If you want a harder version of Zombicide, this is the way to do it. If you get both optional buys you can kiss ranged combat goodbye, or at least see it drastically reduced in effectiveness. You'd have zombies that can't be killed by ranged attacks, plus zombies that block ranged attacks for themselves and other zombies.
And let's not forget you already have to go hunt down the necromancer lest he advance the spawn points or even just end the game. Throw in some deadeye walkers and/or wolvz from prior campaigns and you would have a ridiculously hard fight on your hands. More interesting, I think, but crazy hard. Just looking at it I don't know that the wall and the chi mechanic from the campaign would make up for it. Then again you probably have to be a little crazy to own all that content, let alone use it all at once. It would be cool to mount the siege weapons on the wall, though. With everything all at once you're starting to look like that crazy Matt Damon Great Wall movie - flaming oil falling, artillery pounding away, hordes advancing relentlessly, people diving off the wall on ropes for desperate missions... maybe I do need to get all the addons.
Four add-on characters right off the bat with names lifted from China's Three Kingdoms era (amusingly, one of those "names" is just the descriptor she's known by, and not her actual name, which has been lost to history), five if you count Red Hare. And the Marquis of Mao character looks suspiciously like Red Hare's rider, Lu Bu. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's at least one more that I missed.
On the one hand, you're right - he's got Zhang He's claws. But he's also got streamers attached to the top of his head reminiscent of what Lu Bu is generally depicted as having both in the Koei games, and elsewhere (supposedly phoenix plumes, IIRC).
The title doesn't make any sense for either character, though, afaik.
I keep wondering if they had actually planned an actual Three Kingdoms game at one point and took all those assets and put them here.
Kind of like what happened with the failed Sedition Wars expansions becoming models for CMON's version of Project Elite.
Fine by me at least, even if it's totally random speculation. I'm loving all those samurai models too, and the heroes from other Asian countries getting some representation as well.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I keep wondering if they had actually planned an actual Three Kingdoms game at one point and took all those assets and put them here.
Kind of like what happened with the failed Sedition Wars expansions becoming models for CMON's version of Project Elite.
Fine by me at least, even if it's totally random speculation. I'm loving all those samurai models too, and the heroes from other Asian countries getting some representation as well.
Gosh, I hope that's not the case because this would be a real sad way to see that go down.
I was excited when I saw the name, hoping for some kind of crossover with the Rising Sun board game (like maybe using units from it as aboms or heroes) but sadly it is just more survivors and a cool necromancer.
On the bright side the sculpts are great. If I do pick this up I will grab some of my normal clan figures from Rising Sun to use as the guards to go with them.
Also is it me, or is it kind of weird that they used the actual character names for the japanese add-on but the main campaign is full of three kingdoms figures that are often pretty obvious but don't just use the correct name..?
The Three Kingdoms characters I mentioned above all have the names of real people from that time period. Cao Ren, for example, was a real person. Da Quiao is the nickname (her real name is lost to history) of one sister in a pair who married important members of Wu. Red Hare was the actual name of Lu Bu's horse. We don't know who the Marquis of Mao might have been inspired by. But there are real Three Kingdoms historical figures in that collection using their traditional names.
Dujek wrote: I was excited when I saw the name, hoping for some kind of crossover with the Rising Sun board game (like maybe using units from it as aboms or heroes) but sadly it is just more survivors and a cool necromancer.
On the bright side the sculpts are great. If I do pick this up I will grab some of my normal clan figures from Rising Sun to use as the guards to go with them.
Also is it me, or is it kind of weird that they used the actual character names for the Japanese add-on but the main campaign is full of three kingdoms figures that are often pretty obvious but don't just use the correct name..?
Japanese spellings (ie romanization) are pretty consistent in English. Chinese doesn't really have a definitive romanization of their names so some of them are correct for that method of spelling. Others I'm not sure why they use a title or different name but it's likely more just a fluff reason unless Koei does have some trademarks on some of them (which would be odd if they were all from the books/history).
Thanks you two, so it is just me I was thinking of one that looked like Lu Bu and totally forgot/overlooked the rest.
I like all this asian stuff (a lot, actually) but I do hope we are going to see more of the original winter/kislev aesthetic. Most of the new heroes look like they would freeze to death in the game they're supposed to be stretch goals for!
> Also is it me, or is it kind of weird that they used the actual character names for the japanese add-on but the main campaign is full of three kingdoms figures that are often pretty obvious but don't just use the correct name..?
Chinese names are all over the place, especially when Japanese folklore takes over. (: Even in modern times, we had Peking changed to Beijing (even though the duck stayed the same) and Formosa to Taiwan. (The Chinese call China 'Zhongguo', btw, so I'm waiting for that name to change as well.) Of course, when Romans took over Greece, they renamed the Greek Gods to their Roman conceptual counterparts -- now, that's renaming for you. And then there's CMON's filing off the serial numbers to avoid IP, obvious with the anime, dunno about Dynastry Warriors -- even though DW uses historical names, might as well change them to be safe or something.
Just use whatever names you want. We don't have historical records of what these people even looked like, other than the stylized paintings of the time, so the illustrations are even less accurate!
Zhong guo literally means "central country" (aka the country in the center of the world), so I don't think that one's going to change anytime soon.
Peking to Beijing is just a change in Romanization. As odd as it sounds, the man who invented the Peking "spelling" meant it to sound like Beijing. But he was a linguist, so his phonetic alphabet was a bit unusual by common standards...
Really, though, the Chinese names on this appear to be fairly straightforward, and - aside from the Marquis - are all easily identifiable if you have familiarity with the source material (or enter it into a search engine). All but two are from Three Kingdoms. The other two are Caishen Ye, named after the god of wealth, and Sha Wujing, who's named after the dragon transformed into a horse in The Journey to the West (I'm guessing the more famous Sun Wuking will be revealed as a daily unlock). Again, that leaves the Marquis of Mao. I'm not aware of anyone with that title. And the word Mao itself can mean either cat or hat (yes, like the book by Dr. Suess ) depending on the accent stress.
The ninja turtle one at first made me roll my eyes but they won me over. The Turtles in traditional armor? Fantastic.
New tiles that mix bits of modern city with wrecked snowy medieval bits? Brilliant..
Actual Foot clan that work as a new enemy type? Marvelous.
I don't like that April is not really any different than random hero #5. At least Casey still has a hockey stick.
I have to say that in general there are turning out to be a lot of good add-ons and the core pledge alone has a metric ton of heroes, aboms, and special zombies. At first I was not thrilled how much they were straying from the core aesthetic (which seems like a poncy git kind of thing to say, I know) but the sheer variety at this point has become a lot of fun.
I've got the Thundercats models for zombicide already, and now there are Turtles... what old cartoon will they tap next?..
Some backers were disappointed that the CMON walls lacked ladders, stairs, and cauldrons, and weren't tall enough (they're shorter for gaming), so here are some alternatives. You're paying 3x more, so obviously you'd want them if you could use them for more than WD.
All lack cauldrons. While not difficult to find on eBay, Etsy, and Amazon, cauldrons are not cheap. Maybe you can find dollhouse plastic ones at a crafts store, like Michael's? :/
I'm not that interested in Zombicide, but that Samurai TMNT set is a nice callback to the movie. I do hope it comes to retail and that I can get it then, as I don't want to get the base game (CMON kickstarter requirement) just so I can get this expansion.
TMNT is planned for retail, but they're still an expansion for WD, as the 10 missions require the WD tiles (and other components, I guess). You can, of course, use the Survivors, Hand, and Shredder in other games.
The TMNT pack will be available at retail, it's not marked as KS-exclusive. Same for the campaign and crossfire expansions. Knowing how the last few retail expansions have gone, you will be able to get them cheaper once they're released, so there is not a lot of incentive to get them as part of the kickstarter (besides a few extra figures in some cases). My guess is that having some of the best stuff not be exclusive has hurt the kickstarter total but who knows.
The walls are probably priced OK for what I would eyeball to be around four feet's worth of width in total. But there is nothing particularly remarkable about them, they're just generic brick walls, and they're pretty short too. No asian flavor nor winter flavor. Anyone with a 3d printer, or a friend who has one, can easily do much better.
That’s 3 of the 4 Journey to the West characters so Zhu Bajie “Pigsy” must be likely for tomorrow. As always the core pledge is packed full of value the rest will depend on the charges in the PM.
I figure even if I don't get around to playing White Death proper (which honestly, I probably will, given I've actually gotten all the other Zcides to the table), the sheer variety of characters could be put to use in a bunch of other gaming situations.
This campaign has some really interesting sculpts just for painting things too. I was a hardcore Koei fan for many years and probably have just as many hours logged into various Musou games, if not more than all the Soulsborne nonsense I play these days or Monster Hunters. Having so many famous personalities from the Three Kingdoms and Japan, plus a few other Asian countries is a big plus in my book.
Heck, I'm tempted to pick up a good chunk of the expansions, if not go all in, due to the survivors this time around.
This will go into retail except for the Gumby Pack, right?
CMON (facebook)
- It should be available through retail after the pre-orders have been shipped, but without the exclusives!
also update on previuos packs
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Yeesh. $50 for the packs, plus $22 shipping. Right.
Still, would rather have these than the iffy plushies, stickers, and t-shirts. Looks like there were some Holy Grail action figures, but you don't want to see their OOP prices, either!
CMON is happy to announce our new project, Mordred, is coming soon to Kickstarter!
With art and concept by Adrian Smith (Chronicles of HATE, Blood Rage, Rising Sun, and Ankh) and sculpting by Studio McVey, this brand-new area control game designed by Alexio Schneeberger (with additional design by Andrea Chiarvesio) brings a new twist to the Arthurian legend..
After the merging of Britain and the Fae realm and the vanishing of King Arthur, various factions, both mortal and Fae, now fight for power. Each player will control one of these asymmetrical factions.
