Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first? Didn't even get anything in chapter approved. That's just insulting business practices to go "oh yeah we know your army is unfinished, but screw you, we're going to move on to campaigns now. Have fun with a broken index army that you've waited over a year for."
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
Danny slag wrote: . I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
So i guess Genesteeler cults didnt get a couple Specialist Detatchments in Vigilus? Nor are they one of the Primary Antagonists? I guess they also haven't shown off a bunch of new models over the past couple months either... I must have imagined all of that then?
Danny slag wrote: . I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
So i guess Genesteeler cults didnt get a couple Specialist Detatchments in Vigilus? Nor are they one of the Primary Antagonists? I guess they also haven't shown off a bunch of new models over the past couple months either... I must have imagined all of that then?
You mean the detachments they cannot, legally, give their armies the relics for outside of their generic starting relic because they lack the necessary stratagem all other codexes have the award extra relics?
Yeah man, that one.
Don't be obtuse on purpose, you know he was obviously writing that regarding who has access to codexes before expanding other content, not the content of vigilus.
Sure they're included in the fluff, but they can't use any of the rules in it. I was speaking of rules, not fluff.
Also you seem to be confused on the difference between things that are done and things that aren't. See, showing models isn't a codex, it isn't complete, it isn't actually anything. It's showing models. So how does showing some pictures of some models equal having our codex?
They should not have moved on to campaigns and crimson fist supplements prior to finishing the damn GSC codex.
I said you can't take anything beyond their starting relic (as in the single relic every army can take one of, for free), as they lack the necessary rules to take addition relics.
EX:
GSC player brings an anointed throng and broodcoven.
They can take only one relic.
Space marine player takes two specialists. Spends 1 CP to take two relics.
GSC are now, by virtue of not having a codex, unable to take full use of the rules from vigilus. It's great they're in vigilus, I won't be upset about that for a moment, but they clearly lack additional support that ll others do.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.
For units that aren't even released yet...
Tell me where i can buy abominations or aberrants other than 2nd hand tooth and claw boxes? oh and do I have rules for those? only if i print them out from photocopies on the internet.
The support for GSC is a joke, and the funniest part about fanboi defenders is if it was your army getting the shaft you'd be irritated, but this community often has the attitude of "aint my army so screw you."
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.
For units that aren't even released yet...
Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.
For units that aren't even released yet...
Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.
I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.
did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?
Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.
For units that aren't even released yet...
Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.
I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.
did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?
Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.
Actually edit the 3rd, I thought you meant that model didnt exist at all.
Just because you dont like the way to buy it doesnt mean its not there and that you cant get the rules. So, you can run it, everything in the Vigilus book, other than being able to take 2 Relics.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.
For units that aren't even released yet...
Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.
I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.
did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?
Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.
Never mind that one unit, ok.
Still have the other for the time being. And them being in there is future proofing
i get that, but wouldn't you be irritated if your army was gak on by just skipping it to move on to campaign stuff? If it was just left out in the cold because, fu? I've been waiting over a year to be able to play my army. It wasn't even one of those armies that's semi doable with index, it's flat out broken, and the first big FAQ completely broke it. I'm not talking dakka -not-best-unit-in-game so must broken, i'm talking legitimately broke the core rule for GSC and told us "your codex is almost here, so don't worry we know this broke your army but the codex will fix it." then months and months later your army is still not fixed?
Or when over half of your units can only be bought in large unwieldy box sets, abominant, abominations, broodlords, magus, primus.
GSO is getting the shaft and GW just kinda brushed it off like, "nah, we'd rather sell campaigns to current armies than finish yours."
Or releasing rules that literally don't work and can't work until the codex which has been teased for 6 freaking months without anything showing up.
But they arent brushing it off, they put stuff in the book, knowing that the Genesteelers were coming out soon. We've known most of the releases for a while and that GSC wouldnt be for a while.
I sympathize with your army being not great, I do, but to say you've gotten nothing is disingenuous. The army is there, you have 2 Specialist Detachments, we've seen alot that is on the way for your army.
You arent being skipped, its a precursor to your Codex.
Aberrants being stuck in a huge box sucks, but I wouldnt say that Broodlords, Magus and Primus are stuck in an unwieldy box set. They come in a box together you can buy seperately, and you can get a Second Broodlord by just buying the Tyranid one. Also ebay. A quick look showed me several of the Abominants for like 18 bucks.
If 6 months is too long for you, what do you think for all the SoB players who have waited actual years? Or Dark Eldar players in 5e? Necron Players also in 5e.
Or the legions of AoS players who are still waiting for even a hint of what battletomes might be to come!
Cultists are safe, they've know they are getting a codex for ages and whilst I can agree its odd that GW has been a bit slow in getting theirs out; it is coming and sounds like its very very soon!
KurtAngle2 wrote: Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
The 5th doesn't sound realistic to me. The 5th would mean a pre-order on the 12th and GW has already confirmed more Gloomspite Grots for the 12th.
They haven't announced it yet if you paid attention in the last few months, there they will finally do (also unveiling new GSC models)
And again they have 'announced' there's a codex coming. We've even seen new models for them. The only announcement left is for when it's going to be released which they usually do the week before it goes on pre-order. So if they make their announcement on the 5th, it will be released alongside a large Gloomspite Grots release. So again I find an announcement on the 5th (actually the 6th) that they're going on pre-order on the 12th unrealistic.
A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.
B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.
C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.
Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?
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A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.
B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.
C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.
Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?
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Indeed - excellent post.
No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.
After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.
A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.
B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.
C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.
Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?
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Indeed - excellent post.
No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.
After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.
A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.
B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.
C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.
Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?
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Indeed - excellent post.
No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.
After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.
It's been confirmed Inquisition/Assassins/Imperial Agents in general will NOT be getting a codex. GW doesn't think they're appropriate for largescale 40k.
Speaking as a gsc player, I’m not too annoyed at being put off for a while. We’ve gotten a lot more love outside our codex than most factions got with their codex. We got formations, which less than half of all factions have got, we got a great value box set with 2 sets of new sculpts and we know we’ve got at least 3 new kits on the way. In addition, we have access to some amazing allies which is more than a lot of Xenos players can say. Yes the delays on our codex are annoying, but we aren’t being mistreated or forgotten in any way
C4790M wrote: Speaking as a gsc player, I’m not too annoyed at being put off for a while. We’ve gotten a lot more love outside our codex than most factions got with their codex. We got formations, which less than half of all factions have got, we got a great value box set with 2 sets of new sculpts and we know we’ve got at least 3 new kits on the way. In addition, we have access to some amazing allies which is more than a lot of Xenos players can say. Yes the delays on our codex are annoying, but we aren’t being mistreated or forgotten in any way
Hear hear!
They've released Codexes at a breakneck pace by GW standards, and someone still had to be last. And that isn't even GSC.
The one thing I learned from my short career playing w40k, is that it is better to not wait and hype oneself up for upcoming rules. Doesn't matter when they come and what GW says about them, they can always end up bad in the end. Better have bad stuff you already paid for, then pay extra and still have a bad set of rules. I wish GSC player all the best stuff in their upcoming book, but imo it is safer to just not care much about new stuff.
