This week will end with a bang heard around the galaxy, as we blow the lid off something huge for the 41st Millennium. There’s so much Warhammer 40,000 goodness packed into this preview that we couldn’t fit anything else in…

Catch it on Saturday, May 23rd, live on Twitch from 1:45 pm UK time. As always, we’ll round up the news as it breaks in a massive article in case you’re not able to catch it live. We’ll have more info for you as we get closer, but let’s just say you might want to clear your calendar and arrange an online watch party with your friends for this one.

This could go into the Silent King thread, but since it's not specifically about him I opted to give us a new Preview thread.

New Tyranids right - all 40K means new Tyranids right - it does I'm sure!!! Biggest thing would be new Tyranid plastics such as an awesome plastic pyrovore!!! Come on GW!!




Ok yeah so hopefully some Necron goodness and some new fancy things too. We've still got those primaris bikes and such we saw previewed AGES ago in a bit of a blurry sneak peak picture that got out into the wild. So I figure we'll see them as well.

is a preview of only things for 40k?

It only feels like ages ago. That supposed 'leak'(which still looks like a bad photoshop job given a heavy dose of blurring to cover it up) was the 27th-30th of December...a time some of us Infinity fans know well for hoaxes from the Spanish community.


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zamerion wrote:
is a preview of only things for 40k?

Correct. It lends a bit of credence to the idea of this being the announcement for a new starter set and an 8.5 edition.

Glad it's 40k only. Hoping for some good Necron stuff. Dream would be the appearance of EC in some form but that seems a bit silly given all the Necron hype

As ever I'm going to expect nothing good so I'm either not disappointed or pleasantly surprised.

Weren't the last three previews billed as the biggest thing ever?

While I had no problem with that, lots of people did when it was a split affair. Hopefully they aren't setting people hopes too high. I have plenty of stuff already, so as always I will welcome anything new and cool but won't really mind if it doesn't live up to the hype since it will save my wallet and backlog.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Weren't the last three previews billed as the biggest thing ever?

While I had no problem with that, lots of people did when it was a split affair. Hopefully they aren't setting people hopes too high. I have plenty of stuff already, so as always I will welcome anything new and cool but won't really mind if it doesn't live up to the hype since it will save my wallet and backlog.

I don't believe so. It was only the Adepticon reveal, which should have shown off everything, that was marketed as the biggest reveal ever.

So, you've technically got to combine the past reveals into one, which gave us:
*A new 30k Primarch model
*Mega gargants
*The full reveal of the Lumineth lords
*Two new Warcry bands
*A new Blood bowl team
*The final expansion for Blackstone Fortress
*Illuminor Syskhah(?)'s new model, plus a new Inquisitor
*A Harlequin character and the SoB psyker (though the former is supposedly for Imperium, not Harlequin )
*A couple new Forgeworld models, including Saul Tarvitz
*Plus a few other things

I get that it's not the biggest reveal ever. But they could go all out on Saturday. We've had teases of the Silent King, Fulgrim, 9th edition, etc. So there's potential that the hype could be worth it

It’s something to drool over on a lockdown long weekend. Hope it’s proper juicy,

As mentioned, it was the pre-lockdown AdeptiCon preview which was billed as the biggest ever (and part of that was that it was due to have the largest audience in attendance of any GW preview). This weekend's preview may have originally been planned for AdeptiCon or it's just as likely it was planned for WarhammerFest.

9th ed confirmed.

Seriously though, it's probably just a new Primaris Lieutenant or something.

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

Seriously though, it's probably just a new Primaris Lieutenant or something.

Chaos Primaris Lieutenant...

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

It should confirm it one way or the other...

 Nostromodamus wrote:

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

Seriously though, it's probably just a new Primaris Lieutenant or something.

Chaos Primaris Lieutenant...

Codex Chaos Primaris Lieutenants

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

Seriously though, it's probably just a new Primaris Lieutenant or something.

Nonono. They're going to do a Microsoft and release 10th edition.

PLASTIC THUNDERHAWK!!!

8.5 edition with new starter set of Necrons vs space marines with new primaris grav bikes.

Thats my bet.

Its the big bang. We have rise of Necrons, Silent King returning, end of Psychic Awakening so this will herald the start of the next chapter. Ynnari making a bigger splash (Yvraine promised to help Ephrael Stern with Necron threat).
And of course we'll probably see the next Primaris wave previewed.

New Necron units or at least new models.
New Titans for Titanicus would be great though.

 Blooddragon1981 wrote:
New Necron units or at least new models.
New Titans for Titanicus would be great though.

Well that would be Adeptus Titanicus, not 40k, so I probably wouldn’t get your hopes up for that.

 Galas wrote:
8.5 edition with new starter set of Necrons vs space marines with new primaris grav bikes.*

Thats my bet.

* Grav bikes to never be released outside the starter, just like the Suppressors and Gravis Captain so if you want those models it's either eBay or buy a bunch of other models you don't need at all.

I seriously don't want to have to pick up a whole starter box just to get my hands on Primaris Jetbikes, I already own more Intercessors and Phobos marines than I will ever have a use for.

If you expect new kits to come right away in solo rather than being combo box exclusive for a while you are in for a dissapointment.

I'd love for the DW to get the Marine half of a starter box. Imagine if the Kill Team Cassius set got hit with the Primaris bat

 Ghaz wrote:

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

It should confirm it one way or the other...

That isn't the way confirmation works. If its an announcement of the thing, that does confirm it. But unless they specifically say 'it isn't happening ever,' it doesn't confirm it 'the other way'

The Newman wrote:

 Galas wrote:
8.5 edition with new starter set of Necrons vs space marines with new primaris grav bikes.*

Thats my bet.

* Grav bikes to never be released outside the starter, just like the Suppressors and Gravis Captain so if you want those models it's either eBay or buy a bunch of other models you don't need at all.

I seriously don't want to have to pick up a whole starter box just to get my hands on Primaris Jetbikes, I already own more Intercessors and Phobos marines than I will ever have a use for.

Extra Special rules for Primaris Jetbikes Included. Game breaking writing is an additional bonus.

Silent King Fiction - A hero of the Imperium will manage to create a stalemate type situation. Silent King model is thicc tho.

Does this mean we can have our new fw books now? Please?

 Nostromodamus wrote:

The Newman wrote:
9th ed confirmed.

Seriously though, it's probably just a new Primaris Lieutenant or something.

Chaos Primaris Lieutenant...

Not. Funny.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'd love for the DW to get the Marine half of a starter box. Imagine if the Kill Team Cassius set got hit with the Primaris bat

I'd really rather not - I've just eaten.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'd love for the DW to get the Marine half of a starter box. Imagine if the Kill Team Cassius set got hit with the Primaris bat

That would make the most sense of all Chapters, but I am afraid DW is too complicated for beginners with their differently colored right shoulder pads and loads of equipment options.

why would death watch make any more or less sense then any other chapter. the DW are hardly the only chapter to have fought Necrons.

heck last time we got a big Marines vs Necrons incident it was Ultramarines vs Necrons.

I'd prefer to see a vanilla chapter so that GW doesn't give a buncha sculpted shoulderpads etc that are a pain to convert. that said of the big name chapters, I think Blood Angels are due something. I'm operating from memory here but since 6th edition started (which is arbitary I agree) we've seen the following sets

2 Ultramarines (Dark Imperium and it's varients and one of the vigilius sets)
2 Space Wolves
2 Death Watch
1 Dark Angels (Dark Vengence)
1 Blood Angels. (they got something vs 'nids yeah?)

So yeah both blood angels and dark angels are proably due something.

That and they usually make the starter set generic. Sure, they may be painted as ultramarines, but they don't have any actually chapter specific iconography.

GaroRobe wrote:
That and they usually make the starter set generic. Sure, they may be painted as ultramarines, but they don't have any actually chapter specific iconography.

yeah dark vengence was a notable exception for that. to be honest I'd not mind seeing another vanilla marines chapter given the status of edition poster boys. although I think Ultramarines mostly have that because they're the easiest of the vanilla armies to paint.

I mean beyond the UMs you have

Raven Guard: Black and White (not easy)
Iron Hands: Black (not easy)
Imperial Fists: Yellow (not easy)
Salamanders: Green (reasonbly easy although salamander flesh is a bit.. odd)
White Scars: White (not easy)
Black Templars: black (yet again not easy)

so yeah ultramarines are the poster boy vanilla faction because they're noob friendly

I forgot about Dark Vengenace, but that's a good point that Marines aren't always vanilla. Honestly, I wouldn't mind some Primaris that are intended to be DW from the start. Like if they released some Vanguard, but with shoulder pads sculpted with DW in mind. (Since DW can't have Vanguard at the moment. I suspect its because the shoulder pads aren't DW compatible, although there are probably other reasons)

I hope for new Xenos stuff.. namely Orks, Nids and GeneCults.
Orks/nids vs SoB/New plastic Guardsmen would be awesome.
Although I’d wager, necrons would be in the new starter.

I wonder how good of an idea it would be for GW to redo basic infantry kits for races other than marines.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:


I wonder how good of an idea it would be for GW to redo basic infantry kits for races other than marines.

Fire warriors got an update a release or two back.

Necron warriors probably need it the most from basic troops. That sprue is barren.

Orks, eldar guardians, and guard could do with the fire warrior treatment. Keep the aesthetic changes minimal, just add new options and make the sprues more efficient.

Swarms are pretty bad as well. Rippers and scarab could use new kits of their own like nurglings got.

Rippers have never had a plastic kit of their own, they are spare parts on other tyranid sprues. Be nice if they gave them a kit to add skyslashers at an affordable price (FW ones look neat but are very expensive for what is a swarm unit)

Guardians could do with an update they are ancient; Necron Warriors coudl do with an update to proper plastic central tubes for the weapons instead of the clear-see-through ones (so that they finally match the necrons on the ark).

Termagaunts could do with updates to not have split heads though otherwise the kit is fine - more dynamix poses on hormagaunts would be neat; but otherwise its again quite fine. Back a few editions Termagaunts did have a few more weapons like spike rifles which could appear again with a new kit.

Hmm... so, 9th Ed or bust I guess?

Hopefully us 40K Kill Team players have not been forgotten. It would be good if they had an expansion that focused on additional wargear options to enhance our teams, as well as more units.

Wish-listing as an Eldar-fanboy, it would be nice to have plastic kits of either Warlocks, Storm Guardians, Rangers or even Asurmen. An alternative Death Jester would be welcome, as would Ynnari in Kill Team.

For 40K itself, I hope they only do a revised 8th edition without the need to replace the current codex books. 40K could also do with its own slim and affordable rule book, like the AoS Gaming Book, with updated rules. It seems a bit early for 9th edition..

I agree it doesn't "have" to be 9th edition and a 9th edition doesn't have to be a total reworking of the rules. A simple clean-up rulebook would suit fine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... so, 9th Ed or bust I guess?

That's where I'd be. I don't GW anymore, but I'm always happy to look at a new edition with an open mind and be persuaded. I suspect the likelihood is that even if it's 9th it'll be an iteration of 8th, which means it won't be all that compelling to me, but we'll see.

9th edition when it comes will be a "clean up of 8th" it'll look at 8th note what worked, what didn't. likely offically plug all the holes the FAQ did and thats it, our old codices will likely remain valid etc.

