold, I guess. Michael : https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/75733/michael-shinall

This is just speculation, but I'm guessing that MD was supposed to be the franchise that took over Zombicide and Arcadia Quest, both of which are suffering expansion fatigue. Song of Ice and Fire may be that franchise, but I dunno if what's being released to retail is there because CMON wants to show they're supporting retailers and these products were already planned years ago, or if this is stuff they're selling because Song of Ice and Fire is honest-to-gosh making CMON money. At least they have Eric's name they can keep using, although I dunno for how much longer.

EDIT: Thanks, Monkeysloth!


FFG started as and has always been, a board game and RPG publisher. Just because they made several forays into miniatures gaming and failed, does not mean board gamers are to blame.
This is a marketing problem, and it's also why FFG has dropped almost all but licensed IP.
Because a board game publisher didn't make money on their one try at a minis game, does not mean that board gamers are to blame.
It's been marketed wrong, because FFG is a one-trick-pony.

The same can be said for CMON. They really only started on KS with board games, and purchased several IPs to try their hand at miniatures games. It's obvious that they know how to market a board game.

The same cannot be said for minis games. They take a lot more capital and resources to maintain. Board games do not require constant releases, tournaments, a large and healthy community LGS support and more. And that all costs money, which sales must support.

If a line of products lose money, don't blame anything but the way it was marketed. Seriously, why are you blaming other gamers for a lack of support from a company? Because those gamers are cheaper and easier to market to?

Fact is, stuff goes away when it doesn't sell or make money. Instead of pointing fingers of blame, maybe that energy could be better expended into converting those you blame into opponents?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/28 21:54:59


Post by: skullking


 ced1106 wrote:

> I hope CMON does a sequel Kickstarter to Massive Darkness,

Sadly, the boardgame community asked for campaign rules for MD, CMON listened, and the rules bombed. I'm not seeing any more CMON KS games designed by Guillotine Games, who designed Zombicide and Massive Darkness. CMON seems to be riding Eric Lang's name hard, with Eric being the lead game designer or something. Michael Shinall's name keeps coming up in CMON game designs. Or maybe CMON's just shifted from external to internal house game designers, and MD may be collateral damage. MD *is* a very good product for CMON, since it, like Zombicide, has a hefty number of miniatures that are non-unique, so you can get more miniatures per mold, I guess. Michael : https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/75733/michael-shinall

This is just speculation, but I'm guessing that MD was supposed to be the franchise that took over Zombicide and Arcadia Quest, both of which are suffering expansion fatigue. Song of Ice and Fire may be that franchise, but I dunno if what's being released to retail is there because CMON wants to show they're supporting retailers and these products were already planned years ago, or if this is stuff they're selling because Song of Ice and Fire is honest-to-gosh making CMON money. At least they have Eric's name they can keep using, although I dunno for how much longer.


I doubt a bombing of campaign rules would tank the whole MD franchise. I'm a fan and backer, and whereas they weren't amazing, I didn't hate them. But then again, I wasn't all that into a campaign for it.

As it stands MD is the #5 top grossing KS campaign for CMON, and their #4 top grossing franchise. It's made more money in one campaign then all the of Arcadia Quest games combined (FYI - I'm not counting Starcadia quest, since the rules aren't compatible with the older games/expansions). The two top grossing Zombicides both had a connection to MD, and CMON's top grossing campaign (green horde), had lots of elements to play between the two settings. Zombiecide: Invader, and Starcadia quest were not as popular as the fantasy versions of the game, so I'm hoping CMON will come back to those for both series. Unless they plan to add to those 'sci-fi' versions, i think a lot of fans would rather have more stuff for their fantasy campaigns. If there's any 'fatigue' with those franchises, I'd guess it stems from that, more than having too much stuff. MD fit a nice balance of being fantasy Zombiecide, with no zombies (though you had rules to use the zombiecide BP & GH ones, if you really wanted them. They delved into more classic RPG tropes, and featured lots of cool new stuff (like the Helliphant) and added some 'non-undead' elements to the Zombiecide series (though mostly just MD characters for them).

I'm just sayin, that similar to Rum & Bones, World of Smog, all the zombiecides, and arcadia quests, MD deserves at least one more campaign.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 00:49:38


Post by: Alpharius


I'd break my current self-imposed "until CMON gets off their butts and either tells us what's up with Dark Age and/or sells the IP" CMON purchasing embargo for a second Massive Darkness Kickstarter...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 13:47:33


Post by: RiTides


Is there an estimated date for Trudvang Legends? I'm really interested to see if there are some big troll sculpts as that Paul Bonner art is out of this world!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 16:55:25


Post by: Monkeysloth


No, but it should be what July based off of normal cadence?

There is one troll we know about, it's on page 11 painted in a display case.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 17:59:47


Post by: Alpharius


Indeed!

 Monkeysloth wrote:
It's orginally an RPG that was Kickstarted about 2 years ago for an English translation.

http://www.riotminds.se/games/trudvang-chronicles/

(kickstarter page for lots of art https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/trudvang-chronicles)

The game is a living world game where as you move around and complete objectives things are changed like a city may be raised so it's gone the rest of the game. But unlike a legacy game your actions may not be remembered by history which would cause somethings to reverse (what the trigger is I don't know) so it would be difficult to always play the same game twice.

Plus Paul Bonner inspired minis which is another big plus for me.







CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 22:50:58


Post by: skullking


Man... Those models look great! Really looking forward to that one.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/29 22:57:37


Post by: plastictrees


Those all look great.
I am unreasonably in to that armoured skeleton.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 03:34:45


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


You can have your skeletons, I'll take expertly sculpted dad paunches jutting out of ill- fitting clothes.

I like painting fat guys. They tend to have more base presence and take up more space.

That armored dwarf is interesting too.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:01:46


Post by: Gallahad


Aww man, time to start saving. What faction are those Thenn Warriors?

I've been painting up the Night's Watch and the miniatures just continually surprise and delight me with their quality and aesthetic. They are great great miniatures.

I haven't even read the books, watched the show or played the game! I will play the game here before too long, but I'm going to keep on buying the miniatures


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:09:11


Post by: ImAGeek


 Gallahad wrote:
Aww man, time to start saving. What faction are those Thenn Warriors?

I've been painting up the Night's Watch and the miniatures just continually surprise and delight me with their quality and aesthetic. They are great great miniatures.

I haven't even read the books, watched the show or played the game! I will play the game here before too long, but I'm going to keep on buying the miniatures


Thenn Warriors are Wildings/Free Folk (not sure what their name is in the game).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:13:22


Post by: Smokestack


hmmm... I had pictured "Stag Knights" as a cavalry unit. Oh, well, they are still on the list. As is the Baratheon Starter. The Thenns look cool too. Are they Free Folk?

I have been buying cheap lannister units on EBAY.

I have all the Core set heroes, 3 boxes of Halberds, 3 boxes of Guards, 1 crossbow, 1 Mountains men and the Lannister heroes 2 box on its way.

I have the Free folk starter and the Tully shields. I haven't played, my friends don't play, but I love the minis...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:23:58


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


The Tully miniatures are my favourite this far, but I have fallen HARD for this game and quickly. Have already painted over 40 miniatures in under three weeks. Hopefully the CMON expo will have some nice reveals over the next few days.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:25:47


Post by: Hbbyaddict


Oh man what a good time to have picked up this game. Got the 2-player starter for a steal and I LOVE how it plays, and the minis are great. Cant wait for the Baratheons, those Stag Knights look incredible.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 21:39:01


Post by: Gallahad


 Smokestack wrote:
hmmm... I had pictured "Stag Knights" as a cavalry unit. Oh, well, they are still on the list. As is the Baratheon Starter. The Thenns look cool too. Are they Free Folk?

I have been buying cheap lannister units on EBAY.

I have all the Core set heroes, 3 boxes of Halberds, 3 boxes of Guards, 1 crossbow, 1 Mountains men and the Lannister heroes 2 box on its way.

I have the Free folk starter and the Tully shields. I haven't played, my friends don't play, but I love the minis...


The minis are great. They really hit the sweetspot between fantasy and historical for me. The armor and weapons are mostly believable if not down right historical, and being a larger scale makes them very easy to paint. Plus nothing looks like a Saturday morning super hero cartoon (unlike AOS).

All pluses in my book.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 22:43:35


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


The game really is terrific and I managed to help foster a local player-base of about eight people, which makes it REALLY easy to keep buying in further. It helps that its my wife's favorite tabletop game ever, meaning we inevitably buy every release once or twice over.

I'm bummed that CMoN Expo showings have all been known/rumored for months. I was hoping the reveals would be a look to stuff much further out than August. :-p


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/30 23:29:24


Post by: skullking


Glad the SoIaF stuff is so popular. If they do the Giant on a mammoth (or even just the mammoth by itself (alive or zombified)), I'd probably be in for that.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 00:40:18


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I'll keep an eye out for those Stag Knights. Their artwork makes them out to be quite impressive.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 04:41:04


Post by: nagash42


So what's in the Baratheon starter?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 15:30:46


Post by: Monkeysloth


Interesting to see what parts Eric couldn't answer because it was still in design such as character progression.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 16:14:44


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Amazing scenes at the UK Games expo today. The CMON stand was demoing but also had, perhaps the only ones in the country available, 5-6 copies of the Nights watch starter. In the ultimate troll move they were not for sale. They were also demoing over the Kickstarter exclusive terrain. I can imagine the conversations. "So the John Snow set and terrain, where can I buy that?". "Ah, you can't". Punter then wanders off to spend money elsewhere.

Level of stock of ASOIAF at other stands was minimal as well,
with many units (Pyromancer's, Greataxes, Scorpion builder crew etc etc) just not available at all. Keep it up Asmodee.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In better news the video that DaveC posted has confirmed Targaryen's!


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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 17:14:54


Post by: DaveC


6 of the original cards to be updated. pdf print yourself
- Umber Champion
- Sandar Glegane
- Gregor Glegane
- Tyrion Lannister
- Tywin Lannister
- Jamie Lannister

Neutral Heroes 2
- Brienne
- Bronn (both new sculpts)
- Walder Frey
- Jaqen H'Ghar
- Vargo Hoat
- Dario Naharis

Baratheons - before years end

- Starter set not detailed but includes Wardens (pictured)
- Heroes
- Stannis
- Renly
- Davos Seaworth (for Stannis)
- Loras Tyrell (for Renly)
- Melisandre
- Lady Shyra Erol (pictured)
- Alester Florent

Units common to both brothers and units only available to only one. Loyalty system loyal to Stannis (Followers of the Lord of Light) or Renly
Mentioned Archers for Stannis

Targaryens - before years end

Fully mounted starter - focused on early Daenerys as Khaleesi
- Dothraki Archers
- Dothraki Screamers
- Dothraki Vets
- Jorah Mormont
- Khal Drogo
- Illyrio Mopatis
- Daenerys Targaryen

No Night King as he's not in the books yet.

There will be dragons and at various stages of their develpoment.