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months.
No. They haven't. Stop making gak up.
Yes actually they have. Since before space wolves they've been saying that. That's how long GSC has been 'right around the corner.' Yet it's constantly just BS.
Like i've said countless times but folks seem pretty illiterate on dakka, i don't mind being the last codex, what pisses me off is when they released codecies non stop all year then went, fk it, let's take a few months off of codecies to release supplements and gak instead of dropping the last codex.
and to everyone saying it's not the last codex, you didn't see the sisters get rules in CA? they could have at least done the same for GSC to fix them since they broke the army a full year ago with CA 2017. And no your subfaction of a subfaction supplement isn't a main army codex. GSC is the only full army with no codex.
Hell, I bought a huge GSC army the moment they released back in 7th, and they've been almost unplayable since then, GW never even finished releasing the models. They started, then just moved on to 8th edition before even finishing the GSC model release, and over two years later i'm still waiting for my army to actually be supported with a full model release and rules that aren't broken.
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Carnikang wrote: I'm just hoping it's before February. That's all.
I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'
I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'
Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.
We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.
Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....
Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)
I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'
Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.
Just so we're clear:
You're far from the only faction without Start Collecting sets. Harlequin, this many years on, still don't have one. Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine on the AoS side, new releases that have done very well don't have one(though they're likely to get one soon since they got army sets for Xmas).
The Aberrants from DW: Overkill weren't going to see a solo release. They were on shared sprues with the Acolytes and Neophytes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull those contents as the "Start Collecting" for GSC.
We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.
Skitarii say "sup?". A more complete faction than Cult Mechanicus that only lacked an HQ yet got shoved into a combined book instead.
You've got an HQ coming that's synergized for Aberrants(and would likely show up in a SC with them if I'm going to be honest), new dirt bikes, another 3 HQ or Elite(we don't know yet) choices, and the quad bikes.
You've got a relatively complete faction compared to some that came before.
Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....
You've actually read Vigilus right?
The GSC weren't ready when they launched their uprising. Their uprising has been in reaction to the Orks and Chaos showing up.
Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)
I hope you don't ever get a Knight house. Ever. It's bad enough that you can do the whole <Brood Brothers> crap.
Danny slag wrote: you didn't see the sisters get rules in CA? they could have at least done the same for GSC to fix them since they broke the army a full year ago with CA 2017.
Careful what you wish for, SoBCA Betadex isn't the treatment I'm hoping my GSC get. But hey, as a SoB player I get to wait and see what new changes are coming again this year, right? SoB didn't get any Vigilus formations, GSC did. Heck, imagine the poor Necron players...
Its like the GSC didn't get a prime spot in the Kill Team box, followed by T&C, followed by Vigilus formations ALL in the buildup to their codex release. If they were being treated so horribly would we be seeing that bike squad on the horizon?
Just be glad you aren't required to buy your GSCultists at SoB prices while getting the Bretonnian treatment. Things are looking up for GSC.
I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'
Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.
Just so we're clear:
You're far from the only faction without Start Collecting sets. Harlequin, this many years on, still don't have one. Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine on the AoS side, new releases that have done very well don't have one(though they're likely to get one soon since they got army sets for Xmas).
The Aberrants from DW: Overkill weren't going to see a solo release. They were on shared sprues with the Acolytes and Neophytes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull those contents as the "Start Collecting" for GSC.
We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.
Skitarii say "sup?". A more complete faction than Cult Mechanicus that only lacked an HQ yet got shoved into a combined book instead.
You've got an HQ coming that's synergized for Aberrants(and would likely show up in a SC with them if I'm going to be honest), new dirt bikes, another 3 HQ or Elite(we don't know yet) choices, and the quad bikes.
You've got a relatively complete faction compared to some that came before.
Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....
You've actually read Vigilus right?
The GSC weren't ready when they launched their uprising. Their uprising has been in reaction to the Orks and Chaos showing up.
Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)
I hope you don't ever get a Knight house. Ever. It's bad enough that you can do the whole <Brood Brothers> crap.
Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?
Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...
Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”
Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?
Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...
Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”
Pretty sure tanks are under the "Any Regiment" and Tempestus is just a Regiment, with no limits on what can be in it.
Or no, I see what you mean in your argument, its kinda strange.
Not wanting to detract from the rapier edge of your wit, but you do realise the GSC have been around since at least 2nd edition, right? And I for one welcome our new baldy headed overlords.
The thing that baffles me is that GW keeps releasing genuinely cool peripheral stuff for GSC that could really add to a codex...without the actual codex. It's a legit complaint to have that GW probably got their production order wrong, because all the cool models and formations in the world won't do jack in practical terms if you're still stuck on an index.
I imagine it feels like being told that it's OK that "We haven't released the game-fixing patch yet, but we released more hats for your avatars". kthx, but fix the dang game.
Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?
Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...
Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but do you not actually get the issue here?
You have Detachments that you can run as Scions. You just got a Specialist Detachment as well that encourages one of those ways to play!
Skitarii, on the other hand:
a) Can't field a pure Skitarii Detachment by virtue of not having an HQ to lead it.
b) Had their special rule (Doctrina Imperatives) ganked from them to instead become a series of Stratagems with no potential to get back to where it was without a specific piece of wargear.
Now while yes, you do not have Fast Attacks or Heavy Supports? You, again, do not have the issue of lacking a critical component in building an army thanks to having an HQ choice.
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Phaeron Gukk wrote: The thing that baffles me is that GW keeps releasing genuinely cool peripheral stuff for GSC that could really add to a codex...without the actual codex. It's a legit complaint to have that GW probably got their production order wrong, because all the cool models and formations in the world won't do jack in practical terms if you're still stuck on an index.
I imagine it feels like being told that it's OK that "We haven't released the game-fixing patch yet, but we released more hats for your avatars". kthx, but fix the dang game.
You also have to take into consideration that there was a mention a few months back that they held the back book a bit to further refine it.
Skitarii, on the other hand:
a) Can't field a pure Skitarii Detachment by virtue of not having an HQ to lead it.
b) Had their special rule (Doctrina Imperatives) ganked from them to instead become a series of Stratagems with no potential to get back to where it was without a specific piece of wargear.
Now while yes, you do not have Fast Attacks or Heavy Supports? You, again, do not have the issue of lacking a critical component in building an army thanks to having an HQ choice.
You have HQ choices, they're called tech priests. Now shut up about this, no one cares. You're the only person in the world who fully bought GWsBS justification for selling you two incomplete codices instead of one complete one.
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first? Didn't even get anything in chapter approved. That's just insulting business practices to go "oh yeah we know your army is unfinished, but screw you, we're going to move on to campaigns now. Have fun with a broken index army that you've waited over a year for."
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
I am pretty sure something happened in the summer last year that through their entire schedule off. In regards to the GSC codex, wasn't it leaked that the team tried to destroy the codex because several rules writers didn't like the army, and they had to restart the whole thing over again?
Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?
Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...
Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”
Pretty sure tanks are under the "Any Regiment" and Tempestus is just a Regiment, with no limits on what can be in it.
Or no, I see what you mean in your argument, its kinda strange.