We still have Fulgrim coming. All the Psychic Awakening teasers have mostly come to fruition. Ghaz, Fabius Bile, probably some necron ones, etc. We've had a ton of heavy Fulgrim hints. Ooh, what if the starter set isn't Necron, but Emperor's children? We had Death Guard last edition, so they could do something similar, leading up to a Fulgrim + EC release. Although I doubt they'd do a EC v Necron box, so who knows.

GaroRobe wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Weren't the last three previews billed as the biggest thing ever?

While I had no problem with that, lots of people did when it was a split affair. Hopefully they aren't setting people hopes too high. I have plenty of stuff already, so as always I will welcome anything new and cool but won't really mind if it doesn't live up to the hype since it will save my wallet and backlog.

I don't believe so. It was only the Adepticon reveal, which should have shown off everything, that was marketed as the biggest reveal ever.

So, you've technically got to combine the past reveals into one, which gave us:
*A new 30k Primarch model
*Mega gargants
*The full reveal of the Lumineth lords
*Two new Warcry bands
*A new Blood bowl team
*The final expansion for Blackstone Fortress
*Illuminor Syskhah(?)'s new model, plus a new Inquisitor
*A Harlequin character and the SoB psyker (though the former is supposedly for Imperium, not Harlequin )
*A couple new Forgeworld models, including Saul Tarvitz
*Plus a few other things

I get that it's not the biggest reveal ever. But they could go all out on Saturday. We've had teases of the Silent King, Fulgrim, 9th edition, etc. So there's potential that the hype could be worth it

When was Fulgrim teased?

I honestly don't know what to think. I mean we are clearly getting SOME necron stuff but how much and what, if anything beyond the Silent King, is hard to say.

Leading with necrons going into a big reveal might make you think it is going to be quite necron heavy with other stuff thrown in. Especially since, as yet, they haven't thrown out any other teaser videos.

However, I simply can't see GW using a Xenos race as something THAT big and it certainly wouldn;t be the first time that GW have set something up to be THAT big only for it to be 'here is 1 new model' (albeit that the new model may be super cool!)

 Togusa wrote:


When was Fulgrim teased?

At the end of each psychic awakening, there are "Echoes of Awakening." Little fluff blurbs that hint at the future psychic awakening stories. Fulgrim gets brought up a lot. A multi armed snake leading the Emperor's Children, another about how he is destroying planets as part of a great masterpiece, and one about the EC just bypassing a planet without attacking.

GaroRobe wrote:

 Togusa wrote:


When was Fulgrim teased?

At the end of each psychic awakening, there are "Echoes of Awakening." Little fluff blurbs that hint at the future psychic awakening stories. Fulgrim gets brought up a lot. A multi armed snake leading the Emperor's Children, another about how he is destroying planets as part of a great masterpiece, and one about the EC just bypassing a planet without attacking.

It even goes back to Gathering Storm. I believe Fracture of Biel-Tan has him identified near Armageddon.

Maybe it's a fluff change?

Like the Emperor finally dies, leading to a big hunt for the Star Child (Hands up, ancient fluff readers who know that one!) … the "Awakening" is from a new god of humanity being created.

Or the return/introduction of Malal for Chaos as a fifth Chaos god, thanks to all of the rifts.

The return of, say, Sanguinus would be big, but not, you know, SHATTERING ALL THE THINGS big.

A dead Emperor, and the echo of that creating regional psychic beacons where you no longer have the one on Terra, could be a big enough thing to shake the pillars of 40K.

But it's pretty much a thng that you can only do ONCE, so...

(Similarly: Bringing back one of the two lost chapters. C'mon, Daughters of Athena!)

Wakshaani wrote:
Maybe it's a fluff change?

Like the Emperor finally dies, leading to a big hunt for the Star Child (Hands up, ancient fluff readers who know that one!) … the "Awakening" is from a new god of humanity being created.

Or the return/introduction of Malal for Chaos as a fifth Chaos god, thanks to all of the rifts.

The return of, say, Sanguinus would be big, but not, you know, SHATTERING ALL THE THINGS big.

A dead Emperor, and the echo of that creating regional psychic beacons where you no longer have the one on Terra, could be a big enough thing to shake the pillars of 40K.

But it's pretty much a thng that you can only do ONCE, so...

(Similarly: Bringing back one of the two lost chapters. C'mon, Daughters of Athena!)

none of that will happen

tneva82 wrote:
If you expect new kits to come right away in solo rather than being combo box exclusive for a while you are in for a dissapointment.

Yeah, but the Gravis Captain has been a starter-box exclusive for a long time.

Everyone here is way overestimating what we're going to see next weekend.

We're going to see full reveals for all the Psychic Awakening books and accompanying models they've already teased and probably give a release schedule for all of them. It would make zero sense for them to show off a new edition when they have 3 announced but unreleased supplements for the current edition.

Of course I'm sure that won't stop people from calling it a let down or disappointment when this doesn't turn out to be a new edition.

You could be right. But people have been saying psychic awakening was leading up to 9th edition for a long time. And 9th was rumored to drop during the Summer. The whole covid situation messed up the release schedule, but we'd probably be close to the last psychic awakening books by now, if Pariah is the last one.

Quite.

The minipocalypse has buggered the release schedule, there's likely hard and soft releases that GW have scheduled and some of the soft releases might have had to be somewhat sacrificed to keep the hard dates on track.

That's assuming, of course, that an edition change will render the books useless, which didn't happen for 3 successive edition changes, so no need to assume it will now.

If we get a 9th edition it will most likely be just like going from 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th with current codexes working just fine until a new one is released, just like the 3.5 csm codex worked perfectly fine in 4th until the 4th edition codex was released towards the end of 4th which worked just fine (and by fine I mean not nearly as good as 3.5 but it still functioned) in 5th itself. So PA books will be perfectly fine in 9th if it actually happens.

I don't think anyone believes that 9th will be a major overhaul of the rules ala 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, or 7th to 8th. It'll be a refresh like 4th/5th/6th/7th.

But it means a new starter kit, sending a lot of standard units OOP (better get 'em now, Primaris and DG players!) as I doubt they'll come back.

...or they'll be released as Start Collecting sets, seeing as how Death Guard don't have one and there's no vanilla Primaris one.

And it's literally what they did with the Realmgate Wars set.

It's going to be the biggest, most incredible set of previews to ever grace the earth! Trust me! Bigger than EVERYTHING you've see in your life, COMBINED!!!
Well, the two previous reveals each had a new plastic SoB model so I expect a third one .

Heres my prediction:

9th Edition confirmed but not called 9th edition.

New Primarisised Land speeder and bikes plus all the primaris characters on bikes and landspeeders, and new primaris lieutenant.

Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Forge world updated books announced now that PA is winding down

My prediction new plastic Guard that aren’t terrible!



..........just kidding. Necrons will get one character and maybe Flayed ones in plastic. Marines will get nine new kits.

 Kanluwen wrote:
...or they'll be released as Start Collecting sets, seeing as how Death Guard don't have one and there's no vanilla Primaris one.

And it's literally what they did with the Realmgate Wars set.

Well GW did have the presence of mind not to max'n'match the Primaris and DG stuff on the same sprues, so maybe they will.

 Argive wrote:
Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Deathmarks are already combined with Immortals.

I could very much see a new Warrior, Destroyer/HDestroyer and Monolith kits just to get the plastic rods out of the production pipeline.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Maybe it's a fluff change?

Like the Emperor finally dies, leading to a big hunt for the Star Child (Hands up, ancient fluff readers who know that one!) … the "Awakening" is from a new god of humanity being created.

Or the return/introduction of Malal for Chaos as a fifth Chaos god, thanks to all of the rifts.

The return of, say, Sanguinus would be big, but not, you know, SHATTERING ALL THE THINGS big.

A dead Emperor, and the echo of that creating regional psychic beacons where you no longer have the one on Terra, could be a big enough thing to shake the pillars of 40K.

But it's pretty much a thng that you can only do ONCE, so...

(Similarly: Bringing back one of the two lost chapters. C'mon, Daughters of Athena!)

none of that will happen

Probably! But hey, they want to promise the biggest thing ever, might as well shoot for the Moon, you know?

 Argive wrote:
Heres my prediction:

9th Edition confirmed but not called 9th edition.

New Primarisised Land speeder and bikes plus all the primaris characters on bikes and landspeeders, and new primaris lieutenant.

Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Forge world updated books announced now that PA is winding down

No more primaris lieutenants!

As for your last prediction, I hope they're real books and not just more boring indexes. An equivalent to IA 13 would be great, hopefully with some new additions. The Glaive would be nice.

One day they'll remember that the World Eaters exist. One day.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember that the World Eaters exist. One day.

Didn't they get a strat or something in whichever Psychic Wossname book?


Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows... unless you're using a gun. Then he cares quite a bit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, though, I get it. I keep dancing around the idea of a WE army, but want to make it more than 100% idiot axe murderers on foot. And I worry that if their own codex happens they'll just rip out the ranged units they can take now to do a DG or TS style book.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows... unless you're using a gun. Then he cares quite a bit.

He's not overly keen on you using psychic abilities to make the blood flow, either.

For someone who isn't meant to care, he seems to care quite a bit!

It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

SamusDrake wrote:

For 40K itself, I hope they only do a revised 8th edition without the need to replace the current codex books. 40K could also do with its own slim and affordable rule book, like the AoS Gaming Book, with updated rules. It seems a bit early for 9th edition..

Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row.


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 Argive wrote:

Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Why would deathmarks be in 2nd kit? They already have plastic models.

If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

GW doesn't "balance", they just shuffle their weight from one end of the seesaw to the other. They had the start of a balanced game back with the indexes at the start of 8th, but rather than attempt to balance the game, they jumped off the deep end because that was what got them sales. They haven't looked back since.

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

Since Rogue Trader.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think anyone believes that 9th will be a major overhaul of the rules ala 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, or 7th to 8th. It'll be a refresh like 4th/5th/6th/7th.

But it means a new starter kit, sending a lot of standard units OOP (better get 'em now, Primaris and DG players!) as I doubt they'll come back.

I've had my fill of those sprues via Warhammer Conquest.

Do I buy a new Starter set or bank on Warhammer Conquest V2 in a couple of years?

tneva82 wrote:Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row..

there are some factions that will get a new Codex twice each edition, others will get one once a while
but new Edition means updated rules which leads to a new Codex

Dudeface wrote:

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

the rules in the core book were never really the big balancing problem
changing the core book but keep the factions rules won't make the balancing better but just change it
and the new balancing will last until GW change the design goal of the new edition which means all faction released after a certain point will go in a different direction and killing of the balance that was there before

happend since 3rd Edition, usually with the excuse that new factions are written with a new edition in mind but old factions (or the core rules) won't get an update to bring them on the same level

Wakshaani wrote:
Maybe it's a fluff change?

Like the Emperor finally dies, leading to a big hunt for the Star Child (Hands up, ancient fluff readers who know that one!) … the "Awakening" is from a new god of humanity being created.

Or the return/introduction of Malal for Chaos as a fifth Chaos god, thanks to all of the rifts.

The return of, say, Sanguinus would be big, but not, you know, SHATTERING ALL THE THINGS big.