[Thumb - ASOIAF cards.jpg]
[Thumb - ASOIAF Neutral heroes 2.jpg]
[Thumb - ASOIAF Baratheons.jpg]
[Thumb - ASOIAF Baratheons Heroes.jpg]
[Thumb - ASOIAF Taragaryens.jpg]
[Thumb - ASOIAF Taragaryen Heroes.jpg]


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 17:39:51


Post by: Sacredroach


My money is where my mouth is...I will be getting a Targaryen force as soon as they are on pre-order. Those Dothraki look fantastic.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 17:47:28


Post by: Smokestack


Yeah the Baratheons look great, and Targaryens! I like the Dani model. I will be getting both starters. Kind of regret getting the Freefolk starter now...

Wonder if the Minis for the dragons will actually be Dragons, or Wyverns.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:03:38


Post by: Gallahad


Looking good! Nice to see another unit with shields (baratheons). I will buy all the stuff... Eventually.

Sorry to hear Asmodee is screwing up distribution in the UK as normal.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:13:59


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Those were some damn exciting announcements. I'm there for two of everything, as always. My favorite game on the market just keeps seeing the best support. If only the distribution was as excellent as the game itself.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:15:25


Post by: Smokestack


The more I look at the Targaryen stuff, the more I want it. I think it nudged a bit higher than the Baratheons.... Though I still really like the Baratheon reveals. This will likely change my spending this year.

Wonder if there will be more stuff for the first factions. Like new Lannister or Stark Units. Or if they are pretty much complete now.

Baratheon will be Heavy Infantry and heavy cavalry that favor prolonged combats. Dothraki will be light and fast and fragile, but with really good morale.

Both sound good.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:32:01


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I'm in for those Stag Knights and the Bolton bad guys. These minis, along with the Lannisters, cut throats and Tullys really capture the fantasy feeling I've been looking for in a miniature range for decades.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:40:53


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Those were some damn exciting announcements. I'm there for two of everything, as always. My favorite game on the market just keeps seeing the best support. If only the distribution was as excellent as the game itself.


Out of interest how is the distribution Stateside?

Over here getting some units such as Umber Greataxes, any Nightwatch unit or starter or Spearwives is nigh on impossible at the moment.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/05/31 18:59:48


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Those were some damn exciting announcements. I'm there for two of everything, as always. My favorite game on the market just keeps seeing the best support. If only the distribution was as excellent as the game itself.


Out of interest how is the distribution Stateside?

Over here getting some units such as Umber Greataxes, any Nightwatch unit or starter or Spearwives is nigh on impossible at the moment.


Compared to something like Games Workshop, its abysmal... however they are ahead of Fantasy Flight who frequently has X-wing ships sold out for six to ten months at a time. If you don't mind small mark-ups you can find anything.

That said, their release calendar is a joke. You can't trust most dates they provide, and different stores have entirely different items up for pre-order, etc...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/03 09:24:40


Post by: ced1106


Heads up. CMON charged domestics about $45 to ship a Bloodborne base game pledge.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/03 09:54:11


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Looks like they've decided they're not subsidising the US shipping any more, the comments aren't happy

although they were fairly clear that the original esitmates wer based on 'Following is a list of rough estimates for shipping a standard game package (4kg volumetric weight). ' and it was fairly clear that even the base pledge was coming in considerably lager than that


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/03 12:02:15


Post by: Theophony


I see smaller kickstarters happening in their future. I also see the prices of Kickstarter exclusives being resold online jumping much higher to cover the costs.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/03 12:11:18


Post by: Messiah


I would love a force of Trident-era (or Dunc and Egg-era) Targaryens..


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/03 12:27:20


Post by: ced1106


If you're in Australia, check the KS comments field about shipping. Seems like CMON is doing the same thing they did to Australia that they did in the HATE campaign. So put in your state capital for the city, even if you live in the suburbs.

Fayez: "The geekfunder pledge manager doesn't work nice with suburbs in Australia, NSW from past experience. I recommend you put Sydney as the city, but put the correct post code and add the suburb name to the address lines. I've done this in the past and i've received much cheaper shipping. e.g. with sydney its approx. $20 USD, but when I put Parramatta, which is a suburb in Sydney, the shipping was almost double"

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360/746438.page


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/04 19:24:36


Post by: DaveC


Free Folk Followers of Bone

onflict and combat are highly mental engagements. If one can cause their opponent to cower in fear of their attack, then the battle is halfway won. Creating a scary visage goes a long way to making your opponents fearful of your presence. In the Free Folk army, the Followers of Bone have allied themselves with the Lord of Bones, dutifully following him where he goes and fighting on his behalf. Their penchant for adorning themselves in all manner of bones as well as wielding them may seem crude, but it is still certainly effective. And while their attacks might not be as entirely effective as steel swords or plate armor, the effect on enemy morale more than makes up for it. Soon, Free Folk commanders will be able to add this disquieting unit to their ranks.

The Followers of Bone cost six points to field. Their mid-range cost comes with moderate stats. As a melee unit, they have a respectable melee attack total of eight when at full ranks, hitting on 3+. Their speed is a fairly average 5. Their defensive stats might leave a little to be desired. As stated above, bones are no true replacement for steel, but it is better than simply crude furs that other Free Folk units take to battle. As such, their defensive save is only a 5+ and their morale to fight is moderate, with a 7+. It might make commanders want to keep them away from combat. But that’s where they would be mistaken.

Being stuck in combat is right where the Followers of Bone want to be. Of course, as a melee unit, having them elsewhere would be a waste, but attacking them is a true tough decision for opponents. This is because of their Horrific Visage special rule. It says that any time they are attacked with melee by an opponent, before that attack is resolved, that attacking unit must perform a Panic Test. This means that, depending on the opponent and depending on the roll, the Followers of Bone could be seeing few attack dice headed their direction every time they’re attacked. And anytime that enemy models can be removed from the board is a win. Units down to their last rank might find themselves even wiped out simply because their resolve failed the at the last moment.

A Bone to Pick With You
The Followers of Bone unit box also comes with the Champion of Bone unit attachment. He works well with just about any unit, but particularly well with the Followers of Bone. His special ability, Prey on Fear, lets the unit restore up to two Wounds when an enemy engaged with them fails a Panic Test. Since the Followers are going to be causing Tests every time they are attacked with melee, it means that the moderate defensive abilities they have could easily be mitigated by opponents losing figures from Panic Tests against them.

Together, the Followers of Bone and the Champion of Bone are a formidable unit on the battlefield. The best place to find them will be in melee, possibly even benefitting from going against multiple enemy units at a time in order to maximize their Horrific Visage ability. Commanders will do well to keep them away from enemy ranged units and aim them at targets with poor Morale stats. That strategy will do them well on the battlefield.

The Followers of Bone unit box will be available soon.




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/04 22:01:27


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Chaos Cultists here we come!

Those guys look like a lot of fun!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/04 22:28:53


Post by: Gallahad


I don't like them as much as I thought I would, but they are growing on me.

I think it is just the static pose of the 2nd guy, the static poses really stick out when there is so much space between then on the movement trays.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/04 22:45:30


Post by: Mr Morden


 Sacredroach wrote:
My money is where my mouth is...I will be getting a Targaryen force as soon as they are on pre-order. Those Dothraki look fantastic.


Not really interested until now - but Dany and Dothraki - not that needs buying.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/04 23:39:56


Post by: Monkeysloth


Looks like Miniature market bought up all of CMoN's old Rackham stock as in the sale going on you can get the Molocks, MidNor Cyclops and Hydra pretty cheap.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/06 22:07:41


Post by: Nostromodamus


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Looks like Miniature market bought up all of CMoN's old Rackham stock as in the sale going on you can get the Molocks, MidNor Cyclops and Hydra pretty cheap.


Thanks for the heads up on the sale! I snagged enough Dust vehicles for an IG Tank Company and GC Ridgerunners/Sentinels for about $120


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/07 17:12:11


Post by: DaveC


THE NIGHT’S WATCH’S EYES AND EARS
Jun 07, 2019
Manning The Wall, the Night’s Watch is primarily a defensive force. They keep the nightmare horrors that live further north from invading their way into the southern lands of Westeros. Their job includes knowing the dangers that they may be facing, as well as information on enemy formations, numbers, and any potential weaknesses there might be. They cannot afford to be caught unaware by an advancing enemy force. The Ranger Trackers serve as the Night’s Watch’s eyes and ears out in the field. These scout cavalry troopers undertake dangerous missions in enemy territory in order to gain vital intelligence. Soon, Night’s Watch commanders will be able to add this unit to their forces in the A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game.

The Ranger Trackers cavalry unit costs six points to field. The unit really packs in the value for those points as well. While their speed might seem moderate at six, it’s important to remember that, being a cavalry unit, they get a free Maneuver action at the start of their turn. That means they can easily head up to 12” with a direction change in the middle, letting them skirt around enemy units or obstacles. Being light cavalry, they are not heavily armored, so their Defensive Save is only a 5+. However, their Night’s Watch training does imbue them with a Morale of 6+.

On the offensive side of the coin, they are equipped with both short-range recurve bows and short swords. However, Night’s Watch commanders will probably want to make more use out of their bows, as they have slightly better stats at seven dice and 3+ to hit, as opposed to six dice and 4+ to hit in melee. However, those stats alone only tell part of the offensive story for the Ranger Trackers. They also have an Order, Mark Target. This gives Vulnerable to an enemy at Long Range and in Line of Sight. This is perfect for setting up a devastating charge or volley of arrows. It should be noted that the Ranger Trackers are under no obligation to immediately attack the unit they Mark, and do not need to immediately expend that token. They can readily toss the Vulnerable marker out there and then attack someone else, or retreat away to a safer position, setting up the enemy for a knock-out blow from another Night’s Watch unit. This makes the Ranger Trackers extremely flexible tactically on the field.

When this cavalry hits the table, Night’s Watch players will have a speedy force that can deal some quick damage to the enemy, setting up for the slower units to come in and finish things off.

The Night’s Watch Ranger Trackers will be hitting store shelves soon.




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/07 19:11:00


Post by: Gallahad


Ha! I was just thinking this morning about getting more of these guys.
I wish they would give you one alternate sculpt in these boxes that repeat units in the starter. It would give me more of a reason to buy them. The sculpts for Ranger Trackers are already pretty awesome, but I want more! The guy with the sword from the cover for example!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/08 07:04:39


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


All of these new minis look great, apart from those awful solid reins on the horses. The work that would be needed to make them not look terrible just kills my interest.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/08 09:53:19


Post by: JimmyWolf87


 Smokestack wrote:
Yeah the Baratheons look great, and Targaryens! I like the Dani model. I will be getting both starters. Kind of regret getting the Freefolk starter now...

Wonder if the Minis for the dragons will actually be Dragons, or Wyverns.


They'll likely have no forelegs if that's what you class as the difference but that's how they are in the books. There's little or nothing to distinguish Dragons/Wyverns in most (real world) myths and even most heraldic uses; that separation is far from universal. 2 legged dragons are perfectly acceptable (especially considering it's entirely fictional...).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/08 16:24:36


Post by: Smokestack


JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Smokestack wrote:
Yeah the Baratheons look great, and Targaryens! I like the Dani model. I will be getting both starters. Kind of regret getting the Freefolk starter now...

Wonder if the Minis for the dragons will actually be Dragons, or Wyverns.


