There was interest in the gladiators in the original thread. Only Games now has them for sale as 3d prints at $10 for the eight figures. No Xenophon as of yet. Since I could not get a more specific URL, here's the product name for when the link below becomes something else. Spartacus Revolt Gladiators https://only-games.co/products/new-product-2
That should be in the digital thread, this thread is for the physical releases aka the HIPS plastic.
In regards to the physical plastic kits, got my Ooh Rah the other week and they're fantastic. Love that blog post, very large and very clear pictures of all the components, they're even better quality than the official ones on the WGA website
Checking the release schedule, looks like a lot of things are still scheduled for mid/late january and we're running short on time. Nothing I'm holding up projects for, but I'm looking forward to that German Sentries kit for Pulp Alley baddies, so many good options in there. I love Nazis, they're like hitmen. No matter what you do to em, you don't feel bad.
Kalamadea wrote: That should be in the digital thread, this thread is for the physical releases aka the HIPS plastic.
I know but before the original thread was split, I said I'd post when Only-Games put the Gladiators in their store. After all, subscribers already know about it, so there' no point in posting in digital. So it won't happen again.
Kalamadea wrote: That should be in the digital thread, this thread is for the physical releases aka the HIPS plastic.
In regards to the physical plastic kits, got my Ooh Rah the other week and they're fantastic. Love that blog post, very large and very clear pictures of all the components, they're even better quality than the official ones on the WGA website
Checking the release schedule, looks like a lot of things are still scheduled for mid/late january and we're running short on time. Nothing I'm holding up projects for, but I'm looking forward to that German Sentries kit for Pulp Alley baddies, so many good options in there. I love Nazis, they're like hitmen. No matter what you do to em, you don't feel bad.
Actually, we would prefer that the only games links get mentioned here, as they are technically a physical product.
That being said, they are physical versions of the digital releases, so it makes sense most discussion about the models themselves take place in the digital thread.
Ancestral Hamster wrote: There was interest in the gladiators in the original thread. Only Games now has them for sale as 3d prints at $10 for the eight figures. No Xenophon as of yet. Since I could not get a more specific URL, here's the product name for when the link below becomes something else. Spartacus Revolt Gladiators https://only-games.co/products/new-product-2
Thanks for this. I will keep my eye out for Xenophon as well.
You would be too if you saw your best mates head turned into mist by an exotic alien projectile because he whacked his shin on a space-coffee-table whilst running for cover and had to start hopping.
Got my ogres today. 5 boxes. They are a little smaller than I was hoping for, but still nice. Here is a pic of one I quickly put together on break... Also pictured, a Mantic ogre, A GW ogre, a GW special ogre (forgot his name) and a resin Ogre I got on Etsy.
Theophony wrote: Do they come with 50mm bases? I was thinking of getting a sprue to make an ogre for my Nobility Blood Bowl team as these have the pouffy sleeves.
No, no bases included. The one in the picture is on a 40mm round base. The mantic one is on a 50.
Theophony wrote: Do they come with 50mm bases? I was thinking of getting a sprue to make an ogre for my Nobility Blood Bowl team as these have the pouffy sleeves.
No, no bases included. The one in the picture is on a 40mm round base. The mantic one is on a 50.
The WA ogres are more petite than I expected, as I thought they were as tall as the GW ogres, but I guess they would still work together, but head swaps might not.
I can't get past the hands on that ogre. I didn't think fingers so flat and squared were still possible with injection moulding of the last fifteen years.
I have a question, are the arms for the oorah keyed to specific bodies? If so, which arm numbers go to which body?
The reason I ask is I started assembling some last night and was seeing gaps where the arm meets the webbing that seem wider than on the other wargames Atlantic kits I've built. So I assume I have made a mistake.
Having recently assembled some myself, there does seem to be a few different combos per torso, just gotta dry fit every arm. Certain arms that cause gaps on one weapon may not on another.
The Space Nam figures do not do much for me, except maybe to make some 28mm Fallout style supermutants. But I can see how they might be very useful to others. I like the Ooh-rah more than I was expecting but more as Space Cops than Space Marines.
Smokestack wrote: Got my ogres today. 5 boxes. They are a little smaller than I was hoping for, but still nice. Here is a pic of one I quickly put together on break... Also pictured, a Mantic ogre, A GW ogre, a GW special ogre (forgot his name) and a resin Ogre I got on Etsy.
Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
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On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
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On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
No, you are fine. I was clarifying as we had been misidentified early on in the last thread.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
The comparison between the two companies is what makes it relevant here or are we unable to say that the plasma guns of the raumjagers are similar to those of GW's cadians, because GW is a different company?
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On a different note, the Space Nam are certainly large compared to most 28mm scale human sized soldiers, but the details seem to be rather nice.
No, you are fine. I was clarifying as we had been misidentified early on in the last thread.
I was seeking to point out the similarities as well as the differences. I must admit to being a curious person.
So, here's a scale shot of a leaping harvester , a landskneckt ogre, and a rough conversion I made with a hobby knife and a poor lizardman transplant donor.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
And that is news to me as well. I was unaware Eureka did it 20 years ago. However my point was not that “preorders are new or not”, I was more pointing to the specific number of 1000. Several people have speculated on what connections may exist between the now out of business Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic. It has been established that they are different companies with different CEOs/managers but speculation remains.
Also, some folks interpreted the original Vox Populi program to require 1000 votes before production would commence, such as it appears was the case with Wargames Factory from that wiki entry. WGA has subsequently clarified and said 1000 votes just put it to the head of the production line and all items announced as in development were scheduled to be eventually produced. At least that is how I currently understand it. If I am wrong it would be great for Wargames Atlantic to clarify.
Hence my post and why I felt it was relevant to post in this thread. The pay for votes Vox Populi has been contentious. I would like to see some of the unease about it reduced.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
And Eureka did it like 20 years ago with the '100 club' etc, iirc. Taking preorders to gauge interest isn't a new idea, even in miniatures. S&S still do it as well I think.
And that is news to me as well. I was unaware Eureka did it 20 years ago. However my point was not that “preorders are new or not”, I was more pointing to the specific number of 1000. Several people have speculated on what connections may exist between the now out of business Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic. It has been established that they are different companies with different CEOs/managers but speculation remains.
Also, some folks interpreted the original Vox Populi program to require 1000 votes before production would commence, such as it appears was the case with Wargames Factory from that wiki entry. WGA has subsequently clarified and said 1000 votes just put it to the head of the production line and all items announced as in development were scheduled to be eventually produced. At least that is how I currently understand it. If I am wrong it would be great for Wargames Atlantic to clarify.
Hence my post and why I felt it was relevant to post in this thread. The pay for votes Vox Populi has been contentious. I would like to see some of the unease about it reduced.
How is there speculation? Wargames Atlantic is not Wargames Factory. They are different companies, run by different people.
I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad, why are you writing in that strange form of mixed capitals text? Are you trying to imply something? What exactly would that be?
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
For those concerned about a possible connection to Mark Mondragon, I would point out Dreamforge releasing their Grav Stug independently rather than through WGA and Only Games (MMF) as evidence of some distance between him and WGA.
Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
Unlike Wargames Factory, Wargames Atlantic are shipping product on the regular, pretty transparent about where sets are in production timeline, not spinning everything they do as "REVOLUTIONARY!!" and not running crowd funding campaigns.
In a short amount of time Wargames Atlantic already has an impressively deep catalogue (much larger than Wargames Factory ever was) and has knocked it out of the park on many releases. In addition there is buckets of evidence from reliable posters and business filings etc. that they are different companies.
Gallahad, why are you writing in that strange form of mixed capitals text? Are you trying to imply something? What exactly would that be?
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
For those concerned about a possible connection to Mark Mondragon, I would point out Dreamforge releasing their Grav Stug independently rather than through WGA and Only Games (MMF) as evidence of some distance between him and WGA.
The alternating caps was used to.imply the take was low IQ and or deranged.
You are dispelling no rumors. YOU started the rumor. You came into the thread with the wacky "Did you know they also picked the number 1000! Same as WGF! How interesting... " You started the rumor bud. And you won't stop mentioning it.
You got me on the number of kits though. I don't read the WGF wiki and was just going off memory.
Thankfully we both agree that Wargames Atlantic is great and we both hope they release many more kits.
Gallahad wrote: I think it is probably best to just ignore the hot conspiracy takes that amount to "ThEy ChOsE tHe SaMe NuMbEr Of VoTeS aS oThEr CoMpAnY!!!"
That seems to be as deep, if not deeper, catalog than WGA at 38 (including the bases set and the loose accessory sprue) unless I am missing something. Or are you including the STL side of things? I mention it because it was something I learned reading that wiki. I had not realized WGF had made so many kits.
I realize that evidence dug up by other people has already established WGF and WGA are different companies but when I try to promote WGA it is often brought up by people in conversation that they wonder about the similarities between the appearance of the companies and products. I seem to recall Mark Mondragon (aka Nosegoblin) said here on Dakka Dakka in the earlier WGA news and rumor thread at one point that WGA is neither WGF nor Dreamforge but merely used some of the same artists.
Yet some folks want to know more about what, if any, connections exist between WGA and both WGF and Dreamforge. Or if WGA is some sort of evolution of what was formerly WGF. Sort of like how Fallout has been made by an evolution of companies and original designers who worked for various different companies in that evolution.
Think of it as rumor control. Putting rumors to bed and dispelling concerns. I have broadly promoted WGA and been very active on their forum. I want to see WGA do well and there is plenty of evidence of that. I believe the best way to deal with rumors or concerns is to dispel them with more than just “we are different companies”, such as explaining why specific similarities exist.
WGA has nothing to do with WGF.
WGF started under another owner (union league days) who ran into some issues I will not cover here... They then were taken over by the tool maker in China, the same folks I partnered with to get the kick-starter done. WGF then later decided to get out of mini's to do more profitable ventures, sold IP and molds to another company (not WGA) and that was the end of WGF.
WGA is run by a totally unrelated person. I license my kits to WGA for production and he primarily makes his own line of kits... Given the limited time of WGA in this space, he is doing stellar work in quantity and quality.
That does not seem a very gallant way of expressing your point Gallahad. To be clear, I did not start the rumors. In fact I pointed out that the two programs may appear similar on the surface but are in fact different. Unless WGA corrects me.
However are right, I am not dispelling the rumor, I am seeking for people with information who can.
Mark, thank you for shedding some light to help explain what has transpired. That hopefully does help dispel the rumor. As they say, knowing is half the battle.
I take it that other company the Chinese company sold designs to will be Warlord Games.
WGF made some good designs and I am glad to see the designs live on. Wargames Atlantic makes some good designs and I hope they make many more, for a very long time.
Edit: Let me also add, having clarity on who people are (and their past business projects) when making business decisions is essential to good decision making.
I never got that hatred for WGF anyways. It was a good company at its time with some great product and people involved. All issues were caused by one guy, who messed everything up and, after being forced out, ripped people of with his next venture, Defiance Games.
As long as Tony isn't involved in WGA, I have no concerns and only sympathy for both company's.
Back on topic - early WW2 german PAK, eh? Will probably be nice, but I would have proffered a figures set. Such guns are not needed in huge numbers and have been available for years in different mediums by many companies. This is an item I would have rather seen as an STL, then in HIPS. Good luck with it!
Grumpy Gnome wrote: Speaking of reminiscent… I came across this wiki today and learned a bit of Wargames Factory history I was unaware. I noticed the 1000 preorders to put something into production “Liberty and Union League”. This seems very similar to the new 1000 votes to get a kit to the front of the production line program of WGA.
There may be similarities as both companies are or were miniatures manufacturers.
The companies are completely different entities, full stop.
Now, moving onwards:
That sounds very definitive yet does not really explain similarities.
So are you saying WGA does not use any of the artists as Wargames Factory did?
That WGA did not use the same Chinese production company as Wargames Factory did before WGA moved production to the USA?
What about Defiance Games? I had forgotten about them, thank you for the reminder Garfield666.
There does appear to by stylistic similarities between WGA‘s Harvesters - Alien Bugs and Defiance‘s Alien Bugs Hudson‘s Bugs Drones. Was the same artist employed? Waś WGA merely inspired by the Defiance design? Was it merely a coincidence?
There are also some design similarities between the WGA Ooh-rah designs and the Defiance Marines, as well as to a lesser degree the Eisenkern and Raumjaeger to Defiance Panzer Grenadiers.
It seems unlikely that there is zero connection and all these similarities are a mere coincidence but if that is the case I would like WGA to very clearly state that. If WGA employed the same artists (such as Tim Barry or Max Martelli) as either Defiance of Wargames Factory, that seems fine with me but others may not agree and either way I believe transparency is the best way to increase consumer confidence.
Edit: I think a WGA kit with a PAK 36 scaled to match the other WGA WW2 figures as part of it could do well. Certainly as well as any of their other WW2 German kits.
Grumpy Gnome, have you ever stopped to consider you may be overthinking matters?
Either buy Wargames Atlantic products or don't.
When it comes to 'Bugs', you may as well ask if they are linked to Games Workshop or Verhoeven's design team for Starship Troopers.
As for "but others may not agree and either way I believe transparency is the best way to increase consumer confidence."
You appear to be the first person since the Raumsjager were released to ask for 'transparency' so I'm not sure where "others may not agree" comes from.
Grumpy Gnome, have you ever stopped to consider you may be overthinking matters?
Either buy Wargames Atlantic products or don't.
When it comes to 'Bugs', you may as well ask if they are linked to Games Workshop or Verhoeven's design team for Starship Troopers.
As for "but others may not agree and either way I believe transparency is the best way to increase consumer confidence."
You appear to be the first person since the Raumsjager were released to ask for 'transparency' so I'm not sure where "others may not agree" comes from.
I like to have more information before making decisions rather than making assumptions. Hence I ask for clarity. I care enough to openly ask directly. WGA can chose to answer or not. That said, yes many times folks have told me that I care too much, think too much and wear my heart on my sleeve. That is what it is to be a Grumpy Gnome.