Nope. Militarum Tempestus can only take Scion Squads, Scion Command Squads, Tempestor Primes, and Taurox Primes. Thats One HQ, One Elite, One Troop, One transport choice. Technically Commissars are also Tempestus units as well, so add another HQ or two (if you care to differentiate between Commissar and Commissar Lords). No native Fast or Heavy choices to speak of. The best they can do outside these options are Auxiliary units (Ogryns/Ratlings/Crusaders/Priests) that wont break the battle forged requirement.
Togusa wrote: In regards to the GSC codex, wasn't it leaked that the team tried to destroy the codex because several rules writers didn't like the army, and they had to restart the whole thing over again?
That sounds like utter conspiracy theory nonsense.
ahhh....just say SQUATS....and stop your complaining.
There are far more squats in the galaxy than genestealers......EVEN if you factor in the lame tyranid eating up the hundreds of Homeworlds.
Why.
More Squats than Ratlings....that is in the most recent book if Irc. So if there are millions of ratlings...well....figure it out.
Many Squat worlds were located in the Imperium and thus under the protection of the vast Imperial forces....so they are still around.
Many Squats words were in the eye of terror....thus many chaos squats exist.
Squat Pirates are as successful as other pirates spread all thru the galaxy.
The GSC list used to be a sub army in the back of the Tyranid codex....and should have never left....Same with Harlequins.....should still be in the back of the Eldar codexs.
I am sure many other 'armies' need to fall into the back pages as well.
Thankfully allies are a thing, so such minifactions can exist. They're complete enough that they're playable on their own in a casual setting, and you can supplement them with or as allies for more competitive needs.
Whilst I wouldn't be holding my breath for the return of the Squats, the current ally system would make their return easier. They could be an allyable minifaction.
The rumour was that they were planned for a much earlier release in line with the Space Wolves codex but during play testing they found them to be far too overpowered so the delay was to better work the rules.
There are far more squats in the galaxy than genestealers......EVEN if you factor in the lame tyranid eating up the hundreds of Homeworlds.
Why.
More Squats than Ratlings....that is in the most recent book if Irc. So if there are millions of ratlings...well....figure it out.
Many Squat worlds were located in the Imperium and thus under the protection of the vast Imperial forces....so they are still around.
Many Squats words were in the eye of terror....thus many chaos squats exist.
Squat Pirates are as successful as other pirates spread all thru the galaxy.
The GSC list used to be a sub army in the back of the Tyranid codex....and should have never left....Same with Harlequins.....should still be in the back of the Eldar codexs.
I am sure many other 'armies' need to fall into the back pages as well.
Squats were gotten Rid of because Gw knew they messed up with them. Even their name was a mistake. The Demiurgs are a much more fitting name, they need to expand on them.
And on GSC, they'll get their dex. Some factions won't get squat, I don't see the issue.
To try and get this topic back on track, from the various GW posts and rumors, I got the impression the GSC codex was delayed for 2 reasons:
1. Playtesting an earlier build revealed them to be hilariously OP, delaying them past the tooth and claw box set.
2. The changes to several armies infiltrate strategies (AL, RG, etc) - 1 to hit being nerfed and deep strike only on turn 2+ meant another delay to avoid the army getting nuked.
Obviously they were going down a path with them, mechanics wise, and realized how that would make for an unfun play experience. They had to go back to square one (see how the FAQ have really shut down their early game tricks as evidence.)
Honestly, I’m glad that GW is taking its time. GSC and the game as a whole will be so much better for it!
There are far more squats in the galaxy than genestealers......EVEN if you factor in the lame tyranid eating up the hundreds of Homeworlds.
Why.
More Squats than Ratlings....that is in the most recent book if Irc. So if there are millions of ratlings...well....figure it out.
Many Squat worlds were located in the Imperium and thus under the protection of the vast Imperial forces....so they are still around.
Many Squats words were in the eye of terror....thus many chaos squats exist.
Squat Pirates are as successful as other pirates spread all thru the galaxy.
The GSC list used to be a sub army in the back of the Tyranid codex....and should have never left....Same with Harlequins.....should still be in the back of the Eldar codexs.
I am sure many other 'armies' need to fall into the back pages as well.
This is the most "get off my lawn" post I have seen on dakka in a long time. You give me such nostalgia sir.
Automatically Appended Next Post: TBH, I'm fine with a delayed GSC codex if we can just get something that doesn't play as a glorified one trick pony "just deep strike turn 1 and hope it cripples the opposing army". That rules deisgn is just garbage.
Non-ambush GSC need to be usable for them to be anything other than a stupid turn 1 charge gimmick.
Having my old 2nd ed Nid codex and some cult figures, I'm just happy they exist again. I'm hoping a pre-feb release because I have a league starting then and it'd be real nice not to have to hurriedly throw more crap together because points costs became more reasonable.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Oh come on. 4 new units! On top of the bikes we saw last month and the Genestealer Gunslinger in Kill Team (which will hopefully have 40k rules).
Convinced this is just trolling at this point. It's a very exciting time to be into GSCs.
BoomWolf wrote: Yea poor cults. Had to wait a bit for "only" 9 new units for thier codex.
Not that it's more than some codcies has at all or something...
What a great, "but what about" argument. Well how can you complain about your army being shafted and unplayable the majority of the time since it's been released when there are kids starving in africa.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Oh come on. 4 new units! On top of the bikes we saw last month and the Genestealer Gunslinger in Kill Team (which will hopefully have 40k rules).
Convinced this is just trolling at this point. It's a very exciting time to be into GSCs.
I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Have you read the Sisters Beta Dex which is not as good as our Index army and actually removes options and playstyles.
We are still waiting for our models - the swathe of GSC models coming out - fantastic characters, new unit types and even terrain looks brilliant.
We go Chapter tactics (half ot which are poor) a couple of strats and relics - nothing in the new campaign book unlike say GSC. It was only the in the latest Warhammer Community post about this years models that we the fething "Emperor Willing" for us to get plastic models at all in 2019 seems to have been dropped.
Sadly as the scedule is always cloged up with endless Marine releases its not going to get better but it does look like GSC are getting a really good release.
welcome to the index better then codex club. I think people mind the marines updates a little less, if the updates actually changed stuff more often. Most of the meta shifts seem to come as a suprise to GW or end up unintended. Primaris Hqs come out, great if your someone who likes to paint them. But what was the impact of Primaris Lts, Librarians or the Chaplain on the game? IMO close to zero, but those models did take up a month slot of w40k stuff coming out. It is maybe even a little sad. Someone plays marines, his army is bad, because his army isn't scouts+Hqs, if they get vocal about it, everyone has the counter argument of bi monthly updates and a bucket load of new minis. No one can say that SoB got a lot of attention from GW.
I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
The army has rules! Sure it's index, but they're there.
"Unplayably broken" what a joke! They're seeing play in the top level of tournaments.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Wow, you’re never going to be happy. I’m pretty sure this is the biggest 40 model release since primaris marines. I get if gw had released the codex a couple of months ago you’d be complaining that the codex doesn’t have datasheets for the new models
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Honestly getting your codex latter in an edition is usually a blessing. The first few out of the gate of any edition tend not to age well. Second it's not even two years, GW has released at an unprecedented pace. try to remember a few years ago when armies could wait a decade for a new book. Third, your getting a ton of new units.