A dead Emperor, and the echo of that creating regional psychic beacons where you no longer have the one on Terra, could be a big enough thing to shake the pillars of 40K.

But it's pretty much a thng that you can only do ONCE, so...

(Similarly: Bringing back one of the two lost chapters. C'mon, Daughters of Athena!)

No. You know why this all isn't happening with no chance at all? Because the PA fluff is set during the Indomitus Crusade. That 200 year period between the opening of the rift and "present day" 8th. So, we know that won't happen as everything from PA has already happened.

 Stormonu wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

How many editions have you been through? New one means new codexes means new balance “problems”. It’s the GW way

Since Rogue Trader.

I'd have thought that the myth of GW balance would be something you've seen before then? It'll never be balanced. Never has, never will. Kinda how they operate

 Stormonu wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If it's 9E, that should be the final push to get me off this merry-go-round.

I'll always enjoy space and military models, but frankly I'm getting tired of GW not being able to settle on a ruleset and actually seek to balance it rather than cast everything aside for the new shiny.

Surely a revised rule book with refined and tweaked rules as rumoured is an obvious step to balancing it? Obviously for them it is a cash cow move but it can't be argued that the game doesn't need a refreshed rules book now.

GW doesn't "balance", they just shuffle their weight from one end of the seesaw to the other. They had the start of a balanced game back with the indexes at the start of 8th, but rather than attempt to balance the game, they jumped off the deep end because that was what got them sales. They haven't looked back since.

Index-hammer was bland as anything though, it might have been more balanced (being the only time all factions have rules written together), but it lacked flavour imo. What you're asking for is essentially no more books to be released and just stack reams and reams of errata and faqs onto what's there, which simply isn't in their best interests and most of the fan base are already fed up with the volume of documentation they have to carry around.

Top complaints seem to be rubbish terrain rules (needs new rules to fix) and some complaints of how CP generation is run (requires new rules to fix).

Having been in this since 3rd ed, I'm used to the fact things will swing as they try new stuff, but beyond the marine debacle the games in a decent spot atm from a casual perspective.

I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

Even if it's Catachans, which are probably amongst the least popular of the common guard regiments, if they are sculpted to modern standards like the new "Predator" Hero, I could see Guard players losing their collective minds. It would also be really nice to see a boxed starter not include Space Marines.....though for that reason I think it won't happen.

First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

And I seem to recall asking for your source on that. if it is necrons vs guard it strikes me as.... unlikely it'll be a 9th edition box launch. we've never seen a starter set sans marines

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

The vast majority, I would wager.

 ImAGeek wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

The vast majority, I would wager.

Indeed. the idea that all 40k players are ruthless compeitive tourny players has always baffled me. there isn't a single game,event etc in the world where thats true, why assume it's true of 40k?

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:Why you would equal edition change with new codexes? Codexes have been discarded at once twice in 40k history. And never 2 edition in a row..

there are some factions that will get a new Codex twice each edition, others will get one once a while
but new Edition means updated rules which leads to a new Codex

New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

It won't be instant removal of old codexes though. Depending on what codex you use you could be year or two or three in waiting. Same as without new edition.

If they don't release new edition they release just new codexes period. Either way sooner or later you either stop using newest rules or you keep buying new codexes to replace your old ones. Simple as that.


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John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

Your guess is fairly easy to say false though. No marines.

I'm gonna guess a new game, Battle fleet gothic remastered XD

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

And why you think it won't be 9th ed? 8th ed is about old enough it's time for edition change anyway with gw's recent time lines. And drop that 8.5 stupidity. It's 9th ed. Just because codexes don't get invalidated doesn't mean it's not full edition jump unless you claim we are now in 4th edition. Wanna try to make that claim? After calling new edition 8.5? To be 8.5 you would need to have had 8th edition but if it needs codex invalidation we are at 4th ed...actually 3rd since there weren't codexes in RT.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

Well, from that lot we've got the Lord of Skulls via GW, and the Brass Scorpion through FW (as far as I know it is still in production).

Knorne Daemons also have the Skull Cannon via GW, which you could make an argument for replicating the Cannon of Khorne, though for my money it seems a touch anaemic in that regard.

I'm not sure on their relative sizes in Epic, but you could probably multi-kit the Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Blood Reaper and Tower of Skulls as Daemon Engines - probably as two kits? - and then bring back the Cannon of Khorne and Doom Blaster as artillery choices when World Eaters eventually get a book? Even though the WE are Berserker Central, they're going to need some HS choices, so why not bring back these older concepts with a modern kit design?

tneva82 wrote:
New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

if they do a 180° turn on the current rules, I might give them the chance and buy in again, but for now there is a clear "no".

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

 kodos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New codexes will come anyway new edition or not. If you think you can avoid GW pressing "print me money" button new codex is just by having new codex out you are gravely mistaken.

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

if they do a 180° turn on the current rules, I might give them the chance and buy in again, but for now there is a clear "no".

tneva82 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
First of all who actually plays casually. Second no way in hell are they dropping news of a new edition unless this is “8.5 lol you got the beta rules to shut you up about 7th” Edition which it isn’t. Here’s to hoping what they actually put out are Gorgeous models though. Maybe they are overhauling a Xenos faction. Maybe it’s more primaricrap. Maybe it’s vanilla marines. Maybe it’s the secret krabby paddy formula... anyone got that by the way?

'As hard as it might be for tournament try hards to imagine not everybody is interested in pretending 40k is some esport competive game. 40k and competive don't even fit into it. You cannot play 40k on really competively.

I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

There is a lot of weird stuff in here, starting with:

"and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy"

Epic - isn't an existing supported game and you can't buy the models
Apocalypse - not everyone has a table bigger than 6x4 or 4k armies to run it with
Regards necromunda or kill team - good games but sometimes you do want to use more minis as the fluff doesn't only exist at squad level
Horus heresy is prohibitively expensive to start from scratch for most people with a FW army

I don't attend tournaments, I have regular opponents who aren't a-holes, we have reasonably equal understanding of rules, we amicably resolve and queries or issues that come up. Be a human, you shouldn't need a TO to monitor and admin every game you play just by applying basic human interaction.

 kodos wrote:


I think tournaments are the only place were 40k is playable at all
not because it is super competitive or some kind of e-sport, but there are clear rules from the TO, everyone who goes there knows about them and it is clear for everyone what is going to happen

and tournaments are they only reason to play 40k at all
if I want to see nice 40k armies, Epic or Apocalypse are the better rules to do it
if I just care about the fluff and not the army size there is Kill Team and Necromunda
model builder and painter, there is the Horus Heresy

all of them are better than 40k, and they only reason not to get into those is because 40k is the only game were you get the major tournaments with your existing collection

if I just want to have a fun game with my friends, there are better games and rules out there you caqn proxy with your models

but of course if you only care about e-sports like Wargames, there are better ones and at the moment there is no reason to start with 40k at all as there is nothing the game is really good at.

Honestly it just sounds like you don't like 40K at all. Neither as a casual game nor a as competitive game, so I don't get why you feel you need to shoe-horn it into being competitive only. Clear rules don't require a TO, in fact most TO packages only make minor modifications to the rules if any; everything else is still the core game rules that you agree to play with your opponent as normal.
If you don't like the rules and feel that the HH models are better and feel that other games do everything better why are you worried about the newest news for 40K? It just sounds like you're tormenting yourself with a game you've moved on from.

BrianDavion wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

And I seem to recall asking for your source on that. if it is necrons vs guard it strikes me as.... unlikely it'll be a 9th edition box launch. we've never seen a starter set sans marines

And this kids is why we had(still have? Doesn't look like it's been updated in a while.) the Dakka rumour tracker. Want to make a bold claim like the above? Then put your money where your mouth is and you can see how accurate you truly are and if you can be trusted in the future.

 Grimtuff wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

John D Law wrote:
I said it already in the Pariah thread. It’s Necrons vs Astra Militarum( most likely Catachans) Silent King will be separate box set on special command barge (think Vect) big box set will have new Necron “pariah” like Unit.

And I seem to recall asking for your source on that. if it is necrons vs guard it strikes me as.... unlikely it'll be a 9th edition box launch. we've never seen a starter set sans marines

And this kids is why we had(still have? Doesn't look like it's been updated in a while.) the Dakka rumour tracker. Want to make a bold claim like the above? Then put your money where your mouth is and you can see how accurate you truly are and if you can be trusted in the future.

That's not been updated since 2018

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm not sure on their relative sizes in Epic, but you could probably multi-kit the Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Blood Reaper and Tower of Skulls as Daemon Engines - probably as two kits? - and then bring back the Cannon of Khorne and Doom Blaster as artillery choices when World Eaters eventually get a book? Even though the WE are Berserker Central, they're going to need some HS choices, so why not bring back these older concepts with a modern kit design?

I think that's a great idea. Plus it'd give us Daemon Engines that are more Daemon Engine and less Daemon Engine, if you get my meaning. I mean, I think the Forge Fiend looks cool, but I prefer my Daemon Engines to look like machines that have been warped by the possession of a Daemon, not a metallic daemonic creature.

Of course, and going almost completely against what I just said, I am kinda hoping that a full World Eater Codex would see this thing enter the 41st Millennium, just like Thousand Sons gave us its be-tentacled counterpart.

I'd have no issues with the WE getting a big slaughter-y gribbly added to the mix.

Do you think they'd go so far as to add any of the Mortal units from the Blades of Knorne faction from AOS as a 'roided-up Cultist unit? Similar idea to the Tzaangors.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/18/psychic-awakening-gone-dark/

astra vs necrons? :O

zamerion wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/18/psychic-awakening-gone-dark/

astra vs necrons? :O

Don't read too much into these short stories. They are fiction setting up a book (in this case, "Pariah" which was slated to be the book after "War of the Spider") that is yet to come. We had Astra Militarum feature in something like 5 or 6 stories at this point, with a good chunk of it long before they ever got the book they featured in("The Greater Good").

I know, but it was curious that this story just came out after the rumor

Amazing how good they make flayed ones sound in the short stories!

 Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

Well, from that lot we've got the Lord of Skulls via GW, and the Brass Scorpion through FW (as far as I know it is still in production).

Knorne Daemons also have the Skull Cannon via GW, which you could make an argument for replicating the Cannon of Khorne, though for my money it seems a touch anaemic in that regard.

I'm not sure on their relative sizes in Epic, but you could probably multi-kit the Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Blood Reaper and Tower of Skulls as Daemon Engines - probably as two kits? - and then bring back the Cannon of Khorne and Doom Blaster as artillery choices when World Eaters eventually get a book? Even though the WE are Berserker Central, they're going to need some HS choices, so why not bring back these older concepts with a modern kit design?

Can we also bring back bolter armed 'Zerkers? They existed in 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5 at least.

Hmm...a retconning of Flayed Ones perhaps? No more Flayer Virus, they're now basically a freshly converted Necron?

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmm...a retconning of Flayed Ones perhaps? No more Flayer Virus, they're now basically a freshly converted Necron?

The Flayed One was mimicking the person whose skin it was wearing. It wasn't a 'converted' human or anything.

Starfarer wrote:Everyone here is way overestimating what we're going to see next weekend.