The WGA and Defiance Bugs are certainly more similar to each other aesthetically than the GW products or Verhoeven‘s Arachnids. In particular the head/face. There are of course some stark differences, like the number of legs. And there generic features that do appear on alien bugs from many companies such as GW… the sharply pointed ends of their limbs. But the head and face does strike a certain similarity.
The Marines share at the very least two features some folks have complained about on the Ooh-rah figures, the rolled up sleeves and the thigh straps. Personally I do not mind the thigh straps but I do wish at least some of the arms had the sleeves rolled down in the WGA kit.
WGA did not ned to come in here to clarify anything.
However In this thread they have repeated that they share no association with WGF.
In a public (ish) forum.
Its on record.
It is irrelevant if artists and sculptors have worked with WGF defiance or others in the past. (WGA are probably treating these individuals and companies better anyway)
Bugs and marines are the tropiest tropes out there. If there weren't similarities they wouldn't be Bugs or Marines.
Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
Its not if so. It is.
WGA seem nice, they may provide that info. But it may be commercially sensitive information.
Just remember you are not entitled to any information on artists and the products and services they provide to WGA.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
Its not if so. It is.
WGA seem nice, they may provide that info. But it may be commercially sensitive information.
Just remember you are not entitled to any information on artists and the products and services they provide to WGA.
I do not claim entitlement but I do not see the harm in asking. Hudson Adams provided some nice transparency recently in a Wargames Illustrated interview regarding the WGA STL program. I would like to see more of that kind of transparency. I have been supportive of WGA for quite some time and that is easy enough for anyone to check up on.
I do not make assumptions of malice in regards to WGA. I would hope no one would make assumptions of malice on my part for asking questions.
It is easy enough to politely clarify my questions in a friendly manner. I realize reading tone on the internet is challenging so I may be off base here but there seems a bit of hostility in some these posts from folks regarding me asking these questions.
If WGA hired artists that previously worked for Defiance or WGF or any other company and subsequently worked for WGA and updated/modified/changed/ were inspired by their previous design that would of interest for me to know. The development of the Fallout Ip fascinates me and I am curious about a potential corollary in wargame miniatures design. At the same time such information from WGA can help kill rumors that some people still wonder about.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
I'm not saying this because I know something, just an outside, uninformed observation... Even GW stopped acknowledging individual artists after the Chapterhouse lawsuit because it left open a legal argument about 'ownership' and caused a good portion of their case to get tossed.
I would suspect, its more about branding and cohesion this IS WARGAMES ATLANTIC not WGA starring .... and.... and.... and if I had independent modelers working for me, I would think long and hard about how I put that out there. There are just a ton of issues that can arise when there is no need to even go there.
The only reason I have billing is because they were existing kits, they are my IP and most people know the mini's.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Haven’t they said they hired artists and sculptors who previously worked with WGF? So the similarities aren’t any more sinister than the similarities between Mantic’s Enforcers’ weapons and Sedition Wars’ weapons, resulting from Mantic hiring the same artist as McVey.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
I'm not saying this because I know something, just an outside, uninformed observation... Even GW stopped acknowledging individual artists after the Chapterhouse lawsuit because it left open a legal argument about 'ownership' and caused a good portion of their case to get tossed.
I would suspect, its more about branding and cohesion this IS WARGAMES ATLANTIC not WGA starring .... and.... and.... and if I had independent modelers working for me, I would think long and hard about how I put that out there. There are just a ton of issues that can arise when there is no need to even go there.
The only reason I have billing is because they were existing kits, they are my IP and most people know the mini's.
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A well reasoned and valid point diplomatically presented.
As it seems the topic of discussion, the similarities in name and sprue design would originally given alot of people pause, myself included. Not because it involved the Defiance games 'character' but more likely the same Chinese factory. I've since heard they have moved production back to the west, which makes me more inclined to purchase their products, but there will need to be something that comes up as a 'need' rather than a want (which doesn't mean a new product, just perhaps a new project on my part) before I commit the time to do the proper research to ensure production is in fact made east of the Pacific.
I'm not saying this because I know something, just an outside, uninformed observation... Even GW stopped acknowledging individual artists after the Chapterhouse lawsuit because it left open a legal argument about 'ownership' and caused a good portion of their case to get tossed.
In the UK at least, I think that's why Lucasfilm lost the Stormtrooper armour case and why the branding "Original Stormtrooper" now exists on lots of products that will never see Star Wars on the packaging.
Anyhoo, I skipped the Ooo Ra but am eagerly awaiting the Landsknecht Ogres so I can build them up as The Vain. I think I even have some Curious Constructs pith helmet Ogre heads left over from earlier projects.
Then there are still four boxes of Bulldogs to kitbash/ convert/ mix n match with the new Cadians and hopefully a box of Harvesters on the way. In fact, what do I have to look forward to once I'm back home in May?
1. Finishing off my Last Chancers inspired Cannon Fodder conversions now that the female Fodder are at home.
2. Printed Cannon Fodder civilian parts.
3. Printed human Death Fields Security.
That list only gets bigger if The Damned come to Only-Games for printing.
I'm not saying this because I know something, just an outside, uninformed observation... Even GW stopped acknowledging individual artists after the Chapterhouse lawsuit because it left open a legal argument about 'ownership' and caused a good portion of their case to get tossed.
In the UK at least, I think that's why Lucasfilm lost the Stormtrooper armour case and why the branding "Original Stormtrooper" now exists on lots of products that will never see Star Wars on the packaging.
Yet other manufacturers seem quite able to do so. Looks like if you have proper contracts in place making it clear artists are signing over their rights (and being paid appropriately to do so) it doesn't seem much of a problem.
Yet other manufacturers seem quite able to do so. Looks like if you have proper contracts in place making it clear artists are signing over their rights (and being paid appropriately to do so) it doesn't seem much of a problem.
GW's policy of not listing artists was supposedly an online safety thing, rather than a consequence of the Chapterhouse case. And the Stormtrooper thing was a rights issue stemming from the original design commission. While there are certainly some parallels there to the issues with GW's historical handling of art rights that were brought up during that case, it's a completely separate issue to naming artists on their work.
But, again, none of that is particularly relevant here, since WGA does list their artists for each product on their webstore.
If so, why not give the artists some public acknowledgment?
They have sculptor and artist credits on their online store for each product.
You're making a big deal out of nothing, here.
Well, it would seem I have been making something of a fool of myself in that regard. Someone could have pointed out earlier for example that WGA lists Thieu Duong as the sculptor of Ooh-rah and Harvester sets. As you are quite correct Insaniak, WGA does indeed list that. Thank you for clarifying that for me Insaniak.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: . Someone could have pointed out earlier for example that WGA lists Thieu Duong as the sculptor of Ooh-rah and Harvester sets.
Someone could have pointed out to you? Interesting take.
In all of your research, did you not go to the actual Wargames Atlantic website and read either the product pages or the News updates?
I have been on the Wargmes Atlantic website, and numerous other websites, extensively. I overlooked the sculptor entry on the catalog entry of each product page. Sometimes the simplest things get overlooked by me because despite my dislike of assumptions I occasionally make them. Mea culpa.
That said I have been unable to ascertain if Thieu Duong was the artist for the Defiance Bugs and Marines for example. I suppose I will never know.