Danny, GW will never release the codex, and these pictures of models are just to string you along. They are not gonna release these models either, they instead just throw them in the trash bin. You better sell all you models now and give up, it is the only sensible thing to do.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Honestly getting your codex latter in an edition is usually a blessing. The first few out of the gate of any edition tend not to age well. Second it's not even two years, GW has released at an unprecedented pace. try to remember a few years ago when armies could wait a decade for a new book. Third, your getting a ton of new units.
Well, characters. And new ones, that aren't the same ones we've been seeing since mid 2018.
Still, its blatantly obvious that its coming, and probably at the end of the month or beginning of next.
Nothing happened, all is proceeding as expected. Someone had to be at the end of get-every-codex-out cycle, and frankly it's a better place to be.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Honestly getting your codex latter in an edition is usually a blessing. The first few out of the gate of any edition tend not to age well. Second it's not even two years, GW has released at an unprecedented pace. try to remember a few years ago when armies could wait a decade for a new book. Third, your getting a ton of new units.
Well, characters. And new ones, that aren't the same ones we've been seeing since mid 2018.
Still, its blatantly obvious that its coming, and probably at the end of the month or beginning of next.
Nothing happened, all is proceeding as expected. Someone had to be at the end of get-every-codex-out cycle, and frankly it's a better place to be.
And while GSC are towards the end of the cycle, they're still not at the end of the cycle. For existing forces, that's probably SoB, unless we get an Imperial Agents book to tidy up the remaining datasheets from Index Imperium 2.
Watch the last few seconds of the teaser video and the dex, cards and dice are shown with 'early 2019' as a release date. Given there's a teaser video I'd expect imminent, within a few weeks certainly. Rumour is end of January.
Ha. So much for everyone saying that it was coming soon. They've now announced yet another campaign supplement to be released first. So now it's minimum end of February. Which it probably still won't be because it's been "weeks away" for 6 months. How does it feel to eat your words? See what I've been saying, they're constantly delaying and skipping it for gak that shouldn't be worked on until after every army is actually playable.
Happy about what, seeing the same gak we've been seeing since the middle of 2018 and being told yet again "eventually you're going to get your codex." I don't know if you know this, but seeing screenshots of units, again, like we have been for months isn't a codex, it's not even a pre-order of a codex.
Honestly getting your codex latter in an edition is usually a blessing. The first few out of the gate of any edition tend not to age well. Second it's not even two years, GW has released at an unprecedented pace. try to remember a few years ago when armies could wait a decade for a new book. Third, your getting a ton of new units.
Well, characters. And new ones, that aren't the same ones we've been seeing since mid 2018.
Still, its blatantly obvious that its coming, and probably at the end of the month or beginning of next.
Nothing happened, all is proceeding as expected. Someone had to be at the end of get-every-codex-out cycle, and frankly it's a better place to be.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Stux wrote: You don't know that the campaign books delayed the codex. It could even still come out in Jan, you're just jumping to conclusions.
For all we know the codex has been waiting on the new model kits to be ready
Warhammer World have their stock of the Codex ready to go, so it can't be too far off...
It's more likely that developing all the new model kits is what took time. Remembering that they have to fit into production slots (and GW is already overstressed on production and likely will be until their new factory is built). Plus we've no idea if some of those new models threw up huge sculpting/casting issues during production which might have caused further delays.
Furthermore with a large quota of new sculpts it looks like the GSC release will be two weeks long so that's quite a big chunk of release time to slot into GWs schedule plus you've the index right now plus - and this is the big plus - 8th edition isn't even that old!! Comparatively speaking you've got another 5 years to wait before you can "really" complain
Yes GSC has been delayed it would seem; or at least pulled a few short straws and wound up a lot later tahn many expected; yes its frustrating but you know its coming. You know you're getting multiple great new kits (way more than most other 40K armies got - way more!). All at the same time - new models new rules its a full on codex release akin to the ones of old we used to have.
Some armies got nothing in the way of new models; others got one or two - GSC is getting multiple and is really fleshing out to be more than just a few models bolted into an Imperial Guard force.
Take a few deep breaths and remain calm - there's no need to panic (unless you've lost your towel)
Danny slag wrote: People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
It's not like they've got one writer who decided to do campaign books instead of GSC.
I expect different writers (or teams of writers) have been working on different codexes and supplements in parallel. Once the folks working on stuff like Orks and Chapter Approved finished and needed a new project, they were out of Codexes to write so they started on supplements instead. For whatever reason, the GSC Codex was delayed. If those supplements are ready, they're going to release them. They're not going to hold onto books that are finished and could be selling just because a vocal minority of GSC players might get irritated.
As to why the Codex has been delayed, there are several reasons that it could be, and none of those reasons are a deliberate attempt to hurt the army or its players. Maybe the rules they started writing didn't gel with the ongoing rules changes, or they turned out to be massively over- or underpowered and so they went back to square one. Maybe they wanted to release the Codex and new models together, but the new models were delayed in sculpting, or finding production time to cast them up for release. Maybe they had a full production and release schedule in the run up to the end of 2018, but realised that model releases would be sparser in early 2019 - making it a better place to release the new GSC range and therefore scheduled their production accordingly. It's not malice. It's business.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
Danny slag wrote: When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
That's a bit false though. Sisters of Battle don't have codex yet either. They have an Index force and some sort of Beta version of a codex within the pages of a supplement that's hardly satisfiactory. In fact, accoding to most Sister player, their army was more functional with the Index rules. Now, if GW was to wait until all codexes are finished to start publishing supplements, and considering the fact that the Sisters won't get their new release until late 2019 or early 2020, what would they produce to keep the 40K brand active for an entire year? Plus, supplements comming before codexes is hardly something new. From my understanding, GSC weren't that bad in the Index, in fact they were fairly middle ground. They might have been hit by it, but some new rules for them appeared in the campaign book and Chapter Approved will affect your army list for about 2 months, maybe two months and a half at most. Considering the GSC release will probably be the biggest release of 8th edition thanks to its new models beside Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard.
I have a feeling the dex will be strong and really unusual, unlike any other. For what it's worth, I think the delay has been down to perfecting the unusual nature of the GSC and keeping them in the 'balance' of 8th ed. They told me when 8th came out that they were fleshing out all the dexes in outline before they went full on to write them, so the thing has been in the works a while. Plus that is a hugely significant new model release with lots of new stuff. It's more than almost any other faction has got and they make it clear if you ask them that the models lead the books, in other words they design studio throws out models and that dictates the releases. Looks like a really significant release all round.
And for what it's worth I have them too and I am waiting on the release keenly as well.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.
And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.
No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
Again, your book is probably a month at most away, and you again seem ignorant of the traditional codex cycle. This edition has been the fastest GW has ever updated books and is the first I've ever played were every book was updated in the same edition.
Your getting new model, even as an index army your no where near the bottom of the factions. Your also far from the last codex, considering that GW has let half a dozen FW armies languish with no sign of what they are going to do with them, and several other factions have gotten no update.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement. They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.
And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.
