The US Open 2022 Grand Narrative Finale is taking place in New Mexico this weekend. It’s a celebratory capstone for this year’s Warhammer Open series – so we’ll be covering the event on the Warhammer Twitch Channel as it happens, including a Warhammer Preview with something for all Warhammer fans.
Amid a series of games to crown 2022’s overall North American champions of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar, some cracking hobby classes, and the Grand Narrative Event that could help shape the future of the 41st Millennium, attendees will also be treated to an exclusive early preview event.
There will be juicy reveals for Warhammer 40,000, Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Necromunda, and Warhammer Underworlds – which we’ll post on this website straight after the event concludes in New Mexico.
You can catch all the details on Saturday. Fair warning to our fans in the UK and Europe – you’re going to have to get up pretty early for this one… Tune in at 4am GMT on the 19th of November.
This is the last major preview event of the year and there are some surprises in store. That said, there may also be a few festive treats under our digital tree when the end of the year rolls around…
The preview isn’t the only thing being broadcast from the Grand Narrative Finale. We’ll have tournament action, commentary, and much more besides.
On a Friday morning as well, which works for me. I think its safe to assume that it'll be Arks of Omen that'll be mentioned, although no idea about the other games.
SamusDrake wrote: On a Friday morning as well, which works for me. I think its safe to assume that it'll be Arks of Omen that'll be mentioned, although no idea about the other games.
It's Saturday morning for the rest of the world, Friday night for the Americas.
You can catch all the details on Saturday. Fair warning to our fans in the UK and Europe – you’re going to have to get up pretty early for this one… Tune in at 4am GMT on the 19th of November.
Olthannon wrote: What's the reckoning with what's going to be on show?
World eaters and arks of omen for 40k I reckon. If there is a 2nd marine codex and the remaining 9th edition marine supplements coming then maybe we get a teaser or road map for that (but no actual reveals).
I also feel safe saying we get some more necromunda vehicles for the ash wastes.
I have no idea what to expect from underworlds or sigmar.
40k is probably the unrevealed units for WE; jakhals, eightbound, and alt build for the juggerlord kit. Also the army box if there is one.
They might also show the teased zerg dark mechanicum character from the last preview.
Is there any new Slaves to Darkness stuff left for them to show for AOS? If not I'd guess whatever is the next book.
40k Ark of Omens stuff, Arkifane for sure. Maybe another character tease or reveal. Full World Eaters reveal. New matched Play season missin pack and... I'm guessing that's it? Doesn't seem like there is much left for 40k for the next few months unless something comes out of nowhere.
AOS:
Current Roadmap is complete. so anything goes at this point. Death really needs some help, and as a Hedonites fan I'd love to see their update. Order and Destruction are mostly complete.
40k Ark of Omens stuff, Arkifane for sure. Maybe another character tease or reveal. Full World Eaters reveal. New matched Play season missin pack and... I'm guessing that's it? Doesn't seem like there is much left for 40k for the next few months unless something comes out of nowhere.
AOS:
Current Roadmap is complete. so anything goes at this point. Death really needs some help, and as a Hedonites fan I'd love to see their update. Order and Destruction are mostly complete.
Gloomspite is still without 3rd ed update of any kind. Only faction without one. So hoping gits get good news finally.
xttz wrote: 40k is probably the unrevealed units for WE; jakhals, eightbound, and alt build for the juggerlord kit. Also the army box if there is one.
They might also show the teased zerg dark mechanicum character from the last preview.
Is there any new Slaves to Darkness stuff left for them to show for AOS? If not I'd guess whatever is the next book.
Hmm. Hopefully the halloween preview of the warriors, exalted hero and lord on daemonic steed were enough that they don't repeat them.
Pretty sure that's it, beyond getting stuff back in stock.
Danny76 wrote: What in 40k 9th and AoS 3 (or whatever it is on) have we got left to get a current book?
Aos was already covered, but for 40k, in theory nothing.
Though the bulk of Guard isn't coming until next year (including the book by itself, if I read the boxset preorder announcement correctly), and obviously World Eaters are happening, and there will always be a desire for excised factions to come back (inquisition, lost FW factions, etc).
Spring is probably just going to be wheel spinning with the space Ark books.
I think the big thing with AoS is how much further off Cities of Sigmar are. GW has teased concept art for them and its clearly a huge release, but at the same time they can tease concept work and be far further along with actual design and production.
If Cities are close they'll either preview some stuff or AoS might feel a bit muted as things settle before the Cities storm.
If Cities is a long way off still then anything is game.
Kind of sad to not see AT appearing in the lineup. I still keep hoping that we see some movement there, though I worry that Necromunda doing so well might have stolen AT's thunder (and design and production slots).
Necromunda still has the Escher bikers to come so that's one thing that they might preview that could get a slot before Christmas or soon after.
I imagine we'll get the next campaign book previewed for Necromunda, along with the Cawdor Flintstone cars and Van Saar Spider-Vehicles (just assuming - Escher already got the hover vehicle). Maybe some new terrain if we're lucky.
40k? More World Eaters plus the start of the not-Psychic Awakening stuff.
Remember: GW previews are like regular previews, but in slow-motion. Whatever you think would be at a regular preview, GW doles out over three previews.
I'm feeling this too. Would love to just see confirmation that assault marines are coming.
As it is, 40k just has Arks of Omen and World Eaters that we know are coming but don't know the details on beyond that, so we could see more details of those.
For Necromunda, only Goliath, Escher, and Orlock have gotten vehicles. That leaves Delaque, Cawdor, and Van Saar, as well as any support they may give Nomads or maybe possibly somehow Corpsegrinder Cult.
For AoS, we're a year and a half in by now and if they stick to the 3 year edition pipeline, they've got the other half of the factions to at least give a book. Of those...