It would seem this line of inquiry has alienated me from several people on these forums however and will desist. Lesson learned.
My intent was not malicious but in hindsight not phrased diplomatically enough. Again, lesson learned.
Yeah, the industry really isn't that big. You'll find the same names cropping up in all sorts of places. It's not usually a sign of anything nefarious.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, the industry really isn't that big. You'll find the same names cropping up in all sorts of places. It's not usually a sign of anything nefarious.
So... New models, eh?
The new releases page indicates the Ogres and Harvesters could be on a ship ti Blighty by first week of March.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: . Someone could have pointed out earlier for example that WGA lists Thieu Duong as the sculptor of Ooh-rah and Harvester sets.
Someone could have pointed out to you? Interesting take.
In all of your research, did you not go to the actual Wargames Atlantic website and read either the product pages or the News updates?
I have been on the Wargmes Atlantic website, and numerous other websites, extensively. I overlooked the sculptor entry on the catalog entry of each product page. Sometimes the simplest things get overlooked by me because despite my dislike of assumptions I occasionally make them. Mea culpa.
That said I have been unable to ascertain if Thieu Duong was the artist for the Defiance Bugs and Marines for example. I suppose I will never know.
It would seem this line of inquiry has alienated me from several people on these forums however and will desist. Lesson learned.
My intent was not malicious but in hindsight not phrased diplomatically enough. Again, lesson learned.
You could see if he has a Facebook page and message him.
Grumpy Gnome wrote: . Someone could have pointed out earlier for example that WGA lists Thieu Duong as the sculptor of Ooh-rah and Harvester sets.
Someone could have pointed out to you? Interesting take.
In all of your research, did you not go to the actual Wargames Atlantic website and read either the product pages or the News updates?
I have been on the Wargmes Atlantic website, and numerous other websites, extensively. I overlooked the sculptor entry on the catalog entry of each product page. Sometimes the simplest things get overlooked by me because despite my dislike of assumptions I occasionally make them. Mea culpa.
That said I have been unable to ascertain if Thieu Duong was the artist for the Defiance Bugs and Marines for example. I suppose I will never know.
It would seem this line of inquiry has alienated me from several people on these forums however and will desist. Lesson learned.
My intent was not malicious but in hindsight not phrased diplomatically enough. Again, lesson learned.
You could see if he has a Facebook page and message him.
No need to give us the answers or updates though.
I cancelled my Facebook account a few years ago. It is not a platform I care to support anymore despite once being a big fan of its convenience. But I do appreciate the suggestion.
As the mod Insaniak has pointed out, my query is not relevant here and will discontinue it. However I felt it only polite to reply to you Theophony as you took the time to post the suggestion.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, the industry really isn't that big. You'll find the same names cropping up in all sorts of places. It's not usually a sign of anything nefarious.
So... New models, eh?
Looking forward to the field guns. Having a cheap source of artillery platforms for things from 40k Rapier Batteries to Guard Autocannons to actual WW2 models will be fantastic.
Got to say I love the Ooh-Rah and Harvester Bugs......they hit just the right marine/bug aesthetic to me. I've been really looking to cut down my number of projects though, as I don't have time for nearly all of them, but I may just offload a different one to get the gears turning on some bug hunting action.
Sabotage! wrote: Got to say I love the Ooh-Rah and Harvester Bugs......they hit just the right marine/bug aesthetic to me. I've been really looking to cut down my number of projects though, as I don't have time for nearly all of them, but I may just offload a different one to get the gears turning on some bug hunting action.
I'd love to see any photos you have of the bugs...I haven't quite gone over the edge for them, but I think I could be convinced.
You could see if he has a Facebook page and message him.
No need to give us the answers or updates though.
I cancelled my Facebook account a few years ago. It is not a platform I care to support anymore despite once being a big fan of its convenience. But I do appreciate the suggestion.
As the mod Insaniak has pointed out, my query is not relevant here and will discontinue it. However I felt it only polite to reply to you Theophony as you took the time to post the suggestion.
I don't think it's a good or bad thing, but count me as one interested party who would appreciate you posting to here any info about the past work of any WGA sculptor. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who is interested in seeing the past work and artistic progression of sculptors/designers whose output I like.
You could see if he has a Facebook page and message him.
No need to give us the answers or updates though.
I cancelled my Facebook account a few years ago. It is not a platform I care to support anymore despite once being a big fan of its convenience. But I do appreciate the suggestion.
As the mod Insaniak has pointed out, my query is not relevant here and will discontinue it. However I felt it only polite to reply to you Theophony as you took the time to post the suggestion.
I don't think it's a good or bad thing, but count me as one interested party who would appreciate you posting to here any info about the past work of any WGA sculptor. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who is interested in seeing the past work and artistic progression of sculptors/designers whose output I like.
Feel free to share whatever you find.
I have decided to generally withdraw from online discussion. Hence I have deleted a number of threads and posts on this and other forums as well as heavily trimmed my blog. However, as you have referenced me directly Eilif I decided it would be impolite to not reply and inform you that I am not be in a position to share information any more.
Sabotage! wrote: Got to say I love the Ooh-Rah and Harvester Bugs......they hit just the right marine/bug aesthetic to me. I've been really looking to cut down my number of projects though, as I don't have time for nearly all of them, but I may just offload a different one to get the gears turning on some bug hunting action.
I'd love to see any photos you have of the bugs...I haven't quite gone over the edge for them, but I think I could be convinced.
If I do end up picking some up I will definitely post some pics. I’ve seen quite a few pics and even a video of the Ooh Rah, but unfortunately nothing on the bugs yet.
Those look great! I haven't personally picked up any WGA stuff yet, but every time I see an in person picture I'm really shocked at how sharp the detail is. Really nice looking Ogres there.
Sabotage! wrote: Those look great! I haven't personally picked up any WGA stuff yet, but every time I see an in person picture I'm really shocked at how sharp the detail is. Really nice looking Ogres there.
You can check my profile for my painting blog, the guild myrmidian. Several photos of painted ogres in there, if you want to see other head options, etc in detail.
Sabotage! wrote: Those look great! I haven't personally picked up any WGA stuff yet, but every time I see an in person picture I'm really shocked at how sharp the detail is. Really nice looking Ogres there.
Thanks. Every wga sprue I have picked up has been great. I also have spiders, lizardmen, space dwarves and an unbuilt couple of space nam still NOS.
Has there been any indication that WGA will put the "kits in progress" spreadsheet back up? The Vox Populi was cool but it feels like it's spread too thin to make a huge change in direction. I was intending to throw money at the Afghan Cavalry but it feels like it would be a waste right now as I don't need any else at the moment besides the Afghan and maybe Conquistador Cavalry.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I think all the announced kits are now shown on the vox populi pages (42 entries by my count)
although having a link to them under the release list would be good as some folk aren't going to realise where they've gone
I'm referring to the old "in progress" list to see if something was still being sculpted, layout, re-designed, etc. I'm just curious how many more years we are going to be waiting for some kits. The Afghan Cavalry was announced at previewed in September 2020.