They will strive to earn the favor of the 3 great leaders: Mordred, Morgana, and Merlin. But they must use the rounds available wisely, as each action costs precious time. In the end, chaos will be inevitable, and players must prepare for it. It will bring great peril, but also greater rewards.
Stay tuned for more information soon, and sign up here to be notified when the game launches on Kickstarter!
Hmmm...huge fan of Adrian Smith and Mike McVey, but have no experience with Schneeberger's rules writing. I remember reading the rules to Cyberpunk, and decided not to back it.
On the other hand, Andrea Chiarvesio had a hand in the Marvel United series, and we LOVE the hell out of that series.
Sacredroach wrote: Hmmm...huge fan of Adrian Smith and Mike McVey, but have no experience with Schneeberger's rules writing. I remember reading the rules to Cyberpunk, and decided not to back it
For those who bought Zombicide Invader (specifically Black Ops in case it makes a difference), what type of material did they use for the figs? I bought a couple on the secondary market expecting the "usual" (outdated opinion on my part?) shiny smooth dark PVC and instead I got a more 3rd party resin (like Artel) with a light grey slightly rough surface texture and VERY easy to cut with a hobby knife. I'm not complaining by any means but I was surprised.
warboss wrote: For those who bought Zombicide Invader (specifically Black Ops in case it makes a difference), what type of material did they use for the figs? I bought a couple on the secondary market expecting the "usual" (outdated opinion on my part?) shiny smooth dark PVC and instead I got a more 3rd party resin (like Artel) with a light grey slightly rough surface texture and VERY easy to cut with a hobby knife. I'm not complaining by any means but I was surprised.
It's been a while since I looked at mine but that seams similar to what I remember.
Another Miniature Market sale. You need to login to your account to help see the actual discount, on the product's page. Easiest thing to do is load your cart full of whatever you're interested in, then delete whatever is not at a good price. Anyway, saw a lot of ASOIF models. Good luck with the interface. Maybe MM is doing this to escape MAP. Dunno.
warboss wrote: For those who bought Zombicide Invader (specifically Black Ops in case it makes a difference), what type of material did they use for the figs? I bought a couple on the secondary market expecting the "usual" (outdated opinion on my part?) shiny smooth dark PVC and instead I got a more 3rd party resin (like Artel) with a light grey slightly rough surface texture and VERY easy to cut with a hobby knife. I'm not complaining by any means but I was surprised.
It's been a while since I looked at mine but that seams similar to what I remember.
Thanks and let me know. The material is super easy (barely an inconvience!) to convert so I'm glad in that aspect. The detail is a bit soft (reminds me of a scanned 3d model) but still within the realms of what I expect from a board game so again not disappointed. I know it's a long shot that someone would knock off a CMON mini but figured I'd make sure it was legit since the material wasn't what I expected. Regardless, I really like some of the sculpts in the game.
ced1106 wrote: Another Miniature Market sale. You need to login to your account to help see the actual discount, on the product's page. Easiest thing to do is load your cart full of whatever you're interested in, then delete whatever is not at a good price. Anyway, saw a lot of ASOIF models. Good luck with the interface. Maybe MM is doing this to escape MAP. Dunno.
I think they are running the sale as competition to Prime Day at Amazon. People are already "Primed" to buying things on sale from the constant bombardment from Amazon. I've received numerous emails & notifications for 3D printers, resin, and even GW products leading up to yesterday.
Maybe MM are hoping the sale will funnel some $$ their way?
They got me. I picked up some Unsullied, Elephants, and some Baratheons I wanted.
I've backed Mordred because it's right up my alley. Mike McVey and Adrian Smith are some of my favourites so can't be more chuffed. Looking forward to it.
It's a little too far out there to draw me in just for some King Arthur minis (not to mention I have King Arthur minis on the way), but I like how CMON still takes it seriously, and keeps releasing all their stretch goal content at reasonable levels. It doesn't feel like they held back or gave up, which they may have five years ago. Their reputation is with them on every campaign and even games that aren't huge KS successes can turn into big game store successes like Blood Rage and Death May Die.
frankelee wrote: It's a little too far out there to draw me in just for some King Arthur minis (not to mention I have King Arthur minis on the way), but I like how CMON still takes it seriously, and keeps releasing all their stretch goal content at reasonable levels. It doesn't feel like they held back or gave up, which they may have five years ago. Their reputation is with them on every campaign and even games that aren't huge KS successes can turn into big game store successes like Blood Rage and Death May Die.
This is party because everything mostly done already. CMoN moved several years ago to running KS when basically everything's done up to tooling (and sometime even that's started) so all the minis we're seeing are done and ready for the factory to start work on. They'd probably lose money to not make them once they get to a certain point.
6 month results have been released, company is profitable and while total assets exceeds total liabilities - current liabilities exceed current assets but that includes a lot of contract liabilities which is likely to be KS related.
Turnover up from $15.2m to $21.2m of which $11m is from KS and $9.6 from wholesale.
Cost of sales $11.4m for Gross Profit of $9.7m
Net profit before tax $376,000
Total Assets $39.7m
Total Liabilities $20.8m
Total Equity $18.9m
Weird - Knight Models lost their Marvel license when they started producing DC miniatures, Disney/Marvel didn't like the potential for cross-compatibility. Wonder how that will work with CMON.
Given that Marvel Zombies is a separate game from 2.0 (which has some DC stuff) I imagine that DCeased will be a separate game as well that may allow the Dark Knights stuff to cross over into it.
I don't foresee any issues given that Wizkids has had Marvel and DC minis in the same game for a LOOOOONG time.
chaos0xomega wrote: That's true. Hm, wonder why they pitched a fit at knight models then.
Hadn't heard about that but Knight Models did acquire a license for a game of thrones wargame based off the TV show earlier this year via Warner. CMoN has their game via Darksword Minis and just covers the books.
If this is in line with Marvel Zombies size-wise (as opposed to the all over the place scaling of Masters of the Universe), then we can tag this in with Monolith's Gotham Chronicles models and I'll just admit now that there's no way in hell I'm ever going to have the entire horde painted.
I never knew that DC did their own zombie thing. I peripherally followed the Marvel Zombies trend for a while buying trade paperbacks but not any deeper than that. I probably should have known they jumped onto the same TWD/zombie trend during that era though apparently.
chaos0xomega wrote: Weird - Knight Models lost their Marvel license when they started producing DC miniatures, Disney/Marvel didn't like the potential for cross-compatibility. Wonder how that will work with CMON.
Yeah the run came out shortly before covid to9k the world by storm.
Maybe middle of 2019.
It was good I will say.
I’m looking at this with interest definitely
This seriously hampers my excitement for the game. If it wasn't DC i'd automatically stop caring.
For me, that is actually a plus. He designed the newer edition of Dark Age and Wrath of Kings, and I still play those regularly. Granted, this is Zombicide, so there is relatively little room for actual design or development...just fitting the units into the appropriate boxes.
Now, all I need is a Blackest Night (and maybe Brightest Day) expansion to go with this and I'm good.
I'l probably get a base pledge for the KS exclusives, but more "play as zombie-heroes" content limits any potential it has for me. I still haven't played my Marvel Zombies, waiting for X-Men Resistance and all the other wave 2 to ship (which is so very, very close). I want to play as the heroes vs villains or vs zombies or vs zombie-villains. I do not care at all about playing as the zombies.
It's also DC, which I do enjoy but not nearly so much as Marvel.
Kalamadea wrote: I'l probably get a base pledge for the KS exclusives, but more "play as zombie-heroes" content limits any potential it has for me. I still haven't played my Marvel Zombies, waiting for X-Men Resistance and all the other wave 2 to ship (which is so very, very close). I want to play as the heroes vs villains or vs zombies or vs zombie-villains. I do not care at all about playing as the zombies.
It's also DC, which I do enjoy but not nearly so much as Marvel.
This got me thinking...aside from the aforementioned Green Lantern inspired theoretical expansions, these are the teams/groups that I would most like to see outside of the usual suspects:
New Gods
Doom Patrol
Brotherhood of Dada
Metal Men
Omega Men
Atomic Knights
Trenchcoat Brigade
These are also highly unlikely additions, but it is fun to speculate.
Kalamadea wrote: I'l probably get a base pledge for the KS exclusives, but more "play as zombie-heroes" content limits any potential it has for me. I still haven't played my Marvel Zombies, waiting for X-Men Resistance and all the other wave 2 to ship (which is so very, very close). I want to play as the heroes vs villains or vs zombies or vs zombie-villains. I do not care at all about playing as the zombies.
It's also DC, which I do enjoy but not nearly so much as Marvel.
I mean, it's a Dev Diary. They've already reversed the status of the two main DC heroes despite whatever the comics said - no doubt to make the boxed set more appealing (people love Batman more than Supes). I fully expect the Kickstarter to follow the Marvel Zombies/X-Men Resistance template pretty closely with both hero and Villain play and be *pretty* compatible with Marvel Zombies - right down to a cut-down, mass market version where you play as the heroes.
Ultimately, it's still just more Zombicide. It doesn't take much to make the different versions compatible and that Batman Hero card shows it. If there's some gear cards mixed in with the regular hero powerups I don't see it as changing the game fundamentally - or at least not as fundamentally as the addition of the Concrete Saw, the .44 Magnum and the Hollow-Point Rounds did to old-school 2st ed Zombicide...
Dev diary 2 - these aren't giving much away - "zombies" are LexCorp security themed. There's renders of "zombie" Superman and Wonder Woman on facebook, WW pose isn't great.
so confirmation that like Marvels Zombies DCeased will have a stripped down retail only version and there's no 2 wave shipping this time as the retail version takes the place of the KS version for non-backers.