Factions that have gotten little more than endless spells and maybe a character since AoS began:
Skaven
Flesh Eater Courts
Seraphon
Beasts of Chaos
Ogors
Cities of Sigmar
Brand new factions that have mostly new models but have only really gotten one release since AoS began:
Idoneth Deepkin
Daughters of Khaine
Kharadron Overlords
Fyreslayers
Ossiarch Bonereapers
Maggotkin of Nurgle
Desciples of Tzeentch
Factions that got a big update but still have a lot of old models that need some love:
Gloomspite Gitz
Soulblight Gravelords
Factions that are in a good spot and don't need much else other than a book if they haven't gotten one yet:
Stormcast Eternals
Sylvaneth
Lumineth Realm Lords
Blades of Khorne
Hedonites of Slaanesh
Nighthaunt
Orruk Warclans
Sons of Behemat
With the rate at which GW have been updating AoS, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the rest of 3rd edition and the whole of 4th edition to get big chunks of the model lines updated that really need it.
Overread wrote: I think the big thing with AoS is how much further off Cities of Sigmar are. GW has teased concept art for them and its clearly a huge release, but at the same time they can tease concept work and be far further along with actual design and production.
If Cities are close they'll either preview some stuff or AoS might feel a bit muted as things settle before the Cities storm.
If Cities is a long way off still then anything is game.
Kind of sad to not see AT appearing in the lineup. I still keep hoping that we see some movement there, though I worry that Necromunda doing so well might have stolen AT's thunder (and design and production slots).
Necromunda still has the Escher bikers to come so that's one thing that they might preview that could get a slot before Christmas or soon after.
I can’t see what about the Escher bikes they can preview, just rules or something you mean?
I think AoS could be good just to get a road map, then maybe models of the next closest.
Cities presumably further out as they said they’d update us along the way as we go. If they were then just coming out, that all seems a waste. Maybe some more parts shown, or even the first models actually ready etc.
Overread wrote: I think the big thing with AoS is how much further off Cities of Sigmar are. GW has teased concept art for them and its clearly a huge release, but at the same time they can tease concept work and be far further along with actual design and production.
This is what they said when they revealed Dawnbringer Crusades at Warhammer Fest in May:
We’ve even managed to procure a sneaky peek at some of the early miniature renders that the studio is working on right now.* These are some of the insignia, emblems, and symbols that will come with your models to demonstrate their rather macabre dedication to the God-King.
If we take GW at their word and these are early renders that were actually worked on in April or May, we can be fairly sure that we won't see a Dawnbringer Crusade release for another year. Sisters of Battle started getting substantial previews about half a year before the first release. The conservative take is that the upcoming preview is way too early to see anything for Dawnbringer Crusades that is of any substance. Adepticon or Warhammer Fest next year are better starting points for GW to show full models renders.
Marshal Loss wrote: Hoping for the rest of the World Eaters shown in one go.
I have a sliver of hope that this preview is to reveal a World Eaters launch box, then ship it just before Xmas. Then full guard release in January & full WE release in February.
Overread wrote: I think the big thing with AoS is how much further off Cities of Sigmar are. GW has teased concept art for them and its clearly a huge release, but at the same time they can tease concept work and be far further along with actual design and production.
This is what they said when they revealed Dawnbringer Crusades at Warhammer Fest in May:
We’ve even managed to procure a sneaky peek at some of the early miniature renders that the studio is working on right now.* These are some of the insignia, emblems, and symbols that will come with your models to demonstrate their rather macabre dedication to the God-King.
If we take GW at their word and these are early renders that were actually worked on in April or May, we can be fairly sure that we won't see a Dawnbringer Crusade release for another year. Sisters of Battle started getting substantial previews about half a year before the first release. The conservative take is that the upcoming preview is way too early to see anything for Dawnbringer Crusades that is of any substance. Adepticon or Warhammer Fest next year are better starting points for GW to show full models renders.
That is assuming that the early renders are brand new, and not just literal early renders, but from a while back. They were showing off early renders for World Eaters before the pics for them dropped, so Dawnbringer could be a lot further along in development, but they are just teasing with early stuff for now before they are ready to do a full reveal.
MajorWesJanson wrote: That is assuming that the early renders are brand new, and not just literal early renders, but from a while back.
That's literally what I said?
His point being the renders could have been done lot earlier(say last year) so actual models could be done by now and full release sooner than we think so they could appear now.
Sob took about 1.5 years(iirc) from first renders to release but dawnbringer could be shorter time even with same or even longer development time but previews done in different spacing.
You said it's too early. Maybe work is further than you think and stuff is already on printers or already printed and ready to ship?
I'm 99% percent sure that the whole cities range has been designed, painted and photographed. In fact it was probably all done before the first announcement. The current rumours are saying that the book will be out in the first half of next year, so the book was probably already finished in May. GW designers have said numerous times that the minis are done two years ahead of time with the books being finished a year ahead of time.
We saw the same thing with the World Eaters. Official teases of renders followed almost immediately by leaks from a finished book.
The minis that GW designers are working on now are for 4th edition.
Geifer wrote: So you're all assuming that when GW said this (emphasis mine) in the Warhammer Fest preview in May...
We’ve even managed to procure a sneaky peek at some of the early miniature renders that the studio is working on right now.
... they're just lying to us for no reason whatsoever? Alright then.
Beyond attributing malicious intent to anyone. It's very possible whoever write the articles for warcom/reveal event doesn't know or can't say anything about any finished products.
Wouldn't be the first time warcom is wrong about something. We all remember the Autarch fiasco
Geifer wrote: So you're all assuming that when GW said this (emphasis mine) in the Warhammer Fest preview in May...
We’ve even managed to procure a sneaky peek at some of the early miniature renders that the studio is working on right now.
... they're just lying to us for no reason whatsoever? Alright then.
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, though the reason is pretty obvious. They want to hype up a new project by giving some hints before unveiling the full range. The audience get bored if they see a new thing too early. A new Primarch is coming but after the initial excitement there's barely a ripple of anticipation left. The World Eaters thread is already full of disappointment. They have said numerous times that sculpting is finished two years before launch. I'm pretty positive that the sisters minis were finished by the time they started battle sister bulletin. The early design work they shared was exactly as it appeared on the final models, which strongly suggests that it was already complete and not actively being worked on. This doesn't bother me. It's all advertising, which you should never take at face value.
The Autarch situation is only comparable if you don't ask why Warhammer Community got it wrong. There was a clear conflict between miniature designers' intent for the models and the rules writers' execution of the unit entry. Warhammer Community conceivably went to the wrong source and didn't think to check with the other one. Shouldn't happen, but plausibly could happen. And since they made that mistake, it probably did.