They'll likely have no forelegs if that's what you class as the difference but that's how they are in the books. There's little or nothing to distinguish Dragons/Wyverns in most (real world) myths and even most heraldic uses; that separation is far from universal. 2 legged dragons are perfectly acceptable (especially considering it's entirely fictional...).


Even in D&D/ Pathfinder terms a wyvern is a dragoon... I guess I would just prefer a four legged dragon. Not a deal breaker, but yeah... I would prefer 4 legs....

2 Legs good, 4 legs better!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/09 04:24:00


Post by: Cataphract


Liking the Baratheons!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:03:22


Post by: DaveC


CMON and IDW Games are teaming up at San Diego Comic-Con International to bring the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles into Guillotine Games' Zombicide board game! Get the con exclusive TMNT Pack #2 while they last at the CMON Booth (#4928)!




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:19:29


Post by: Aeneades


Didn’t even realise there had been a first TMNT pack!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:23:53


Post by: DaveC


Pack #1 is exclusive to IDWs booth at San Diego Comic Con in July. If you want both you need to go to 2 different booths.

https://sdccblog.com/2019/06/idw-publishing-unveils-san-diego-comic-con-2019-exclusives/



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:24:24


Post by: ImAGeek


Saw this on Facebook:



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:49:14


Post by: Theophony


Aeneades wrote:
Didn’t even realise there had been a first TMNT pack!


Box 1 seem s to be a San Diego Comic Con Exclusive . Well I was excited for getting it all.

Box one has shredder and Kang plus the other two turtles.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 16:54:55


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Holy Moly, those Baratheon's look amazing. Cannot wait for Asmodee to release them in the UK, sell out and then see them be out of stock for the next six months.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 17:30:19


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Man... being an ASoIaF fan is such a rollercoaster at times. Amazing game and loads of amazing decisions which keep it a fun, diverse, and balanced game.... and then we just hit these complete lulls in releases.

Its already been a month since literally anything released for the game, and urgently needed boxes like Free Folk and Night's Watch Heroes #1 are just in perpetual limbo. And yet... here's a peek at some killer August releases too...



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 17:48:24


Post by: Gallahad


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Man... being an ASoIaF fan is such a rollercoaster at times. Amazing game and loads of amazing decisions which keep it a fun, diverse, and balanced game.... and then we just hit these complete lulls in releases.

Its already been a month since literally anything released for the game, and urgently needed boxes like Free Folk and Night's Watch Heroes #1 are just in perpetual limbo. And yet... here's a peek at some killer August releases too...


I totally agree with your assessment.
My FLGS claims that his stockist is telling him July 14 for the next ASOIAF releases (Ranger Trackers and Followers of Bone).
Meanwhile there are eBay painting shops that are selling painted versions of the unreleased Night's Watch and Free Folk Heroes #1 boxes for roughly $400...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 17:58:27


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Gallahad wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Man... being an ASoIaF fan is such a rollercoaster at times. Amazing game and loads of amazing decisions which keep it a fun, diverse, and balanced game.... and then we just hit these complete lulls in releases.

Its already been a month since literally anything released for the game, and urgently needed boxes like Free Folk and Night's Watch Heroes #1 are just in perpetual limbo. And yet... here's a peek at some killer August releases too...


I totally agree with your assessment.
My FLGS claims that his stockist is telling him July 14 for the next ASOIAF releases (Ranger Trackers and Followers of Bone).
Meanwhile there are eBay painting shops that are selling painted versions of the unreleased Night's Watch and Free Folk Heroes #1 boxes for roughly $400...


Well, and it speaks weirdly of CMoN when they do press-releases hyping unit releases that were parts of the faction's starter a year ago... while key elements have been shown, spoiled and seen, eight month back, that don't even have release estimates.

Its literally my favorite game out there right now, but I wish GW was the one producing/supplying it.... which is weird to say, as literally everything else around the game is just top tier.

If your FLGS is right, and one of only two releases in a two month period is a unit we've all had for a year... i'll be a sad panda.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 18:33:12


Post by: Samko


 DaveC wrote:
Pack #1 is exclusive to IDWs booth at San Diego Comic Con in July. If you want both you need to go to 2 different booths.

https://sdccblog.com/2019/06/idw-publishing-unveils-san-diego-comic-con-2019-exclusives/


If I'm not in the US, is there any chance to get those boxes or are they extremely limited quantity ?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 18:39:36


Post by: LunarSol


I'd love to add the turtles to Zombicide, but that just ain't gonna happen


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 18:45:51


Post by: Alpharius


CMON is saying that everyone will have a chance to pick up these Zombicide TMNT boxes 'eventually' and "at a convention near you".

WHY they're not just making them available online during the various conventions where they'd be available in person is...beyond me.

But maybe if enough people ask...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 18:47:26


Post by: Monkeysloth


Samko wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Pack #1 is exclusive to IDWs booth at San Diego Comic Con in July. If you want both you need to go to 2 different booths.

https://sdccblog.com/2019/06/idw-publishing-unveils-san-diego-comic-con-2019-exclusives/


If I'm not in the US, is there any chance to get those boxes or are they extremely limited quantity ?


Usually pretty hard to get as most comic con exclusives are only a print run of a 100-200. People that will end up with them will have expensive preview night tickets that get them in the night before Comic Con actually starts just to buy exclusives. My wife use to do this several years ago when she went annually and would maybe get 2-3 things as the lines where usually 30min long and there's only a few hours to shop so you have to pick and choose. Anything not sold that night will be available to regular badge holders the next day. You'll probably be able to find them on ebay for $100-$150 while Comic Con is going on. CMoN could surprise and do a huge volume but then why make it a San Diego exclusive as they probably wouldn't sell out (it's not a very big table top convention) and most people buying them will be TMNT fans and probably never even heard of zombiecide and will most likely just throw them in a box to try and resell years later at a huge markup as is the case with most SDCC exclusives.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 19:36:44


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Alpharius wrote:
CMON is saying that everyone will have a chance to pick up these Zombicide TMNT boxes 'eventually' and "at a convention near you".

WHY they're not just making them available online during the various conventions where they'd be available in person is...beyond me.

But maybe if enough people ask...


Given their previous inability to get WoK and Dark Age into stock anywhere, and their current problems with ASoIaF which should be generally available with no limits I can see why they'd shy away from a limited time release

much as I wish they would offer them (I was also going to say their webstore had been gone so long I doubt it was coming back, but on checking it's meant to relaunch is August, and I wonder what it will have at that point)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 19:40:44


Post by: Samko


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Samko wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Pack #1 is exclusive to IDWs booth at San Diego Comic Con in July. If you want both you need to go to 2 different booths.

https://sdccblog.com/2019/06/idw-publishing-unveils-san-diego-comic-con-2019-exclusives/


If I'm not in the US, is there any chance to get those boxes or are they extremely limited quantity ?


Usually pretty hard to get as most comic con exclusives are only a print run of a 100-200. People that will end up with them will have expensive preview night tickets that get them in the night before Comic Con actually starts just to buy exclusives. My wife use to do this several years ago when she went annually and would maybe get 2-3 things as the lines where usually 30min long and there's only a few hours to shop so you have to pick and choose. Anything not sold that night will be available to regular badge holders the next day. You'll probably be able to find them on ebay for $100-$150 while Comic Con is going on. CMoN could surprise and do a huge volume but then why make it a San Diego exclusive as they probably wouldn't sell out (it's not a very big table top convention) and most people buying them will be TMNT fans and probably never even heard of zombiecide and will most likely just throw them in a box to try and resell years later at a huge markup as is the case with most SDCC exclusives.
Thanks I won't hope for it then.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 20:15:43


Post by: skullking


Too bad these are for zombiecide. I was hoping they might make a more 'regular' version of Krang for the IDW game, but I suppose that will be in the next kickstarter.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 21:28:01


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Oh lovely, NOW that the sci fi ended they went back to the previous great artwork, art direction and models...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/06/28 22:31:40


Post by: Tim the Biovore


 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Oh lovely, NOW that the sci fi ended they went back to the previous great artwork, art direction and models...


Beats changing it to the new style, at least. And I suppose that means if they do a third installment to the Fantasy line, it'll be the original art, so that's something.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 07:02:49


Post by: Monkeysloth


Miniature Market has started advertising for a sale to compete with Prime Days for your money. This sunday at some point (probably 9-10am CST) the 14th -19th and have been advertising ASOIAF and other games as "the lowest prices of the year". I know they had the starter box for a ridiculous price last black Friday so maybe this will be similar or better.

Edit: it's the Asmodee amnesty sale where they can go lower then the minimum discount. So anything they distribute I guess.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 13:39:56


Post by: Alpharius


Interesting!

I wonder if Mini Market will be offering anything else worth considering...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 15:48:59


Post by: Sacredroach


Dark Age would be worth considering...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 17:55:27


Post by: Alpharius


Except we already know that Mini Market is 'stealth selling' all the stock they bought on eBay... :(


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 18:29:30


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


well at least that mean it's available to buy, unlike when it was hidden away in CMONs warehouse....

even if it isn't as cheap as it would be at MM central

(well for US residents anyway)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 19:02:11


Post by: Gallahad


If they have good prices on ASOIF stuff I'll buy a bunch. I'm excited now!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 19:17:08


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I'd wondered about the "stealth selling" on eBay.

I have my suspicions as to which seller it is too, as there's really only one store that has anything in stock, and aren't really willing to haggle over some of the way too overpriced of items.

Honestly I wish they'd put it on the actual store so I could at least get free shipping if they won't budge on the prices.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 19:39:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I hope it is 'official' steal selling too,

rather than an employee pilfering stuff to sell in a big way as was reported to be the cause of the War Store's closure. I'd never have thought that much stock could wander but it apparently did in a huge way

I'm guessing MM is probably more on top of their boxes of random stuff, and buying from a still functional company like CMON should have meant an itemised inventory (or close to one), unlike what you might get from a failed business being sold off to clear debts, but you never know


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/09 20:08:10


Post by: Sacredroach


That part that amazes me is the Micro Arts Studio plastic bases. I tried for years to buy them from CMON, but when their shop showed inventory and I placed an order it would be cancelled and refunded...with MM I was able to get the 10-15 packs I had been trying to buy since their KS. Just amazing.

And yes, if MM would put the Dark Age stuff on their main site, even near the full retail price, I would probably purchase another half a dozen boxes.

Also, may or may not go nuts on the ASOIAF stuff. A second starter set may be a nice addition, but really I'm waiting for the Dothraki..


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/12 21:10:39


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured



CMON

..
Hey, shellheads! Looks like many of you are eager to crack some zombie skulls, but unable to make it to SDCC or GenCon, right? Then we have good news for you!

You’ll be able to pre-order the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Zombicide packs via IDW’s webstore between July 17 and August 10, 2019!

The link to the store will be shared the day that the packs go live. Act fast as supplies are limited!



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/12 21:17:30


Post by: Samko


Awesome !


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/12 21:52:08


Post by: Ernster


Great, my son wants these and Ebay prices were outrageous!.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/13 03:54:21


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I like how there is such a long preorder period. We all know they'll be gone by the end of the 15th.

Hopefully they'll keep doling them out over that time period at random intervals so lots of folks can have a chance to get them.