We are happy to announce that, as it has been done in previous projects, DCeased - A Zombicide Game will also have a direct-to-retail/mass market version, a modified core box with a streamlined scope intended for more casual players.
This box will not be offered on the Kickstarter and is expected to hit retail before pledges are shipped out, in lieu of 2-Wave shipping. Stay tuned for more details about this box in the upcoming months!
ASOIAF Tactics: Battle of the Trident - Skirmish level game - small warbands some new minis - same scale as main game. KS next year.
ASOIAF - full grown Drogon Mini (Huge) - part of Tactics KS Cthulhu Dark Providence
Degenesis Clan Wars
Zombicide 2nd Edition Pariz expansion
The Dead Keep
Zombicide Dark Age RPG Blood Rage RPG G0W Kratos and Atreus Minis
I'll be curious to see what the "crossover" for the Dark Knights Metal stuff is. I think all they need is some updated cards but if they want to add more Dark Knights I'm in.
I like the hero reps for the base game so far, i'll be interested to see who makes it into the Kickstarter as add-ons/stretch goals for the game
Battle of the Trident is presumably just a starter set naming convention and the game is going to cover other periods (kinda has to to incorporate that Drogon).
- Not a one for one retelling they are free to take some liberties but there are some licencing inclusions and exclusions required
- Can't play as the "Zombie" heroes
- retail version won't have anything exclusive or not covered in the KS but will have alt. sculpts.
- No giant mini didn't really fit
- Dark Knights Metal - crossover cards included in pledge hero and zombie versions - miniatures not available as an add on - retail only
- Daily unlocks
Well ASOIAF tactics will have me jumping on that. The only reason I never got into the rank and flank game is because I don't have the time to play/paint a rank and flank game with my other games. Really looking forward to it.
Sabotage! wrote: Well ASOIAF tactics will have me jumping on that. The only reason I never got into the rank and flank game is because I don't have the time to play/paint a rank and flank game with my other games. Really looking forward to it.
Really? The units are between 4 and 12 models, and a standard game size has about 5-6 units and takes like and hour and half. That's a not a large time or model investment. You could even go the route of all monsters for a 6 model army, or a full cav force and have like 24 models to paint.
Sabotage! wrote: Well ASOIAF tactics will have me jumping on that. The only reason I never got into the rank and flank game is because I don't have the time to play/paint a rank and flank game with my other games. Really looking forward to it.
Really? The units are between 4 and 12 models, and a standard game size has about 5-6 units and takes like and hour and half. That's a not a large time or model investment. You could even go the route of all monsters for a 6 model army, or a full cav force and have like 24 models to paint.
Maybe for you it isn’t. Games being an hour and a half isn’t bad, though to be fair most of them I have seen played take closer to 2 hours (which again isn’t too bad). As far are painting going I get about 60-70 miniatures painted a year, I have very little free time and am not a fast painter. I also play three other games which take the majority of that painting time.
I just haven't really heard that said about this game before, but fair play. I feel as if the amount of models needed is one of the strong points of the game personally.
If two infantry units take 8,3 hours you are looking at 25hours for a 6 unit army and that means 12-13 weeks if you paint for 2 hours per week (like, half an hour every second day) - 3 months until you finish an army at this pace! That's a lot of time.
I understand that some people don't want to paint an entire army for ASOIAF.
In a typical game you would have 7 "units" but three of them are usually single character models that play on the tactics board (not on battlefield). There are many characters you want to have painted up for ASOIAF game, and I enjoy having characters to lavish a little more time on as a reward for finishing combat units.
No matter what people prefer, I'm glad to see the enthusiasm around ASOIAF Tactics, as it will bring more eyeballs and units to my absolute favorite game of all time!
It’s off to a slow start for comic book licence, for comparison Marvel Zombies took $3.1m in its first day DCeased will probably take a fifth of that (currently at $538k) it’s closer to White Death @ $690k.
Just the one pledge level at $130 as there is no Zombie mode like X-Men Resistance. Base pledge is probably worth it with the added SG but anything else is just cheaper at retail when VAT and shipping is added.
I am finding it really hard to get motivated with this one. Marvel had put in restrictions (no zombie Spider-Man or any Punisher models for example) but DC not allowing a zombie mode already reduces the content massively.
I wasn’t a fan of the original Dceased comic but did enjoy the later spin offs and sequels more which I suspect are going to get paid addons later which may make me slightly more interested (especially if there is a Shadowpact expansion) but not sure will be enough for me to sign up with the postage and VAT costs.
Frustratingly, most of the Stretch goals so far appear to be for characters who did not feature in Dceased when there are so many characters from the actual comics which they should be including instead (assume it’s dictated from DC are can’t see CMON wanting to prioritise Miss Martian over Poison Ivy for example).
Aeneades wrote: I am finding it really hard to get motivated with this one. Marvel had put in restrictions (no zombie Spider-Man or any Punisher models for example) but DC not allowing a zombie mode already reduces the content massively.
I wasn’t a fan of the original Dceased comic but did enjoy the later spin offs and sequels more which I suspect are going to get paid addons later which may make me slightly more interested (especially if there is a Shadowpact expansion) but not sure will be enough for me to sign up with the postage and VAT costs.
Frustratingly, most of the Stretch goals so far appear to be for characters who did not feature in Dceased when there are so many characters from the actual comics which they should be including instead (assume it’s dictated from DC are can’t see CMON wanting to prioritise Miss Martian over Poison Ivy for example).
It really seems that DC is wanting to push the newer heroes and characters (which is understandable given the poor reception of all of their movies in the last 6 years or so) for exposure, but those are not the heroes that people who have stable jobs and can afford these luxuries want to see. A lot of people want the usual characters (Batman Family, JSA, Legion, Superman Family etc) and instead we are seeing Young Justice, New Teen Titans and the like.
Of course, it is also likely that CMON is getting the contractually required but more unknown characters out of the way first (granted, Miss Martian has been around for over a decade) but I think the realy money will be in expansions of the classics. That and I want to really large Blackest Night expansion...
I picked up the Marvel one and most of the expansions but not much grabbing me here - even the Wonder Woman sculpt is a bit meh. Is Wonder girl actually about 6 - not that familiar with character beyond tv show
Backed for the inevatable stretch goals, but I'm also not terribly excited by this one.
I'm definitely one of those people that mostly want the usual characters, that's about all I care about on this one. Young justice was a good show though, I'm OK with Miss Martian as long as we get Conner Kent and Red Robin.
We've already got hero version of Aquaman as a stretch goal, so I'm guessing we'll see hero versions of the zombie Superman and Green Lantern by the end too.
I'm finding this one pretty meh to be honest. I've never been a huge DC guy, so I have a slightly-beyond-surface-level knowledge of their cast of characters at best, so with no Zombie mode and a huge cast of "who?/silly/mid" characters I'm really not feeling this one.
I expect we'll get hero versions of all the characters by the end. At least we'll have "Superhero" type cards to use with The Seven from this...
There’s some great lesser known characters in this for fans.
I had actually forgotten all about it till I got an email saying ends soon..
So for the UK it says tax to add (and postage if course).
So those who’ve backed a Cmon before from here.
It’s $130 plus tax (20%?) plus est. $47 shipping (plus tax?), plus the cost of any expansions which will also have tax and extra shipping costs presumably.
I'm all for the fanservice deep cuts, but I do think to hit the widest audience possible that they need as many of the more well known characters and those known by people less into the DCU as possible - especially in living/hero mode since WB seems to have disallowed a Zombie mode.
It’s just a shame their Kickstarters get so expensive by the end.
And that’s with just the actual price it lists on there (without additional tax and postage).
It’s a lot of stuff even just Base with all the exclusive extras. But realistically you’ll barely if ever use it all anyway..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Interestingly. Black Plague looking back was $15 postage from German hub. And it’s now $47 from a UK hub which is closer.
Mad postage in a little under 10 years.
Also appears they didn’t add VAT back then.
Not that expect those kinds of prices still.
Very torn on backing.
Zombicide is one of the few games where I do (very slowly) end up adding it all into one big pile, so it's usually worth it to me. Most of these DC heroes are a big ol' case of "who?" to me, so this is less exciting then the Marvel one where I at least have a passing idea of most characters as I used to read the comics years ago before the MCU, but I guess it's not too different to the random Zombicide characters of the other series.
At worst I can paint them up like background characters from The Boys or Invincible.
MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE – CLASH FOR ETERNIA will be available to UK, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East next year and CMoN will be running a Gamefound in January for the reprint with 2 new characters. There will not be a retail release.
I'm VERY surprised that CMON hasn't dropped their ALL-IN pledge amount for DCeased.
I think if they end up not doing an All-In, I'm probably going to just stick with the base pledge and buy the rest in two years at local retail.
I know this campaign isn't running as fast as others have in the past, but that seems to be mainly down to "No Zombie Mode" and DC being far less casual based than Marvel.
rybackstun wrote: I'm VERY surprised that CMON hasn't dropped their ALL-IN pledge amount for DCeased.
I think if they end up not doing an All-In, I'm probably going to just stick with the base pledge and buy the rest in two years at local retail.
I know this campaign isn't running as fast as others have in the past, but that seems to be mainly down to "No Zombie Mode" and DC being far less casual based than Marvel.
We shall see.
They posted it a few minutes after you posted you get 1 of the smaller expansions free plus some exclusive bits.
rybackstun wrote: I'm VERY surprised that CMON hasn't dropped their ALL-IN pledge amount for DCeased.
I think if they end up not doing an All-In, I'm probably going to just stick with the base pledge and buy the rest in two years at local retail.
I know this campaign isn't running as fast as others have in the past, but that seems to be mainly down to "No Zombie Mode" and DC being far less casual based than Marvel.
We shall see.
They posted it a few minutes after you posted you get 1 of the smaller expansions free plus some exclusive bits.