We're going to see full reveals for all the Psychic Awakening books and accompanying models they've already teased and probably give a release schedule for all of them. It would make zero sense for them to show off a new edition when they have 3 announced but unreleased supplements for the current edition.

Of course I'm sure that won't stop people from calling it a let down or disappointment when this doesn't turn out to be a new edition.

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

Argive wrote:

Necron Finecast update multi kits (deathmarks & flayed ones combo kit ?)

Deathmarks are already in a dual kit with Immortals, and that's a solid kit. I could see them redoing the Warrior sprue in a dual kit with Flayed Ones, though.

Regardless of whether we get 8.5 or 9.0 or not, this is the right time to change the starter. Dark Imperium has now been selling for 3 years and has probably saturated the miniature market so much that it is probably not selling enough for GW anymore.

So I predict we'll be getting a new starter(not necessarily an edition change) and the old starter will form the start collecting boxes for standard Primaris Marines(and most likely will replace the old marine SC) and Death Guard. Basically the same thing they did in Age of Sigmar moving to Soul Wars.

To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

I would laugh so god damn hard if the new edition dropped and invalidated the 9,234 space marine supplements we got a few months ago and all the PA books. That would be the most GW move ever.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It didn't used to be that way.

I mean look at all these gun-encrusted engines of war he used to have.

Guess it's another flanderisation in 40K. Maybe not to the same degree as the Woofs, but still.

Well, from that lot we've got the Lord of Skulls via GW, and the Brass Scorpion through FW (as far as I know it is still in production).

Knorne Daemons also have the Skull Cannon via GW, which you could make an argument for replicating the Cannon of Khorne, though for my money it seems a touch anaemic in that regard.

I'm not sure on their relative sizes in Epic, but you could probably multi-kit the Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Blood Reaper and Tower of Skulls as Daemon Engines - probably as two kits? - and then bring back the Cannon of Khorne and Doom Blaster as artillery choices when World Eaters eventually get a book? Even though the WE are Berserker Central, they're going to need some HS choices, so why not bring back these older concepts with a modern kit design?

Can we also bring back bolter armed 'Zerkers? They existed in 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5 at least.

I'm 50/50 on 'Zerkers with bolters - maybe as a WE unit distinct from the Khorne Berzerker unit itself? I think I'd need to hear a solid unit concept for them, rather than just mixing bolters into a CC unit.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

I would laugh so god damn hard if the new edition dropped and invalidated the 9,234 space marine supplements we got a few months ago and all the PA books. That would be the most GW move ever.

It won't. If we get a new edition it'll be like going from 6th to 7th. They won't invalidate loyalist rules that quick. They save that kind of thing for npc factions.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

I would laugh so god damn hard if the new edition dropped and invalidated the 9,234 space marine supplements we got a few months ago and all the PA books. That would be the most GW move ever.

Well if there is a big necron release for 9th, either a new codex comes with them and invalidates PA: Pariah out the gates or Necrons aren't going to be getting a new codex which isn't something people seem to be considering.

 EnTyme wrote:

Starfarer wrote:Everyone here is way overestimating what we're going to see next weekend.

We're going to see full reveals for all the Psychic Awakening books and accompanying models they've already teased and probably give a release schedule for all of them. It would make zero sense for them to show off a new edition when they have 3 announced but unreleased supplements for the current edition.

Of course I'm sure that won't stop people from calling it a let down or disappointment when this doesn't turn out to be a new edition.

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

Think most people meen 8.5 rules and another starter box set when they say new ed, not another rework of the entire game.

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Didn't they offer vouchers for anyone who bought a codex or 7E rulebook after a certain point when 8E was announced? I seem to remember that.

Not that it matter much as any new edition this year this will be more like 4th>5th or 5th>6th, and won't require a reprint of everything.

I think we will see a Necron VS anything but Marines as last PA Box Set and 9th Starter Set will be coming later with new Primaris

Dudeface wrote:
Epic - isn't an existing supported game and you can't buy the models
Apocalypse - not everyone has a table bigger than 6x4 or 4k armies to run it with
Regards necromunda or kill team - good games but sometimes you do want to use more minis as the fluff doesn't only exist at squad level
Horus heresy is prohibitively expensive to start from scratch for most people with a FW army

I don't attend tournaments, I have regular opponents who aren't a-holes, we have reasonably equal understanding of rules, we amicably resolve and queries or issues that come up. Be a human, you shouldn't need a TO to monitor and admin every game you play just by applying basic human interaction

You can buy models for Epic and no support is not a big problem
Apocalype works better for 2k armies than 40k does
HH is expensive, but it is more of a collection hobby and if you just want to play with the rules, a lot of groups are fine if you use the 40k stuff

Overread wrote:
Honestly it just sounds like you don't like 40K at all. Neither as a casual game nor a as competitive game, so I don't get why you feel you need to shoe-horn it into being competitive only. Clear rules don't require a TO, in fact most TO packages only make minor modifications to the rules if any; everything else is still the core game rules that you agree to play with your opponent as normal.
If you don't like the rules and feel that the HH models are better and feel that other games do everything better why are you worried about the newest news for 40K? It just sounds like you're tormenting yourself with a game you've moved on from.

no, I don't like the current situation of 40k at all, as it is the same mess as we had in 7th and GW promised to have understood the problem and is trying to solve it.

the worse the rules are and the more often they are updated, the worse is it for casual pick up games
and going full house rules with a fixed group, the main advantage that 40k has over every other game (GW or not GW) is gone as this are easy to find pick up games and tournaments

why I am worried about is the simple thing that I have a lot of stuff and liked playing the game, and I had hopes that it will get better after 7th but it looks like GW learned nothing from it but I still hope that the new Edition might change things aqgain

Dudeface wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

I would laugh so god damn hard if the new edition dropped and invalidated the 9,234 space marine supplements we got a few months ago and all the PA books. That would be the most GW move ever.

Well if there is a big necron release for 9th, either a new codex comes with them and invalidates PA: Pariah out the gates or Necrons aren't going to be getting a new codex which isn't something people seem to be considering.

Or Pariah basically is a new Necrons codex. Do we have any factions confirmed for Pariah besides Necrons and three characters? If not that would leave a lot of pages for Necrons.

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmm...a retconning of Flayed Ones perhaps? No more Flayer Virus, they're now basically a freshly converted Necron?

Looks like retconning a retcon. Old flayed ones were sneaky sneaks who wore their victims skin and mimicked their prey to ambush their enemy. Then 5th edition made them khorne berzerkers.

Maybe the Silent King returning will be used to hand wave the dumb stuff away like the flayer and destroyer cult stuff.

Gaen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

Starfarer wrote:Everyone here is way overestimating what we're going to see next weekend.

We're going to see full reveals for all the Psychic Awakening books and accompanying models they've already teased and probably give a release schedule for all of them. It would make zero sense for them to show off a new edition when they have 3 announced but unreleased supplements for the current edition.

Of course I'm sure that won't stop people from calling it a let down or disappointment when this doesn't turn out to be a new edition.

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

Think most people meen 8.5 rules and another starter box set when they say new ed, not another rework of the entire game.

All customers would see is "new edition". It doesn't matter how little would changes. Sales for the campaign books would take a big hit.

*edit* fixed the formatting of my post

That's assuming that they would be obsolete. Mont'ka, Kau'yon, the book with 1k Sons and Space Wolves, etc last edition of 40k all released alongside New Codices...and they made it clear that if you bought the campaign books and had the previous Codex? You're getting the same content.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

macluvin wrote:
To be fair they did switch to 8th months after pushing the 7.5 chaos space marine Dex

Yeah, that one still burns.

I would laugh so god damn hard if the new edition dropped and invalidated the 9,234 space marine supplements we got a few months ago and all the PA books. That would be the most GW move ever.

Well if there is a big necron release for 9th, either a new codex comes with them and invalidates PA: Pariah out the gates or Necrons aren't going to be getting a new codex which isn't something people seem to be considering.

Or Pariah basically is a new Necrons codex. Do we have any factions confirmed for Pariah besides Necrons and three characters? If not that would leave a lot of pages for Necrons.

That means no new units unless a box set is released simultaneously which means it likely wouldn't be for 9th. It's becoming more of a mystery to me what they've got up their sleeves tbh.

June or July is when new editions have traditionally dropped. "Soul War", for example, dropped with fairly light warning but was announced at Adepticon or so.

"Pariah" would have been out in June or end of May if COVID19 hadn't happened. We would have had "War of the Spider" in April/early May, as they finished the initial articles for "Engine War" the last week of March(which is when they announced their shutdowns). Mostly everything we have gotten since for "Engine War" has been filler.

If they released something like Corvus Belli's Army 6 app and moved toward digital for 9th then arguably they wouldn't obsolete the last series of books. The books would still have fluff and still have hard copies of the rules you could choose to carry around. They could have their cake and eat it too and probably have very little outrage.

I would love for the correct and proper way to build a list not be contained in FAQs, errata and update books. I would like an app that just doesn't allow you to do what you can't do.

Also given Covid and the lessons there in, moving to digital would allow them to sell stuff without needing a store front.

Why do you need an app to tell you what you can't do? Additionally, Army is a joke. It's a cluttered mess and has been an issue whenever new Sectorials and the like are dropped.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do you need an app to tell you what you can't do? Additionally, Army is a joke. It's a cluttered mess and has been an issue whenever new Sectorials and the like are dropped.

Lol if army 6 is a mess than I can't imagine what 8th edition is considering if Battlescribe didn't update I wouldn't even have a clue how to build an army anymore.

But in the real world army 6 isn't a cluttered mess and is a much better alternative to needing to find veteran players to walk you through what books you need (because you need more than the core rule book and the codex now), what FAQs you have to download and carry and what 3rd party tournament rules your meta also is using.

Army 6 has everything you need to play and links to the rules or where to find the rules. Updates for free, doesn't cost anything to buy and keeps everyone everywhere on the same page. So what if with all of that maybe (mayyyybe) a week where a new sectorial is a little wonky.

If you can't figure out how to 'build an army', I don't know what to tell you.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you can't figure out how to 'build an army', I don't know what to tell you.

So in other words, good point and you don't have a arguement against it so pretend superiority?

Because in no way is needing the core rules, the chaos space marine codex, vigilus ablaze, CA18, CA19, PA: Faith and Fury, CSM FAQ/Errata better than "I downloaded Army 6".

I haven't bought CA19 so I can't build an army as my points are obsolete.

Oooooh! Tantalising!

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you can't figure out how to 'build an army', I don't know what to tell you.

So in other words, good point and you don't have a arguement against it so pretend superiority?

Because in no way is needing the core rules, the chaos space marine codex, vigilus ablaze, CA18, CA19, PA: Faith and Fury, CSM FAQ/Errata better than "I downloaded Army 6".

I haven't bought CA19 so I can't build an army as my points are obsolete.

The rulebook tells you how to build an army via detachments, that hasn't changed at all. The cp values and the number of detachments recommended for tournaments are in faqs but that's it.

Wonder what else lies in the void between the Stars?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what else lies in the void between the Stars?

Our redeemers, our gods, truer than the silent, long dead Emperor. The children of the void.

Hey all, if we can keep the conversation on the May23rd Preview, this thread will be more productive. If people want to discuss the problems with army building and sources, lets move that to another thread, thanks!