Where's the conflict here? There's no other party involved than the miniatures designers. Either the marketing guys got the correct information from them and the sculptors were working on those renders at the time, or the marketing guys had no information relating to that whatsoever and no reason to include it.
Geifer wrote: So you're all assuming that when GW said this (emphasis mine) in the Warhammer Fest preview in May...
We’ve even managed to procure a sneaky peek at some of the early miniature renders that the studio is working on right now.
... they're just lying to us for no reason whatsoever? Alright then.
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, though the reason is pretty obvious. They want to hype up a new project by giving some hints before unveiling the full range. The audience get bored if they see a new thing too early. A new Primarch is coming but after the initial excitement there's barely a ripple of anticipation left. The World Eaters thread is already full of disappointment. They have said numerous times that sculpting is finished two years before launch. I'm pretty positive that the sisters minis were finished by the time they started battle sister bulletin. The early design work they shared was exactly as it appeared on the final models, which strongly suggests that it was already complete and not actively being worked on. This doesn't bother me. It's all advertising, which you should never take at face value.
There's a difference between marketing telling you the new army is the bestest ever and that the new plastic Thunderhawk is going to go up for a pre-order on Saturday and shows up in stores a week later. Advertising is a mix of facts and... alternate facts. Treating everything as the latter doesn't help if you're looking for information just as making everything the latter doesn't help in providing information to the customers.
As for the rest, well, you're certainly free to believe that.
No matter what you believe in we are away from the absolute silence before anything happens that we had for years in the past.
I welcome all these press releases.
For 40k I want Votann wave 2 and Tyranids.
For necromunda I want the huge vehicles nonsense to stop and see a new faction or maybe a hive city monster pack!
The vehicle nonsense is likely to go on for at least another nine months or so since three houses still need theirs, but with both the crawler resin upgrade and the fuel tank trailer coming as Monday previews, I think we won't see any large vehicle in this preview. Just another house vehicle. But we are thematically in the Ash Wastes now, so until the houses are wrapped up I wouldn't expect anything too far removed from that. At least not in plastic.
While this statement is true, I'd rather we get more of the Spiderfang side of things.
Yeah, we have 1 warband for night gobbos, 1 warband for trolls, so 3rd could be as well made of spider riders. Or there could be squig riders because why not?
While this statement is true, I'd rather we get more of the Spiderfang side of things.
Yeah, we have 1 warband for night gobbos, 1 warband for trolls, so 3rd could be as well made of spider riders. Or there could be squig riders because why not?
rumors say it's a labyrinth-style goblin band. I guess they mean goblins with more armor similar to the loonboss.
maybe also for AoS they announce that the next book is for goblins?
It's a white sigil being covered over in blood, set against a backdrop that looks remarkably chainaxe-y...I'd be shocked if it is not a World Eaters tease.
Kanluwen wrote: It's a white sigil being covered over in blood, set against a backdrop that looks remarkably chainaxe-y...I'd be shocked if it is not a World Eaters tease.
Outside chance of Corpse Grinder Cults though.
I can't see where the teeth would go, there isn't enough depth on the haft and head for them to loop round, so to me it looks like a static spiked axe. If the world eaters jakhuls or w/e and super possessed happen to be dual-system, it might be a conveniently timed khorne release for everyone.
Not sure if this is an indication for the preview but the finecast Phoenix Lords, and Illac Nightspear, are no longer on the GW site( at least for the UK ). Which is a bit odd because the Aspect warriors are still on there with only some( Hawks & Scorpions ) listed as "Temporarily out of stock".
So I read a few things that stated the bottom of the 2 looks very
much like the bottom of the Ravenguard symbol. Along with a Xmas box set, I have no idea wheat this means if true.
Yeah Beastmen or I suppose maybe Untamed Beasts for Warcry (they have an Underworlds warband already I suppose, though I get these two games mixed up though usually can't even remember the names of each game). Hopefully AoS Beastmen though.
So far Beastmen have been almost untouched during AoS - not to mention the last two beastman style models released went to destruction (not even the same grand alliance) and Slaves to Darkness. So it would be nice to see Beastmen get an actual update for their line instead of seeing models styled for their army going into other armies.
Which would then leave only Skaven as without any major updates, though they need more of a range update rather than new toys as they've already quite an extensive army roster.
Beastmen are in a peculiar situation for me, in that most of what I'd like to see updated for them are actually the perfectly adequate plastic kits.
But if they are going to be updated, then I agree that it needs to be a full 2010 Dark Eldar style approach, they can't leave anything behind. I'd rather they not get a rework at all unless GW commits to doing it properly; the last thing they need is a great big centrepiece character dropped in to make the rest of them look worse, a la Lord Kroak and the Seraphon
Looking forward to a new BoC clampack character. Need to free up some production capacity for the first wave of the second half of Loomies and DoK are looking a bit tired. Need an update I think.
3 days was Underworlds.
2 days was Khorne, World Eaters.
1 day is AoS looking and beast related makes sense.
Was there a 4 day that would have suited Necromunda?
Its not like the hints weren't super obvious that the gloomspite gitz in underworlds would be yet more moonclan, but I was really hoping for some spiderfang love
Overread wrote: So far Beastmen have been almost untouched during AoS - not to mention the last two beastman style models released went to destruction (not even the same grand alliance) and Slaves to Darkness. So it would be nice to see Beastmen get an actual update for their line instead of seeing models styled for their army going into other armies.
Which would then leave only Skaven as without any major updates, though they need more of a range update rather than new toys as they've already quite an extensive army roster.
Yeah it has the jagged sword and what looks to be a badmoon-topped staff. Mount looks very hefty, I'd like it to be a bray shaman on a huge boar but I'd confidently bet on Gobbo.
Tastyfish wrote: The corset-like waist and zigzag sword is quite reminescent of the Dark elves as well.
Yeah, the Executioners use swords that look like that. Those swords are two-handed, though, and it looks like the model in the silhouette is holding it's sword with one hand.
Khorn lord on Juggernaut
Something Necromunda Ash Wastes
The Dark Mechanicus model that was teased a little while ago.