No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
I guess not the 5th
Ok let's see, i am not talking about Sisters. I am talking about the FW index armies, you know the ones like DKoK, Elysians, Renegades and Heretics, Eldar Corsairs.
let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard. DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws. Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party? Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.
So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.
Yes they could've done the same sister treatment in the CA, sure, but they could've done the same thing with all these lists above.
slave.entity wrote: The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.
It's a very exciting time to play Genestealer Cults
Not only that but the models are fairly nice to convert into anything else, like regular cultists or other fringe armies that got taken behind the shed.
Yeah the wait may have been long but if all the models are revealed now then in 2 weeks or so the book should be out. If a GSC beta codex was in CA people would be pissed that they had to buy the book twice or that X pages are invalidated
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.
And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.
No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.
Sisters got a BETA dex - so NOT a fething Codex - you know the plush hardback book YOU will be getting with a whole LOAD of models.
Oh yeah plus the rules GSC actually got in Fall of Viglis remnd me of what rules Sisters got then ? Go On
I’m Mad Doc Grotsnik. You may remember me from such threads as ‘Pondering The Life Cycle Of a Genestealer Cult’ or ‘I love effing love cooking, me’.
My first army, way back in the dim and distant past, was Genestealer Cults. Circa 1994. When they were stuffed in up the back of the 2nd Ed Tyranid Codex.
23 or so years I waited for GSC to return. And for 8th, I’ve barely been waiting at all. Another few weeks will hardly hurt.
GSC are getting a codex either this month or early next, they are getting quite a nice selection of new models as well. It sucks that it took so long, but it is easily worth the wait for all the goodies GSC are receiving.
Shinzra wrote: Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?
It was pretty viable before, but that was with dirtier tricks that got binned - new kits should be a boon, but it's hard to say yet. I'm betting the characters and that drill are going to have quite a few tricks of their own.
I’m Mad Doc Grotsnik. You may remember me from such threads as ‘Pondering The Life Cycle Of a Genestealer Cult’ or ‘I love effing love cooking, me’.
My first army, way back in the dim and distant past, was Genestealer Cults. Circa 1994. When they were stuffed in up the back of the 2nd Ed Tyranid Codex.
23 or so years I waited for GSC to return. And for 8th, I’ve barely been waiting at all. Another few weeks will hardly hurt.
I'm totally there with you M.D.G. Going through my bitz and stuff I just recently re-found my original, very poorly painted, GSC Magus and the body of my original, fat Patriarch (freaking arms are somewhere...). Of course I lost the Magus again...sneaky little gits those GSC...
let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard.
DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws.
Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party?
Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.
So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.
Yes this. You're getting your codex, soon, these FW armies might not ever get anything for the rest of 8th. With how slow FW has been, I don't see it as out of the realm of possiblity.
Shinzra wrote: Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?
It was pretty viable before, but that was with dirtier tricks that got binned - new kits should be a boon, but it's hard to say yet. I'm betting the characters and that drill are going to have quite a few tricks of their own.
They still see some tournament play as is, post Big FAQs! Damn sight more than any other Index force at this point, and probably some Codex armies. And they've placed highly as part of a Tyranid mixed force.
Impossible to say how viable they'll be post Codex of course, there's always the risk that they get totally broken! But given they're in such a decent spot already I'm pretty optimistic.
Shinzra wrote: Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?
They already are a viable good army, remember ITC isnt warhammer, dont always look at ITC top tier lists and think thats what 99% players do, its far from it.
I know some GSC players that go to non ITC tournaments and table other others and win nearly every game.
You should look at James (IDK his last name) Warhammer Heat 3, if i remember it correctly he was undefeated and in top 5, yes he had some Tyranids (Genestealers, 2 Neurothropes and some rippers i believe for a battalion for CP and bc Kraken Stealers are amazing).
Dakkadakka is SO much into ITC they dont understand there is a huge world moving along without ITC.
I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
The army has rules! Sure it's index, but they're there.
"Unplayably broken" what a joke! They're seeing play in the top level of tournaments.
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
try again
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Again, your book is probably a month at most away, and you again seem ignorant of the traditional codex cycle. This edition has been the fastest GW has ever updated books and is the first I've ever played were every book was updated in the same edition.
Your getting new model, even as an index army your no where near the bottom of the factions. Your also far from the last codex, considering that GW has let half a dozen FW armies languish with no sign of what they are going to do with them, and several other factions have gotten no update.
"Who cares if your codex is being shoved to the side to release repeated campaign books so you still can't play your broken army, you have pictures of models, PICTURES OF MODELS!"
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.
Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?
While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.
It's also an objectively wrong statement. They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.
Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.
And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.
No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.
Danny slag wrote: Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTFGW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?
How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?
It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now
Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."
Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it
I guess not the 5th
Ok let's see, i am not talking about Sisters. I am talking about the FW index armies, you know the ones like DKoK, Elysians, Renegades and Heretics, Eldar Corsairs.
let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard. DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws. Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party? Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.
So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.
Yes they could've done the same sister treatment in the CA, sure, but they could've done the same thing with all these lists above.
slave.entity wrote: The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.
It's a very exciting time to play Genestealer Cults
Not only that but the models are fairly nice to convert into anything else, like regular cultists or other fringe armies that got taken behind the shed.
LOL, Forge-world, you're seriously going to try to use forge-world to argue that GSC isn't the only one left? You really are having to stretch so hard to try and not be as wrong as you are.
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
wasn't it also a triple soup and before the deployment FAQ nerfed GSC tricks to deploy up table ? Because this way someone could say that BAs are fine, because at some time durning 8th ed, BA as a mono list were not totaly bad to play with.
"Who cares if your codex is being shoved to the side to release repeated campaign books so you still can't play your broken army, you have pictures of models, PICTURES OF MODELS!"
Well it could always be worse I gues. You could already have a codex, and it could be bad. Not saying that waiting years for rules is a good thing, and who knows maybe after GSC come out maybe GW will drop 9th ed.
I'll be excited when GW finishes the fething rules for an army i bought almost 2 years ago and has been unplayably broken for the vast majority of that time. Seriously, 2 years ago they started the army release then just shoved it to the side before finishing it. Sorry but i can't play 40k with screenshots of miniatures.
The army has rules! Sure it's index, but they're there.
"Unplayably broken" what a joke! They're seeing play in the top level of tournaments.
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments"
try again
No thanks. It's pretty clear you've got a massive irrational chip on your shoulder and there's no point trying to engage with that.
If you're this determined to be miserable about your purchase choices I'm going to leave you to it.
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.
Objectively wrong as allready said, and just because you don't like FW, (see here)
LOL, Forge-world, you're seriously going to try to use forge-world to argue that GSC isn't the only one left? You really are having to stretch so hard to try and not be as wrong as you are.
dosen't make this a stretch, infact this statement let's me belive that you are the toxic kind of WAAC player, the one that probably can't take a loss or lacks any kind of knowhow of the hobby and throws a tantrum any minute of the game that does not go in his favour:
1 army, 1 time, in almost 2 years is not "seeing play in top level of tournaments" try again
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
So let me suggest something to you, as allready has been sugessted to you by Insaniak, lay of the caffeine or go somewhere else. Infact why are you even on this forum and in this hobby with that behaviour, completely contradictory to your modus operandi, or is it the annonimity that grants you such balls ?