Spoiler:
I was JUST coming here to say: "They made a joke outta me!"
Looks good. 400 is a chunk, but a free expansion and effectively free stretch goals is decent.
Unless I have missed them, they haven't included characters for Jon Kent Superman or Damien Wayne Batman which seems like a big omission considering they are the main characters in most of the Dceased stories.
Aeneades wrote: Interesting that they are using Gamefound rather than Kickstarter, a first for CMON I believe.
wouldn't be surprised if it's to minimise the awareness of the 're-release' aspect of things by kickstarter backers. If they think they might get a second chance to buy something there will be less incentive to buy a massive KS bundle (even if CMON really aren't going to do this sort of thing again). It also lets them try out gamefound as a platform with something less important (a lot of the costs have already been paid), and where they've already got KS sales data
Ghool wrote: Now Clash for Eternia has Syclone and Jitsu?!
I feel ripped off! I should have waited for this one…..
It says that you can order the two new models separately.
With free shipping within the USA.
The game seems to have gotten an overall good rap - what are people's thoughts on it here? Shipping worldwide this time, so I may be interested in this version of the campaign.
I know this campaign isn't running as fast as others have in the past, but that seems to be mainly down to "No Zombie Mode" and DC being far less casual based than Marvel.
We shall see.
Well, there's also a lot less on offer in terms of the KS bonus freebie daily unlock characters for a very similar price - a few of those paid extra boxed expansions worth in fact, making it substantially more expensive.
Probably also a contributor. Along with a lot of people very recently gotten a giant box or two (or more) worth of Superhero Zombie Game(tm)
I know this campaign isn't running as fast as others have in the past, but that seems to be mainly down to "No Zombie Mode" and DC being far less casual based than Marvel.
We shall see.
Well, there's also a lot less on offer in terms of the KS bonus freebie daily unlock characters for a very similar price - a few of those paid extra boxed expansions worth in fact, making it substantially more expensive.
Probably also a contributor. Along with a lot of people very recently gotten a giant box or two (or more) worth of Superhero Zombie Game(tm)
All fair. I went Omega pledge because I'm a huge DC fan and some of these late game Stretch Goals have been great. I know there's fatigue for Zombicide right now but this game still isn't dropping for another 2 years so /shrug.
Now to see how much they charge me for shipping in 2 months
Not as much as they’re charging me if I do back it..
Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess Swamp Thing was the last free mini stretch goal.
The next one is a bit for all the extras (we will probably be given that even if we don’t reach it right?)
You always get the last revealed SG as a freebie even if it doesn't hit the unlock amount by the end. Also, the box is always the last big SG, with a couple of cheap throwaways planned if it goes crazy: Marvel got ID cards (just the cards) to use Multiple Man as a zombie hero, White Death got Michelle Yeoh from Everything Everywhere, Old West got a few extras of the already unlocked special zombies.
Stretch Goals for a CMON games are pretty obviously pre-planned out, they just adjust the dollar amount to match how the campaign is doing to make sure a new one gets hit basically every day. Drives interest and keeps the campaign out of the doldrums that most hit after a few days.
I'm in for the base game only, and will probably add Unkillables for Deathstroke in the PM. Annoyingly all of the sets only have 1 or 2 heroes I want, then a bunch of chaff I don't want
I'm in for the base game only, and will probably add Unkillables for Deathstroke in the PM. Annoyingly all of the sets only have 1 or 2 heroes I want, then a bunch of chaff I don't want
This is where I am at as well all of the expansions have 1 or 2 bits I might be interested in but they've spread things out so much I'm just not bothered beyond the base pledge, Arkham Asylum gets closest so I might add that in the PM but even that's a retail release that will probably end up cheaper from an online retailer.
The box will be added whether it makes the goal or not there's enough time left and the total is rising fast enough that here might be time for another SG as well.
Well I’ve just pledged a dollar.
Will decide in a few months.
But base game seems the way, good value for content, but will depend what that tax and shipping comes out to at the exchange rates at the time I suppose.
Arkham And Batfamily look like the ones I’d get if I went further.
Lanterns is cool too but less value I guess.
What do the base and expansions retail at normally compared to KS price.
I’ll skip the KS exclusive boxes as they aren’t enough.
But the $60 dollar add, is that a lot cheaper than what it would be on release (it’s only a couple KS exclusives in those after all..)
Also, you can get so many of these characters just 3D printed so the price has to be good especially if it never ends up seeing much play..
What do the base and expansions retail at normally compared to KS price.
I’ll skip the KS exclusive boxes as they aren’t enough.
But the $60 dollar add, is that a lot cheaper than what it would be on release (it’s only a couple KS exclusives in those after all..)
Using White Death as an example as it's the latest
Base Game £110 RRP discounted to £88
Eternal Empire KS $45 plus VAT @20% $9 = $54 (£43) RRP £50 discounted to £40
TMNT KS $50 plus VAT @20% $10 = $60 (£47.50) RRP £60 discounted to £48
A $60 add on is really $72 (£57) when UK VAT is added. Probably £70 RRP but £56 discounted. (there's no direct comparison as this is the first ZC KS with a $60 expansion - Rio Z is £66 RRP but is retail only).
The weight of those will also add a bit to the shipping so that needs to be factored in as well. So you might break even with or pay a little more on KS but end up with a KS exclusive extra mini or 2.
The Stony Shore pillagers look like they will be very useful general bandits in addition to whatever benefit they bring to the best tabletop game out there (ASOIAF)
For some reason the Baratheon Halberds poses are awkward to my eye.
Giants look great. They should really bolster Mag The Mighty lists.
Umber Ravagers look cool, but I think I'll paint the horse armor as leather.
Really looking forward to ASOIAF Tactics, I'm kind of surprised its crowdfunding is so early in the year though. Not that it's a bad thing, I just thought there was going to be a bit more build up to it.
The cynic in me wants to think that they're changing the time period so you can't use your existing minis. Regardless, since that doesn't really affect me much with my small handful of figs for RPGs, my interest is piqued.
warboss wrote: The cynic in me wants to think that they're changing the time period so you can't use your existing minis. Regardless, since that doesn't really affect me much with my small handful of figs for RPGs, my interest is piqued.
I believe they have said this game will be built with crossplay in mind.
The initial comment was that you can use the miniature game models in tactics (guessing with purchase of character card packs) but that tactics figured won’t be comparable with the miniature game as that is strictly taking place following death of King Robert.
I've just been fast forwarding through the livestream for the Tactics reveal so I probably missed alot but the minis will be physically compatible between the two games (as in same general physical scale and base size). Some figs will just be swapable into existing profiles whereas others will have to have special cards released in the future. Some big monster style units won't cross over or make sense in a skirmish game. The new game's minis will come with textured bases instead of flat/empty ones so they may be a couple millimeters taller due to that. Also they're using some sort of "daily unlock" method for expansions instead of stretch goals unlocked at certain levels of funding. Launches next Thursday.
If the new trailer is anything to go by there are either 6 additional addon boxes in the campaign as they show 8 boxes in the throne room at the end.
And preview campaign has been updated (we have terrain). Main pledge comes with Battle of the Trident, terrain and stretch goals, the first of which appears to be making up a Battle beneath the Wall box (exclusive to the campaign).
I'm still not clear on what this is - its a new standalone game but cross compatible with the existing? Are these new models all getting rules or do they just become alt sculpts for other stuff?
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm still not clear on what this is - its a new standalone game but cross compatible with the existing? Are these new models all getting rules or do they just become alt sculpts for other stuff?
It’s a new game but there will be some cross compatibility between the two. They would ideally like to make everything from the miniature game work in Tactics and everything in tactics work in the existing game but have admitted it may not be possible but will try.
Some of the models like the Baratheon wardens and stag knights are alt sculpts. Characters which already appear in the miniature game can be used as alt sculpts as well such as the Roose Bolton example.
Watched the live stream last night on this one and am really looking forward to it. ASOIAF is my favorite fantasy series, I’m a skirmish gamer, the sculpts look great and characterful, and the 80 pledge seems like a great value. Aside from Battletech, this will be the most solidly a Crowdfund has ever sold me on something.
Ill be picking up the models for sure, but I'm not looking forward to seasonal updates every 6 months to shift competitive metas. ASOIAF has lost me in the constant changes, especially with no ink-friendly option to print out updated cards. I hope this game isn't the same in that aspect.
This game is 100% more board game based than actual Skirmish wargame based. CMON knows that they have a big quagmire when it comes to ASOIAF so I think they're gonna fire this off and not bother with any balance passes thereafter.
rybackstun wrote: This game is 100% more board game based than actual Skirmish wargame based. CMON knows that they have a big quagmire when it comes to ASOIAF so I think they're gonna fire this off and not bother with any balance passes thereafter.
Much more like Zombicide than anything else.
How so? What makes it more of a board game than a skirmish wargame based on what they've previewed already? I'm genuinely asking as I mainly follow the game for the minis/sculpts so don't understand what the big quagmire is when it comes to ASOIAF. Are you referring to the disastrous end to the first series and/or the decade delay in publishing the next book? Or is the quagmire more to do with the CMON game itself?
As for a Zombicide Song of Ice and Fire, I actually think that might be a good idea and fill a niche with the property that isn't currently being satisfied (namely a game with White Walkers) as well as mesh with their existing Zombicide line of games. I don't think that's what you meant but you inadvertently made a good point IMO.
rybackstun wrote: This game is 100% more board game based than actual Skirmish wargame based. CMON knows that they have a big quagmire when it comes to ASOIAF so I think they're gonna fire this off and not bother with any balance passes thereafter.
Much more like Zombicide than anything else.
What quagmire for ASOIAF? They have ten playable armies, a large product line, the game is buckets of fun, affordable, has regular releases, and is attached to a popular IP.