Gloomspite Gitz for Underworlds
Khorn Not-Mutilators
The second one being a Dark Elve? Lol, never. Check the proportions, this is a Grot. Check the hat, same kind like the wolf riders have, just better because he has horns! There is even a moon in that silhouette, although I think that one might be an accident. The epic dreadfull executioner blade? It is some blade that a hummie has thrown away because it was bent like a boomerang and some hoblin warsmith did his best to restore the blade (by bending zigzag).
This is goblin peak performance here, stay away with edgy pointy ears!
'These are the core of what makes the world eaters special'
... the human close combat guys. That aren't that different from the necromunda butcher gang. Sigh.
Jugger lord looks good. But its hard to make a jugger look bad at this point.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Surprised the Juggerlord doesn't have an axe. Maybe there's one in the kit.
I'm sure he'll have loads of options like most modern characters.
Like maybe one of those chainglaives that some of the Eightbound are carrying. Guess the World Eaters found where all the Night Lords dropped theirs after the Heresy.
"Ok, Beastmen players. Here's a book. Here's a model. I guess he's a leader? Whatever. Now stop complaining. We've got more Aelelveslsl and weird Undread things to release."
The Goblins new book... has the same front cover as the current one? Is that normal for new AoS books?
Beastlord looks fine. I guess that's all they get though. Alright.
They keep mentioning stat buffs for AoS.... not sure how I feel about that given where 40k ended up.
Oh. Gobbo wolf riders. Didn't expect them for gloomspite.
Obviously a definite improvement over the old kit, but.. not sure. Something about the riders seems off. Too big? Hard to say from the angle.
GW really pushing the narrative stuff. I don't mind so much; it's one less strain on my wallet! A lot of players are more interested in narrative stuff, so this will be great for them.
'They put engines on space hulks to go recover... something.'
Enthralling.
So... pages 50-86 are rules for boarding actions. Which aren't for matched play. Or... any sort of play, actually. Just their own rules which aren't assigned to their weird divisive categories.
Which makes me wonder how they're squeezing 4 books out of this. (Winter to late spring)
cole1114 wrote: So the guy everyone thought was a dark mech character is actually an independent daemon demi-god of the forge.
Huh.
I'm excited to see how angry people get about his lore. Which actually hearkens back to the original Realm of Chaos books (Where in book 2 they actually generated a minor chaos power as an example), rather than the current '4 gods, (almost) no undivided, final destination.'
Model doesn't do much for me. I can see what they're going with it, but its almost devolves into a pile of over-used tropes from the current chaos line and Warmachine Cryx.
Well, that's it, barring a cheeky preview trailer that shows nothing. (And there wasn't one of those)
Cawdor wins.
Even a 'more complete' summary of arks of omen (with a table of contents) is still an empty void of nothing. Abaddon, forever looking for his next macguffin.
Nope. They're still not talking about systems they didn't advertise beforehand, just like all the other previews this year.
I kind of stopped paying attention to their day to day announcements. But I thought this one was billed as "something for everyone"
Nope. Even in the live video article itself:
A huge host of reveals are incoming right now for Warhammer 40,000, Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Underworlds, and Necromunda.
They don't do 'something for everyone' They do an hour long show, and the presenters tend to yammer. They can't cover everything, and they don't ever try (and 'huge host' is honestly a little stretchy with the truth, quite frankly)
cole1114 wrote: Also, honestly, Vashgorr's pose is just... SUPER boring. He's just like, standing there. Menacingly.
What looks boring to me was the use of generic Chaos Terminators for World Eaters. While great models they just don't fit the new aestetic GW pushing for WE. Anyone who markes some decent stand in or conversion parts will make a killing.
While it was sort of expected from all the rumors, I am sad that the WE stuff came true.
Not having unique cult terminators really sucks. Seems like that should be the bare minimum for a Cult Faction launch....
Arkifane and lore drops were very cool. Lays the groundwork for Dark Mech in the future. Going to guess that's either going to be one of the 10th starter factions or a 10th release.
New Omens may have Nids in the final book to lead into 10th as well if the rumors there hold up.
Sasori wrote: While it was sort of expected from all the rumors, I am sad that the WE stuff came true.
Not having unique cult terminators really sucks. Seems like that should be the bare minimum for a Cult Faction launch....
Arkifane and lore drops were very cool. Lays the groundwork for Dark Mech in the future. Going to guess that's either going to be one of the 10th starter factions or a 10th release.
New Omens may have Nids in the final book to lead into 10th as well if the rumors there hold up.
Thing is, they can just sell you the new WE models, and their book, invalidate it all for 10 E as some rumors suggest an 8th Ed style index reboot, then do a wave two with more new models, including cult termies and sell you another book. It's been their whole MO for years now.
Engineers in 40k usually have multiple appendages tipped with tools coming off them. This indicates their need for their toolkits to be on hand for their engineering needs. It's always function over form for 40k engineers, they'll willingly look like weird mechanical monstrosities if it means they can work more efficiently.
Vashtorr has none of that, he's just a daemon prince made out of mechanical parts. Nothing about him says "i toil in a workshop all day", he looks more like a dark mechanicus war construct purposefully created to be a host for a daemon - especially with the skin growing over the mechanical substructure of the model.
As for his Lore? Dammit Jim, he’s a Demi-god, not an engineer. He’s not Dark Mechanicum. He’s independent.
I might be picking up the model, because it’s gorgeous. Plus wide open for conversion and scratch build, given he forms a physical form only when necessary.
This was fun to wake up to. I absolutely love the two new Grot sets. They look like they will be so much fun to paint. I just wish there were more Gitmob units coming.
Scottywan82 wrote: This was fun to wake up to. I absolutely love the two new Grot sets. They look like they will be so much fun to paint. I just wish there were more Gitmob units coming.
There's at least one more Gloomspite mini on the way. This rumour engine isn't from any of the previewed minis.
Well that was interesting. The goblins and beastlord look ok, can't really comment on the minutiae as I don't really collect those.
The Khorne guys. As a concept, I love them, this sort of halfway between power and terminator armor... but, (this is a problem that plagues many a GW studio model, but is particularly egregious in Chaos) what is going on with the, lovely healthy-looking flesh these guys have? Based on the description, you would not think the regular versions of these were possessed at all. The exalted versions below are what I envisioned based on the description, but they still have the healthy flesh (there's only hints of it in the buzzsaw claw with the greyish flesh on one of them).