When they first showed a close up of the pouch, I was leaning towards a Death Fields Russian themed kit but that weapon looks like the version on The Vain.
privateer4hire wrote: Agreed. Plus no filing down the foofee pants if you want sci-fi ogres
The foofee pants aren't a bother as mine are going to be aligned with my Ventrillian Nobles.A bit of frill aligns with the Helmet feather on the troops.
If (still an if) there is a pure Sci fi Ogre set on the horizon, I'm glad I only went for one box of the Landsknecht Ogres.
I’m just hoping they will be boxed physical plastics instead of stl
3D printing is great but I won’t be getting them if they’re just files or prints. I actually enjoyed building my sprue set of fantasy ogres and I normally hate building and painting
Definitely looks like ogres. I got 5 boxes of the Landsknecht ogres. Would get a box of this. I can use the 1 billion spare landsknecht parts on these...
I wonder why another box of ogres so soon though. Guess that means Ogre box 1 was successful. But if these are being announced does this mean its being added to the Vox Populi thing or outside of it. Though I doubt it really matters as we are 3 months in and the highest ranking set has 104 votes...
I do hope for some female ogre torsos and heads in this months digital release though. I have a box of Ogres saved just in case.
The proportions and the ripper gun screams Ogre to me. The weapon looks like the teased Troll renders. So I'm cautiously optimistic for armored Chaos Trolls.
It is crazy that the Ogre's sprue only has two medieval combat weapons but 3! sci Fi guns. Very disappointing and whacky choice. They did the same thing with the Lizardmen.
Stopped me from buying both.
EDIT: THE ABOVE IS TOTALLY WRONG! THERE IS A WHOLE SPRUE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. KIT MAKES SENSE!
Gallahad wrote: It is crazy that the Ogre's sprue only has two medieval combat weapons but 3! sci Fi guns. Very disappointing and whacky choice. They did the same thing with the Lizardmen.
Stopped me from buying both.
The ogre set has two different sprues and far more than 2 medieval weapons.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/landsknecht-ogres What I don't know is how many of the accessory sprues come in the box. Anyone care to share that info?
Ogres come on two sprue per 3 figures. Several archaic weapon options spread across both sprues including great sword, pole arms, dagger/short sword, black powder pistols and two handed guns.
lord_blackfang wrote: Prophecy tells those ogres (december 2022 release) might even reach the EU someday.
Sarissa has sent them out to the UK. I believe mine have arrived (say believed as a Sarissa labelled box has arrived at home while I'm in the Far East fir the next two months).
They cover the EU distribution for Wargames Atlantic don't they? If so, my fingers are crossed for you. Not in a sarcastic fashion either.
We happily announce the Wargames Atlantic Spring Painting Competition 2023. This is open to projects using any of our figures, including digital and plastics.
John D Law wrote: So they weren’t ogres /vain after all. Had my doubts on that anyway. Seemed more human now we know they are 👍. Space renegades/traitor guard!
Y'all, there have been 4 teasers images of 3 separate kits over the last few weekly newsletter.
2 looked like infantry
1 looked like ogres
This newest one looks like heavy weapons and gives us a look at heads.
We are seeing multiple kits.
Also
As a way to show how physicals can interact perfectly with the digital side:
Master of the house of Darts. Mainly the Wargames Atlantic plastic Aztecs with a printed head from the digital sacrifice diorama and a back banner from the digital back banner kit.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: i doubt it sadly as most 40K lists (and thats clearly where they're coming from) need vehicles too even if they don't need any more specialist units
That's true, but relatively low-distribution proxy vehicles are not really ideal project for plastic injection molding these days.
If (and it's a big if) WGA gets into vehicles it will almost assuredly be via 3d printing.
It's not even a big need these days as the 3d printing world is awash in very nice, affordable 40k proxy vehicles. Lots of great options already available for any of the Death Fields factions.
Posted on facebook, first look at the plastic 'mob' WGA are hopefully going to be producing for Gangs of Rome (and which will then be available as a WGA box)
Shadow Walker wrote: Those roman gangsters could be useful for some generic bandits/cultists.
I've funded the project to get my hands on these and some of the metal models. They are perfect for low level player characters/mooks in any kind of ancient or conanesq ancient fantasy setting.
I just wish they would make enough to consider doing a female kit as well. (I don't know that they have a plan for this, but a man can dream lol)
Give a few of them pistols and rifles, and they'd make for a pretty decent 30K or Unification Wars militia, too, given the classical allusions of the Imperial Army forces of that era,
Shadow Walker wrote: Those roman gangsters could be useful for some generic bandits/cultists.
I've funded the project to get my hands on these and some of the metal models. They are perfect for low level player characters/mooks in any kind of ancient or conanesq ancient fantasy setting.
I just wish they would make enough to consider doing a female kit as well. (I don't know that they have a plan for this, but a man can dream lol)
There's a few metal female models from the original line already. However, if it's a PYO plastic female kit you want, I agree.
So If anyone is interested in the new romans, but hasnt pledged for the gangs of rome kickstater, you may want to- at £75,000 they plan on making a female kit. And good Gods, plastic women are hard to come by.
Greetings Tribes Legion,
We have recieved a number of awesome entries to our spring painting competition. It is great to see you printing, painting, and enjoying our digitial kits. Also those working on plastics projects using our products!
Please take a moment and check out the main rules thread to see the categories available. We encourage ALL who want to paint to enter, even if you don't paint to the highest standard.
If you enjoy painting, use the contest as motivation to try a new technique or method. Remember: Its not a pile of shame, its a pile of opportunity.
Submissions are due by 4/15/23, so if you are interested in entering the painting competition, you only have a few weeks left to submit your photos.
There are single model and group categories.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/community/xenforum/topic/85784/wargames-atlantic-presents-spring-painting-contest-2023 See the link above for more information.
John D Law wrote: So they weren’t ogres /vain after all. Had my doubts on that anyway. Seemed more human now we know they are 👍. Space renegades/traitor guard!
Someone on FB though that these were Reptilian Overlords sculpting and WGA was making them into plastic. They don't look quite the same but I think the RO bits would mix in really nicely.
I'm not particularly impressed by pawning off 3d prints in lieu of actual multi-part plastic kits.
Like, I wish the best for your company, and in general I'm a fan - but I'm not very interested in 3D prints, and I'd much prefer to just be alerted when an actual new plastic kit shows up.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm not particularly impressed by pawning off 3d prints in lieu of actual multi-part plastic kits.
Like, I wish the best for your company, and in general I'm a fan - but I'm not very interested in 3D prints, and I'd much prefer to just be alerted when an actual new plastic kit shows up.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm not particularly impressed by pawning off 3d prints in lieu of actual multi-part plastic kits.
Like, I wish the best for your company, and in general I'm a fan - but I'm not very interested in 3D prints, and I'd much prefer to just be alerted when an actual new plastic kit shows up.
Its not pawning off.
Plastics are a physical product. Physical prints sold of our digital designs sold by Only-Games are a physical product.
They are two separate categories based on material, but they are both physical products.
If this is the physical release thread, releases available in physical form (regardless of category) will be posted here. If @Kid_Kyoto or the mod team says otherwise, the official Wargames Atlantic account will adjust where posts are made based on the mod teams decision.
A good idea But seriously, digital and 3D should be in the same thread. Here we should have only HIPS.