I can only see locally, but the game is growing by leaps and bounds here. Many units have sold through multiple print runs and they keep producing new units. CMON drops underperforming projects fast. With the rate of releases for this game and the continued dev involvement that is all a sign the game is profitable for them.
The sort of euro boardgamey design ethos around balance, multiple paths to victory, and tough choices is what makes ASOIAF TMG so unique and interesting in my opinion. I hope they have approached ASOIAF Tactics the same way (and it looks like they have).
I know people love to bag on Zombicide, but it is a fun cooperative game even "Monopoly and Yahtzee" type boardgame people can enjoy. I would definitely buy a ASOIAF themed Zcide.
rybackstun wrote: This game is 100% more board game based than actual Skirmish wargame based. CMON knows that they have a big quagmire when it comes to ASOIAF so I think they're gonna fire this off and not bother with any balance passes thereafter.
Much more like Zombicide than anything else.
How so? What makes it more of a board game than a skirmish wargame based on what they've previewed already? I'm genuinely asking as I mainly follow the game for the minis/sculpts so don't understand what the big quagmire is when it comes to ASOIAF. Are you referring to the disastrous end to the first series and/or the decade delay in publishing the next book? Or is the quagmire more to do with the CMON game itself?
As for a Zombicide Song of Ice and Fire, I actually think that might be a good idea and fill a niche with the property that isn't currently being satisfied (namely a game with White Walkers) as well as mesh with their existing Zombicide line of games. I don't think that's what you meant but you inadvertently made a good point IMO.
Nothing to do with the actual subject, more the way the devs handle the rules often. From what I can tell from tactics, there seems to be less room for interpretation and error compared to the rank and flank game. Could be wrong moving forward, I'm just saying the presentation of this is more board game and less skirmish game.
rybackstun wrote: This game is 100% more board game based than actual Skirmish wargame based. CMON knows that they have a big quagmire when it comes to ASOIAF so I think they're gonna fire this off and not bother with any balance passes thereafter.
Much more like Zombicide than anything else.
What quagmire for ASOIAF? They have ten playable armies, a large product line, the game is buckets of fun, affordable, has regular releases, and is attached to a popular IP.
I can only see locally, but the game is growing by leaps and bounds here. Many units have sold through multiple print runs and they keep producing new units. CMON drops underperforming projects fast. With the rate of releases for this game and the continued dev involvement that is all a sign the game is profitable for them.
The sort of euro boardgamey design ethos around balance, multiple paths to victory, and tough choices is what makes ASOIAF TMG so unique and interesting in my opinion. I hope they have approached ASOIAF Tactics the same way (and it looks like they have).
I know people love to bag on Zombicide, but it is a fun cooperative game even "Monopoly and Yahtzee" type boardgame people can enjoy. I would definitely buy a ASOIAF themed Zcide.
The quagmire is based on the way they design and balance the game and how often they're told something is just flat out incorrect and they either ignore or make fun of the players trying to build the game in the local communities.
I'm not a fan of the designers, like at all. I've heard and seen the stuff they do and say when it comes to the game and it's all just really stupid. Very clear language on cards or rules ignored in favor of what they THINK something should do rather than what it actually says to do, so much so that they changed the rules of the game to fit their interpretation of the rules rather than what the rules actually say. I know that sounds weird because THEY make the game, but experiencing it is very different from explaining it.
My local crew seems hyped for Tactics, so I'll probably buy into $80 level, but my expectations are real low.
rybackstun wrote: Nothing to do with the actual subject, more the way the devs handle the rules often. From what I can tell from tactics, there seems to be less room for interpretation and error compared to the rank and flank game. Could be wrong moving forward, I'm just saying the presentation of this is more board game and less skirmish game.
I'm not a fan of the designers, like at all. I've heard and seen the stuff they do and say when it comes to the game and it's all just really stupid. Very clear language on cards or rules ignored in favor of what they THINK something should do rather than what it actually says to do, so much so that they changed the rules of the game to fit their interpretation of the rules rather than what the rules actually say. I know that sounds weird because THEY make the game, but experiencing it is very different from explaining it.
Fair enough. I haven't done more than a cursory flip through of the rules themselves and the only thing I know about the cards is that you should expect to reprint most of them yearly depending on your faction unfortuantely making the in box ones relatively useless. Just based off of the few streams I've watched, it looks like most of the folks there speak English very well despite it being what sounds like a second language for most of them. No hate on bilingual folks (I'm one of them!) but I don't know if that or a more european approach to the rules factors more into the potential loosey-goosey nature that needs so many tweaks post release.
These look very cool. Clearly they're using the game to also make some bold artistic design choices for the minis. Which I think is at the very least objectively interesting, and I really look forward to adding them to the collection.
The dragon piece is absurdly large, you'd think the little guys around him had to be 10mm or 15mm if you didn't know better. I'd have to buy a curio cabinet to store him in. The other expansions will likely be more attractive to me, but I can't fault CMON for trying to replicate the success of giant Cthulhu. And it is a great model.
As far as the tabletop wargame, their approach has its advantages and it also has its problems. It's far too complicated trying to keep up or join in, you can do it, players can do it, it's just too complicated. There's barely a week goes by on the Reddit that somebody isn't asking about what cards they need and where the current rules are, etc. And I'm sure the Facebook group gets a lot of that too. The updates do make the game into a mess in terms of getting started and knowing which rules and cards to play with.
So one good thing about this being on GameFound is you can have your payment broken up over 3 payments. So I am likely getting the $80 level but may consider any other expansions as a result... Wont be getting Drogon as I would have no place to put it... and dragging it around for games feels like a pain.
I hope the Harrenhal tiles will be available to purchase separately or that they offer an "extra tiles" pack like they do in Zombicide kickstarters. As I would like the option of having battles there but just dont need the dragon.
Smokestack wrote: So one good thing about this being on GameFound is you can have your payment broken up over 3 payments. So I am likely getting the $80 level but may consider any other expansions as a result... Wont be getting Drogon as I would have no place to put it... and dragging it around for games feels like a pain.
I hope the Harrenhal tiles will be available to purchase separately or that they offer an "extra tiles" pack like they do in Zombicide kickstarters. As I would like the option of having battles there but just dont need the dragon.
Does Gamefound charge you immediately when you pledge or at the end of the campaign like kickstarter? Also, are the people you're funding required to fulfill their promises or do they just get to post a weaselly "sorry, but..." update to get out of it? I don't think CMON would do that as they've had to my knowledge a great record since their New Wave minis collapsed but I figured I'd ask.
Just like KS gamefound is acting as a crowdfunding platform so failures can happen
but as it's not as old as KS so we've seen fewer of them
although we have seen folk hit when they've late pledges/added extra using gamefound as a pledge manager like with Mythic Games Anastyr and Hel: The Last Saga
Smokestack wrote: So one good thing about this being on GameFound is you can have your payment broken up over 3 payments. So I am likely getting the $80 level but may consider any other expansions as a result... Wont be getting Drogon as I would have no place to put it... and dragging it around for games feels like a pain.
I hope the Harrenhal tiles will be available to purchase separately or that they offer an "extra tiles" pack like they do in Zombicide kickstarters. As I would like the option of having battles there but just dont need the dragon.
Does Gamefound charge you immediately when you pledge or at the end of the campaign like kickstarter? Also, are the people you're funding required to fulfill their promises or do they just get to post a weaselly "sorry, but..." update to get out of it? I don't think CMON would do that as they've had to my knowledge a great record since their New Wave minis collapsed but I figured I'd ask.
This will be my second time using game found. But as Orlando said I have had 4 or 5 use it as a pledge manager. Cards are charged at the end, and if you break it up are broken in to 3 equal payments each month. Though only the initial pledge can be broken up that way. If you add stuff after campaign it charges you immediately for what you add.
This will be my second time using game found. But as Orlando said I have had 4 or 5 use it as a pledge manager. Cards are charged at the end, and if you break it up are broken in to 3 equal payments each month. Though only the initial pledge can be broken up that way. If you add stuff after campaign it charges you immediately for what you add.
Thanks. The breaking of payments isn't an issue for me but I just didn't know if I backed out before it finished if that meant I'd have to deal with/track a refund or if it's only charged when everything is revealed.
but as it's not as old as KS so we've seen fewer of them
although we have seen folk hit when they've late pledges/added extra using gamefound as a pledge manager like with Mythic Games Anastyr and Hel: The Last Saga
Very true and especially poignant given CMON picked up both.
What's the story with the big "Which way is Winterfell?" looking guy with the poleaxe in that Martell starter? He definitely doesn't look like he's dressed for Dornish weather!
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Automatically Appended Next Post: And the thread is long enough that I'm getting the empty page glitch... Maybe it's a good time for a new thread for 2024 before the new KS starts?
warboss wrote: What's the story with the big "Which way is Winterfell?" looking guy with the poleaxe in that Martell starter? He definitely doesn't look like he's dressed for Dornish weather!
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Automatically Appended Next Post: And the thread is long enough that I'm getting the empty page glitch... Maybe it's a good time for a new thread for 2024 before the new KS starts?
That is Areo Hotah, household guard to Doran Martell. There are only a couple commanders that play exclusively on the tactics board and Doran is one of them. Areo takes his place on the battlefield and when Doran takes a zone on the Tactics board he can replace the effect with having Areo's unit March or retreat. Cool stuff.
Doran has a really powerful tactics card where when a friendly NCU takes the crown every enemy unit gets a vulnerable token (allowing you to force them to reroll successful armor saves)
Thanks for the info! I'll look him up on the wiki.
edit: Looks like he's not from the north but rather a more temperate area of Essos. I was wondering why I didn't see him on the show but he was swapped into the big, bald black guy who punches Bronn.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like they posted the rules there. And it'll fund the initial $300k in less than two hours (it's at $288k now at 90 minutes).