Hm, that quote rings no bells for me so it's probably new, but it's also annoyingly vague. It could refer to so many things in the lore, or nothing at all. After all, all it's really saying is a version of that old Q line: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

I.e. Space is jolly dangerous, chaps, so bring some big guns.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Hm, that quote rings no bells for me so it's probably new, but it's also annoyingly vague. It could refer to so many things in the lore, or nothing at all. After all, all it's really saying is a version of that old Q line: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

I.e. Space is jolly dangerous, chaps, so bring some big guns.

Reads like a Lorgar quote, deliverance makes me think of Corax, the big bad in the void is usually nids & the silent king is between stars. Also a void between stars is usually empty by definition.

Could "the faithless" be a reference to Renegades and Heretics? It is a possibility we could see the new fw books. (Yes I know it's unlikely but an old heretic can dream).

I suppose it could, but the tone of the quote is wrong for that, I'd say. It seems to be saying that the faithless are threatened or doomed by whatever it is between the stars.

New Avatar of Khaine? The Emperor? What is this?

I'm calling Slannesh (Emps Children) vs Khaine (as in Avatar of)

 Togusa wrote:
New Avatar of Khaine? The Emperor? What is this?

That chaos dude has no backpack so I'd wager its a pair of sigmar duders ironically and not related.

 Togusa wrote:
New Avatar of Khaine? The Emperor? What is this?

Curiously, that’s Sigmar about to wallop Archaon.

 Togusa wrote:
New Avatar of Khaine? The Emperor? What is this?

It will be the Silent King, a box set with Necrons vs Space Marines.

"The weak and the faithless" could mean those who don't turn to chaos/worship the chaos gods or equally could refer to those who don't worship the Emperor. Without knowing who the quote is from, the 'weak and faithless' could be anyone.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what else lies in the void between the Stars?

Lots and lots of Tyranids...

I’m dimly hopeful we’ll find there was something chasing the Nids all along!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m dimly hopeful we’ll find there was something chasing the Nids all along!

I don't really want nesting dolls of 'bigger fish' trivializing threats to the galaxy.
The nids are silly enough as is.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder what else lies in the void between the Stars?

The "space is big" quote from Hitchhikers guide does come to mind Its something that a lot of SF with FTL seems to forget, but there is a heck of a lot of "space" between star systems. The Nids are an extragalactic threat, but the Necrons could have millions of world engines between Sol and Alpha Centauri without anyone ever knowing.

That’s true!

Someone suggested that instead of 8.5 its a Vigilus style book with Silent King insted of Abbadon and a Shadow Spear like box set with new Necrons and Outrider Primaris.

Gaen wrote:
Someone suggested that instead of 8.5 its a Vigilus style book with Silent King insted of Abbadon and a Shadow Spear like box set with new Necrons and Outrider Primaris.

Well that would definitely bring a collective groan from people who don't play either Necrons or loyalists.

Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

it could also be a sisters vs the silent king box tie tie into Piaraha, much in the same vein as prophecy of the wolf and blood of the pheonix.

BrianDavion wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

it could also be a sisters vs the silent king box tie tie into Piaraha, much in the same vein as prophecy of the wolf and blood of the pheonix.

The disappointment vein?

BrianDavion wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

it could also be a sisters vs the silent king box tie tie into Piaraha, much in the same vein as prophecy of the wolf and blood of the pheonix.

None of those would be considered a big deal that would have been teased back at Adepticon.

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

Once the details are known, 5 seconds later the box contents will be split up and selling/sold on places like eBay. One would have no trouble selling whatever bits they don't want.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

I thought it would be Tneva that was going to say this, but I might be misremembering. Is it you that says this? That this is an ok, nay good, nay great thing and how dare I question it?
Anyway, the answer is yes, the fact that in order to buy Ghazghkul I have to either wait (more than one minute, and up to an infinite number of years, we don't know which), or buy Ghazghkul + Ragnar + 10 Primaris +50 orks, if I want to own just Ghazghkul, is indeed irritating to me.

JWBS wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

I thought it would be Tneva that was going to say this, but I might be misremembering. Is it you that says this? That this is an ok, nay good, nay great thing and how dare I question it?
Anyway, the answer is yes, the fact that in order to buy Ghazghkul I have to either wait (more than one minute, and up to an infinite number of years, we don't know which), or buy Ghazghkul + Ragnar + 10 Primaris +50 orks, if I want to own just Ghazghkul, is indeed irritating to me.

Well just find someone selling Ghaz because they just wanted Ragnar. I'm sure its going for what GW will sell him for as a solo model which will be probably $115-$130 US.

Edit: people on ebay are selling him for wayyyyy less than what GW is going to. You should get on that before his price skyrockets.

@ everyone ho said - yeah I meant flayed ones & <insert unit>

Not a necron player and for some reason assumed deathmarks were finecast like flayed ones because you dont see them often. My bad yo..

I think we might see silent king on some sort of new barge thing/centre piece IK power level model.

Plus some big melee monstrous infantry it seems.

Some you-tubers have been rumouring new destroyer unit and flayed ones. So maybe more CC orientated units.

If the silent king is returning, It worryingly brings Big E becoming a model closer into realms of possibility. And I'm unsure how I feel about that.

I would love a Necron V Eldar themed box and a new edition with updated aspect warriors personally

 BrotherGecko wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

I thought it would be Tneva that was going to say this, but I might be misremembering. Is it you that says this? That this is an ok, nay good, nay great thing and how dare I question it?
Anyway, the answer is yes, the fact that in order to buy Ghazghkul I have to either wait (more than one minute, and up to an infinite number of years, we don't know which), or buy Ghazghkul + Ragnar + 10 Primaris +50 orks, if I want to own just Ghazghkul, is indeed irritating to me.

Well just find someone selling Ghaz because they just wanted Ragnar. I'm sure its going for what GW will sell him for as a solo model which will be probably $115-$130 US.

Edit: people on ebay are selling him for wayyyyy less than what GW is going to. You should get on that before his price skyrockets.

that's doubtful, REALLLY doubtful. Ghaz is roughly the size of Gulliman and Abaddon who are about 60 USDs

We both know relative size has nothing to do with GW prices. Also he is only high wise about the size of the other two but mass he is bigger. I'd be shocked if he was cheaper than $75.

Which would still make the ebay rates cheaper until his solo release.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
We both know relative size has nothing to do with GW prices. Also he is only high wise about the size of the other two but mass he is bigger. I'd be shocked if he was cheaper than $75.

Which would still make the ebay rates cheaper until his solo release.

no but relative size and function TENDS to corroborate. Ghaz might be a little bit more but he's certainly not going to be deamon primarch priced

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

Just wait 6 months and the models will be separated.


...Kids these days think they're entitled to what they want right this instant.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
New Avatar of Khaine? The Emperor? What is this?

So that answers that. Thank you, wish they'd put that in the email they sent this morning instead of the blank image I shared...

 Togusa wrote:

So that answers that. Thank you, wish they'd put that in the email they sent this morning instead of the blank image I shared...

If you would have clicked on the 'Find Out More' button in the email you would have been linked to the Sunday Preview article on Warhammer Community which consists of more than just the Age of Sigmar Death Match.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

So that answers that. Thank you, wish they'd put that in the email they sent this morning instead of the blank image I shared...

If you would have clicked on the 'Find Out More' button in the email you would have been linked to the Sunday Preview article on Warhammer Community which consists of more than just the Age of Sigmar Death Match.

One click is fine. Two is too much.

BrianDavion wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
We both know relative size has nothing to do with GW prices. Also he is only high wise about the size of the other two but mass he is bigger. I'd be shocked if he was cheaper than $75.

Which would still make the ebay rates cheaper until his solo release.

no but relative size and function TENDS to corroborate. Ghaz might be a little bit more but he's certainly not going to be deamon primarch priced

He's also unlikely to be anything to do with this preview.

Let's stick to the topic, please.

 kodos wrote:

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

Well duh. You can also avoid just buying new codex. You can still play 2nd edition if you want.

However if you want to play with majority of players you will need to buy new edition rulebook and codexes. 8th ed will be rather sparse for you to find opponents.


And you can only play 40k sensibly casually. Even tournaments are only playable as casual. If you try to play 40k competively it breaks down. Hard.

What you seem to be mistaken is assuming tournament=competive, tournament!=casual. Casual tournaments are a thing and works lot better than competive. 40k breaks down competively hard. It's totally unsuited. It works as casual fun game. Spectacular self destruct the moment you try to apply it to competive style.



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 EnTyme wrote:

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

How on earth supplement that will be 100% usable in 9th ed would be obsolete? That doesn't make ANY sense.

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:

I can avoid it by ignoring the next edtion

Well duh. You can also avoid just buying new codex. You can still play 2nd edition if you want.
However if you want to play with majority of players you will need to buy new edition rulebook and codexes. 8th ed will be rather sparse for you to find opponents..

exactly, if I want to go to tournaments/events I need the new rules
if I just want to play with friends or the local group, I can do what I want (and yes, there is a group playing 2nd Edi 40k, as well as a group playing 5th Edition)

there is nothing that forces me to buy any new rules except the need to visit an event hence why the only reason to play 8th Edi 40k at the moment are tournaments

What you seem to be mistaken is assuming tournament=competive, tournament!=casual

never said that
I met more casual players on tournaments than WAAC guys, while in pick up games it was the other way around

but going to a tournament means that people play to win, using a set of rules agreed before and there is no argument about it.

tneva82 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

How on earth supplement that will be 100% usable in 9th ed would be obsolete? That doesn't make ANY sense.

how do you know that it will be useable?
would be the first campaign book that carry over to the next edition

it is more likley that those books are obsolete than the opposite

Original Black Crusade could be played right up to 8th Ed, as the core rules of the game didn’t really have more than tidy ups?

 BrotherGecko wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

I thought it would be Tneva that was going to say this, but I might be misremembering. Is it you that says this? That this is an ok, nay good, nay great thing and how dare I question it?
Anyway, the answer is yes, the fact that in order to buy Ghazghkul I have to either wait (more than one minute, and up to an infinite number of years, we don't know which), or buy Ghazghkul + Ragnar + 10 Primaris +50 orks, if I want to own just Ghazghkul, is indeed irritating to me.

Well just find someone selling Ghaz because they just wanted Ragnar. I'm sure its going for what GW will sell him for as a solo model which will be probably $115-$130 US.

Edit: people on ebay are selling him for wayyyyy less than what GW is going to. You should get on that before his price skyrockets.

Hell yeah, I got him for £35. I'm expecting 40-50 from gee dubs in future.

breaking up starter boxes can be a lucrative exercise too. I bought tooth and claw, kept the models I wanted, and still made my money back plus profit by selling the stuff I didnt want.

I'm hoping for world eaters vs emperors children in a box set. I'm calling it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

Back in my day, we used to split these boxes. Or even two people would buy one each and trade the unwanted force to the other person. It's so disappointing that GW apparently made it enforcably illegal to do so, worldwide.

Apparently.

Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

 Sherrypie wrote:
Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

I think rganar and Ghaz first got mentioned at the possiability of the silent king being in a similer kit and no new starter set coming

 Sherrypie wrote:
Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

No, the funniest bit about it is that people were told to drop it and yet haven't.