This makes no sense. Digital was moved away because people without printers didn't want discussion domonated by items they had no access to, but this limitation does not apply to prints on demand. Who, then, should prints on demand be marketed to, if not the people who don't have printers and so follow only the physical thread?
I honestly get both points.
But would you consider MP3 downloads physical media because you can burn them on a CD?
So, what's new on the HIPS front? I am looking forward to many sets that were sculpted years ago and have been put on the back burner it seems... bring us some news please
Garfield666 wrote: I honestly get both points.
But would you consider MP3 downloads physical media because you can burn them on a CD?
So, what's new on the HIPS front? I am looking forward to many sets that were sculpted years ago and have been put on the back burner it seems... bring us some news please
Not the same thing.
Only Games sells the customer a physical product not the stl files to print out yourself or go to a third party printing service.
As for HIPS products, I believe WA were going to announce the next preorder once the current gang of plastic products were in the shops.
Hopefully that might be in May as it looks like the SAS and German sentries are estimated to be out by the end of April.
Garfield666 wrote: I honestly get both points.
But would you consider MP3 downloads physical media because you can burn them on a CD?
The correct analogy would be exactly opposite: is a CD not a physical item because the music was recorded digitally?
An even closer analogy would involve a company that was burning cds as they are ordered rather than having them mass produced. What you get is still a physical CD.
'Physical product' doesn't just mean 'plastic'... metal and resin models are also physical products, and 3d printing is ultimately just resin produced by a newer process. Print-on-demand is increasingly going to replace traditional resin and metal production.
We don't separate any other manufacturer into separate threads for each different material they use, so I don't see any reason to do so here.
Garfield666 wrote: I honestly get both points.
But would you consider MP3 downloads physical media because you can burn them on a CD?
So, what's new on the HIPS front? I am looking forward to many sets that were sculpted years ago and have been put on the back burner it seems... bring us some news please
If someone else, licensed by the record firm, is doing the burning... yes. It's what you usually call "buying a CD".
Print on Demand is as much a way to do business as producing everything from a single location.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm not particularly impressed by pawning off 3d prints in lieu of actual multi-part plastic kits.
Like, I wish the best for your company, and in general I'm a fan - but I'm not very interested in 3D prints, and I'd much prefer to just be alerted when an actual new plastic kit shows up.
Its not pawning off.
Plastics are a physical product. Physical prints sold of our digital designs sold by Only-Games are a physical product.
They are two separate categories based on material, but they are both physical products.
If this is the physical release thread, releases available in physical form (regardless of category) will be posted here. If @Kid_Kyoto or the mod team says otherwise, the official Wargames Atlantic account will adjust where posts are made based on the mod teams decision.
Well, I think i did come in too harsh initially, and I am sorry about that.
That said, I'm still not really keen on seeing these two things (resin prints and hard plastic kits) as equivocal. Sure, you can get the resin prints as a physical product, but it's not a far different comparison to Games Workshop plastic kits vs resin/fine cast. Sure they are both types of physical models, but the one that gets people excited is the hard plastic kit - and for good reason, they are so much easier to work with for conversions, stronger/more durable bonds between individual pieces using plastic, typically plastic being the stronger material is something falls of the table, etc.
When I think of WGA, I still think of the company I initially got very enamored with, a new and exciting plastic kit company doing things nobody else was. I'm happy for any successes you guy have with you 3d printed arm of things, but I'm not sure that posting links to places you can get those designs printed out from are really any different from the regular old digital links...
considering the link provided is just the arm of my minifactory that provides physical 3D prints.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm not particularly impressed by pawning off 3d prints in lieu of actual multi-part plastic kits.
Like, I wish the best for your company, and in general I'm a fan - but I'm not very interested in 3D prints, and I'd much prefer to just be alerted when an actual new plastic kit shows up.
Its not pawning off.
Plastics are a physical product. Physical prints sold of our digital designs sold by Only-Games are a physical product.
They are two separate categories based on material, but they are both physical products.
If this is the physical release thread, releases available in physical form (regardless of category) will be posted here. If @Kid_Kyoto or the mod team says otherwise, the official Wargames Atlantic account will adjust where posts are made based on the mod teams decision.
Well, I think i did come in too harsh initially, and I am sorry about that.
That said, I'm still not really keen on seeing these two things (resin prints and hard plastic kits) as equivocal. Sure, you can get the resin prints as a physical product, but it's not a far different comparison to Games Workshop plastic kits vs resin/fine cast. Sure they are both types of physical models, but the one that gets people excited is the hard plastic kit - and for good reason, they are so much easier to work with for conversions, stronger/more durable bonds between individual pieces using plastic, typically plastic being the stronger material is something falls of the table, etc.
When I think of WGA, I still think of the company I initially got very enamored with, a new and exciting plastic kit company doing things nobody else was. I'm happy for any successes you guy have with you 3d printed arm of things, but I'm not sure that posting links to places you can get those designs printed out from are really any different from the regular old digital links...
considering the link provided is just the arm of my minifactory that provides physical 3D prints.
Hi there. No apologies necessary. I just wanted to address your concern.
1. No one said plastic and resin miniatures are equivocal. They are two separate types of physical Miniatures.
2. My mini factory's only-games is our licensed/partnered dealer of physical models from our Atlantic digital line. I don't understand what point your last paragraph is trying to make. Could you please clarify?
3.
When I think of WGA, I still think of the company I initially got very enamored with, a new and exciting plastic kit company doing things nobody else was
Emphasis via bolding my own. Wargames Atlantic is a miniatures company. Wargames Atlantic has not stated that it is a plastics exclusive miniatures company the company expanded to make use of a popular alternative production method, 3D printing.
For those without printers, Wargames Atlantic offer physical prints through a licensed vendor. This is prevalent across the industry, however Wargames Atlantic has initially chosen only-games as a single provider of physical models.
This is in contrast to an option more prevalent in the 3D printing world: that of a merchant license available to multiple merchants, with limited potential input on quality of finished product sold to end users.
but the one that gets people excited is the hard plastic kit
If this were true, resin would not be a viable material for miniatures in terms of marketability.
I tend to agree, if a company is selling physical prints then it should go here, it's not plastic sprues but it is a physical product anyone can order and get.
When Mantic or Northstar do resin add on packs do we need a different thread?
Whew, alot of mental gymnastics and sneed here...
In the end I don't care. I like WA and have most of their kits. I am looking forward to their future HIPS stuff, but I have zero interest in this thread anymore, that has mostly STL stuff or advertisement for a company that does overpriced printouts for brits.
This thread offers nothing the Friday email by WA doesn't offer earlier.
Garfield666 wrote: Whew, alot of mental gymnastics and sneed here...
In the end I don't care. I like WA and have most of their kits. I am looking forward to their future HIPS stuff, but I have zero interest in this thread anymore, that has mostly STL stuff or advertisement for a company that does overpriced printouts for brits.
This thread offers nothing the Friday email by WA doesn't offer earlier.
This thread is a discussion thread for news related to Wargames Atlantic physical products.
The Friday newsletter is one of the ways HQ releases news/news-related info like teaser images.
Is every digital offering going to be offered as a 3D print? If so, why did you even separate the threads if you’re just going to double post everything here?