Why not have some ruddy red flesh like the Wrathmongers or Skarr Bloodwrath (both of which are roughly the same concept on display here)? This is most obviously a problem in GW's studio Death Guard scheme, but it appears to be infecting (heh!) every aspect of Chaos studio minis. Give these a good gore-soaked paintjob and I reckon people's opinion on them will change. Kit wise, I fear these are more Deathshroud than Exalted Sorcerers in terms of parts. Looks like a box of the aforementioned Wrathmongers/Skullreapers from AoS might need to be picked up to get some variation and/or stretch the parts from this box.
Jakhals look nice, but I fear this is another terrible value box like the regular garden variety Cultists kit. Look like they've got some interesting options. Maybe an eviscerator there and (my eyes might be deceiving me) but that big dude with the mace full of skulls looks to be on a larger base than the rest. Problem with that is, is every single unit will have this very distinctive-looking guy, a thing that many a modern kit suffers from due to them being monopose.
Jugger Lord looks decent. Not difficult to not go wrong there. Love the face on the Jugger in particular.
Now for the new DP. The Arkifane, or whatever his name is. Gut reaction is a thumbs up, the creepy face and the slightly too long limbs are perfect, but I'm not a fan of the wings, look far too much like some random Necron parts stuck on him at first glance (something to do with their silhouette). I see what they were going for, but they should have looked a bit more like the biomechanical wings on various Cryx models from Warmachine. Look at minis like Lich Lord Terminus, Denny3 or the Scavenger and Shrike bonejacks for what IMO the wings should have been like. If I ever get this guy, I'll leave them off and probably stick some of the Dinobot tentacles there to make some big mechanendrites. I'll reserve full judgement of the pose when I see a 360, as it looks a tad static, but it should be easily reposeable with easy to do daemon flesh melded with machinery.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Ok, Beastmen players. Here's a book. Here's a model. I guess he's a leader? Whatever. Now stop complaining. We've got more Aelelveslsl and weird Undread things to release."
The Goblins new book... has the same front cover as the current one? Is that normal for new AoS books?
New Wolf Riders are nifty.
So far most have got new covers and a couple have kept the old covers.
Fyreslayers, night haunt, skaven, sylvaneth kept old at least.
So not normal but not unheard either. Bit irritating but luckily it's just a cover and doesn't even indicate how much rules change. Nighthaunt for example went for big overhaul in rules and power.
Vashtorr worries me because if GW keep putting out a whole additional range of Dark Mechanum models like that I'm going to find it very very hard to resist. Tis an awesome model and honestly best of the ones released during this preview!
Really happy to see wolf riding goblins for the Gitz and hope we might see chariots and a few other things they lost in the shift to AoS slip their way back in too.
Beastmen getting a new leader is nice, not as nice as a range update, but its good to see them get a new solid model.
Overall really liking this wave of models! Chaos is certainly ending this year with a boom of releases in both AoS and 40K and with Worldeaters done this means surely that Slaanesh's take on Chaos Legions must be following (plastic noise marines approach!)
Vashtor looks great!
He will most definitaly find a home on my shelf even though I find the "wings" stupid.
Unlike Belakor he will probably be able to gather some followers instead of rejecting 90% of the chaos units at hand.
Also, the wolfriders look really nice. Just strangely sober next to the weird comic relief mushroom junkies of the nightgoblin clan.
Overread wrote: Vashtorr worries me because if GW keep putting out a whole additional range of Dark Mechanum models like that I'm going to find it very very hard to resist. Tis an awesome model and honestly best of the ones released during this preview!
We've been seeing the makings of a traitor guard army for years now and it hasn't happened.
I wouldn't worry about a Dark Mech army any time soon.
Vashtorr is excellent, I love the head and the spindly nature. I love the idea behind him. I would love to do a small army made of him and Chaos servitors that had realised what they had become and sworn to destroy the Imperium that created their hideous life. I think clearly the Dark Mechanicum will be part of his stuff. It seems that they would worship Vashtorr. I might turn him into a Tech Priest for my Admech.
The Cawdor walkers are excellent, hilarious little analogue of the original sentinel models. I definitely want some in time.
Also the Gloomspite Gits are brilliant, love the face of the one with the mushroom trumpet. The wolf riders are quite nice as well, nice advance on the old models.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Isn't ark of omens pretty much just a clone of broken realms? Down to each book being named after a character? If so, there's your lead in to tenth.
lord_blackfang wrote: Also really glad to see Cryx finally getting hard plastic kits, Warmachine Mk4 gonna be lit.
My first thoughts precisely. New Gaspy model is always welcome!
The eightbound look great, although I'm not enamoured with comedy clawed feet on the Exalted.
Scrapwalkers look great. Go Cawdor!!
The goblin stuff I like - nice to see the wolf riders make a comeback.
Ark of Omens - I like the broad idea - but 4 books?
You were expecting more? Seeing it says "rest of series" sounds there's more though.
Less than 4 was never realistic option anyway.
Actually, I thought 4 books was too much. I like the broad idea of interior battles, and sure, a narrative event to showcase it, but it seems spread thin.
Ok, so the first book has all the rules for boarding actions plus missions, so what the Hell is in the other ones? Rules for Vashtor in 3rd obviously, but that would be pretty thin.
No idea. I’m just hoping they’re not too expensive. I’m a right dirty slag for background, especially new background. But £25 for 16 pages is….pushing it. Around £20 I think I’d bite though.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Isn't ark of omens pretty much just a clone of broken realms? Down to each book being named after a character? If so, there's your lead in to tenth.
Apart from lack of matched play rules yea.
It was predictable release for the spring and the 10th in 2023 is hardly a secret
Actually, I thought 4 books was too much. I like the broad idea of interior battles, and sure, a narrative event to showcase it, but it seems spread thin.
If you expected end of edition supplement string to be less than 4 optimistic of you GW wants to print some money.
First the Cthonian Berserks and now these Eightbound and Jakhals.
"I'm going to show how angry and good at close combat I am by taking off my armor and clothes to show off my bulging oiled up muscles"
I dunno. Sounds pretty Slaaneshi to me.