Just because the mod note was not coloured does not mean one can just ignore it.

 ingtaer wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

No, the funniest bit about it is that people were told to drop it and yet haven't.

Just because the mod note was not coloured does not mean one can just ignore it.

Given the trains of conversation are stemming from what people are expecting to see in the reveal and related rumours, which is deemed off topic, it's impossible for on-topic conversation since we can't discuss the reveals actual contents. Might be wise to lock it until it happens?

Dudeface wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

No, the funniest bit about it is that people were told to drop it and yet haven't.

Just because the mod note was not coloured does not mean one can just ignore it.

Given the trains of conversation are stemming from what people are expecting to see in the reveal and related rumours, which is deemed off topic, it's impossible for on-topic conversation since we can't discuss the reveals actual contents. Might be wise to lock it until it happens?

The speculation is cool, arguing about the price of Ghaz or having digs at people is not.

 Azazelx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

Back in my day, we used to split these boxes. Or even two people would buy one each and trade the unwanted force to the other person. It's so disappointing that GW apparently made it enforcably illegal to do so, worldwide.

Apparently.

Hows that?

They.....they haven’t?

What they have clamped down on are FLGS etc splitting boxes.

Essentially, if GW provides a Start Collecting set, the FLGS/Indie is in breach of contract if they then open that box, and sell on the constituent parts.

But as for ‘well, let’s buy them at 12pm, head to the pub and then swap the bits’ isn’t ‘illegal’. Once the end user has the product, they can do as they wish.

I’m pretty sure Azazelx was being sarcastic, there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They.....they haven’t?

What they have clamped down on are FLGS etc splitting boxes.

Essentially, if GW provides a Start Collecting set, the FLGS/Indie is in breach of contract if they then open that box, and sell on the constituent parts.

But as for ‘well, let’s buy them at 12pm, head to the pub and then swap the bits’ isn’t ‘illegal’. Once the end user has the product, they can do as they wish.

Has FLGS's been doing that? All splitting I know are players splitting themselves. That's standard and GW literally cannot stop that. People can do with what they have bought what they want. GW has no legal way of saying "you cant' give those to others for money or models".

And anybody with access to post office can do that and get the half you want for cheaper than you would get them buying separately when GW releases then. So it's win for players as well. And how many people live in place where a) they can get GW models b) have zero access to post office?

GW used to allow stores to split box content, that was what kept the bits-stores running. At some stage GW decided they didn't want that happening any more and shut it down so trade stores buying from GW can't split up box content. It killed the bits stores in general and those that are left are higher priced for parts. Ok for one or two but once you want a halfdozen bits from a single box its cheaper to just get the box from GW/retail.

Maybe I missed something....but nobody has thought about the Big Faq we should have in April. Maybe the big news is the big faq
The "big news" can also be a wordplay like they do with the reveal of the new giants in AoS.

Bearblu wrote:
Maybe I missed something....but nobody has thought about the Big Faq we should have in April. Maybe the big news is the big faq
The "big news" can also be a wordplay like they do with the reveal of the new giants in AoS.

I fail to see how that ties into a video about the silent King however?

Completely forgot about the Spring FAQ update!

But, as others have said, I expect this mainly to be previews surrounding the PA books that have been delayed, potentially with news on the updated FW books as well.

On top of that, there may, or may not, be a new boxset released alongside one of the PA books (which we could reasonably expect to be necrons vs something).

Finally, I’d just expect pre-order dates for the PA books. There is a potential that they will release them all rapid fire, rather than risk their future release timetable crossing over with them.

 Overread wrote:
GW used to allow stores to split box content, that was what kept the bits-stores running. At some stage GW decided they didn't want that happening any more and shut it down so trade stores buying from GW can't split up box content. It killed the bits stores in general and those that are left are higher priced for parts. Ok for one or two but once you want a halfdozen bits from a single box its cheaper to just get the box from GW/retail.

That's my love affair with the Pistoliers boxes.

Buy boxes from GW, remove the feathered helmet heads for Ventrillian Noble conversions, resell what is a 95% complete set via eBay. Never failed yet.

Bearblu wrote:
The "big news" can also be a wordplay like they do with the reveal of the new giants in AoS.

Oh I'd love it to be that. Can you imagine the reaction?

"In the darkness between the stars, the weak and the faithless find no delivarance."

Sounds awfully lot like a fancy way to say "the lost and the damned".
New traitor guard faction would be pretty big, and also more than hinted at with the BSF models.

Kdash wrote:

Finally, I’d just expect pre-order dates for the PA books. There is a potential that they will release them all rapid fire, rather than risk their future release timetable crossing over with them.

That would require them knowing when factory restarts which would require either future knowledge of how corona goes or at least what uk goverment plans to do.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bearblu wrote:
The "big news" can also be a wordplay like they do with the reveal of the new giants in AoS.

Oh I'd love it to be that. Can you imagine the reaction?

My dog that works at GW says it's space giants, an upgrade sprue that you can add to the new AOS giants that gives them a buzz lightyear helmet and a big giant boltgun so you can run them as Ogryns made out of Primaris Marines.

Lol that would be a) expensive ogryns b) one hell of a size up for ogryns the warhammer giant dwarfs ogryns and new giants dwarf old giant.

Would be better for orks with stats around imperial knight. Size would fit better.

The silence (pun intended) on the spring FAQ kind of lends a bit more fuel to the 9th edition speculation IMO. Why would they bother with a Spring FAQ if they are launching a new edition?

But who knows, Saturday will help a bit.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The silence (pun intended) on the spring FAQ kind of lends a bit more fuel to the 9th edition speculation IMO. Why would they bother with a Spring FAQ if they are launching a new edition?

But who knows, Saturday will help a bit.

It kind of doesn't though. Assuming that the last 2 months hadn't happened, multiple events would still be taking place. Those would be going on until the summer rules refresh anyway (if that is what's happening). They absolutely could have done a smaller FAQ that tidies up some codex interactions but that doesn't change anything fundamental with the game.
Thing is there are no events happening (not even local/club level meetings) so the need for a FAQ is minimal at best because no-one can realistically use it.

I wondered why they used the term 'fans of the Adeptus Mechanicus' in the description and then i saw the pic underneath it.
Really disappointed at the 'Pteraxii' - Thallax are so much better, in both intent and in image

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 EnTyme wrote:

This is probably the most logical comment in this thread. GW wouldn't announce a new edition while they are still trying to sell campaign book for this edition. It would be bad marketing to announce that upcoming releases are about to be obsolete.

How on earth supplement that will be 100% usable in 9th ed would be obsolete? That doesn't make ANY sense.

You and several other seem to be hung up on my use of the word "obsolete", and it honestly probably isn't the term I should have used. "Outdated" would have been a better descriptor. That said, it honestly doesn't matter how compatible the theoretical new edition would be with current supplements. The second you announce a new edition, a significant portion of the playerbase (i.e. GW's target market) will view everything 8th edition as invalid. Hell, there are people who declare a codex obsolete the second the FAQ is released. Announcing a new edition while you are still trying to sell supplements for the current edition is just bad business.

 Red Corsair wrote:
The silence (pun intended) on the spring FAQ kind of lends a bit more fuel to the 9th edition speculation IMO. Why would they bother with a Spring FAQ if they are launching a new edition?

But who knows, Saturday will help a bit.

FWIW, the last few months nobody has really been playing, so how many people are gonna submit questions for the FAQ/Errata?

 Azazelx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

You're really going to complain about a starterbox having two armies? Or any GW big box having two armies? It's not hard to just get what you want.

Back in my day, we used to split these boxes. Or even two people would buy one each and trade the unwanted force to the other person. It's so disappointing that GW apparently made it enforcably illegal to do so, worldwide.

Apparently.

I really doubt I'll have the opportunity though, I'm going to buy some apples this week, so most of my spare time will be taken up trying to sell all the oranges and bananas that I'm also required in to buy with the apples. I know, it seems like a really strange way to obtain apples, but it actually works out quite well if you know people that want to buy oranges and bananas but not apples.

Please keep on the thread topic, lets leave the concerns about hypothetical box sets for another discussion.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The silence (pun intended) on the spring FAQ kind of lends a bit more fuel to the 9th edition speculation IMO. Why would they bother with a Spring FAQ if they are launching a new edition?

But who knows, Saturday will help a bit.

FWIW, the last few months nobody has really been playing, so how many people are gonna submit questions for the FAQ/Errata?

I thought of that, but the questions for the Spring FAQ generally occur prior to the spring which was before lock down. And one would assume with increased hobby time and a lack of alternative news, a FAQ would be easy for them to release during quarantine. I get that they like waiting until after adepticons results, but I assumed they didn't rely 100% on these tourneys results. I'm probably wrong, which means those FAQ's were influenced way too heavily by single events, which some had already speculated but there wasn't much evidence.

I mean, why wouldn't you release the Spring FAQ with other news slowing so much even if it was small? Seems silly to just skip it without acknowledgment.

It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

tneva82 wrote:

Kdash wrote:

Finally, I’d just expect pre-order dates for the PA books. There is a potential that they will release them all rapid fire, rather than risk their future release timetable crossing over with them.

That would require them knowing when factory restarts which would require either future knowledge of how corona goes or at least what uk goverment plans to do.

That’s now.
It happened from the 11th May.

I don’t know if GW specifically have begun up, but they are allowed now.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

Then those "select individuals" have too much influence.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

Then those "select individuals" have too much influence.

They really haven't done much wrong outside how Doctrines are being done so...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

Then those "select individuals" have too much influence.

They really haven't done much wrong outside how Doctrines are being done so...

Nerfing the Commissars and the addition of "Raw Recruits" rather than just adding the "Militarum Auxilla" keyword to Conscripts immediately springs to mind as an example of the feedback. Doctrines aren't really an issue, IMO, given that they presented a drawback(having anything that isn't Astartes disables them) and a benefit...unless you'd like to suggest for doctrines giving a flat -1AP as the issue, in which case I'd agree and I would have liked to see something far more interesting.

I doubt it’s going to be a bonafide edition change because they are way too proud of this edition to drop it. I don’t even think they would announce 8.5 since in their eyes there’s no need for it. I doubt it’s a big update because I am also sure they are satisfied with where it’s at now, unless they want to patch some balance issues from the last PA supplement or whatever more recent content they have that never got that. It’s got to be new models. Probably more primaricrap and a Xenos release or if we are really lucky an overhaul of a xenos faction

Heres hoping it's just a new Proper starter set, with a revised Rulebook, incorporating all the errors fixed by the last few FAQs.

And smaller. Noone even brings the rulebook to games where I play. 6th edition may have been terrible, but that softcover mini rulebook was ace.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

Then those "select individuals" have too much influence.

They really haven't done much wrong outside how Doctrines are being done so...

Nerfing the Commissars and the addition of "Raw Recruits" rather than just adding the "Militarum Auxilla" keyword to Conscripts immediately springs to mind as an example of the feedback. Doctrines aren't really an issue, IMO, given that they presented a drawback(having anything that isn't Astartes disables them) and a benefit...unless you'd like to suggest for doctrines giving a flat -1AP as the issue, in which case I'd agree and I would have liked to see something far more interesting.