I wouldn't mind.

Would be nice if Black Plague character sheets were included as well. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to modify them either rules- wise.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/13 03:58:13


Post by: Alpharius


The 15th?

Am I missing something?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/13 05:05:10


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Yeah, I got my dates mixed up. I meant the 17th.

Point still stands- they need to spread these out over the entire period of time and not just let them all disappear that first day.

Also seems like some of the Game of Thrones newer releases are starting to trickle out. Just got the Bone dudes on order!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/14 19:02:33


Post by: ced1106


I'm not getting why the FOMO when TMNT miniatures are on the market, and fans have already made Zombicide cards for them?

Anyway, MM has a MAPP Amnesty Sale, including Asmodee and CMON products. This includes Zombicide base sets at $50, Song of Ice and Fire stuff, and Kick Ass at $24.

BTW, MM also has Gloomhaven at $85 on The Drop. Lowest prices since ever. I have a Massdrop referral code if you miss it, since I've seen it on MD for $90.

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 07:16:26


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


The Turtles' time has come, shellheads! You can get your hands on the exclusive TMNT x Zombicide character packs starting tomorrow July 17 at 12pm Pacific (3pm eastern) on idwgames.com/shop ! Direct link will go live tomorrow at noon! Until then, check out these minis dude!



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 13:20:54


Post by: Alpharius


No pics?

For shame...


















Tempted here!

Probably be a game time decision, price dependent...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 15:07:40


Post by: Ghool


I like them. Tempted and entirely dependant on price.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:30:16


Post by: Ernster


so are they available yet, if so where?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:34:03


Post by: Ghool


12pm PDT Ior 3pm EDT i think is when they go on sale in the IDW store.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:35:02


Post by: DaveC


Ernster wrote:
so are they available yet, if so where?


Not yet Noon Pacific time, 3PM Eastern so 2.5 hours from now.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:39:08


Post by: Ernster


Thanks Dave, do you know where. IDW Games or possibly IDW limited?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:46:52


Post by: DaveC


They'll probably post the link here

https://www.facebook.com/coolminiornot

IDWs site is here

http://idwgames.com/


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 16:59:30


Post by: Elbows


Ooof...those Turtle sculpts are pretty dire. Neat idea, but I'd source the old retro-models.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 17:13:10


Post by: Ernster


Thanks again Dave. My son turns 12 next week and he LOVES TMNT and has the board game. I showed him the info on this and he went crazy.


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awesome, the site has crashed!


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The IDW site crashed. bummer.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 18:51:25


Post by: DaveC


I guess there's a lot of people hammering the IDW server!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 18:52:33


Post by: Alpharius


Facepalm - atomic version!

Hopefully it gets sorted quickly...

...or in about 8 minutes?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 18:57:29


Post by: LunarSol


 Elbows wrote:
Ooof...those Turtle sculpts are pretty dire. Neat idea, but I'd source the old retro-models.


The appear to based on the current comic line.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:11:47


Post by: DaveC



IDW Games
Just now ·
Murphy's law. Before we even set the store page live for the TMNT packs, our site went down. Our server agency as informed us this is not due to the high demand (as actually no one was pinging the site for the packs yet), but rather some oddity that cause the site to crash. We're working on it right now and should be up and running again soon (or so we're told). Please bear with us.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:13:10


Post by: Alpharius


Indeed!

With this image too, no less:



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:14:17


Post by: DaveC


You're all about the images today


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:25:03


Post by: Alpharius


I live to serve!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:35:57


Post by: Elbows


 LunarSol wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Ooof...those Turtle sculpts are pretty dire. Neat idea, but I'd source the old retro-models.


The appear to based on the current comic line.


Yeah, with a bit too much influence from the movie-stylings too. I'm an old school "all red" Eastman/Laird purist. Not a fan of the modernized take on them. Someone did a "don't ask me how" line of gorgeous E/L Turtles a few years ago (and I think a flix game even had some retro minis). I like the concept of the game, but the sculpts are definitely not my cup of tea..


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 19:45:52


Post by: Alpharius


I like 'em - and they fit the overall aesthetic of the Zombicide setting too.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 20:02:00


Post by: DaveC


Some people managed to get early access (this may have been IDWs fault rather than any individual) and they are now on ebay.

Cost from IDW is $50 for a bundle with both packs in it and $5 shipping

Site is still down I saw a confirmation email on facebook for an earlier sale.

EDIT: I wonder if they put it up at the wrong time tried to pull it and brought the whole site down?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/17 22:29:45


Post by: Monkeysloth


$50 is actually a surprisingly reasonable price.


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We’ve been working non-stop to try to get our web store back up and running, but we don’t have a quick end in sight. Our server had a catastrophic failure, due in part to the large influx of visitors to the site, and we’re working to replace the hardware, which isn’t a quick process. The new plan is to reopen the web store at 12pm PDT tomorrow, July 18th. Even if the site comes up before then, the Zombicide x TMNT bundle will not be available for purchase until that time.
Regarding the few people who were able to purchase packs early, an engineer did accidentally enable the packs for purchase briefly an hour early during a test, during which 30 copies were sold. Those purchases will still be honored, but we have ~1970 copies left in our stock, so there will still be plenty to go around. Thank you for your understanding and continued patience.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 08:50:14


Post by: Binabik15


Do they have EU shipping or anything. Bepop and Rocksteady are so beautiful. Stop making stuff so limited.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 09:42:08


Post by: Ghrik


 Binabik15 wrote:
Do they have EU shipping or anything. Bepop and Rocksteady are so beautiful. Stop making stuff so limited.


As it seems that I am one of the "lucky 30" (I ordered it 10 minutes before the official launch as I did not check what time it was for Europe), the flatrate shipping fee was 25$. So 75$ in total.

And I really do not understand why it is limited to 2000 copies...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 14:45:28


Post by: Theophony


 Ghrik wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
Do they have EU shipping or anything. Bepop and Rocksteady are so beautiful. Stop making stuff so limited.


As it seems that I am one of the "lucky 30" (I ordered it 10 minutes before the official launch as I did not check what time it was for Europe), the flatrate shipping fee was 25$. So 75$ in total.

And I really do not understand why it is limited to 2000 copies...

They have a small production run, some of which was sold at the San Diego comic convention, some they will sell at shows from booths(but not many) and the rest (2000) were set for online sale.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 17:46:20


Post by: Alpharius


It's a little over an hour before they're supposed to be live and selling these things online again and...I can't get the idwgames.com page to even load.

That revised timeline is not looking likely at this point...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 17:47:55


Post by: DaveC


Glad I didn't stay up for them to sort it out last night and $25 international shipping kills any interest I had


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 17:59:34


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Alpharius wrote:
It's a little over an hour before they're supposed to be live and selling these things online again and...I can't get the idwgames.com page to even load.

That revised timeline is not looking likely at this point...


Well by giving a time they've guaranteed another DOS type attack on their own pages from all the potential shoppers (and folk who jusyt want to see if it crashes again)

they just need to stick the site back up in a few days time, unannounced, preferably in the middle of the (USA) night


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 18:48:04


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


Oh man, those Baratheons!

Okay, I guess I finally gotta give in and get that box set. Time for Bobby B to get back in action.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 20:35:16


Post by: Monkeysloth


currently the shop is set to open in 30 (2pm PST)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 20:49:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Update on the TMNT x Zombicide packs. Our internal stress test shows that the processing of orders will be incredibly slow. We've decided to move on to BackerKit to get the packs set up. We're pushing launch back to 2pm pacific time. Sorry for the delay, but it's the best way for us to make sure that we have a stable shopping cart that won't hang up while you're trying to purchase.




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 21:10:52


Post by: Aeneades


That listing confirms the miniatures came with cards for both the first and upcoming second edition of zombicide.

That’s the first I have heard about a second edition!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 21:12:51


Post by: DaveC


I wonder if they've change the cards to the small cards that fit in plastic dashboards then for 2nd edition.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 21:18:29


Post by: Aeneades


From the contents it sounds like they have as lists 4 character cards and 4 character Dashboard ID cards.

Edit: more info...

Okay. This is likely to piss off quite a few people

The next game is Zombicide Evolution - Las Vegas. It’s coming to Kickstarter next year and it’s uses a special board, tablets and mobile phones to run the game. It’s a digital board game mix.

https://www.cmon.com/news/teburu-a-new-evolution-in-board-games




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 22:51:58


Post by: DaveC


CMON and IDW Games are fusing their talents to bring Dragon Ball Z to the table top in 2020!

Leveraging IDW’s creative partnership with Toei Animation and CMON’s masterful work in game design and miniature production, Dragon Ball Z Miniature Mayhem will be a fast-paced, dice-driven, battle royale.

Players will get to create their dream “what if” showdowns as many of the iconic heroes and villains will face off against each other in an effort to determine who’s the strongest fighter in the universe. Stay tuned!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 22:55:52


Post by: Aeneades


Trudvang Legends Kickstarter goes live on July 23, 3pm EST! Adventurers, wanderers and heroes needed! Are you in?

#TrudvangLegends #Trudvang #Kickstarter #CMONgames


Will definitely be keeping my eye on this one as nice models, solo friendly and story telling gameplay (from memory, hopefully I am remembering correctly!).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 23:03:02


Post by: skullking


Aeneades wrote:
Trudvang Legends Kickstarter goes live on July 23, 3pm EST! Adventurers, wanderers and heroes needed! Are you in?

#TrudvangLegends #Trudvang #Kickstarter #CMONgames


Will definitely be keeping my eye on this one as nice models, solo friendly and story telling gameplay (from memory, hopefully I am remembering correctly!).


Yaaaas!

Me too, I've been waiting for this one.

Also, DBZ game?! hmm... Well, that could be fun.

Digital Zombiecide though... well, not sure if I'm as pumped about that. I did notice on the page where you can buy the ninja turtle figures, it says they'll work for Zombiecide, and Zombicide 2nd ed. Not sure I knew they had made a 2nd ed. But then again, I don't pay as much attention to the modern day (or Sci-fi) Zombiecides.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/18 23:05:33


Post by: Aeneades


They haven’t made a second edition yet. I thought they could be referring to Evolution but I am not convinced as that’s going digital rather than physical dashboards.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/19 04:41:12


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I'll likely pledge for the DBZ game if they make enough DBZ Abridged references.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/19 15:10:33


Post by: Alpharius




I was able to get my set yesterday (with a very reasonable $5 US shipping!) and while they said that only 2000 sets would be available, it looks as if they've expanded that amount in order to just meet demand?

Good for them - and for anyone else who wanted them!



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/19 16:22:10


Post by: Monkeysloth


Aeneades wrote:
Trudvang Legends Kickstarter goes live on July 23, 3pm EST! Adventurers, wanderers and heroes needed! Are you in?

#TrudvangLegends #Trudvang #Kickstarter #CMONgames


Will definitely be keeping my eye on this one as nice models, solo friendly and story telling gameplay (from memory, hopefully I am remembering correctly!).


Nice. Wallet's going to take a hit on this one.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/20 12:38:42


Post by: DaveC


Here be Dragons

The Logiwurm is the greatest and most feared of all draconic beasts in Trudvang, and its coming speaks of sudden and horrible death.