GW has been moving towards giving subfactions a discrete visual design while cutting down on general purpose units shared between the subfactions of a faction. It's hardly universal, but quite apparent in Chaos armies.
As such they need their Khorne Cultists look to match World Eaters. Regular civilian clothing is more of a general Cultist thing, so that works for Undivided but not Khorne. Culty clothes also fit vanilla Chaos Marines, Word Bearers and Tzeentch more. Raggedy is a Nurgle thing, spikes and leather a Slaanesh thing. GW could have gone with more armor, what with Khorne being the war god and all, but I suspect they wanted to stay with unarmored Cultists instead of making them armored semi-elite troops that wouldn't really be Cultist rabble anymore.
Since it's Khorne berserkers are the go to choice. It fits the theme, it's dead easy to settle on on a Friday afternoon when everyone just wants to go home, and it's something GW does all the time and For Khorne and Chaos in their fantasy games. Dead easy and well practiced. Berserkers that don't have bare chests aren't very traditional about the whole berserker thing, so it's understandable that they're going with that. Mind you, that's guy berserkers. Girl berserkers keep their shirts on. Which, depending on your view of how Slaanesh should be handled, is either not very Slaaneshi because no boobs or not very Slaaneshi because no refined outfits. Either way, I can't say I'm getting any Slaaneshi vibes from these guys myself.
bullyboy wrote: Ok, so the first book has all the rules for boarding actions plus missions, so what the Hell is in the other ones? Rules for Vashtor in 3rd obviously, but that would be pretty thin.
It's only 500pts games so far. I reckon more scenarios for higher points values are easy filler. Combine that with environmental rules and they could at least fill the second book fairly easily.
I can't see how they'd stretch it further than that in any halfway meaningful way if they stick with boarding action as the rules' theme. They might move on to another environmental type as the narrative progresses.
There are a lot of dark angels vs world eater vibes going on. From the Eightfold's helmet trophy, to that shot of the world eaters fighting against them. I would have thought Grey Knights would have been the go-to army for a campaign, but maybe we'll get Azrael in the Angron Arks of Omen book
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Isn't ark of omens pretty much just a clone of broken realms? Down to each book being named after a character? If so, there's your lead in to tenth.
Yes. And with 15 pages of fluff per book.
That'll be $80x4 please.
14-40 would be 26 pages, not 15 (assuming everything on pages 30-39 are "Reprisals", and that's all background material).
Still not brilliant, but 66% better than you're presenting.
An "Introduction" going from page 3 to 14 is... weird. Might be there's some more background in there?
Olthannon wrote: Vashtorr is excellent, I love the head and the spindly nature. I love the idea behind him. I would love to do a small army made of him and Chaos servitors that had realised what they had become and sworn to destroy the Imperium that created their hideous life. I think clearly the Dark Mechanicum will be part of his stuff. It seems that they would worship Vashtorr. I might turn him into a Tech Priest for my Admech.
I won't be doing any Mechanicum, dark or light, but I will absolutely be getting Vashtorr when that kit is released. So, is $170 the expected price?
Kinda pity he replaces one of the best Beastmen model, though. Wish he was just update of current one in plastic and with modern proportions, that combination of chainmail and spiked leather looked really ace...
Sersi wrote: I'd say he's better than Dark Mechanicus...which we'll probably get eventually. An agent of the Forge of Souls, and Chaos Undivided.
Yup, I am tired of mountain after mountain of pointless, redundant chaos gak but fleshing out old, sorely lacking representation in fluff faction is one thing GW should be doing. Wish he looked more mechanical, though, like Maulerfiend, less like a human with random metal bits stuck on.
On a side note, Vashtorr is very specifically not daemon prince, or any of other things Valrak randomly rambled he will 100% be. That sure shut up the two joke Valrak sockpuppets (that polluted multiple thread pages gloating he was ""right"" when he presented stuff he stole without credit from actually reliable source) right quick, eh?
Olthannon wrote: Vashtorr is excellent, I love the head and the spindly nature. I love the idea behind him. I would love to do a small army made of him and Chaos servitors that had realised what they had become and sworn to destroy the Imperium that created their hideous life. I think clearly the Dark Mechanicum will be part of his stuff. It seems that they would worship Vashtorr. I might turn him into a Tech Priest for my Admech.
I won't be doing any Mechanicum, dark or light, but I will absolutely be getting Vashtorr when that kit is released. So, is $170 the expected price?
Going by size (80mm base IIRC), I'd guess Avatar of Khaine or void Dragon over Greater Daemon pricing
He's either right or you're "ignored" for being mean.
Or yet another example of Americans not understanding Brit/Aussie humour...
Yea, that's not it at all.
He just gets away with acting like an ass more than anyone around here because he has some tangential attachment to the gaming community at large because he writes here and there for games.
First the Cthonian Berserks and now these Eightbound and Jakhals.
"I'm going to show how angry and good at close combat I am by taking off my armor and clothes to show off my bulging oiled up muscles"
I dunno. Sounds pretty Slaaneshi to me.
GW has been moving towards giving subfactions a discrete visual design while cutting down on general purpose units shared between the subfactions of a faction. It's hardly universal, but quite apparent in Chaos armies.
As such they need their Khorne Cultists look to match World Eaters. Regular civilian clothing is more of a general Cultist thing, so that works for Undivided but not Khorne. Culty clothes also fit vanilla Chaos Marines, Word Bearers and Tzeentch more. Raggedy is a Nurgle thing, spikes and leather a Slaanesh thing. GW could have gone with more armor, what with Khorne being the war god and all, but I suspect they wanted to stay with unarmored Cultists instead of making them armored semi-elite troops that wouldn't really be Cultist rabble anymore.
Since it's Khorne berserkers are the go to choice. It fits the theme, it's dead easy to settle on on a Friday afternoon when everyone just wants to go home, and it's something GW does all the time and For Khorne and Chaos in their fantasy games. Dead easy and well practiced. Berserkers that don't have bare chests aren't very traditional about the whole berserker thing, so it's understandable that they're going with that. Mind you, that's guy berserkers. Girl berserkers keep their shirts on. Which, depending on your view of how Slaanesh should be handled, is either not very Slaaneshi because no boobs or not very Slaaneshi because no refined outfits. Either way, I can't say I'm getting any Slaaneshi vibes from these guys myself.