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
GK won an invitational tournament in spain, does it mean GK are not broken?
The simple fact that an Index army won said tournament, makes the army kinda not seem broken and unplayable but you'd rather "waaaaaahhhhhh" round than beeing rational for 5 minutes and actually realise that you should seriously check your attitude.
GK won an invitational tournament in spain, does it mean GK are not broken?
Yes and no, the win of the genestealers was more recent. Therefore they show that they still are meta relevant whilest GK just kinda disapeared.
If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
And the one single win that a GSO has, as someone else pointed out, GK have won at a tournament, does that mean GK aren't broken? And when I say broken for GSC I don't mean dakkadakka "broken," as in not the most egregiously undercoated and overpowered thing possible...I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore. Failure number 3 on your part.
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
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It you are a WAAC player then you will be playing Knights or Dark Eldar, at least until changes move another army to that lightspot.
It is true that the current army got hit hard with the new Match Play rules, but that is hardly "the majority of that time".
We are barely at year and half from the start of 8th edition and the Codex is practically at the corner, unlike the GK who are fethed until their next Codex which could be years, or the Tyranids that were fethed for 3 entire editions.
Could be up for pre-order next week but probably the one after that.
Keen to see some colour schemes and the 6 cult rules - if indeed they have six. I'm thinking twisted helix or inner wyrm but both could be purged to make way for other options.
Huh, the vitriol and hate in this thread is surprising.
There was a MASSIVE set of leaks a few months back about the GSC codex and they were surprisingly positive. Hinting at an expansive, and awesome codex, you all need to chill out.
Check spoiler for leakage (iirc this was on a 4chan thread)
Spoiler:
"Points are probably the worst thing for me to leak, so screenshots of the full page at once might be tricky. There have been a large number of points reductions across the board. The head guy for GSC (the one who worked on the initial team, and to my knowledge worked on DE and Nids) put a removed of maths behind it, and he playtests them outside of work."
"Metamorphs are cheaper. Holy feth they were overpriced before. Their weapons all have AP-1 now, or better (for rending claws), and they're cheaper than Genestealers (rightfully). Hand flamers also went down from 8 points, they're about half that price now."
The codex was tested alongside the ork codex, so the armies should be about even. Bad Moonz were painfully dominant in matchups.
A lot of GW design staff are actually rooting for GSC, as many have kill teams or small armies. There are a few who don't like them as much (scared of turn 1 deep strikes), but the guy who does the maths on the GSC team is widely regarded as a brilliant playtester. He's not paid enough in my opinion, but he doesn't care too much. It's slightly cheesy, but he usually says something like "actually having a balanced army is its own reward, no-one wants to play a gakky army"."
(In regards to goliath trucks and rockgrinders) "We realised that if a GSC player wants to get something to the front line quicker, then they'll just cult ambush stuff. If they want to protect their Neophytes, they just get more Neophytes (which is also cheaper). We've reduced points and added a few stratagems that might help."
> Sabotaged! (1CP) - When an enemy unit is destroyed and has an explosion effect, do not roll any dice - that effect automatically triggers.
> Confusion in the Ranks (3CP) - Choose an enemy unit in your opponent's army. Select one of its aura abilities - that ability cannot be used until the start of your next turn.
> Final Detonation (3CP): Use this stratagem at the start of the fourth battle round. Roll a D6 for each unit on the battlefield. On a 1-3, the unit being rolled for cannot advance this battle round. On a 4+, the unit being rolled for suffers a mortal wound and cannot advance this battle round.
> The Anointed one Rises: Use this stratagem if an Abominant is slain. At the end of the phase, that model is set up again, as close as possible to the previous position and more than 1" from enemy models, with D3 wounds remaining.
> Density Analysis Lenses (1CP) Ignore cover on chosen target.
> Inhuman Reflexes (2CP): A unit gets a 5++, or has its invulnerable save increased by 1.
> Industrial Brutality (1CP) - Double the attacks of all mining weapons in an acolyte squad (rock saw, rock drill or rock cutter only).
> Frenzied Hammering (2CP) - Select a unit of Aberrants - each model in that unit increases its attacks by D3 (roll once for the whole unit), but takes a -1 to hit rolls.
> Strength of Faith (1CP) - 5+ feel no pain, but only vs. mortal wounds in the psychic phase.
> Demolition Claw (1CP) - When a unit with demolition charges makes its attacks while embarked within a goliath truck/rockgrinder. That units demolition charges are not expended in the attack.
> Deliverance Broodsurge (1CP) - Allows a unit embarked on a Goliath Truck to disembark after it moves, though for each one that disembarks roll a D6 - for every roll of 6+ the unit takes a mortal wound.
> Numbers beyond counting (3CP) - Remove a unit from the board, next turn deploy it via Cult Ambush at its full strength.
> Breaking Formation (2CP) - You may deploy a unit with the VEHICLE keyword from your army with the GENESTEALER CULTS keyword as per the Cult Ambush rules.
Danny slag wrote: I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore.
To be fair, they did FAQ in exceptions for Cult Ambush regarding the errata regarding "no movement after arriving from reserves" (though the #6 result already said such) and the ability still does its job of keeping high threat squads safely tucked away off table where the opponent can't do anything about them until after they have deployed. The main effect of the nerf was that the ambush has to wait a turn before delivering its alpha strike, which in turn means the anvil part of the army needs to be able to lay the groundwork for the alpha turn 2. I think the nerf was in some regards counterbalanced by the meta shift that has occurred since the beginning of 8th. Originally everyone was loading up to deal with hundreds of GEQ bodies, but currently the main problem to beat is T8 Knights. Armor cracking is something we can do exceedingly well, attrition not so much.
As for Vigilus Defiant, I've been fairly happy with it actually. It has a lot of new fluff for GSC and the specialist detachments are both fairly useful.
What is this "put a remove of maths" mean? SOunds like no mathhammer at all. If you listen to the AoS team guy on their podcast about the BoC battle tome, he made it clear they are trying to balance points with math then going back after play testing and modifying (to keep it more consistent) and not "guessing base on play testing",.
I honestly figure they will make Ambush 1 of 2 things, either more or less amazing but very restrictive of what and how many will ambush, or everythig can but its not very good and risky.
But the important thing is "We realised that if a GSC player wants to get something to the front line quicker, then they'll just cult ambush stuff. If they want to protect their Neophytes, they just get more Neophytes (which is also cheaper). "
This goes for almost everything. All Transports are just shields/wounds with nothing to add to the army, its either cheap enough to spam and you dont care if it dies, or its extremely good (Venom and Wave Serpents for examples). If they want players to take Transports then need to be able to Fallback over infantry/swarms and still shoot/charge, etc.. also a bit cheaper, Rhinos should be 50pts base not 70.
That massive leak has been verified as junk, as well as the warlord traits table and limited brood brothers list that came out around that time.
Spikey Bits hhad an article last week talking about them, and literally the first comment was from the guy who photo-shopped the lists with WIP photos.