Spoiler:



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/21 06:31:39


Post by: Monkeysloth


Hot diggity dang. Was hoping for a wyrm. It's one of the smaller ones but still, pretty happy.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/21 08:06:02


Post by: Aeneades


According to someone who has promos the “second edition” cards in the TMNT sets are for Zombicide Invader not a second edition of modern Zombicide.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/21 08:49:25


Post by: Monkeysloth


Aeneades wrote:
According to someone who has promos the “second edition” cards in the TMNT sets are for Zombicide Invader not a second edition of modern Zombicide.


I saw them on the Zombicide invader facebook group and at least the discussion there is 2nd edition uses the same card and dashboard as Invader. The cards don't look like the invader cards from a design standpoint.


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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 19:12:32


Post by: Gallahad


Wow, Trudvang looks spectacularly boring and a very skimpy initial offering. I know it will improve as time goes on, but sheesh, there isn't much to hook you here.
I'm afraid this looks like another "all the money is in cardboard" type of game.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 19:21:54


Post by: DaveC


Link for those interested (not one I ever had any interest in myself)

24 hour EB available for $90, the initial offering is quite sparse alright.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/trudvang-legends

I see they finally revised their shipping estimates and I still think they are on the low side compared to what comes out in the PM.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 19:55:54


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


All the minis have that flat oldschool-metal-model look. This seems like a step back for CMON.


Also, and this may be me being ignorant, but I don't get why they make a big deal over "Artwork by Paul Bonner" (The Mutant Chronicles guy) when they've apparently hired him to imitate Brian Froud. It feels a little bit like boasting about having Frank Frazetta art when you've told him to just make everything look like Larry Elmore art.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 20:06:31


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


It doesn't seem like one that's really going to be a good source of minis if you don't want the game to go along with it

but that's not a bad thing for the gamers anyway as hopefully they've spent a bit more effort on the rules and ended up with something on the Blood Rage end of the spectrum rather than guilds of cadwallon


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 20:46:08


Post by: Monkeysloth


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Also, and this may be me being ignorant, but I don't get why they make a big deal over "Artwork by Paul Bonner" (The Mutant Chronicles guy) when they've apparently hired him to imitate Brian Froud. It feels a little bit like boasting about having Frank Frazetta art when you've told him to just make everything look like Larry Elmore art.


He's not doing all the art. Never has for the RPG either. There's like 3 main artists for the setting but he does all the cover art and most of the dwarfs and trolls. But he is the main face of the art for it and been involved since the begging of the setting (so like 10 years). Much like how Elmore was for D&D for a while.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 22:01:46


Post by: ced1106


 DaveC wrote:
I see they finally revised their shipping estimates and I still think they are on the low side compared to what comes out in the PM.


They're saying $15 within the USA, but that's just for the core box, and they'll revise shipping charges as more content is added. Backers will pay *actual* costs. During the Bloodborne campaign, USA costs were double or triple this amount, and some internationals not near a shipping hub (?) paid as much as $100 or more.

Paul Bonner has been in the industry for decades, including Games Workshop in his earlier years. I guess he's not as well known as other artists because he's done such a variety of projects after GW? Dunno.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/23 23:59:23


Post by: skullking


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
All the minis have that flat oldschool-metal-model look. This seems like a step back for CMON.


Some of them do seem like old school metal models, but I think the CG renders actually look much worse than the painted prints (obviously), and the unpainted ones they showed earlier this year. That said, some do seem like a bit of a step back, especially with posing, but perhaps they can adjust them before production.


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Also, and this may be me being ignorant, but I don't get why they make a big deal over "Artwork by Paul Bonner" (The Mutant Chronicles guy) when they've apparently hired him to imitate Brian Froud. It feels a little bit like boasting about having Frank Frazetta art when you've told him to just make everything look like Larry Elmore art.


To be fair, this doesn't seem that different from most of Paul Bonner's stuff. Though he did do stuff for Mutant Chronicles, his Confrontation, and Zombicide (and of course Trudvang) artwork, is much more current. And though I'm sure he's probably a Froud fan, it's never really felt like his fantasy stuff was 'imitating' him. At least, in my opinion. That would be a hell of a team up though. Bonner doing giants, dragons and Trolls, and Froud doing Elves, insects, & Fey folk.

Can't really speak to the game, as I have no interest in any of that. But I think most of the minis look good, and I hope we get plenty more, and some sort of art book for the game.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/24 00:32:19


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I've been picking up most of the art books CMON has released. The HATE one was especially nice as there were actually quite a few sketches and pieces even I hadn't seen (and I'd followed the comic idea since long before it actually was published).

This is one I'm going to snatch up an art book sight unseen. I'm sure it'll be a looker, and I doubt I'll be alone in that regard. Even if I don't end up with the game!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/24 06:41:37


Post by: Samko


As a fan of Confrontation I love Paul Bonner's art, so I'm backing this one for sure.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/24 13:15:34


Post by: frankelee


Figured I'd do the classic move of backing the Early Bird now and waiting to see if I want it later. Pretty skimpy offerings so far, though I like that the miniatures/world at least has some character. Still imagine they're not going to offer that much more in stretch goals though and I'll drop it.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/25 07:44:32


Post by: Aeneades


2ft Cthulhu from Death May Die turned up today. That’s going to be a hard one to sneak into the house. You don’t really appreciate how big it is from the photos.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 16:08:25


Post by: Gallahad


frankelee wrote:
Figured I'd do the classic move of backing the Early Bird now and waiting to see if I want it later. Pretty skimpy offerings so far, though I like that the miniatures/world at least has some character. Still imagine they're not going to offer that much more in stretch goals though and I'll drop it.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. The day is still young, but the backer count is already negative for the day on Kicktraq.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 17:41:55


Post by: Alpharius


~12k backers in 2 days is pretty impressive though...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 18:01:00


Post by: ecurtz


If you have a very well established vendor and a time based early bird discount you're going to see that kind of front loaded results. I'm still undecided, but I'll at least download the rulebook they posted and see how it looks.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 18:03:28


Post by: Gallahad


 Alpharius wrote:
~12k backers in 2 days is pretty impressive though...
Certainly is!
The game being offered is still not worth $130 shipped though, despite having raised a million dollars. Small companies can offer similar numbers of miniatures and components for 1/8 the funding total...
In my experience these campaigns are all about momentum, and once it is lost it is difficult to regain.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 18:27:35


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


All those backers are probably people like us who tend to haunt KS and hobby websites. Things have ground to a halt since then, despite an expansion already being offered up.

The more I really look at some of these sculpts too, the more I'm left scratching my head. Something about their weapons and poses does seem off.

I get the need to make single piece molds/ models, but there were plenty of single piece models in both Rising Sun, Blood Rage, and plenty of other CMON campaigns that looked significantly better.

Time will tell....


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 18:48:10


Post by: Monkeysloth


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
All those backers are probably people like us who tend to haunt KS and hobby websites. Things have ground to a halt since then, despite an expansion already being offered up.

The more I really look at some of these sculpts too, the more I'm left scratching my head. Something about their weapons and poses does seem off.

I get the need to make single piece molds/ models, but there were plenty of single piece models in both Rising Sun, Blood Rage, and plenty of other CMON campaigns that looked significantly better.

Time will tell....


A lot of them are just mirroring the original artwork from years ago like the two unlocked rangers. Lydana, though, is only the really off one too me. It is odd to me the very common complaints about the minis as I just don't see the "flatness" people are complaining about or the poses. Maybe it's just because I'm more familiar with the art. People were really complaining about the goblins designs from the first add on and they're ripped right out of one of the RPG books.

It is a bit sad that this has really grinded to a halt. This was the game CMoN had I was most exited for, I think, since they've done KSers. It's clearly a Solomon Kane issue for them. Lots more gameplay parts then minis and not explaining the game well at first. With the most recent update and the Q&A with Eric tomorrow I think things will be more clear. I hope they add some game play videos as there's a lot of requests for that (even just a 10 min walk through of a round or two) as a lot of people don't have the time to watch a hour long stream.

Though I think the oddest complaint is people wanting to get rid of the rune system for dice as the runes are "too random". Do they not know what dice are?

But there's a issue for sure with momentum. When they released the first add on they only needed about 10% of backers to "purchase it" to me the next streach goal. That was 2 days ago and I think we're only half way to it. Hopefully the next few SGs are smaller dollar amounts even if they're just "extra bonus figures already unlocked as a KS exclusive" Monolith used this a lot with Conan and Mythic Battles to keep things rolling.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 20:58:09


Post by: skullking


I also think one of the reasons it's slowed is they have a 100k jump between these two current stretch goals. I don't really find that to be a good thing unless you're already at around +5M$, since it's too much of a jump between stretches.

The frequency of their stretch goals has been climbing by $10k every few goals. But the difference between the last 2 goals was $80k, now they jump to $100k? Seems odd, or they ran out of goals.

In any case, they need to step it up a bit, and narrow the distance between stretch goals. In a healthy high profile KS you should be killing one AT LEAST every other day.

Really hope they have a Massive Darkness crossover pack with these minis, or even a Zombiecide:BP would be fine too.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/26 21:29:31


Post by: ced1106


CMON lost a lot of goodwill during the Bloodborne KS, sometimes doubling shipping costs compared to previous KS. You could get a refund, but it cost 10% of your pledge, which meant that those who pledged $300+ lost $30+ on the KS.

I also suspect Trudvang isn't a popular IP (certainly less so than Cthulhu, Arcardia Quest, Zombicide, etc.), since it's based on an RPG that itself was KS'ed. Paul Bonner is known, but more by a hobby audience than a more general one.

Dunno how many of you are boardgamers, but Altar Quest and Middara (and Bloodborne) were KS'ed before Trudvang, and took in a lot of boardgamer money and attention.

I agree with Skull on the SG's. It's "realistic" (although how "realistic" SG's and funding are is quite questionable) that SG's goals become farther apart (since they also have to pay for "free" miniatures of the previous SG's for incoming backers), but, psychologically, it looks like you're paying more money for the same amount of stuff. fwiw, Neither Altar Quest nor Middara had SG's with goals becoming further apart.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 02:02:14


Post by: Alpharius


The slowdown is especially troubling as the first add-on was a relatively ‘cheap’ one too, and not many seemed to have added it on.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 14:26:45


Post by: Original Timmy


 Alpharius wrote:
The slowdown is especially troubling as the first add-on was a relatively ‘cheap’ one too, and not many seemed to have added it on.

Aye it ended on -27 backers and only took in $6.5k, that was only the 4th day and not what you should be seeing for someone like CMON!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 14:42:10


Post by: ecurtz


Somebody needs to make a Kickstarter Manager game. I bet it would do well - as long as there were enough properly timed stretch goals.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 15:04:02


Post by: Ghool


I think what's happening of late is this:
CMON Kickstarters were always guaranteed to be a good deal at the end of the campaign. Even if the rules for the game were sub-par, at least the amount of models that made the pledge worth getting instead of at retail.

Now I'm not so sure. The 'deal' keeps shrinking, and with each subsequent KS, and the amount they have been charging for shipping lately, makes it seem like not so great of a deal. And other publishers at this point are offering better deals than CMON. When CMON used to be the kings of the KS deal, that's not a good sign.