They're gagged, oiled up and muscled and taking tanks full of stimms. Yes, Slaaneeshi cultists would have less ridiculous swords, but the overlap is far more than it should be.
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The other aspect to the WE release is how its another example of GW designers being completely out of touch with each other. Techno Daemon Vashtorr is a strange reversal to the original chaos fluff (though with a new character): an independent daemonic entity that has no reliance on the Big Four, something that 40k writers have been systematically downplaying and eliminating for decades now. Yet at the same time, whoever was involved in this project felt they needed to chase the dragon into full Flanderization, and keep rejecting the idea that WE could be anything but crazed axe maniacs, to the point that everything is gone. Something that obviously doesn't happen to loyalist close combat chapters, and its something that wasn't in the original Khornate fluff, where mutations fused ranged weapons onto limbs and the bulk of daemon engines with cannons and guns were solidly khornate.
Somehow GW is going back to the original well for new stuff, but still making a farce out of the chaos factions that have been around the longest (and had a full army list with devastators, chaplains, and etc. from the word go)
Olthannon wrote: Vashtorr is excellent, I love the head and the spindly nature. I love the idea behind him. I would love to do a small army made of him and Chaos servitors that had realised what they had become and sworn to destroy the Imperium that created their hideous life. I think clearly the Dark Mechanicum will be part of his stuff. It seems that they would worship Vashtorr. I might turn him into a Tech Priest for my Admech.
I won't be doing any Mechanicum, dark or light, but I will absolutely be getting Vashtorr when that kit is released. So, is $170 the expected price?
I don't think he's that big. I'd guess closer to Void Dragon price and they are on the same base size. So around 115.
Olthannon wrote: Vashtorr is excellent, I love the head and the spindly nature. I love the idea behind him. I would love to do a small army made of him and Chaos servitors that had realised what they had become and sworn to destroy the Imperium that created their hideous life. I think clearly the Dark Mechanicum will be part of his stuff. It seems that they would worship Vashtorr. I might turn him into a Tech Priest for my Admech.
I won't be doing any Mechanicum, dark or light, but I will absolutely be getting Vashtorr when that kit is released. So, is $170 the expected price?
I don't think he's that big. I'd guess closer to Void Dragon price and they are on the same base size. So around 115.
Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
Complete speculation here but maybe something Eldar related since they always seem to get involved to be anti-Chaos? Maybe that could be how GW updates the Eldar range which still needs updating, in dribs and drabs by this kind of narrative based expansion?
Iracundus wrote: Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
Complete speculation here but maybe something Eldar related since they always seem to get involved to be anti-Chaos? Maybe that could be how GW updates the Eldar range which still needs updating, in dribs and drabs by this kind of narrative based expansion?
If it drops in the spring it might be the lead in for the op force for the 10th starter. There were Nid rumors for that.
A lot depends on the timing, and how accurate that old rumor is. It could just be a splash release of a character/unit/kill team.
Iracundus wrote: Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
And each book is named after a specific character, so what character could it be, and could it be an excuse to release an updated plastic character model? Like, Asurmen? Baharoth? Farsight?
None of these would necessitate new (matched play) rules, but would shift something from metal/resin into plastic.
TalonZahn wrote: He just gets away with acting like an ass more than anyone around here because he has some tangential attachment to the gaming community at large because he writes here and there for games.
You spend a weird amount of time discussing me rather than the topic. Go find something else to do. You'll be happier for it.
Iracundus wrote: Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
Complete speculation here but maybe something Eldar related since they always seem to get involved to be anti-Chaos? Maybe that could be how GW updates the Eldar range which still needs updating, in dribs and drabs by this kind of narrative based expansion?
Rumor is saying it may be Farsight... which could make some sense with the Arkifanes story. If it wasn't for the fact that Necrons were featured at the start of the edition, I would say it's one of their characters. Could easily have seen Szeras or Orikan, especially with that rumor mill that looks very much like a Necron.
Iracundus wrote: Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
And each book is named after a specific character, so what character could it be, and could it be an excuse to release an updated plastic character model? Like, Asurmen? Baharoth? Farsight?
None of these would necessitate new (matched play) rules, but would shift something from metal/resin into plastic.
TalonZahn wrote: He just gets away with acting like an ass more than anyone around here because he has some tangential attachment to the gaming community at large because he writes here and there for games.
You spend a weird amount of time discussing me rather than the topic. Go find something else to do. You'll be happier for it.
Merely a passing thought.
Put me back on Ignore please.
The 4th Omen in the Bible is the Devourer of the Earth. So either Nids' or World Eaters would be my guess.
1 - Chaos/Abaddon is back
2 - Demon appears
3 - War
First the Cthonian Berserks and now these Eightbound and Jakhals.
"I'm going to show how angry and good at close combat I am by taking off my armor and clothes to show off my bulging oiled up muscles"
I dunno. Sounds pretty Slaaneshi to me.
GW has been moving towards giving subfactions a discrete visual design while cutting down on general purpose units shared between the subfactions of a faction. It's hardly universal, but quite apparent in Chaos armies.
As such they need their Khorne Cultists look to match World Eaters. Regular civilian clothing is more of a general Cultist thing, so that works for Undivided but not Khorne. Culty clothes also fit vanilla Chaos Marines, Word Bearers and Tzeentch more. Raggedy is a Nurgle thing, spikes and leather a Slaanesh thing. GW could have gone with more armor, what with Khorne being the war god and all, but I suspect they wanted to stay with unarmored Cultists instead of making them armored semi-elite troops that wouldn't really be Cultist rabble anymore.
Since it's Khorne berserkers are the go to choice. It fits the theme, it's dead easy to settle on on a Friday afternoon when everyone just wants to go home, and it's something GW does all the time and For Khorne and Chaos in their fantasy games. Dead easy and well practiced. Berserkers that don't have bare chests aren't very traditional about the whole berserker thing, so it's understandable that they're going with that. Mind you, that's guy berserkers. Girl berserkers keep their shirts on. Which, depending on your view of how Slaanesh should be handled, is either not very Slaaneshi because no boobs or not very Slaaneshi because no refined outfits. Either way, I can't say I'm getting any Slaaneshi vibes from these guys myself.