Day 1 daily unlocks now revealed (images in the link) -
Battle Beneath the Wall Box
Mag the Mighty hero miniature, profile and motivation cards
1 Scenario with tiles and tokens
6 Small piles of rubble terrain pieces
1 Big wagon terrain piece
2 Barrel terrain pieces
1 Roasting pig terrain piece
2 Big piles of rubble terrain pieces
Only daily I believe. Looks like only goals will be to fill out the Battle beneath the wall box and terrain set. We have 13 or 14 daily unlocks and likely to have 12 models in the wall box (unless the Giant takes up 2 spots).
The cross-over with ASoIaF: TMG is looking leaner than expected which is tempering my enthusiasm a bit, and I must say, the game is getting pricey quickly with expansions that expensive (and with kind of modest contents).
I'm still in, but will half fence-sit these next couple weeks.
warboss wrote: Interesting... I wasn't expecting them to add/preview a third Riverlands skirmish box as an add-on before the Wall one is fully revealed.
The wall skirmish box won’t be fully revealed until the end of the campaign due to the daily unlocks.
I was hoping that we would get a Lannister box c which included Tyrion and some of his mountain tribe as always been disappointed they never appeared in the main game.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: The cross-over with ASoIaF: TMG is looking leaner than expected which is tempering my enthusiasm a bit, and I must say, the game is getting pricey quickly with expansions that expensive (and with kind of modest contents).
I'm still in, but will half fence-sit these next couple weeks.
It’s funny as I want the river lands set. Kind of like it more than the base game… (though I do like Ned and all the Targaryens.
But strangely the pricey ones expansion that I want has kind of put me off the campaign. I am still in for the $80 but will see what becomes available and fur how much by the end. Right now I am waivering as to if I want any of it.
Are those ASOIAF Tactic miniatures the same scale as ASOIAF the Miniature Game?
I have to say the design of those new miniatures is way above those of ASOIAF:TMG. The old miniatures look very dated now after seeing those. The Characters and especially the armor look more grounded in historic designs and "realisitic". Just look at the Tully Sworn Shields, Stark Sworn Swords and bowen or Sandor Clegane or any model with plate armor. At the moment I paint two ASOIAF: TMG game armies and I have to say now that I have seen the new miniatures I find the old ones very ugly looking and I took a hit in motivation in painting those. It seems to me they took another design direction as in TMG. Even if they are the same scale, the difference in design und qualitity is very discernable.
They are the same scale and the game
Has been designed with cross compatibility so you can expand the skirmish game with models from the miniature game and some of the new characters will have rules for the miniature game.
Anon052 wrote: Are those ASOIAF Tactic miniatures the same scale as ASOIAF the Miniature Game?
I have to say the design of those new miniatures is way above those of ASOIAF:TMG. The old miniatures look very dated now after seeing those. The Characters and especially the armor look more grounded in historic designs and "realisitic". Just look at the Tully Sworn Shields, Stark Sworn Swords and bowen or Sandor Clegane or any model with plate armor. At the moment I paint two ASOIAF: TMG game armies and I have to say now that I have seen the new miniatures I find the old ones very ugly looking and I took a hit in motivation in painting those. It seems to me they took another design direction as in TMG. Even if they are the same scale, the difference in design und qualitity is very discernable.
Anyone else feeling the same way?
The minis are the same scale though the bases as textured instead of flat so that will add a couple of mm in total height. As for the sculpts, I think they're slightly more "heroic" looking and less realistically sculpted and proportioned personally (excluding obvious outliers like Tyrion, Mag, and Greg). For that reason, I actually prefer the originals warts and all. One of the things that draws me to ASOIAF is that the figs specifically were NOT proportioned like classic WHFB figs. Sometimes extra detail is warranted like with those peacock Targaryens but in others cases it just looks garish instead.
I can appreciate they wanted to have a game system where every box is basically a starter where you can play the game just owning it, but $70 a pop on the crowdfunding campaign for what looked like six boxes. Plus shipping (and possibly more depending on where you live). It's a bug chunk of change for a game that I want, but I'm just not that hot about. I'll see if the crowdfunding exclusive sets are too good to live without.
frankelee wrote: I can appreciate they wanted to have a game system where every box is basically a starter where you can play the game just owning it, but $70 a pop on the crowdfunding campaign for what looked like six boxes. Plus shipping (and possibly more depending on where you live). It's a bug chunk of change for a game that I want, but I'm just not that hot about. I'll see if the crowdfunding exclusive sets are too good to live without.
CMON did this with Zombicide: Invader as well. That is, they sold a standalone set for $99 MSRP. You could only get it if you pledged for the base. I waited for retail and found it on sale years later. So, yeah, wait for retail, since CMON is better than other KS companies in retail stock.
Too bad CMON isn't pulling a Mantic and having a terrain-only KS. I guess they learned from the base inserts years back that non-gamers are a smaller market than boardgamers.
Tormund looks interesting though initially I thought he might be a John Umber alt sculpt instead. Is the boy little bird under arrest or just stretching?
I like the Fleabottom sellswords... but I think I have probably talked myself out of backing this game. Unless something spectacular gets revealed before it ends of course.
I do kind of want to see some little birds get eaten by the dragon or by the Mountain...
Daily Unlock... and a new expansion. The expansion has 10 minis and is $35.
Its 12 minis ... you missed the Little Birds probably
I think I read the "10 cards" and messed it up.
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Personal wishlist...
* Lyanna Mormont closer to the HBO version. Leather armor... sword...
With a Mormont faction box.
* Rhaenyra Targaryen that looks like Milly Alcock.
With some more generic Targ troops
* Knights of the Vale
* Greyjoy Ship tile
Daily Unlock... and a new expansion. The expansion has 10 minis and is $35.
Its 12 minis ... you missed the Little Birds probably
I think I read the "10 cards" and messed it up.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A lot of the art seems to be inspired by the HBO show...
Personal wishlist...
* Lyanna Mormont closer to the HBO version. Leather armor... sword...
With a Mormont faction box.
* Rhaenyra Targaryen that looks like Milly Alcock.
With some more generic Targ troops
* Knights of the Vale
* Greyjoy Ship tile
All of those would be great. I'm hoping they do a House Aryn faction next for ASOIAF TMG.
Ygritte gets a model as well and I'm cool with that but admittedly I'm biased. I was just converting a spearwife last night as my second ever ASOIAF model.
Well....I like everything so far... and am bored with the crwod funding campaign... but i think I will stay in and just get the basic level with stretch goals pledge and maybe get some addons in the pledge manager. Me adding stuff now doesnt contribute to stretch goals so it really doesnt matter either way at this point.
Noble Knight Sale. Found some CMON boardgames in the Clearance section. Some ASOIF starter sets under $60, some boxes under $20. Also, loose figures.
Uncheck checkbox in Publishers on the left to see the entire Clerance.
$149 to reach free shipping. Sort from highest to lowest, and give up if you can't find something by the time you reach $75, about 10 pages.
https://nobleknight.com/ClearanceItems?SortBy=pricehigh&ProductName=&pS=&SP=2145085819&plS=&MinP=&MaxP=#pf
Regarding the crowdfunding, the add on seems priced like normal boxes at full retail price. The core $80 pledge has savings since you're getting two boxes and, admittedly, CMON's retail pricing is very affordable compared with GW and other companies but it looks like full retail pricing on the add ons (plus shipping later). Other than the dragon and the Wall box so far, the rest should be available at retail, correct? I'd guess that you'd get the other stuff earlier than folks waiting for retail so there is that. I'm not really interested in the main Trident box personally so I'm really on the fence for this at the moment since I'll be able to get the add ons (or more likely) single figs later on.
warboss wrote: Regarding the crowdfunding, the add on seems priced like normal boxes at full retail price. The core $80 pledge has savings since you're getting two boxes and, admittedly, CMON's retail pricing is very affordable compared with GW and other companies but it looks like full retail pricing on the add ons (plus shipping later). Other than the dragon and the Wall box so far, the rest should be available at retail, correct? I'd guess that you'd get the other stuff earlier than folks waiting for retail so there is that. I'm not really interested in the main Trident box personally so I'm really on the fence for this at the moment since I'll be able to get the add ons (or more likely) single figs later on.
Yeah I'm on the same boat as you. I think I can get everything at retail later probably cheaper (the shipping cost is too much). The only 2 things that I can't get are the Dragon and the Wall box. I don't want the dragon and the Wall is locked behind Trident.
Basically they have 3 VS boxes (Trident, Wall, Riverlands) but no matter what you want you have to buy the Trident and since I want the Wall I have to back the campaign and hope I can sell the Trident later.
Maybe they will reveal something other than the Wall in the stretch goals.
I'm just in for the 80$ pledge at the moment, even with the high shipping (well shipping anything is expensive these days, but that's a different story), I still feel the two boxes and the terrain box for Beneath the Wall are pretty good value. I really like the Trident box, and am kind of meh on the Beneath the Wall Box, though I am warming up to it because the sculpts in it look like they have a lot of character.
I'll probably just stay where I am at unless they add a Greyjoy set, Bolton set, or some expansions to the Baratheons or Targs.
Does CMON traditionally allow local pickup if you're close to their US location?
edit: I always thought they were a US company but it turns out they're listed on the Hong Kong/Chinese stock exchange and headquartered in Singapore instead.
warboss wrote: Does CMON local pickup if you're close to their location?
Doubtful everything is packed up in China then sent to hubs for onward shipping to backers it probably never gets near CMON other than the samples and even then they have a Singapore and Hong Kong office for that now.
Sabotage! wrote: I'm just in for the 80$ pledge at the moment, even with the high shipping (well shipping anything is expensive these days, but that's a different story), I still feel the two boxes and the terrain box for Beneath the Wall are pretty good value. I really like the Trident box, and am kind of meh on the Beneath the Wall Box, though I am warming up to it because the sculpts in it look like they have a lot of character.