Amishprn86 wrote: What is this "put a remove of maths" mean? SOunds like no mathhammer at all. If you listen to the AoS team guy on their podcast about the BoC battle tome, he made it clear they are trying to balance points with math then going back after play testing and modifying (to keep it more consistent) and not "guessing base on play testing",.
"put a REMOVE on maths" was the direct quote.
I think he had someones name and had to remove it form his 4chan post.
That massive leak has been verified as junk, as well as the warlord traits table and limited brood brothers list that came out around that time.
Spikey Bits hhad an article last week talking about them, and literally the first comment was from the guy who photo-shopped the lists with WIP photos.
Oh really? That's a shame. There was some actual good game design and insights there.
But then again, the Ork codex leaks were true (despite someone saying the same thing). The same as the Necron leaks.
If it is any consolation, GSC came 21st in a 94 man event over the weekend here in the UK, in a tournament dominated mainly by T’au and Aeldari soup. The list in question had 600 points of Tyranids but the rest was GSC.
GSC also did extremely well at GW Heat 3.
GSC is getting played a hell of a lot more at events that people want to admit, and they are doing pretty well – more so than a good chunk of the armies with codices already released.
Danny slag wrote: If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
And the one single win that a GSO has, as someone else pointed out, GK have won at a tournament, does that mean GK aren't broken? And when I say broken for GSC I don't mean dakkadakka "broken," as in not the most egregiously undercoated and overpowered thing possible...I mean their army wide rule that the entire army is costed and built on literally was broken by the deep strike changes. Broken as in does not properly work anymore. Failure number 3 on your part.
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
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And no forgeworld armies don't count because they've never been considered standard armies and have never been fully supported. They're always years out of date, slapped together rules tacked onto other armies with no foundation codecies. Yet another failure to argue on your part.
First: From IA13: "This book contains a variety of diffrent units for use in standard games of warhammer 40000 and games played using the rules found in warhammer 40000 apocalypse...[....]" This thing is in all FW indexes / books, etc you and including to now, infact IA13 was 7th f.e. but you can only find the rules for free on the FW site for renegades before that, with the same bloody endorsement.
Now go to the FAQ site and look at the FAQ's (there side by side are FW books aswell as codexes) So this here is nothing more then an attempt at cheap goalpost moving.
Not only is it wrong but a blatant lie. Try again.
Now that we have established that FW books are as offical as any GW book, see above, we now take a look at your main problem, mainly that the changes in CA and Battlebrothers broke the cult ambush rule. As mentioned before, FAQ fixed it. ( I am not commenting on the fix itself, it is blatantly obvious that they should have done a better job, but they did it robably fast because the Codex is in the pipeline.)
Compare this situation with the situation any longstanding Eldar Corsair player is in, basically their army existed since 4th to 8th, were it isn't even able to fill a detachment beyond the patrol, thanks to battlebrothers, has lost literally everything and is really barely legaly playable. And this is were i put the crux of it, you complained about the fact sisters got a beta codex in CA, so what they were also not supported for a long time, your argument of them not beeing endorsed or having terrible rules is basically the same as with your obvius biased dislike of any FW list.
If I was a WAAC player I'd have a GSC army that was 90% astra militarum instead of pure GSC, my armies wouldn't all be built to adhere to fluff instead of spamming the most undercosted units. You keep failing over and over at making any sort of valid argument.
I'll admit that you might not be waac, dosen' change the fact that your attitude is terrible, however the statement is wrong since we all know the GSC index list that sees more play in tournaments than many a codex, and i allready mentioned why i don't count GK. So i am in this case sorry for the WAAC and i can understand your position and delusion however you could've formulated that way better instead of showing envy for the sister beta dex, (which is wierd)
As for this:
You can keep being wrong all you want, but at least try to put even slight effort into not being so painfully obviously so. <REMOVED> GSC has been broken and unfinished for 90% of it's time since release, and instead of finishing it they've fethed off to do campaign books, not once but twice now. So you don't care because you don't play GSC, doesn't mean you have to revel in other people being fethed over. If it was the army you'd spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours painting you'd be singing a different tune because you're just a myopic contrarian.
Thank you very much i play Rengades, i know how gak and non updated rules look like, since 5th edition. Infact i have seen the old dark eldar codex still used in it's year long gap between updates and i have seen a full sister metall army. Morale of the story, and i'd admit it freely, GW has no idea about planning or priorities and i fully agree that it is questionable that they did the Vigilus book before they even made the Codex, however your point about beeing the last is still wrong and that i mentioned.
Now for beeing a myopic contrarian, well i am myopic or shortsighted but contrarian i am not thank you very much for the fancy way of telling someone he is an asshat. Now chill and be happy about the awesome potential that the new dude will give you and your cult ambush, since the marker system is allready validated, this is something so unique for 40k that even i am considering looking into GSC for a small side project.
Stating that GSC aren't competitive as an index army is simply false. We have literal evidence that proves otherwise, both before and after the deep strike nerf. They are currently winning games. As in last month, they won matches and a tournament if I'm not mistaken.
Regardless I have some sympathy for this topic having waited what felt like an eternity for the Ork codex only to have 'Orktober' kick off with a load of unrelated kill team things.
GW absolutely should prioritise codex releases not because a faction struggles to compete but because playing an index army is boring as feth. Few stratagems, few practical competitive lists and very limited play styles do not make for an interesting play experience.
That being said GSC have had a bone thrown to them in Vigilus with at least one, maybe two(?) detachments that gave them more stratagems and they have a ton of awesome new models on the way so there's that.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
Well, they did it just to spite you and for exactly no other reason.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
Blooming heck. We don't know campaign books delayed the codex whatsoever! It is entirely possible that this was the earliest in their schedule they could get the new models completed. And if that's the case, I'm glad they waited. So many great new models!
about damn time. Perhaps they shouldn't have said it was 'right around the corner" in august of 2018, and then released 2 campaign books before finishing the codex and we wouldn't have had to wait until february. Pretty sure i never said "we're never getting a codex" i was peeved about them fething around with campaign books before giving every army actual rules.
It's been said before and I'll say it again - what on earth makes you think that the campaign books delayed the Codex? GW have multiple writers working on various codexes, supplements and whatever else at any one time. The campaign books have been released because they were finished.
Why haven't GSC been released yet? There's a whole host of possible reasons, and none of them revolve around GW intentionally trying to irritate GSC players. Everything from beta rule changes making them go back to the drawing board, to finding slots in their production schedule to get the new models ready. Perhaps they really were 'right around the corner' last summer, and then something happened to delay them. Gak happens.
Not very frequent at all. Some armies could go an entire edition without a codex update. I legit thought Dark Eldar were getting the ax it was so long in between Codexes.
CapRichard wrote: Does anybody remember how frequent were codex updates in previous editions?
Back then it would alternate with WHFB and you could expect a 40k codex every quarter - if you were lucky. 2-3 codexes a year, with some factions not seeing a codex for several years and often several editions.
The player base is spoilt these days with weekly releases and the insane speed that books are being churned out.
CapRichard wrote: Does anybody remember how frequent were codex updates in previous editions?