They're gagged, oiled up and muscled and taking tanks full of stimms. Yes, Slaaneeshi cultists would have less ridiculous swords, but the overlap is far more than it should be.
Nah. they wear skull masks because skulls are Khorne's thing. They don't cover themselves to make it easier to spill blood in the name of Khorne. They're hooked up to blood tanks to get instant transfusions when they spill their own blood in the name of Khorne so they can keep spilling their own blood and harvesting more blood and skulls from their enemies in the name of Khorne.
It's cranked up, super focused Khorne fetish for maximum flanderization.
At this point I think GW needs to do something besides having Tyranids as the distant bad guy. It works well in a roleplaying setting, but when you have people investing in the character of the force it becomes a bit stale over time.
So I hope that the 4th book is a return to a new form for Tyranids along with the 10th edition starter. They truly need some TLC.
There was, however, a rumor indicating that the Lion and Farsight would be getting plastic sculpts in the coming year. I do wonder if they somehow play into all of this.
I could see Tau or Tau Auxiliaries being the big bad for a season. Whilst the mech suit side of Tau is well supported, the Kroot and Xenos side is really undersupported in the extreme. I could see GW focusing on that for an edition as a big story point of Xenos races flocking under the Tau banner; letting GW create lots of new one squad xenos forces for an auxiliaries force for Tau = perhaps similar to how Warcry works for Slaves to Darkness in AoS.
There's a lot of scope there for fresh creativity and diversity and pushing part of the story of the setting forward.
Overread wrote: I could see Tau or Tau Auxiliaries being the big bad for a season. Whilst the mech suit side of Tau is well supported, the Kroot and Xenos side is really undersupported in the extreme. I could see GW focusing on that for an edition as a big story point of Xenos races flocking under the Tau banner; letting GW create lots of new one squad xenos forces for an auxiliaries force for Tau = perhaps similar to how Warcry works for Slaves to Darkness in AoS.
There's a lot of scope there for fresh creativity and diversity and pushing part of the story of the setting forward.
I can't see Tau being the bad guys at all. If Farsight is the focus of the final book, I think it would be the Arkifane using their innovation to achieve godhood or step up.
The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
bullyboy wrote: The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
This can be interpreted as we'll have more on the 4th and as well as more news on the rest of the other books in the series. I don't think it necessarily implies that there are more books after these 4.
Only now saw these reveals. Yet more cultists, nice! I am really tempted to start a modest cultist based CSM force.. That's already how many plastic cultist kits, if we count the Kill Team Moroch & BSF ones? 5? 6?!
Just add one actual Chaos Space Marine as their leader.. In a suitable Cataprachtii/Tartaros TDA maybe
Tastyfish wrote: A little bit mad that they had a preview on Friday/Saturday but didn't mention a Dungeonbowl expansion was also out the following weekend.
Yeah, had there been any hint of that at all before today?
Iracundus wrote: Interesting that they say the 4th Ark of Omens book is going to be Xenos focused.
And each book is named after a specific character, so what character could it be, and could it be an excuse to release an updated plastic character model? Like, Asurmen? Baharoth? Farsight?
None of these would necessitate new (matched play) rules, but would shift something from metal/resin into plastic.
TalonZahn wrote: He just gets away with acting like an ass more than anyone around here because he has some tangential attachment to the gaming community at large because he writes here and there for games.
You spend a weird amount of time discussing me rather than the topic. Go find something else to do. You'll be happier for it.
Merely a passing thought.
Put me back on Ignore please.
The 4th Omen in the Bible is the Devourer of the Earth. So either Nids' or World Eaters would be my guess.
1 - Chaos/Abaddon is back
2 - Demon appears
3 - War
It took me years to figure out his communication style (I know, I'm slow) but nowadays I feel ICBM isn't mean-spirited; he just uses colorful language to communicate. Which IMO is pretty preferable to individuals who always crop up using such language and very much meaning it (not referring to you or anyone in particular, to be clear).
bullyboy wrote: The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
This can be interpreted as we'll have more on the 4th and as well as more news on the rest of the other books in the series. I don't think it necessarily implies that there are more books after these 4.
bullyboy wrote: The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
This can be interpreted as we'll have more on the 4th and as well as more news on the rest of the other books in the series. I don't think it necessarily implies that there are more books after these 4.
well it's GW. Books for the profit god.
While true, they also tend to lose focus very quickly and let more than one great thing/game/arc/etc die on the vine.
They are about the quick hit, FOTM, boost profit now and not long term.
As long as they keep hitting that mark over and over, with ever increasing prices, they don't need to support or sustain any one thing long term.
bullyboy wrote: The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
This can be interpreted as we'll have more on the 4th and as well as more news on the rest of the other books in the series. I don't think it necessarily implies that there are more books after these 4.
well it's GW. Books for the profit god.
I hold out hope that they do them more like the AoS campaign books, which have been a joy so far*.
*OK Thondia's rule content wasn't worth the paper it's printed on, but the fluff & art made up for it.
bullyboy wrote: The 4th book is not the final book. There are more planned beyond that, so I very much doubt that the Xenos race will be setting up 10th as the new big bad.
From WHC
The fourth book will be a distinctly xenos affair, however. We’ll have more on that next year, along with news on the rest of the series
This can be interpreted as we'll have more on the 4th and as well as more news on the rest of the other books in the series. I don't think it necessarily implies that there are more books after these 4.
well it's GW. Books for the profit god.
I hold out hope that they do them more like the AoS campaign books, which have been a joy so far*.
*OK Thondia's rule content wasn't worth the paper it's printed on, but the fluff & art made up for it.
No way of knowing about the art yet, but the index page leaves me with the impression that this series is going to be more Psychic Awakening than Gathering Storm. If we're unlucky, we won't even get a full story out of it and it's just a setup for the current state of things like Psychic Awakening was.
My opinion on the quality of GW books hasn't changed, but if it had, Arks of Omen looks like something I'd still be wary of buying.
Geifer wrote: My opinion on the quality of GW books hasn't changed, but if it had, Arks of Omen looks like something I'd still be wary of buying.
Yeah, no real reason this couldn't be one really big book, with full boarding action rules and a complete story. A modern-day Warhammer Siege expansion.