I thought the whole point of separating the threads was to avoid killing interest in Wargames Atlantic’s primary product, the plastics. By filling the thread with noise, you destroy its purpose.
Why not simply add a reminder in the it of the digital thread that they can be printed via Only Games? A single sentence appended to every new promo image could serve notice that they will also be available as a 3D print. Or you can change this thread to Wargames Atlantics HIPS Releases. Something to retain customer interest.
By reposting all of the digital files (printed now!) here, aren’t you negating any benefit to making a separate thread for Digital news and rumors?
That said, I'm still not really keen on seeing these two things (resin prints and hard plastic kits) as equivocal. Sure, you can get the resin prints as a physical product, but it's not a far different comparison to Games Workshop plastic kits vs resin/fine cast. Sure they are both types of physical models, but the one that gets people excited is the hard plastic kit - and for good reason, they are so much easier to work with for conversions, stronger/more durable bonds between individual pieces using plastic, typically plastic being the stronger material is something falls of the table, etc.
So it actually is exactly like GW, then, as all the HH, Necromunda and AT threads show: what gets people excited is the plastic kits, and disappointment sets in when they are told that a release is in resin.
So that's 3 kits spoiled so far for this faction, looks like WGA is going all in on renegade guard. And just when the HH army list for it came out
While the things they have shown seem nice, I do wonder when any of this will actually appear in the wild.
To be honest it seems like they have lots of logistical issues even with their digital releases so we will likely see a GW traitor guard codex/supplement before these renegades reach plastic.
While the things they have shown seem nice, I do wonder when any of this will actually appear in the wild.
To be honest it seems like they have lots of logistical issues even with their digital releases so we will likely see a GW traitor guard codex/supplement before these renegades reach plastic.
Yeah, I'm in that same boat. I've been waiting on their Afghan Cavalry for over a year myself. It was digitally previewed in September 2020 with a sprue shown in 2021 but since then, crickets. I love their stuff but I wish they would bring back the production timeline for upcoming products.
While the things they have shown seem nice, I do wonder when any of this will actually appear in the wild.
To be honest it seems like they have lots of logistical issues even with their digital releases so we will likely see a GW traitor guard codex/supplement before these renegades reach plastic.
Yeah, I'm in that same boat. I've been waiting on their Afghan Cavalry for over a year myself. It was digitally previewed in September 2020 with a sprue shown in 2021 but since then, crickets. I love their stuff but I wish they would bring back the production timeline for upcoming products.
Just to note: Wargames atlantic is currently moving to a different production schedule. They are ramping up to one box release per month, according to Hudson on facebook.
The wait on plastics seems to be mixed between that and your standard delays of revisions, engineering, and freight shipment of various things.
Just to note: Wargames atlantic is currently moving to a different production schedule. They are ramping up to one box release per month, according to Hudson on facebook.
The wait on plastics seems to be mixed between that and your standard delays of revisions, engineering, and freight shipment of various things.
Didn't they also move to a production supplier east of the Pacific? I seem to recall that being a thing but could be mistaken. If so I can see there being a delay to new sets actually being produced as the new supper gets up to speed.
Just to note: Wargames atlantic is currently moving to a different production schedule. They are ramping up to one box release per month, according to Hudson on facebook.
The wait on plastics seems to be mixed between that and your standard delays of revisions, engineering, and freight shipment of various things.
There have always been delays from the start due to how they handled their pre-order system.
Hudson has mentioned that they would change to a roughly same time pre-order system where stock is allocated and distributed before the ordering starts in order to reduce the amount of times people in certain regions take 4, 5 or 6 months to get their pre-orders or their orders with stuff that went out of stock (waiting periods based on complaints from users of the Wargames Atlantic forum).
The issue seems to be that despite owning the production now on the US, they still have no real logistics planning in place to prevent things from going out of stock for a quarter of the year and that has affected the new releases more than the natural time that needs to be spent on the several stages before something is released.
The main issue with the company seems to be that they try to do a lot of stuff at the same time, but they are not experienced or capable enough to handle everything.
Hopefully this situation will improve but for now not even the digital deliveries can be expected to be on time, so even the logistics of digital files need to be improved.
While the things they have shown seem nice, I do wonder when any of this will actually appear in the wild.
To be honest it seems like they have lots of logistical issues even with their digital releases so we will likely see a GW traitor guard codex/supplement before these renegades reach plastic.
Yeah, I'm in that same boat. I've been waiting on their Afghan Cavalry for over a year myself. It was digitally previewed in September 2020 with a sprue shown in 2021 but since then, crickets. I love their stuff but I wish they would bring back the production timeline for upcoming products.
Just to note: Wargames atlantic is currently moving to a different production schedule. They are ramping up to one box release per month, according to Hudson on facebook.
The wait on plastics seems to be mixed between that and your standard delays of revisions, engineering, and freight shipment of various things.
I missed that post, but at this point I have given up on this kit ever coming out. Between other kits that were shown at the same time already coming out (but based on the old schedulethis kit stayed in sculpting hell), the left field kits like the new Brits that were teased, and the complete lack of out interest from the Vox Populi, I don't see why WGA would waste time coming back to this kit now even though there was a physical sprue shown.
And just to add tone to my post, I'm not mad. I'm aware that businesses have to make hard decisions. I'm just let down is all as there is a lack of good non-armored cavalry that fit perfectly for what Im looking for. But I am also aware I'm just a single customer and based on the Vox Populi, noone else is interested in this kit. I would be excited about the new Rebel line that is being teased but again, we have no clue how long we will have to wait till a release.
I know these not-Traitor guys are meant to be regimental troopers wearing the same uniform, but given their ragged n' ratty look, I'm wondering how well they will scale and kitbash with the Broken from Maelstrom's Edge.
People should read the whole thing but this is the big news probably regarding the renegade guard of which we've seen at least 3 kits teased in Friday newsletters
Secret Project
We’ve been hard at work on a secret project in partnership with a well-known tabletop gaming content brand. The goal of the project is to do something we’ve never done before and bring out an entire Death Fields army in one shot through a crowdfunding campaign. And by army we mean 6+ hard plastic sets in one shot! We’ll be making an announcement about this soon but we’re within a few weeks of launch so you’ll be hearing a LOT about it.
lord_blackfang wrote: People should read the whole thing but this is the big news probably regarding the renegade guard of which we've seen at least 3 kits teased in Friday newsletters
Secret Project
We’ve been hard at work on a secret project in partnership with a well-known tabletop gaming content brand. The goal of the project is to do something we’ve never done before and bring out an entire Death Fields army in one shot through a crowdfunding campaign. And by army we mean 6+ hard plastic sets in one shot! We’ll be making an announcement about this soon but we’re within a few weeks of launch so you’ll be hearing a LOT about it.
Get yer wallets ready!
Infantry.
Command/ Heavy weapons.
Ogres.
Cavalry.
Split Command & Heavy into two sets rather than follow the Les Grognards example gives five kits.
Different types of Infantry for example a standard set of traitors plus a more 'elite' unit? Think Blood Pact as Tempestus equivalent vs standard Renegades.