This is becoming more apparent when smaller publishers are offering better games, quality sculpts, and reasonable shipping.
I suspect with all the competition out there on KS now, and smaller publishers taking a bite out of CMONs market share, that the smaller companies are winning out simply due to being able to work with a smaller margin.

Plus, I think the market is reaching a saturation point. I mean, how many of us out there need another game with hundreds of minis?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 15:21:16


Post by: Mr Morden


Its true - I have loads of games and very minis and very little space for more...even with spare bedrooms full


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 15:39:23


Post by: frankelee


The full shelf struggle is real. But if practical concerns and the ability to say 'no' were a part of this equation most of us wouldn't own hardly any of these games in the first place.

I often think (only half jokingly) that these companies should give me a $20 voucher to look over their campaign for half an hour and tell them everything wrong with it. And save themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost pledges. Sometimes it seems like 6 or even 7 figures are left on the table for want of a dozen more minis or properly spaced out stretch goals.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/27 20:01:55


Post by: Monkeysloth


Art book as an add on for $35.

May just be the mockup but it looks exactly the same as the artbook that Riotminds KSered a few years ago (that I think is sold out).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 01:38:26


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Mr Morden wrote:
Its true - I have loads of games and very minis and very little space for more...even with spare bedrooms full


I hear the kids today's latest trend is taking handfuls of last year's KS minis and chucking them off of overpasses.




Disclaimer: Do not throw old minis into traffic! Stressed out uber "employees" don't want your minis, either.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 05:16:09


Post by: Gallahad


The next stretch goal is up, it is another 50k stretch, so it will probably be another 3-4 days at the current pace before it is unlocked.
KS campaigns never disappoint for drama! This one just happens to be mostly intermission.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 05:49:11


Post by: Monkeysloth


I don't blame them for making the dragon 50k as it's probably pretty big (a large number of unlocks are in this game) but they should have had a shorter stretch goal or two between.

They probably want to show off the dragon for Gencon to try and get a upswing in pledges then but they could have had one or two 10ks in there and still had the dragon to show off by next Thursday.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 18:44:59


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




well they've pulled the 'please get this rolling again' pin



Trudvang Legends: Muspelheim comes with:
•1 Storybook
•160+ cards
•5 Heroes: Jharuk, Dorvid, Yollannii, Alteric, and Morkka
•8 Night Ulms
•2 Draugr Leaders
•1 Mare
•1 Tursir Ox
•Tokens

Muspelheim is an expansion for Trudvang Legends that we are offering as a Kickstarter Exclusive Optional Buy to backers for $45. Please take note that Muspelheim is an expansion. A copy of Trudvang Legends is required to play.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
yesterday really was pretty bad (-90 backers) so lets see if this works,


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 18:56:32


Post by: SeanDrake


ecurtz wrote:
Somebody needs to make a Kickstarter Manager game. I bet it would do well - as long as there were enough properly timed stretch goals.


I believe there is one in the works somewhere as I am sure I saw Alessio C mention he was doing the rules, could be wrong though.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 19:12:33


Post by: Absolutionis


Title says there is information on a Dragonball Z board game on pg19, but I can't find anything related to DBZ nor even a page 19 (yet).


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 19:16:22


Post by: Theophony


SeanDrake wrote:
ecurtz wrote:
Somebody needs to make a Kickstarter Manager game. I bet it would do well - as long as there were enough properly timed stretch goals.


I believe there is one in the works somewhere as I am sure I saw Alessio C mention he was doing the rules, could be wrong though.

I hope there’s options of playing different companies with different bonuses/drawbacks(Frantic Games - changes materials after conclusion of campaign, GOon- crushing cycle of campaigns, Prodont- changes shell company names biweekly)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 19:33:59


Post by: DaveC


 Absolutionis wrote:
Title says there is information on a Dragonball Z board game on pg19, but I can't find anything related to DBZ nor even a page 19 (yet).


Oops my bad it's page 17 fixed now.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/480/756746.page#10508478


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/29 20:04:43


Post by: skullking


Very glad to see the Tursir Ox make it to miniature form. This was always one of my favorite pieces of art from Trudvang!

Although, it says that there are 12 monsters in the expansion (which would include the Tursir Ox), all of it's descriptions and background say it isn't really an enemy. I'm really not sure how it will be used in game?

The poses seem to have gotten a little better also. I like this two in particular.













CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/30 20:14:56


Post by: Gallahad


I don't know why I can't leave these things alone, but I just find it so interesting!

Funding is still going up, but backers are going down. Fascinating to watch.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/30 20:51:07


Post by: Alpharius


Well, I know that I'll probably add on $70 for the two expansions soon - I like them both and I can in no way resist a Norse-themed set for the Dwarves!

Though hopefully there's a Nidavellir/Svartalfheim expansion in the works too?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/30 21:48:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I fear you'll soon see paid expansions made out of what was originally inteneded to be stretch goal content like they did with Starcadia Quest

I'm actually quite surprised the expansion didn't stop the drop outs as it is pretty good

Did anybody watch the Eric Lang video? Was that a flop?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/30 23:54:23


Post by: frankelee


I remember watching the Early Bird clock run out a few days a go and thinking, "This is about to start sucking," and it has! Just like Solomon Kane. Interesting that CMON's approach is basically, 'if it founders it founders, we're not rushing to save anything.' Got a feeling I'll have $90 more dollars in my stupid spending fund for any other Kickstarters this year than if this campaign was good.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 15:14:59


Post by: Gallahad


Losing both backers and money today:


CMON could turn this around if they wanted, but there doesn't seem to be much will for that on their part.
I'm guessing that we will get another add-on today to further open the wallets of the true believers. I'll likely be saving the $120 it will cost to get this to my house.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 16:18:34


Post by: Theophony


They’ll save the good stuff till last and really pump it the last week or so, just dull right now.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 16:30:26


Post by: Monkeysloth


I dono. Dull isn't the right words to describe the comments section after the RPG book add on post from today. It's pretty much melting down.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 19:28:02


Post by: Alpharius


Boardgamers are...a weird bunch.

At least, they are harder to understand if you're more of a 'wargamer' or an "RPGer", if that makes sense?

Still, whatever!

I like what I see so far - and hopefully there's more good stuff to be released...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 20:06:45


Post by: DaveC




https://cmon.com/news/cmon-and-guillotine-games-announce-zombicide-2nd-edition

CMON AND GUILLOTINE GAMES ANNOUNCE ZOMBICIDE 2ND EDITION
Jul 31, 2019
Zombicide, the board game, has taken the world by storm with over 2 million copies sold since its release in 2012 and spawning a cult franchise of cooperative zombie slaying all over the world. In 2020, prepare for Zombicide 2nd edition!

In Zombicide, zombies are controlled by the game, while players take on the role of Survivors who must cooperate in order to survive and thrive in a world overrun by the bloodthirsty undead. Find guns and gear to take the fight to the zombies through 25 different scenarios linked by a branching story as you pick your way through an infested city.

Returning players will find that the classic rules have been refined, streamlining game play and getting into the thick of the action faster than ever before! Veteran zombie hunters will still be able to use their current collections as updates will be available.

Along with an emphasis of story-driven, interconnected missions, Zombicide has all new components and award-winning miniatures, including plastic dashboards and six new child Survivors for players to choose from. The horrific and monstrously massive Abomination zombies return, except now there are twice as many ready to feast on player brains.

Thiago Aranha, senior producer at CMON, said about the new edition, “We’ve gone through every aspect of the game, from making doors easier to work, to updating how the car drives on the board, to reworking target priority for ranged attacks and adding in dark zones that will hide zombies from survivor’s bullets, looking at where we could improve and make the Zombicide game experience all that it could be. We’re very proud with how this new edition has turned out, and it’ll provide all the thrill of Zombicide yet challenge returning players in new ways.”

This new edition of Zombicide will be coming to Kickstarter in 2020.


Plenty of advance warning on this one so time to put that $400+ all in pledge money aside . Invader is shipping this week so that ones nearly out of the way. That's going to be some upgrade pack to bring all the old stuff over to 2nd Edition.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 20:23:49


Post by: ecurtz


I'd buy a hardcover book of the new rule system and upgrade cards. But how many heroes have there been at this point? 150? More? I'd really like to see them focus on something else for expansions this time around.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 20:44:14


Post by: parakuribo


The main game is the only game I support from CMON besides Kaosball(which they should've expanded instead of Arcadia Quesrt). Only thing they'll upset me into selling it is if they made the upgrades KS exclusive....

Come to think of it, whatever happened to the Night of the Living Dead version?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 20:52:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




When we reach $1,150k we will unlock for all backers the contents for an expansion, Wildland, including a Storybook and cards.

Wildland is an expansion in which a brand new campaign, with 10+ stories, covers the development of the political tensions and the infestation of enemies and creatures. Form allegiances with new barbaric heroes, choose your place in the dispute, and decide the destiny of the Wildland.



well they're trying to stop the rot, with an intermediate stretch goal,


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 23:03:43


Post by: frankelee


They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 23:10:59


Post by: Alpharius


What is the ‘value’ that you’re looking for in the core pledge?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 23:17:36


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I hold stuff like Massive Darkness as my baseline CMON figure- heavy game.

I felt there was a lot of bang included for your buck there. Other good value markers would be both Black Plague/ Green Horde, and for me at least, Bloodborne (despite the sucky shipping and piles of expansions).

When your core set pledge has plenty of extra boxes included because there's too much swag, that's the point where I can't help myself any more.....

Trudvang still has a ways to go for me at least.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 23:31:26


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Theophony wrote:
They’ll save the good stuff till last and really pump it the last week or so, just dull right now.


By then, potential backers will have shifted to justifying their decision not to back.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/07/31 23:49:57


Post by: frankelee


 Alpharius wrote:
What is the ‘value’ that you’re looking for in the core pledge?


Obviously relative to dollars asked, I would say I wanna see at least 25 more minis and the connected story materials that go with them for a $100 Kickstarter game. I'd think one main campaign at about 15 hours and three smaller campaigns at 4-5 hours each would be quite acceptable for amount of gameplay. But at least tell me I'm going to get 75 minis for that $90-100 year-long loan plus $20-100 shipping fee. Preferably more, a lot more, but at least 75.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 00:23:22


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Second edition? What's the point exactly?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 00:57:04


Post by: Elbows


Another massive influx of Kickstarter cash? I dunno.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 01:13:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


So we can have all our current Zombicide stuff invalidated with new rules?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 01:28:45


Post by: Monkeysloth


frankelee wrote:
They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


Because it's a narrative driven game so this expansion is nothing but good. I get wanting lots of plastic and that the offering isn't to your liking but, seriously, acting like people are idiots for liking the gameplay and wanting more of it is kind of childish.

And the Wildland expansions did seam to work as it's unlocked and now they're to every 10k unlocks for SG with a new female range at 170 after the undead dragon.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 01:36:05


Post by: frankelee


 Monkeysloth wrote:
frankelee wrote:
They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


Because it's a narrative driven game so this expansion is nothing but good. I get wanting lots of plastic and that the offering isn't to your liking but, seriously, acting like people are idiots for liking the gameplay and wanting more of it is kind of childish.