This so much. You want to complain your book isn't out after less than 2 years, remember that there used to be the possibility of a decade plus passing between a new book. Given how sloppy GW can be with rule writing, this newer pace is nice.
CapRichard wrote: Does anybody remember how frequent were codex updates in previous editions?
This so much. You want to complain your book isn't out after less than 2 years, remember that there used to be the possibility of a decade plus passing between a new book. Given how sloppy GW can be with rule writing, this newer pace is nice.
I am unsure but Necrons, DE and sisters are now /were all close to a decade really no?
Not only that but every half a year you didn't get a Codex was another block of time you worried that the end was coming for your faction. Unless you were playing Ultra Marines or Blood Angles or Imperial Guard. Basically unless you were playing one of the more central Imperial forces any Xenos player was at the worry of losing their army.
Orks and Eldar felt a little safer being such long term forces; Tyranids were pretty old too - but Necrons, Tau and the rest all felt the worry.
A Codex/Battletome wasn't just updated rules and new models; it was confirmatiion that your investment in money and time in your army was going to last another 5 years or more. It was hope that GW was going to give you a new model, something new to add.
Plus for those who had invested and started to ease off one army it was confidence in investing in a new one because you knew that your 10K of Tyranids was safe; that it hadn't been a waste.
Squatting an army doesn't just remove that army, it removes those players from the game and runs a high chance that they won't drift into another army but gives up and moves out of GW
Ok but... Not many armies get squatted. It's not particularly founded in anything. And no reason for a Xenos player to worry more than an Imperium player, not sure why you've brought that up. Inquisition is a faction that got relegated from viable army choice to a handful of unsynergistic options in an index.
Eldarsif wrote: Sisters got one codex in 2nd edition and were then relegated to a White Dwarf Codex. Then they got one in 6th or 7th that was digital only.
Last codex in 2nd edition, within a year of the end of the edition (IIRC). Came with models.
3rd edition codex was Witchhunters, so alongside =][= elements - and also giving the option for them to be used as an allied force for other Imperial armies (though with a restricted FOC). Came with some models, including modernised Immolator and the pipe-organ Exorcist.
WD 'dex was either late 5th or 6th, and was there to a, remove the =][=; and b, remove the Allies mechanic. Didn't bring anything new for the Sisters.
Digital was late 6th or early 7th, I think, and removed even more options from the SOB, somehow.
When it comes to codex releases, SOB get the unpleasant end of the stick, to date.
Eldarsif wrote: Sisters got one codex in 2nd edition and were then relegated to a White Dwarf Codex. Then they got one in 6th or 7th that was digital only.
Last codex in 2nd edition, within a year of the end of the edition (IIRC). Came with models.
3rd edition codex was Witchhunters, so alongside =][= elements - and also giving the option for them to be used as an allied force for other Imperial armies (though with a restricted FOC). Came with some models, including modernised Immolator and the pipe-organ Exorcist.
WD 'dex was either late 5th or 6th, and was there to a, remove the =][=; and b, remove the Allies mechanic. Didn't bring anything new for the Sisters.
Digital was late 6th or early 7th, I think, and removed even more options from the SOB, somehow.
When it comes to codex releases, SOB get the unpleasant end of the stick, to date.
Ah, forgot the Witchhunters one, but yes, the Sisters have not received a lot of love over the decades. Here is to new times and new sisters though!
Stux wrote: Ok but... Not many armies get squatted. It's not particularly founded in anything. And no reason for a Xenos player to worry more than an Imperium player, not sure why you've brought that up. Inquisition is a faction that got relegated from viable army choice to a handful of unsynergistic options in an index.
Squatting was rare but it was certainly common for armies to get parked for years and years, which was especially grim if you had a bad dex. SoB are the obvious ones but you could argue that with the vanilla move for CSM for so many years the traitor legions were sidelined, inquisition were left for ages without updated rules.
This time GW have missed their own deadlines. I was told by Cruddace that all the dexes would be out by the end of the last summer. They failed to meet that, but only be months. I can assume with GSC that there was some issue with the rules and they went back to redesign, add to it, etc. I hope they went back to add all of IG to the dex as renegade/cult troops, just for some variety.
I remember reading rumors that even by GW standards, GSC were to powerful, especially the cult ambush mechanics. They apparently trashed it and started over. This likely is the reason it got pushed back so long.
HoundsofDemos wrote: I remember reading rumors that even by GW standards, GSC were to powerful, especially the cult ambush mechanics. They apparently trashed it and started over. This likely is the reason it got pushed back so long.
Don't believe this, it was definitely the unnecessary expansions and Chapter Approved that pushed back the GSC codex. Definitely nothing to do with how the design team works, or the realities of making unique rules for each faction that have some semblance of balance, or unforeseen circumstances requiring the release to be pushed back and those months filled with non-codexes. Not at all. GW just wanted to tease me - specifically me - with their comments of 'around the corner' and preview images. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
Cheexsta wrote: . Not at all. GW just wanted to tease me - specifically me - with their comments of 'around the corner' and preview images. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
Well they did tease GK players with CA being some grand fix to the whole army, and it fixed next to nothing. So it is not like it is impossible to imagine GW making a bland codex with bad rules. I don't think the GSC codex is going to end up that way though. The whole blip thing is going to add a ton of time wasted to the game. I can already see the arguments if the first dude is within 1" of the blip, if the blip wasn't moved etc. Also no idea how it is going to work for people who only have downloaded their books.
Orks had a 7e codex (June 2014). Their previous codex was 4e (January 2008)
Cheexsta wrote: . Not at all. GW just wanted to tease me - specifically me - with their comments of 'around the corner' and preview images. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
Well they did tease GK players with CA being some grand fix to the whole army, and it fixed next to nothing. So it is not like it is impossible to imagine GW making a bland codex with bad rules. I don't think the GSC codex is going to end up that way though. The whole blip thing is going to add a ton of time wasted to the game. I can already see the arguments if the first dude is within 1" of the blip, if the blip wasn't moved etc. Also no idea how it is going to work for people who only have downloaded their books.
Orks had a 7e codex (June 2014). Their previous codex was 4e (January 2008)
Cheexsta wrote: . Not at all. GW just wanted to tease me - specifically me - with their comments of 'around the corner' and preview images. Couldn't possibly be anything else.
Well they did tease GK players with CA being some grand fix to the whole army, and it fixed next to nothing. So it is not like it is impossible to imagine GW making a bland codex with bad rules. I don't think the GSC codex is going to end up that way though. The whole blip thing is going to add a ton of time wasted to the game. I can already see the arguments if the first dude is within 1" of the blip, if the blip wasn't moved etc. Also no idea how it is going to work for people who only have downloaded their books.
Not quite the point I was trying to make, but I do agree that GK was unfortunate. Still fun and cool for narrative games, though.
I don't think the GSC blip counters thing is going to waste any time, in practice. The time you waste setting up the models in the first turn is made up for by the time you save during the deployment stage of the game. I don't see any arguments about what's within 1" of the blip.
As for the digital codex users, it wouldn't surprise me if GW offered blip counters as a free download on their new Downloads page. And it's only a matter of time until third parties get in on the action, making resin or 3D printed blips.
and teen-style angst.