That's more a main rules writer thing you're referring to (and trust me I thought it was lame), but it's been super convoluted on how to go through the Doctrines. They could've just left the Strat alone and just added that it could only be used once per game so that Dark Angels, Iron Hands, and Imperial Fists aren't as gimped to anyone preferring the Tactical Doctrine.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Heres hoping it's just a new Proper starter set, with a revised Rulebook, incorporating all the errors fixed by the last few FAQs.

And smaller. Noone even brings the rulebook to games where I play. 6th edition may have been terrible, but that softcover mini rulebook was ace.

Big agree on that. Personally I wish gw would make all rule books less expensive softcovers. If you want a hardcover book that's what special editions should be for.

But on what we need in a new edition, just incorporating the FAQs wouldn't do it. They need to address too many things: cover/terrain, fallback, and cp generation just to name a few.

I'm expecting a new edition as we're in pretty much a decade long pattern of three years or less between editions.

It would be nice if it was a linear improvement on 8th but I'm expecting the part update part random ideas shuffling of the deckchairs they normally do.

8th can't be salvaged without invalidating all the codexes again and they won't dare do that.

The second fluff blurb really makes me think a renegade, possibly "enlightened" (possibly possibly "woke") human splinter faction.

I’m thinking these quotes are part of a larger whole.






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Reckon the next will be along the lines of ‘but it’s all a big naughty fib’

I will find you, and I will squat you.

From the 2 blurbs so far, it does sound like heretic guard or lost and the damned. Certainly humanity who has given up on the Emperor.

Inquisition?

Yeah these quotes remind meofthe last time we had a bunch of starry quotes and everyone thought 40K endtimes had come but it was just the Custodes.

What if the bigness is actually Cordenesque?

Definitely big, but unpleasant, unwelcome and seemingly unavoidable?

I mean TBH if it's just the silent King's return that's proably the biggest news in 40k since Gulliman.

Aren't these just paraphrased excerpts from the Imperial Creed?

No new edition.

New Primaris Space Marines and and a new faction to be unveiled. I'm predicting Lost and the Damned.

People need to let go of the new edition fixation.

 oni wrote:
No new edition.

New Primaris Space Marines and and a new faction to be unveiled. I'm predicting Lost and the Damned.

People need to let go of the new edition fixation.

GW would be nuts to launch a new edition smack bang in the centre of a global pandemic. Right now people are happy to keep buying models and supplements in the hopes of being able to play again in a few months. A new edition that no one can play, would jeopardise sales at a time of economic recession. They’d lose half the benefit of a new edition bounce in sales.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
8th can't be salvaged without invalidating all the codexes again and they won't dare do that.

The second fluff blurb really makes me think a renegade, possibly "enlightened" (possibly possibly "woke") human splinter faction.

They made some pretty radical changes in second ed AoS, and released updates for all of the existing faction books as Errata. AoS seems to have been the testing ground for a lot of stuff for 40k, so I wouldn't be surprised to see similar command point style changes pushed in a similar manner. They also could change many rules without having to update every codex, like they could change the to wound chart (because the current system really favors mid strength weapons), or release better cover rules, make bolter discipline part of how rapid fire weapons work, etc.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Inquisition?

I never picked up the White Dwarf Inquisitor rules, but a combined codex for the three branches and retinue would be awesome.

 ratmkith wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Inquisition?

I never picked up the White Dwarf Inquisitor rules, but a combined codex for the three branches and retinue would be awesome.

And some plastics...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/18/psychic-awakening-gone-dark/

I read the story posted on Warhammer community and I wonder if it's a hint at a potential new unit. Could a combo flayed one/pariah kit be released?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
8th can't be salvaged without invalidating all the codexes again and they won't dare do that.

The second fluff blurb really makes me think a renegade, possibly "enlightened" (possibly possibly "woke") human splinter faction.

Seeing GW isn't moving toward some ultimate balanced edition anyway but just changing things they can easily change things enough for new edition without invalidating codexes.

Bit more rules for terrain, maybe alter way CP is gained, incorporate faq's, done.

People need to stop thinking new edition=big changes.

Some terrain rules that make sense would be welcome. This kinda gak has to go away, pronto.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The silence (pun intended) on the spring FAQ kind of lends a bit more fuel to the 9th edition speculation IMO. Why would they bother with a Spring FAQ if they are launching a new edition?

But who knows, Saturday will help a bit.

FWIW, the last few months nobody has really been playing, so how many people are gonna submit questions for the FAQ/Errata?

I thought of that, but the questions for the Spring FAQ generally occur prior to the spring which was before lock down. And one would assume with increased hobby time and a lack of alternative news, a FAQ would be easy for them to release during quarantine. I get that they like waiting until after adepticons results, but I assumed they didn't rely 100% on these tourneys results. I'm probably wrong, which means those FAQ's were influenced way too heavily by single events, which some had already speculated but there wasn't much evidence.

I mean, why wouldn't you release the Spring FAQ with other news slowing so much even if it was small? Seems silly to just skip it without acknowledgment.

IMO, the lockdown would have been a perfect time to revisit all the FAQs and work on related content. The number of FAQs would likely have dropped substantially during this period, giving them an excellent opportunity to get up to date.

That said, I doubt said opportunity was taken advantage of.

 ingtaer wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
Funniest part about this is comparing the Ragnar vs. Ghaz box to a starter kit. They are not meant for the same demographic as such nor do they fill the same purpose.

No, the funniest bit about it is that people were told to drop it and yet haven't.

Just because the mod note was not coloured does not mean one can just ignore it.

In fairness to the above poster (whose argument I disagree with), mod notes are best in red so that regular users can differentiate between an actual mod note and mods participating in the regular conversation, else it creates a chilling effect and an unsurety of discussion when a mod is involved in making an argument for or against something (as opposed to an "argument"). There's one mod here who I will not interact with in conversation for this very reason.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Back in my day, we used to split these boxes. Or even two people would buy one each and trade the unwanted force to the other person. It's so disappointing that GW apparently made it enforcably illegal to do so, worldwide.
.

Hows that?

it was sarcasm. Sorry, I was probably being too flat/dry in my response to the other poster.

 General Kroll wrote:

 oni wrote:
No new edition.

New Primaris Space Marines and and a new faction to be unveiled. I'm predicting Lost and the Damned.

People need to let go of the new edition fixation.

GW would be nuts to launch a new edition smack bang in the centre of a global pandemic. Right now people are happy to keep buying models and supplements in the hopes of being able to play again in a few months. A new edition that no one can play, would jeopardise sales at a time of economic recession. They’d lose half the benefit of a new edition bounce in sales.

People are currently buying models generally for 1 of 2 reasons right now –
1. Expanding their collection and to give them some hobby to do whilst on lockdown, or,
2. Based off any form of TTS meta/experience.

Releasing “shiny new models”, will always generate big sales for GW, especially if the rules are semi decent to excellent. Even centre piece models that are terrible still draw in sales.

The fact that no one would be able to “play” the new edition in stores right now, wouldn’t be a reason for it not to get released, nor would it have too much of an impact on sales – with the exception of the remaining PA books (if they are not compatible with the update).

It is part of the reason why I think, if there is a big change coming this summer, then the remaining PA books will get released at a faster pace to catch back up to the schedule.
Most people will buy into a new edition, lockdown or not. It might be more of a drawn out, extended sale, rather than a single “big hit” followed by a drop off, but the sales will be there, though this will likely be a result of people being on 80% of their wages for several months, or, in a fair few cases, currently finding themselves without the disposable income at point of release.

With the webstore and factory back open, and the lockdown restrictions getting lifted more and more each week, there is a strong chance that things will be dramatically different in 4-6 weeks’ time. The only thing that could case a setback, is all the morons ignoring the current advice and causing a secondary spike.
I’ve been back at work for 2 weeks now, and every day I’m seeing more and more traffic on the road. Most people and big businesses have adapted, and the pace of this will likely continue to increase.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Some terrain rules that make sense would be welcome. This kinda gak has to go away, pronto.

The kicker is that anything that can see that sliver of the baneblade can shoot it without any sort of benefit to the baneblade due to cover or lack there of. I understand why the terrain rules were written the way they were; they are trying to streamline and standardize the game which includes removing as many opportunities for particularly... competitive rules lawyers from exploiting any sort of grey area. Or trying to create grey areas to exploit. Nevertheless, decent terrain rules would probably be the biggest announcement by GW indeed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Some terrain rules that make sense would be welcome. This kinda gak has to go away, pronto.

If i'm honest, things like this don't really bother me too much. It might not be realistic, but, it does make things easy and simple. I'd rather not go back to the days of weapon arcs and vehicle facings.
That said, terrain could always use the update - it just won't happen outside of a new rulebook though.

I don’t get why people are convinced there won’t be a new edition anytime soon. We’ve known since late 2019 that 9th ed would arrive in summer 2020, now it’s just a matter of how long it will be delayed by the pandemic.

The same rumormongers that were talking about 9th ed next summer also correctly predicted the content of PA Faith and Fury 2 months in advance, the Ghaz+Ragnar box, that we’d have no new codex until the last Psychic Awakening in May/June and both the Illuminor and Silent King new models. All this between November and December of last year.

Only reason I would say that this could be a new starter(and maybe rules) are:

* 6th, 7th, and 8th all had 2-3 years interval. Same for AoS 1.0 to 2.0. So there is an established pattern.
* The current starter is stale and probably not moving many units. That's bad business so GW has an incentive to refresh the box.
* The current rulebook in Dark Imperium and booklets are woefully outdated and bad. There is no sense for GW to keep printing them to infinity and this would provide a chance to refresh it a bit.
* A lot of people seem to be stuck in 7th-to-8th mindset. Before that we had 6th-7th which was a minor change except for battalions that came in the codexes. AoS is currently at 2.0 and Daughters of Khaine, Maggotkin of Nurgle, and Idoneth Deepking players still have their 1.0 tomes, 2 years into the 2.0 ruleset. They could do with an update but have still been winning games here and there, especially DoK and IK, with Maggotkin getting a little lease with the last FAQ. So a new rulebook and rule tweaks don't necessarily mean your current codex is going to be invalidated.

Again, an edition change doesn't mean they are revamping the rules completely. 6-7th was a minor change. 1.0 to 2.0 AoS was not a 7th to 8th big. A new edition can just be a slight tweak for the most part, which is why some people have been referring to this more as an 8.5 edition if it happens.

 Eldarsif wrote:
* A lot of people seem to be stuck in 7th-to-8th mindset. Before that we had 6th-7th which was a minor change except for battalions that came in the codexes.

And before that we had 5->6, 4->5 and 3->4 which were also minor without invalidating codexes. Wonder if you could even use 3rd ed codex technically in 5th? 6th? 7th? (apart from sucking up big time)

In 40k there's been 2 editions where all previous codexes were invalidated. In FB that happened once(5->6th). In AOS so far never.

Codex invalidations are very rare for GW.

 Aenar wrote:
We’ve known since late 2019 that 9th ed would arrive in summer 2020,

Have we? I haven't heard anything like that but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was real.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 ratmkith wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Inquisition?

I never picked up the White Dwarf Inquisitor rules, but a combined codex for the three branches and retinue would be awesome.