And the Wildland expansions did seam to work as it's unlocked and now they're to every 10k unlocks for SG with a new female range at 170 after the undead dragon.


lol, a little rush of blood to the head there? Silliness.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 01:44:29


Post by: Theophony


 Elbows wrote:
Another massive influx of Kickstarter cash? I dunno.

Being able to get everything printed and available to the masses. Stores are generally selling through stuff pretty well, new people won’t have to hunt everything down at multiple places. It’s a guaranteed sell with a proven name, and they will make money. It may not be for you, but there’s plenty of people who will buy it up and their bottom line will be boosted.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 02:36:31


Post by: Monkeysloth


frankelee wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
frankelee wrote:
They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


Because it's a narrative driven game so this expansion is nothing but good. I get wanting lots of plastic and that the offering isn't to your liking but, seriously, acting like people are idiots for liking the gameplay and wanting more of it is kind of childish.

And the Wildland expansions did seam to work as it's unlocked and now they're to every 10k unlocks for SG with a new female range at 170 after the undead dragon.


lol, a little rush of blood to the head there? Silliness.


Ya, what about it? CMoN has made a lot of dumb mistakes in this campaign and have phoned it in mostly. There's a lot of valid ways to o complain about it but going after the backers by mocking and laughing at them. Theres no excuse for that and it's sad that it was allowed here.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 03:45:24


Post by: frankelee


 Monkeysloth wrote:
frankelee wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
frankelee wrote:
They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


Because it's a narrative driven game so this expansion is nothing but good. I get wanting lots of plastic and that the offering isn't to your liking but, seriously, acting like people are idiots for liking the gameplay and wanting more of it is kind of childish.

And the Wildland expansions did seam to work as it's unlocked and now they're to every 10k unlocks for SG with a new female range at 170 after the undead dragon.


lol, a little rush of blood to the head there? Silliness.


Ya, what about it? CMoN has made a lot of dumb mistakes in this campaign and have phoned it in mostly. There's a lot of valid ways to o complain about it but going after the backers by mocking and laughing at them. Theres no excuse for that and it's sad that it was allowed here.


Removed - BrookM


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 05:07:44


Post by: ced1106


frankelee wrote:
They seem to be celebrating on the KS right now because of the new stretch goal. Not sure I quite get why, all they did was toss in a booklet and some cardboard pieces they had planned as a stretch goal a bit early. Nobody but the severest of CMON fanbois are going to change their mind about this campaign over a booklet and they're already sold anyway. This core pledge lacks value, it wasn't a booklet away from that being solved. LOL


I'm gonna guess CMON is more interested in whale-hunting, with the Bloodborne "All in One" and shipping costs, which encouraged buying more expansions. So, with the Trudvang EB's dropping out, and internet comments being more of a vocal minority, any frickin' bone is better than nothing. Shipping prices *have* been increasing, so I don't particularly blame KS moving from a "value" model to a "deluxe" model. Retail prices are dropping for games, thanks, Amazon, and $100+ for a boardgame was even high when KS first started. So, if your audience is nothing but $100+ backers, next step is to go after the $300+ ones, I suppose. CMON certainly has the numbers to know how good of an idea this is.

So the Zombicide electronic table was announced, and now 2nd edition. I'm also going to guess (all my guesses have been easy, I suppose) that CMON hasn't found a new franchise to dry up, and they're still going at it with Zombicide. (I'd like to see the Night of the Living Dead version, though... ) Arcardia Quest's gone through pets and space, and Massive Darkness wasn't well-received by BGG for its post-funding rules changes. (At 4M, maybe Bloodborne will have a sequel, for The Hunters of Old Legend (?) content that wasn't part of the BB campaign?) Trudvang's also already doing better than Munchkin Dungeon, Project: Elite, and Starcadia Quest. I'm guessing yet again that it will do better than HATE and Song of Ice and Fire.

In any case, this is a niche game and there aren't too many like it, so I'd think that anyone who wants the game would have pledged by now.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 14:25:09


Post by: frankelee


 ced1106 wrote:

I'm gonna guess CMON is more interested in whale-hunting, with the Bloodborne "All in One" and shipping costs, which encouraged buying more expansions. So, with the Trudvang EB's dropping out, and internet comments being more of a vocal minority, any frickin' bone is better than nothing. Shipping prices *have* been increasing, so I don't particularly blame KS moving from a "value" model to a "deluxe" model. Retail prices are dropping for games, thanks, Amazon, and $100+ for a boardgame was even high when KS first started. So, if your audience is nothing but $100+ backers, next step is to go after the $300+ ones, I suppose. CMON certainly has the numbers to know how good of an idea this is.

So the Zombicide electronic table was announced, and now 2nd edition. I'm also going to guess (all my guesses have been easy, I suppose) that CMON hasn't found a new franchise to dry up, and they're still going at it with Zombicide. (I'd like to see the Night of the Living Dead version, though... ) Arcardia Quest's gone through pets and space, and Massive Darkness wasn't well-received by BGG for its post-funding rules changes. (At 4M, maybe Bloodborne will have a sequel, for The Hunters of Old Legend (?) content that wasn't part of the BB campaign?) Trudvang's also already doing better than Munchkin Dungeon, Project: Elite, and Starcadia Quest. I'm guessing yet again that it will do better than HATE and Song of Ice and Fire.

In any case, this is a niche game and there aren't too many like it, so I'd think that anyone who wants the game would have pledged by now.



You're probably right, it feels like the rules have changed, unannounced of course but clearly changed. And I'm missing the Kickstarter of old. 2017 started as such a banner year for CMON, part of me thinks that they've been chasing that Rising Sun campaign model ever since and it's just not working out for them. Fewer minis, Eric Lang, lots of hype about gameplay... except Rising Sun was a one time thing that cashed in the pent-up success of Blood Rage and had their mini designers producing some of the company's best work. They've been treading water up until Bloodborne, which was a video game IP, had a ton of minis, and looked like the CMON of old.

A switch to a KS model based on getting just the people with good money, or FOMO issues, to go all-in could be what they want at this point. Sort of like how phone games are almost entirely aimed at the 5% of the population who have impulse control problems. But even with this campaign the add-ons don't have KS Exclusive stuff and people in the comments were mentioning/complaining how they don't need to buy them now. So it's muddled as to what exactly CMON wants, although I definitely think there's an audience out there who just love the hype and excitement of crowdfunding campaigns and love the idea of buying exclusive, one-time-available stuff, even if they don't particularly like the game being sold.

And maybe I should add generally, I'm cool with more gameplay content being added to Trudvang, though I take it as a given the game should come with lots of scenarios, but we're talking about gameplay that people keep asking to see in action because the rulebook and video barely show it off, or perhaps do show off that there's really not much to it. CMON saying they're adding a booklet of scenarios, I didn't think that was gonna wow people, and I was right, a mere $2,200 on the day, -190 backers, and today we're -$600 and -60 backers. So -250 backers with that announcement, I didn't think that was really the turnaround they were thinking it was, not that they're clueless or like dumb things.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 14:30:58


Post by: Aeneades


Night of the living dead Zombicide was in development hell apparently as the designers could not put a good Night of the Living Dead spin on the ruleset. May still resurface but getting increasingly unlikely.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 14:38:31


Post by: DaveC


CMON announces Cyberpunk 2077 card game for 2020

https://cmon.com/news/cmon-announces-cyberpunk-2077-afterlife-the-card-game

Zombicide TMNT packs are available again

https://zombicidetmnt.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 14:45:34


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Plenty of new ASOIAF on display:















CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 15:14:54


Post by: Gallahad


Oh man, that all looks excellent! I want it all!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 15:57:13


Post by: Sacredroach


Dothraki. I may need to get two boxes of them. And I really like the contents of the Baratheon box...Damn. And here I was thinking I was going to be able to save some money...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 16:11:29


Post by: Gallahad


 Sacredroach wrote:
Dothraki. I may need to get two boxes of them. And I really like the contents of the Baratheon box...Damn. And here I was thinking I was going to be able to save some money...

It is funny because the Baratheons are the only force I feel like I can give a pass too. They just aren't really grabbing me for whatever reason. Well, that and the Night's Watch seige units.
I'm excited for those Thenn Warriors. They look like they will be a good anvil unit for Free Folk.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 20:22:34


Post by: Smokestack


Sigh, I want it all too. Not really a fan of Nightswatch, but everything looks really nice.

Does anyone know what factions the colors are in the pics below? Light Grey is Stark? Or Stark allies... What about the rest? Are there any other photos? I looked at the CMON facebook page but didn't see anything.


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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 20:24:12


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Who are the bear dudes? Look kinda interesting. Would pair well with all the cavemen and bone dudes I've been painting.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:02:22


Post by: DaveC


The grey ones are grey because they are resins so don't read anything into the colour the redish tint on the left is just a trick of the light.

The middle group with the sitting guy are Neutral Heroes 2 and that's Walder Frey sitting with Bronn to the right these will be brown in plastic.

Spoiler:


The second picture are Baratheons most likely a separate heroes box these will be yellow plastics. It looks like a mixed Stannis/Renly set. The woman and child are Selyse and Shireen Baratheon. That's probably Margaery & Loras Tyrell on the right as they would be with Renly at this time. Front right looks like Davos Seaworth the left hand on the sword is missing the fingers (hmmm Davos lost his right fingers as he was left handed a mistake? )

Only bear I can remember is the one Jamie and Brienne fight but that might be a Free Folk Warg set given the wolf and birds.

Very back group is Dothraki but I only recognise Strong Belwas the fat guy with the Dothraki Arakh if he's there Arstan Whitebeard is likely there as well. 1 might be Viserys Targareon and far left might be Sir Friend Zone (Jorah Mormont) on foot as he's similar to the mounted version.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:06:08


Post by: Smokestack


Nice, Thanks Dave.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:23:49


Post by: DaveC


 Smokestack wrote:
Nice, Thanks Dave.


No problem I've updated my post after getting a better look a bigger image. The group front left is only one I can't recognise anything from.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:27:26


Post by: Mr Morden


 Sacredroach wrote:
Dothraki. I may need to get two boxes of them. And I really like the contents of the Baratheon box...Damn. And here I was thinking I was going to be able to save some money...


Yeah Dany and the Dothraki is pretty much a must buy for me.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:38:38


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Baratheons seem a little too typecast to me. Every unit fights with hammers? Damn. Still going to pick them up, but I'm now particularly interested in what the Stannis specific units will look like.

The woman in resin must be Lady Melisandre though, and the boy is Edric Storm; Ser Loras is much older. Not sure who the rest could be.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 21:44:39


Post by: DaveC


 Tim the Biovore wrote:

The woman in resin must be Lady Melisandre though, and the boy is Edric Storm; Ser Loras is much older. Not sure who the rest could be.


Actually you're probably right I do forget sometimes that the TV show aged up some of characters and the CMON licence is for the books Margaery would be 14 and Loras 15 at this point in time.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/01 22:47:09


Post by: Gallahad


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Baratheons seem a little too typecast to me. Every unit fights with hammers? Damn. Still going to pick them up, but I'm now particularly interested in what the Stannis specific units will look like.