I'll probably just stay where I am at unless they add a Greyjoy set, Bolton set, or some expansions to the Baratheons or Targs.
Same. I am not really in to the Beneath the Wall set, but the minis look cool. I like the Riverlands set... and wouldnt mind Shadows and the Without Banners guys. So maybe will add during the PM... I actually would rather have the Riverlands set than Either the Trident or beneath the Wall...For tMG I collect Neutrals, Lannisters and Baratheons. Though I like the Tullys from Stark and the Mormonts from Stark as well. Still never played a game of tMG...
Sabotage! wrote: I'm just in for the 80$ pledge at the moment, even with the high shipping (well shipping anything is expensive these days, but that's a different story), I still feel the two boxes and the terrain box for Beneath the Wall are pretty good value. I really like the Trident box, and am kind of meh on the Beneath the Wall Box, though I am warming up to it because the sculpts in it look like they have a lot of character.
I'll probably just stay where I am at unless they add a Greyjoy set, Bolton set, or some expansions to the Baratheons or Targs.
Same. I am not really in to the Beneath the Wall set, but the minis look cool. I like the Riverlands set... and wouldnt mind Shadows and the Without Banners guys. So maybe will add during the PM... I actually would rather have the Riverlands set than Either the Trident or beneath the Wall...For tMG I collect Neutrals, Lannisters and Baratheons. Though I like the Tullys from Stark and the Mormonts from Stark as well. Still never played a game of tMG...
The 80$ pledge seems to be the best option if you don't want the dragon. You get one box you want for 60$ and another you don't want for 20$. If you just want the Riverlands it's better to wait for retail.
It would have been a lot better if they had a pledge for 1 VS box of your choosing instead of having to buy Trident.
Especially if you consider that there is already a bigger version of this game (kinda) so people already have chosen an army and they probably want to buy more minis of the same army.
It's bad enough that you have to buy at least 2 armies because of the VS boxes. If you are a Night's watch player or a Free folk player you have to buy miniatures for 4 different armies to get minis for the army you like.
Yeah. I can use the Baratheons from Trident... and I really do like the Targs... so its not a big waste. The FF and Night's watch though are kind of wasted on me... but the extra tiles and terrain are still valuable... and the minis wont go to waste... But yeah.. If we could pick a main set, I would choose the Riverlands... and take the Trident as the free one...
This one has put me in a bit of a quandary. Have an absolute mountain of ASOIAFMG stuff sat untouched in boxes and little real drive to play the game itself. Some of the sculpts in Tactics though... that Roose Bolton could get me backing by itself and the Brotherhood look great. May have to downsize the main game substantially and cherry pick here.
As an aside; how have CMON managed to design three different versions of Ned Stark to date and still not given him Ice? Appreciate that it might not necessarily be the most practical weapon for day to day use but it's not like those sculpts are exactly dripping in realism.
Yeah, it seems pretty strange to me you have to get The Trident Set and the Beneath the Wall set as the stretch goal. It would make more sense to me to just be able to select two 2-faction boxes, or at the very least be able to select a one that is a starter set (including tokens and what not like Trident and Riverlands). Especially as I don't think they have started mass production and are probably doing the Gamefound as a way to gauge how many of each set to produce.
Gallahad wrote: It is also weird making the Beneath the Wall a crowdfunding exclusive set. Surely that would be one of the more popular sets at retail?
Everybody loves the NW!
Well, that should mean being able to sell it in a year at a profit... Not that I will as I am kind of a hoarder... and I like the Ygritte model.
> Regarding the crowdfunding, the add on seems priced like normal boxes at full retail price.
They are. fwiw, In the past, some add-ons NOT marked as KSE's didn't make it to market (Massive Darkness Elementals, which I think CMON did eventually bring to retail or something). But, with this being ASOIF, I'd expect the popular boxes to make retail. Also, fwiw, Canada seems to get the worst of KS, with very high shipping costs from the USA.
> Does CMON traditionally allow local pickup if you're close to their US location?
As doubted (: no. Again, fwiw, not that I watch all KS, but I'm not seeing nowadays local pickups or convention pickups of KS rewards. Reaper's not doing it anymore.
> It would make more sense to me to just be able to select two 2-faction boxes,
Random guess is that it reduces packing errors if everyone first gets the same two faction boxes. :/ Again, as said earlier with Zombicide Invader, you had to get the Zombicide Invader base set, and couldn't choose the Zombicide : Dark Side standalone set instead.
> It is also weird making the Beneath the Wall a crowdfunding exclusive set. Surely that would be one of the more popular sets at retail?
Not that I'm disagreeing, but, IIRC, in the ASOIF KS, CMON had KSE's for some popular characters, yet I haven't read in this thread anyone upset that they couldn't get them retail?
Well, whatever. Good to see interest in ASOIF, a "lifestyle" game that's alive and well, and CMON didn't use KS to continuously release stuff. Meanwhile, my Wrath of Kings boxed sets also remain unpainted...
As someone who has only gotten into the figures relatively recently, a good amount of the kickstarter exclusives (especially the generic ones that aren't named characters) are available for purchase as singles at very reasonable prices. Admittedly, I only started looking 5-6 years after the original crowdfunding ended so I can't comment as to their availability nor can I say with any certainty that the same will happen with these products... but I think I'm leaning towards that method to aquiring what I want and hope it will be so.
I am expecting another big box expansion today and (if keeping to 5 kings era) my guess would be a Siege of Moat Cailin themed box so that they can cover both Boston and Greyjoy.
That would leave only Martell as the only faction without Skirmish specific models.
I agree that even if you did The Battle of the Trident as your primary box, letting people pick a second box free would probably have tipped the scales for more people. Getting that agency to pick what you want as your stretch goals just sounds better. They probably just weren't thinking outside the box though, and wanted to do stretch goal reveals to unlock a bonus box set as they have done with other campaigns in the past. Normally the box sets aren't so interchangeable though, and they missed an opportunity to be cool.
Dang that’s an awesome box. Definitely wasn’t what I was expecting, but I am very tempted. I think I’ll hold on until towards the end to make a decision, because other than the two boxes in the main pledge I told myself I could only get one more. This is the current front runner though.
King's landing is $105 for the bundle as the terrain set is a little more expensive. So...I am gonna stick to the base pledge and at least get King's landing in the PM... Hoping there will be another add on of generic targs that can be added to regular Targs, Black or Green targs...
Still debating on Riverlands and the 2 mini boxes... But King's Landing is awesome.
Really nice models. Both Targaryen warbands in King's Landing box are better than the Trident in my opinion.
So now we have 3 Targaryen warbands and the game is set in 3 different time periods.
I get that the Targaryen fans didn't have any actual Targaryen knights miniatures before but let's not forget that all the Targaryen players in AOSIAF tMG are actually Dothraki players.
Where is my Dothraki warbands??
Although I'm not really sure if they actually fought anyone in Game of thrones... Maybe the Lannisters...?
Maybe the final set revealed in the last week will be some sort of set with Dothraki and Unsullied vs the Lannister forces? That's just pure conjecture on my part though.
So there are supposed to be what? Six double boxes and the two individual (neutral) boxes judging by the trailer?
Which would leave two double boxes left?
I couldn't make out the fronts of the boxes and the minis in the trailer (maybe someone with a fancier computer and more time could).
I'm guessing we will see Greyjoys in one of the Boxes and Martells in the other. Not sure on the opponents.
Not sure what you would pick for the Martells.
I think Greyjoys vs. Boltons for Winterfell would be neat, or with the historical theme they could do the Battle of Fair Isle and have Stannis vs. The Greyjoys and do ships for the terrain. That would be kind of neat.
Who knows though, I guess they could do pretty much anything.
Drogons expansion (excluding model) comes in a double sized box because of the tiles so there is potentially only one large and two small expansions left to reveal.
There's at least two small boxes left to go. One featuring horses. The other seems to have a large guy and a smaller woman. It will surprise me if they top today's set though.
I think there is one more 2-player set to go along with the two reinforcement ones.
Today's was pretty epic. I really liked the two core options that started this campaign (which I backed + the cardboard components for Dragon). I will pick up this latest Targaryen civil war box... here or at retail.
I think there are 4 big boxes and 4 little boxes on the trailer.
The 2 front little boxes are definitely the Brotherhood and the Secrets boxes. And the 2 front big boxes are Riverlands and King's Landing.
If the 2 big boxes in the back are Trident and Wall, that leaves just 2 Reinforcements boxes to be revealed.
If not, we also have 2 more big boxes although the right one does not have any miniatures so it might be like Drogo's box and not a VS box.
Given that that video ends with a shot of the Trident and Drogon boxes, I posit that none of the obscured boxes encompass either of these two. Further, The Wall box needs to be somewhere, so it must be one of the two unknown, obscured boxes. This leaves us with one more unaccounted for.
Those Hedge Knights are pretty cool miniatures....interesting that they don't have foot versions like the Heros do. I'm guessing maybe soldiers that are mounted just get removed from the board when they take a number of wounds equal to their max.
So that leaves a small box and a large one perhaps?
What's the difference between the crowdfunding exlcusives and the "limited" items (the terrain packs)? Obviously Crowdfunding exclusives are just that, but are the limited items going to be available later?
Lots of new stuff for folks wanting to play an ASOIAF skirmish game for sure and I'm glad they're coming out with it for the fandom/playerbase.
For me personally as a gamer, I'm only really excited about a half dozen or so figs spread out amongst the various boxes so it doesn't make sense for me to pay roughly $250 including shipping over a year in advance for that. I'll be anxiously awaiting them on the secondary market instead hopefully as singles.
> What's the difference between the crowdfunding exlcusives and the "limited" items (the terrain packs)? Obviously Crowdfunding exclusives are just that, but are the limited items going to be available later?