And some plastics...

what's the point in inquisition when their main adversary might aswell not exist...

 kastelen wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
We’ve known since late 2019 that 9th ed would arrive in summer 2020,

Have we? I haven't heard anything like that but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was real.

I remember reading it from the same sources that correctly predicted a lot of stuff, months in advance. AFAIK, they were French or French-speaking.

 Aenar wrote:

 kastelen wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
We’ve known since late 2019 that 9th ed would arrive in summer 2020,

Have we? I haven't heard anything like that but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was real.

I remember reading it from the same sources that correctly predicted a lot of stuff, months in advance. AFAIK, they were French or French-speaking.

That's still not same as knowing though. There's been plenty of things rumoured by reputable sources that havent' come forth yet. Angron for example was rumoured by then so far reliable rumour monger(this around time Guillimann was revelead. Did get Mortarion right. Not the other 2 at least so far). Also ork vs black templar box never materialized...

Once GW stopped leaking things in secret reliable rumours have dried up a lot.

Just because there's strong rumours for something doesn't mean it's quaranteed enough you can say "we've known". Suspected is better word.

Suspicion would be deducting it from clues (like 3 years from the launch of 8th, bloated faq/erratas, etc), while here we've had a source who's been 100% correct so far that said 9th would come out in the summer. They've established their credibility imho.
Anyway, 3 more days and we'll probably know for sure.

The "deliverance" part of the quote could suggest we're getting something Raven Guard, maybe Corax? We know the Silent King is coming and we know Corax basically upped and left after the Crusade and is potentially somewhere "out there". Deliverance is the name of the Raven Guard homeworld so it might be a carefully chosen use of that word.

I guess revealing both the Silent King and the second Imperium Primarch would be a pretty big reveal. Not sure I'd really like that tot be the case though as more Space Marines is not what the game needs right now.

Kdash wrote:
If i'm honest, things like this don't really bother me too much. It might not be realistic, but, it does make things easy and simple. I'd rather not go back to the days of weapon arcs and vehicle facings.

Manoeuvre and positioning should have meaning. If you can shoot anything just by seeing a sliver of a wing-tip, antennae, banner pole, claw, tail, etc., then it makes things too simplistic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If i'm honest, things like this don't really bother me too much. It might not be realistic, but, it does make things easy and simple. I'd rather not go back to the days of weapon arcs and vehicle facings.

Manoeuvre and positioning should have meaning. If you can shoot anything just by seeing a sliver of a wing-tip, antennae, banner pole, claw, tail, etc., then it makes things too simplistic.

I agree but at the same time it is very hard to define facings and in general it makes vehicles much less desirable when unlike everything else on the game they can't fire all the weapons they are paying for. Specially when GW makes vehicles by how cool they are and puts weapons everywhere.
And, yeah, with boxy imperial vehicles is easy to define facings but with eldar, dark eldar, tau ones, etc... is harder, and then arguing comes.

I mean, if it's really an issue you encounter frequently, it's not a hard solve - get some acrylic arc templates, and define a centrepoint and forward direction point on the model before the game with your opponent, then just hold the template over the model any time you need to check arcs. If your opponents want to get really retentive about it, mark them permanently on the base like they do in SW Legion.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Some terrain rules that make sense would be welcome. This kinda gak has to go away, pronto.

Exalted for clarity.




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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If i'm honest, things like this don't really bother me too much. It might not be realistic, but, it does make things easy and simple. I'd rather not go back to the days of weapon arcs and vehicle facings.

Manoeuvre and positioning should have meaning. If you can shoot anything just by seeing a sliver of a wing-tip, antennae, banner pole, claw, tail, etc., then it makes things too simplistic.

Exalted for emphasis.

To this I would like to emphasize realism also in another direction, targeting line of sight.
IMO, if you can see an antenna, then play should proceed something as follows:
Player A: "This unit will target the tank. I can see that it can draw direct line of sight <pointing with laser pointer> and can see the antenna. It will shoot at the tank's antenna."
Player B: "Sure - awesome! - shoot at the antenna!"
Player A: "Hit. Armor pen... check."
Player B: "Oh no... the antenna! Good thing that it is magnetized."
Player A: "Yeah, I can't hit anything else but I rolled a 6 for that antenna!"

tneva82 wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
* A lot of people seem to be stuck in 7th-to-8th mindset. Before that we had 6th-7th which was a minor change except for battalions that came in the codexes.

And before that we had 5->6, 4->5 and 3->4 which were also minor without invalidating codexes. Wonder if you could even use 3rd ed codex technically in 5th? 6th? 7th? (apart from sucking up big time)

In 40k there's been 2 editions where all previous codexes were invalidated. In FB that happened once(5->6th). In AOS so far never.

Codex invalidations are very rare for GW.

Exactly.

I used the 4th edition Asuryani codex until it got updated in 6th. Same with the 5th edition Drukhari codex that got a horrible update in 7th. An update like going to 8th is not going to happen any time soon. A small marketable update that just sells more models is however more likely.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't the results of the events, AFAIK, that were so influential but rather the 'in-person feedback' they got from select individuals.

Then those "select individuals" have too much influence.

They really haven't done much wrong outside how Doctrines are being done so...

Nerfing the Commissars and the addition of "Raw Recruits" rather than just adding the "Militarum Auxilla" keyword to Conscripts immediately springs to mind as an example of the feedback. Doctrines aren't really an issue, IMO, given that they presented a drawback(having anything that isn't Astartes disables them) and a benefit...unless you'd like to suggest for doctrines giving a flat -1AP as the issue, in which case I'd agree and I would have liked to see something far more interesting.

Psst: If your drawback puts you at the same level as basically every other army in the entire game, it's not a real drawback.

This is like in 7th when people were arguing the decurion was fair when it first came out because to get it you had to construct your necron army and if you didn't you lost the decurion benefits.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If i'm honest, things like this don't really bother me too much. It might not be realistic, but, it does make things easy and simple. I'd rather not go back to the days of weapon arcs and vehicle facings.

Manoeuvre and positioning should have meaning. If you can shoot anything just by seeing a sliver of a wing-tip, antennae, banner pole, claw, tail, etc., then it makes things too simplistic.

I agree but at the same time it is very hard to define facings and in general it makes vehicles much less desirable when unlike everything else on the game they can't fire all the weapons they are paying for. Specially when GW makes vehicles by how cool they are and puts weapons everywhere.
And, yeah, with boxy imperial vehicles is easy to define facings but with eldar, dark eldar, tau ones, etc... is harder, and then arguing comes.

Best would be to reduce base movement, increase effects of intervening terrain to effectively reduce weapon ranges and mechanized infantry to emphasize speed of transport with again realism in terrain and scale to reduce the effectiveness of some units. This is looking way back, but it seems that there is a legacy of GW rules that could be assembled to support multiple ways of playing. For instance, I would prefer a game with limited card-based, command point freebie and upgrade trickery, while others could plug that in, and I like a more realistic interaction between model and model environment, while others may want to take this stuff out. GW should be able to use its own history to assemble a sort of universal rule book with different things, like terrain interaction rules, that can be plugged in as a sort of module. So, one might play something like KillTeam on an 8x4 table with 4" base troop movement and all of the extra stuff, and others might play Armageddon style games on different tables around the world on webcam. Same rules base, with house-rules built in...

If this were the announcement, I would be excited enough to buy a new airbrush compressor.

I'm hoping it's a revised edition a la AOS 2.0. They might fix things like detachments and CP generation. I'd love to see things like cultists, poxwalkers, drones, conscripts, ripper swarms etc have a rule preventing them from holding objectives or count as less or something (no objective secured equivalent maybe), ANYTHING, to get away from the "quantity > quality" approach to list building you see now where the most effective thing is to spam tons of cheap bodies in detachments to maximize CP.

It's too late for them to get away from focusing on stratagems as a core mechanic rather than a bonus sadly.

Wayniac wrote:
I'm hoping it's a revised edition a la AOS 2.0. They might fix things like detachments and CP generation. I'd love to see things like cultists, poxwalkers, drones, conscripts, ripper swarms etc have a rule preventing them from holding objectives or count as less or something (no objective secured equivalent maybe), ANYTHING, to get away from the "quantity > quality" approach to list building you see now where the most effective thing is to spam tons of cheap bodies in detachments to maximize CP.

It's too late for them to get away from focusing on stratagems as a core mechanic rather than a bonus sadly.

Problem is when you look at it it's precisely less trained things that have been used to hold ground...

One way to deal with CP would still be make each detachment DOCK you CP rather than grant. Start with X, each battalion removes Y, each vanquard Z etc. Brigade would dock least etc. This means spamming multiple battalions isn't essential unless you run out of slots(in otherwords you are encouraged to actually USE those slots you have rather than go for another near empty detachment) and would give some incentive to stay mono even without marine style mono bonus. Each ally force needing own detachment would dock you of CP's. You soup up, play with less CP's. IG wouldn't be CP battery anymore as loyal 32 would actually reduce your CP's...

That's been my dream for CP system pretty much through 8th ed.

 Togusa wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Yes, how wonderful - I get a whole new army of Necrons with my new Space Marines. Two armies - two for the price of two - because to get the units for my army I also need to buy the units for another army. Please do this again GW.

Just wait 6 months and the models will be separated.


...Kids these days think they're entitled to what they want right this instant.

The Gravis Captain would like a word.

Wayniac wrote:
I'm hoping it's a revised edition a la AOS 2.0. They might fix things like detachments and CP generation. I'd love to see things like cultists, poxwalkers, drones, conscripts, ripper swarms etc have a rule preventing them from holding objectives or count as less or something (no objective secured equivalent maybe), ANYTHING, to get away from the "quantity > quality" approach to list building you see now where the most effective thing is to spam tons of cheap bodies in detachments to maximize CP.

It's too late for them to get away from focusing on stratagems as a core mechanic rather than a bonus sadly.

Fix the CP generation and it becomes a bonus as much as a core mechanic. Cheap crap hordes should get a bonus for being a cheap crap horde, that bonus is the number you have to shift. It's not like you have units of 10 intercessors wiping a unit of 20-30 cultists a turn for no losses anyway.

tneva82 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I'm hoping it's a revised edition a la AOS 2.0. They might fix things like detachments and CP generation. I'd love to see things like cultists, poxwalkers, drones, conscripts, ripper swarms etc have a rule preventing them from holding objectives or count as less or something (no objective secured equivalent maybe), ANYTHING, to get away from the "quantity > quality" approach to list building you see now where the most effective thing is to spam tons of cheap bodies in detachments to maximize CP.

It's too late for them to get away from focusing on stratagems as a core mechanic rather than a bonus sadly.

Problem is when you look at it it's precisely less trained things that have been used to hold ground...

One way to deal with CP would still be make each detachment DOCK you CP rather than grant. Start with X, each battalion removes Y, each vanquard Z etc. Brigade would dock least etc. This means spamming multiple battalions isn't essential unless you run out of slots(in otherwords you are encouraged to actually USE those slots you have rather than go for another near empty detachment) and would give some incentive to stay mono even without marine style mono bonus. Each ally force needing own detachment would dock you of CP's. You soup up, play with less CP's. IG wouldn't be CP battery anymore as loyal 32 would actually reduce your CP's...

That's been my dream for CP system pretty much through 8th ed.

So much this.