The woman in resin must be Lady Melisandre though, and the boy is Edric Storm; Ser Loras is much older. Not sure who the rest could be.

Yeah, it is the "hammer team" aesthetic that really turns me off to them. I get that warhammers were used historically, but no bladed weapons just looks silly.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 11:31:53


Post by: DaveC


Zombicide 2nd Edition from Gencon

confirms plastic dashboards which we knew are coming slightly different design again to BP/GH and Invaders.

There's 4 Abominations on show there.

New sculpts for the original 6 survivors on the left and the 6 new children survivors on the right. The new scuplt of the old survivors seem to match this artwork,

Spoiler:


Amy has a small change in her Orange abilities

+1 Free Combat Action
+1 Free Move Action

becomes

+1 Free Melee Action
+1 Free Ranged Action




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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 13:13:18


Post by: Aeneades


Interesting that it says coming to Kickstarter in 2019 as I’m sure original announcement said 2020.

Not looked at my copy for a while but seems just a big visual change to the design of the cards.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 13:29:47


Post by: DaveC


I didn't even spot the 2019 on the card the announcement definitely says KS in 2020. It's looks ready to go so I could see a Zc KS late this year. This would be first year since the initial game in 2012 that there hasn't been a Zc or a Zc rules spin off KS.

Zombicide Season 1 April/May 2012
Season 2 & TCM March/April 2013
Season 3 & Angry Neighbors June/July 2014
Black Plague June/July 2015
Massive Darkness June/July 2016
Green Horde May/June 2017
Invader April/May 2018


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 17:57:49


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I wonder if we'll be skipping on on Zombie Survivors this time around.

My hope is they take a page from all the post Black Plague games to give us some crazier Abominations.

Then again there is something to say for the simplicity of keeping things streamlined instead of every model having its own variation on breaking the rules.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 18:03:11


Post by: LunarSol


I jumped out at Black Plague despite it being a better game. I'd be thrilled to see its improvements ported back to the setting my group was interested in.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 18:10:21


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured





well Trudvang is still struggling and loosing backers

but that's pretty much what Solomon Kane did (which was also card driven, light on gameplay reveals and ok but similar to trudvang, not great on plastic content)




so while CMONs engagement on the KS has been poor, I'm not certain if it had been better (which mythic's was) whether the campaign would be doing any better,

could be there just isn't the market for this type of game compared to a more simple dice chucking thing on a simple set of tiles


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 18:17:50


Post by: Alpharius


Or this *is* what the market is for this type of game?

It only 'lost money' on one day, and sits at $1.1M with 12 days to go...

It'll beat Solomon Kane's funding amount by quite a bit, and I'm sure CMON, who absolutely could and should be handling this better, will be happy.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 18:38:54


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Oh absolutely, CMON has stronger pull (i'd guess Solomon Kane may be a bit better known than and Trudvang especially in the US market)

I wonder if Gencon is the reason CMON aren't even doing their normal minimal stuff in the comments, just the odd collaborator post?

although one would have thought that if you were running a KS during a big convention you might have planned for it in advance


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 18:42:34


Post by: Alpharius


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


although one would have thought that if you were running a KS during a big convention you might have planned for it in advance


You would think that, but this is CMON, which is a curious blend of arrogant/stupid/clever/insulting/idiotic/successful, so...who knows?


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 19:33:37


Post by: DaveC


Well the end of 2019 KS slot is filled

Final part of Eric Lang's Strategic Trilogy no less - Rising Sun and Blood Rage being the other parts.

https://cmon.com/news/cmon-announces-ankh-board-game

CMON ANNOUNCES ANKH BOARD GAME
Aug 02, 2019
CMON is pleased to announce Ankh, a new board game from the mind of Eric M. Lang, award-winning designer of the smash hits Blood Rage and Rising Sun. Play as a God of ancient Egypt, competing to survive as society begins to forget the old ways, so that only you and your followers remain.

Ankh, the symbol of life itself, that even the Gods must fight for.

Build caravans, summon monsters, and convert followers in your quest to reign supreme. With great artwork by Adrian Smith and miniatures art directed by Mike McVey, who both worked with Eric on Blood Rage and Rising Sun, Ankh is the final installment of Eric M. Lang’s strategic trilogy.

Deities, monsters, and the people of ancient Egypt have been lovingly reimagined and interpreted in beautiful illustrations and detailed miniatures, and players will truly feel like Gods as they shake the very foundations of Egypt. All gameplay in Ankh, including combat, is streamlined and non-random. Compete and win solely on your godly wits alone.

"It was amazing to ‘get the band back together’ for this game. It’s always great to work with such phenomenal talents like Adrian and Mike”, said Eric M. Lang. “We all really poured our heart and soul into this game. It’s the finale of our trilogy of sorts, and we wanted it to really be something special. I’m really proud of what we’ve come up with and can’t wait to see those grand figures battling on the beautiful game board.”

Ankh is a game for 2 to 5 players and will be coming to Kickstarter by the end of 2019.

Eric M. Lang Bio: Eric is an industry veteran, having created tabletop games for over 20 years. His history with CMON includes fan-favorite titles Blood Rage, Arcadia Quest, Bloodborne: The Card Game, and more. In 2016, Eric was the recipient of the Diana Jones Award for Excellence in Gaming, and other accolades include multiple The Dice Tower Awards and five Origins Awards.

Adrian Smith Bio: Adrian’s career as an illustrator is prolific, spanning over 30 years. He was one the defining artists for Games Workshop’s Warhammer 40,000 line, and his work with Wizards of the Coast’s Magic: The Gathering is beloved by fans. He has illustrated popular CMON titles like Blood Rage, Zombicide Special Guest Artist boxes, The Others, and Rising Sun.

Mike McVey Bio: Mike is well known for his ability to produce some of the best miniatures around, with three decades of experience in the industry. His resume includes work for Games Workshop, Wizards of the Coast, and Privateer Press. Mike’s figures for CMON include the miniatures in Blood Rage, The Others, Rising Sun and more.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 19:42:37


Post by: Smokestack


I haven't played regular Zombicide in 2 years. But I may be in?? Don't know.

Was hoping that the next Zombicide would be in the Black Plague setting. But was hoping we would get vampires/werewolves as a theme. Like Underworld, or even a WoK cross over...

Minion vampires, that you can kill in droves like Blade...

I do have too many CMON board games though. Maybe I have enough...


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 20:09:30


Post by: skullking


 DaveC wrote:
Well the end of 2019 KS slot is filled

Final part of Eric Lang's Strategic Trilogy no less - Rising Sun and Blood Rage being the other parts.

https://cmon.com/news/cmon-announces-ankh-board-game


When I saw this, my first thought was, "Oh, they know that After the Greek, and Norse 'Patheon' games, Mythic will probably do Egyptian mythology too. So they're trying to get ahead of them." But yeah, I forgot they already had Blood Rage, and Rising Sun, so it's (probably...) not actually the case. I guess I'll have to see how cool their minis are for it. Hopefully they won't be too stingy with them.


Looks like that addition of plastic tokens as an extra has really boosted Trudvang. I think it's gone up 10k today. Maybe they got a lot of Gencon love for it?

I'm with others that would prefer the 'Black Plague' setting for Zombiecide. A Vampire/Werewolf, or even just a 'classic monsters' theme would be amazingly cool. Get some mummies, fish men, and other classic tropes in there for good measure.



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 20:16:21


Post by: Ghool


I'd be all over an Egyptian themed game for the models alone. I don't have high hopes though, as I'm not a fan of Adrian Smiths art style.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 20:21:12


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Alpharius wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


although one would have thought that if you were running a KS during a big convention you might have planned for it in advance


You would think that, but this is CMON, which is a curious blend of arrogant/stupid/clever/insulting/idiotic/successful, so...who knows?


Another issue with these types of games is you're automatically restricting yourself to english speakers as the cost of translation is quite high and not worth it unless it's a really popular game. So even though it ships to EU and Asia you're pulling in a fraction of what you would there with a less narrative game.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 20:29:51


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


That's a good point (although Mythic would also have French since that's their home market)


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 21:02:48


Post by: Gallahad


Man, I am all over Ankh. Adrian Smith art will give it a great swords and Sorcery vibe.
I love the little we've seen.
I drop drippity dropped out of Trudvang. I really wanted to like it, but it is basically impossible for me to assess whether a game is fun or not so far in advance with so little information, so low mini count KS projects just feel too risky.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 21:03:35


Post by: Sacredroach


Yes, I will definitely be on board for Ankh. My group loves Blood Rage and enjoys Rising Sun, so this is an automatic pledge for me.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 22:44:45


Post by: Ian Sturrock


Same for me. Lang + Smith + CMON is almost a must-buy for me, but particularly any game in the Blood Rage spirit pushes over into definite must-buy turf.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/02 23:51:40


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Ghool wrote:
I'd be all over an Egyptian themed game for the models alone. I don't have high hopes though, as I'm not a fan of Adrian Smiths art style.


If it gives us similar quality and quantity of miniatures to Rising Sun, I'll be very happy.

If CMON expect me to ooh and ahh over cardboard components or game mechanics, I will wonder what they think people see in them.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 00:46:23


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


If the inevitable Anubis model looks as nice as that box art, then yeah, I'm in. Which is funny as I don't actually own any of the Eric Lang strategy games CMON has done, despite having painted a fair amount from the first two games.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 02:17:07


Post by: frankelee


I think Ankh goes in my maybe pile, do I need another Eric Lang dudes on a board game? Speaking of which, Trudvang has become depressing and I dropped it as well. Once the plastic tokens stretch goal dropped as an add-on (I jest CMON, I'm sure it was always planned as an add-on) it just felt like I'd seen enough and knew where the campaign was heading. If companies don't want to make their KS campaigns something significantly more than just a retail release, why not just do a retail release? (Free money is why.) But thanks to Ice & Fire CMON is already gearing up to get lots of my money anyway with a Baratheon Starter, and like 8 unit boxes.


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 11:05:17


Post by: DaveC


Close ups of the Baratheon, Targaryen Heroes and the Free Folk "Wargs"

Credit to On the Table Gaming for these - I screencapped them from their video

https://asoiafcc.com/2019/08/02/gencon-2019-asoiaf-bare-bones-review/

It looks like Margaery is in the second set of Baratheons along with Lady Olenna the Queen of Thorns and I think that's Brienne in Renly's Kingsguard form.




CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 11:13:33


Post by: DaveC


and the Neutral Herores



CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 12:45:49


Post by: stonehorse


Really excited to see the Thenn Warriors at long last, going to be hard not to add them to my Freefolk force. The Baratheon models are looking very tempting, if I could afford a second faction, they'd be picked up in heartbeat.

Thanks for the photos!


CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 17:04:34


Post by: DaveC


Some of the Ankh minis on show at Gencon. I might have to get it just for the minis. I understand wanting to show this at Gencon but I wonder if it will have an adverse effect on Trudvang which is down nearly $5,000 today.




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CMON N&R - Next Gamefound - Degenesis Clan Wars Q2 2024 @ 2019/08/03 17:40:29


Post by: Theophony


If it I still another Kickstarter exclusive then I’m passing. I can’t afford constant all in KS, and I’d want some of the bigger models, but I really don’t need all the rest.