Well, in the past, IIRC, CMON had non-KSE items that didn't end up in retail (I think it was the Massive Darkness Elemental Set), so I wouldn't be surprised if CMON decides to keep the standalones in-print, while not making any promises for the terrain packs. fwiw, The original ASOIF terrain was KSE. I think this is a mistake, as Archon and Mantic have shown there's demand for wargaming terrain!
I am gonna stick at the $80... But If I can swing the $420 when the Pledge manager opens I may get it.
The coin pack looked good. But its only enough for 1 player. They have cool looking GoT themed coins on Etsy. May do one of those... I still only really like Riverlands and Kings Landing... but I am a hoarder... so...
Scottywan82 wrote: These all look super cool. I wish I had $750 to drop on all of it. Makes me wish they'd split more of this up to make it more manageable.
They do have some sort of plan for splitting up the payment into monthly payments (without interest?) instead of one big payment in case that helps. Just look at the stretch pay options under each reward.
Settled on the main Sworn Brother Pledge, Brotherhood box, Dunc & Egg, and the Metal coins. More expensive than I'd prefer, but less than the whole thing.
I wanted to pledge but the extra VAT for EU and the big shipping costs are not helping. I always feel that CMON campaigns have extra large shipping costs compared to others.
You are correct. CMON gave no warning about the jump in shipping prices during Bloodbourne (from $26 to $40 for myself), and was (one of) the first companies to charge for VAT, during Massive Darkness.
That said, with the Red Sea conflict, expect shipping prices to be higher, etc. etc. ):
I am still super on the fence here. The Trident box with the Under the wall is a good deal at $80.. but shipping to Maryland could bump it up to $125 at the higher end of that shipping estimate. I am not really that in to the Trident box. But there are some things I like... I am not in to the under the wall set but I do like Ygritte and the Giant. And The freefolk and night watch can be generic enough bad guys in d&d even if I never play Tactics... $125 for stuff I am meh on is a lot. I DO like King's Landing, and I DO like the Riverlands. But i cant get them without the Trdient.
The Hoarder is me wants it all though. If I had not gone all in on Zombicide White Death I would probably gone all in on this... but White death felt better with actual stretch goals even if it was just for show... *SHRUG* I think I have officially talked myself out of this and will wait for King's Landing retail.
ced1106 wrote: > What's the difference between the crowdfunding exlcusives and the "limited" items (the terrain packs)? Obviously Crowdfunding exclusives are just that, but are the limited items going to be available later?
Well, in the past, IIRC, CMON had non-KSE items that didn't end up in retail (I think it was the Massive Darkness Elemental Set), so I wouldn't be surprised if CMON decides to keep the standalones in-print, while not making any promises for the terrain packs. fwiw, The original ASOIF terrain was KSE. I think this is a mistake, as Archon and Mantic have shown there's demand for wargaming terrain!
That's exactly my worry, I skipped the ASoIaF KS completely and missed out on some VERY nice terrain that I absolutely would have bought for other games if it was available. These terrain packs are really nice, but mostly generic and hard to justify $40 each. The Old World ate most of my fun money this month, and I'm just pledged for the base game + print-only version of Drogon's Fury, but FOMO has me worrying about adding the terrain. I'd 100% pick it up at retail eventually, but adding $80 just for terrain packs of mostly generic pieces that I won't see for a year+ feels crappy.
I think they cranked a little too hard on the FOMO in this campaign. I'm going to stick with the $80 pledge plus the Hedge Knights and try to swallow my collector impulse on the rest of the stuff. For context I'm a huge ASOIAF TMG fan, and basically spend all my hobby money and time on CMON projects. I typically save up and back at the " get everything" level.
It is just too expensive an all in for a game I'm currently buying mostly for cool alternative sculpts for ASOIAF TMG.
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Gallahad wrote: I think they cranked a little too hard on the FOMO in this campaign. I'm going to stick with the $80 pledge plus the Hedge Knights and try to swallow my collector impulse on the rest of the stuff. For context I'm a huge ASOIAF TMG fan, and basically spend all my hobby money and time on CMON games. I typically save up and back at the " get everything" level.
It is just too expensive an all in for a game I'm currently buying mostly for cool alternative sculpts for ASOIAF TMG.
I think it's a nice deal for $80. $70 expansion boxes add up QUICK though. Since I've historically received really decent shipping costs with CMON, I'm willing to keep rolling the dice on that and get the Gameplay All-In. It's basically what everything would cost in a Miniature Market sale, plus a terrain box. So what the heck.
In response to the start of this campaign, I've been looking at youtube videos on CMON's previous offerings and I have a very important question... Is it pronounced SEE-mon or Come-on? Also, any Ankh backers who have an extra Taweret hippo guardian you want to sell to a sword and sorcery RPG fan?
warboss wrote: In response to the start of this campaign, I've been looking at youtube videos on CMON's previous offerings and I have a very important question... Is it pronounced SEE-mon or Come-on? Also, any Ankh backers who have an extra Taweret hippo guardian you want to sell to a sword and sorcery RPG fan?
From memory, it's supposed to be 'come-on' (i.e. c'mon) but they couldn't even get their own employees to be consistent with it (including game devs on streams) so they seemingly gave up and just accepted that the majority seem to default to 'see-mon', even if it's a poor facsimile for the actual acronym.
In terms of Tactics I just can't really justify it having built a basket and seen what tax and shipping is going to do. I'd be all over the Dunk and Egg set but don't think there's an option to back to just get add-ons.
warboss wrote: In response to the start of this campaign, I've been looking at youtube videos on CMON's previous offerings and I have a very important question... Is it pronounced SEE-mon or Come-on? Also, any Ankh backers who have an extra Taweret hippo guardian you want to sell to a sword and sorcery RPG fan?
I've always pronounced it Cool Mini Or Not when spoken.
The acronym doesn't feel clear enough to use, regardless of how one would say it.
I want to know what's happening with the new Dust. The Dust graphic novels with models and ingame rules should be received in next month or so but the campaign still hasn't been announced.
Honestly, if you didn't have the link right above I wouldn't know what the game was called. I can't make heads or tails at first glance of the font their using. It might as well be dwarven runes or Egyptian hieroglyphs!
Honestly, if you didn't have the link right above I wouldn't know what the game was called. I can't make heads or tails at first glance of the font their using. It might as well be dwarven runes or Egyptian hieroglyphs!
Degenisis is a post apocalyptic RPG from Europe that was really popular at Gencon years ago. Super expensive as the core set was like $200 but it's one of the nicest looking RPGs I own and that $200 gets you two massive books (rules and settings).
I'm curious about the CMoN game, as I enjoyed reading the RPG books, but I think I'd rather have Dust as well
warboss wrote: In response to the start of this campaign, I've been looking at youtube videos on CMON's previous offerings and I have a very important question... Is it pronounced SEE-mon or Come-on? Also, any Ankh backers who have an extra Taweret hippo guardian you want to sell to a sword and sorcery RPG fan?
“See-Mon” is straight-up illiteracy. It’s almost as bad as “Bobba Fett”.
Was Tawaret a mini that was doubled up in the core pledge?
Yup, you apparently got two with each basic box in your pledge (re: Ankh's Tareret) but in a separate stretch goals box. I have no idea if you can use two simultaneously in a game but figured I'd ask.
warboss wrote: In response to the start of this campaign, I've been looking at youtube videos on CMON's previous offerings and I have a very important question... Is it pronounced SEE-mon or Come-on? Also, any Ankh backers who have an extra Taweret hippo guardian you want to sell to a sword and sorcery RPG fan?
“See-Mon” is straight-up illiteracy. It’s almost as bad as “Bobba Fett”.
Personally I have only ever heard/used "see-mon". The company came out and officially said that its pronounced "C'mon" (come-on) years ago, but then even their own designers continue to say "see-mon".
Its like when the CEO of Nvidia pronounced the '4080 ti' as "4080 TIE" when the rest of the world had been saying "x080 T.I." (tee-eye) for decades. Like, I get that that's how you want it pronounced, but I dont think this ones going to catch on.
I like one of the minis shown so far (the boy with the dog) as well as some of the art that likely will be minis... but, yeah, the pee goblin in full armor is a bit much. Is this an existing property for CMON?
warboss wrote: I like one of the minis shown so far (the boy with the dog) as well as some of the art that likely will be minis... but, yeah, the pee goblin in full armor is a bit much. Is this an existing property for CMON?
No. I follow Paul on FB and it's new (he showed off the cover art last fall) though with how much his art has influenced some games it's easy to think it's based off of Confrontation/Cadwellon or something similar.
The "pee pose" is a classic from some of those games.
Never been much of a Paul Bonner fan, but I do love Zombicide Black Plague and this is clearly an iteration of that game system. All the weapons follow BP layout, many of the skills shown on the character card are the same. It's not completely the same, characters have 11 hit points instead of 3 and there's event cards instead of a spawn deck, some kind of green potion resource
I would expect a crossover deck as an addon like Massive Darkness did. Could be interesting
Huh. Dead Keep seems to be a play on Zombicide (or looks like it takes a lot of its mechanices from Zcide?). I don't play much anymore, but loved that game, and really like his art style.
Oh man, all these cool projects in rapid succession...at another time I might have backed both Digenesis and The Dead Keep, but with ASOIAF Tactics just finishing I'm spent out for the next couple months.
I *might* be there because of the Paul Bonner aspect...
...maybe!
(still mad at CMON over the whole Dark Age thing)
I am also in this state of conflict. I have a Paul Bonner art book that really upped my painting for a while (until I went back to being a lazy sod) and would love to paint up some PB designed/inspired minis... but yeah, Dark Age.
I was thinking of one that looked like Lu Bu and totally forgot/overlooked the rest.
to buying things on sale from the constant bombardment from Amazon.