Yea so I've been disparaging the whales who are gonna buy 50 boxes of GW chaff to build Horus Heresy Militia (and probably not even unwrap 49 of them) but here I am, ready to buy the whole range if Atlantic is doing a Kickstarter.
If a gamer is after a large sci-human army, a 24 - 30 model box for around £25 is a no-brainer especially if said gamer is not reliant on a GW store for gaming and isn't interested in tournaments.
Well. infantry, cavalry and HWT are 3. Assuming separate command instead of grognard we would be at 4 kits?ogres`5
To be a fully fledged army, it would then require a transportation vehicle. 6. A mbt 7. A reconnaisance vehicle/ and or artillery 8.
Also i think those drummag shotguns are ogre equivalents due to the detail being not present on the leg armor on the infantry and cavalry (talking about the small screw dots)
Assuming of course they follow the rough outlines of modern combined arms and army forces. Alternativly we could see an elite infantry kit instead of reconnaisance?
Not Online!!! wrote: Well.
infantry, cavalry and HWT are 3.
Assuming separate command instead of grognard we would be at 4 kits?ogres`5
To be a fully fledged army, it would then require a transportation vehicle. 6. A mbt 7. A reconnaisance vehicle/ and or artillery 8.
Also i think those drummag shotguns are ogre equivalents due to the detail being not present on the leg armor on the infantry and cavalry (talking about the small screw dots)
Assuming of course they follow the rough outlines of modern combined arms and army forces.
Alternativly we could see an elite infantry kit instead of reconnaisance?
As I mentioned earlier, I was thinking along the lines of a Blood Pact type or a Renegade Tempestus equivalent.
Since they have sculpted an Italian Carro Veloce 33 tankette (if only for digital release), there's a chance of a light scout vehicle like a dune buggy or trike. That assumes this is a sci-fi release. If fantasy or pre-gunpowder era historical, I could see this as:
I. Heavy line Infantry {Roman legionaries, Macedonian Phalangites, Chinese Warring States Infantry with polearms, or similar units who would have been the backbone of a force}.
II. Missile troops.
III. Command with bodyguard unit. {Anglo-Saxon King with Huscarls, Sengoku era daimyo with yojimbos and similar}
IV. Cavalry.
Like lord_blackfang, I think this might be a two sides of the same period/war release, so then the above would be mirrored.
I doubt it will fit historical modes of combat. Looks like you’ll get chaotic/post-apoc troops, HW/command, ogryns and cavalry from the images released so far. Speculation on the other four items seems to fit the “whole army in one campaign” mold rather than the “two forces starter box” mold, but who knows?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I doubt it will fit historical modes of combat. Looks like you’ll get chaotic/post-apoc troops, HW/command, ogryns and cavalry from the images released so far. Speculation on the other four items seems to fit the “whole army in one campaign” mold rather than the “two forces starter box” mold, but who knows?
Actually, I agree on the sci-fi aspect based on the previews. However, since there is no confirmation on the genre, I was speculating on other possibilities.
privateer4hire wrote: While this is all interesting, the real question is: “When are the Quar going to be available?”
That was my question too but then I stumbled into a whine bunch of metal Quar for a good price. Might not even use them all -and I'll probably spring for a few plastic- but my Quar needs have been well seen to.
Looking closely at the silhouette and based on some of the visual cues I think it is vaguely possible we're looking at some sort of spiky evil human army.
Ok, Im gonna fall. Female infantry and command squad are the correct guesses, and the other 2 remaining kits are a Men Chaos Rabble and female Chaos Rabble
Looking closely at the silhouette and based on some of the visual cues I think it is vaguely possible we're looking at some sort of spiky evil human army.
I'd go for "not-Vraks so much cheaper than the now OOP Forgeworld version coming at the right time for the Heresy Militia list " army.
Ok, Im gonna fall. Female infantry and command squad are the correct guesses, and the other 2 remaining kits are a Men Chaos Rabble and female Chaos Rabble
Female versions of those guys seem rather unnecessary, given that their costume is bulky and ill-fitting enough to hide body shape and their faces aren't visible. It's possible there will be some more scantily-clad 'rabble' which come in male and female varieties, but the basic infantry don't look like they need different models for different genders.
I suspect that the correct guesses were command (seems like a sure thing) and a vehicle (a bigger leap, but it's a very broad category, including small stuff like buggies, scout walkers, etc.)
One of the sneak peaks (upper right next to the cavalry) has a shell which seems too big for a standard mortar. Possibly some kind of larger artillery piece? Could either be a carriage-mounted weapon or a vehicle.
Other possibilities: midget scout-snipers, mutants (possibly bestial mutants), animals (probably dogs), special characters (like psis or assassins), or more vehicles.
My guesses (something of a wish-list, really) are going to be command squad (possibly including options for medics, enforcers, and psis), a large multi-purpose vehicle kit (which can build an APC, light tank, or SPG), midget snipers, and mutant attack dogs (which will be the one they didn't expect to be guessed).
Regardless, I'm almost certainly going to back this and try to get at least one of every kit. The previews look absolutely fantastic.
Is anyone else curious about which company they are partnered with for this? Style-wise, looks like it could be Anvil Industry.
my question is not which company, so long it is not an outright scumba company, my question is, when can i shovel money in low ammounts (considering average WGA pricing) down their throat and get my unskilled mittens on the pieces of plastic.
I'm mildly curious to see how partnering with another company will affect the price per standard human figure. It's not at all unaffordable, but they hit $2 each with Space Nam.
I assume the partner's desire for figure options (affecting how many will fit in a box), profit sharing and desire not to completely undercut the price of their existing lines could all figure into it.
I mean, it doesnt have to be all full vraks heads, i bet therell also be enough unmasked heads for a full unit, with mutations and the such.
I thought about vehicles too, with a transport around there, but WA doesnt seem very interested on releasing vehicles, am i right?
Alltho, i coincide about dogs and chaos rabble options where they could put a feminine variant, one of those two might actually be on the final project.
vehicles (decent ones anyway) will need a lot more sprues/sprue space than troops so would need to be sold for a higher price,
and may well be less popular than troops in terms of how many boxes you'll sell to each buyer, also meaning a higher price
and based on what Hudson has said were the challenges in getting the US casting folk up to speed and able to match what the previous Chinese casters were able to do, giving them something where the sprues and plastic flow will be significantly different from what they can now do probably means a lot more time getting that aspect of things right too
so i think it's not so much a lack of interest more a sensible business move for now (but if the KS does well that might give them the leeway to bypass these issues, if not immediately but maybe on a subsequent one to add vehicles to a 'complete' line of troops)
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Sweet! I can see many not Blood Pact armies in the future.
Eilif wrote: I'm mildly curious to see how partnering with another company will affect the price per standard human figure. It's not at all unaffordable, but they hit $2 each with Space Nam.
I assume the partner's desire for figure options (affecting how many will fit in a box), profit sharing and desire not to completely undercut the price of their existing lines could all figure into it.
The space nam price was not up to Wargames Atlantic. That was a reptilian overlords decision, as it is their kit. Wargames Atlantic manufacturers it.
I mean, it doesnt have to be all full vraks heads, i bet therell also be enough unmasked heads for a full unit, with mutations and the such.
I thought about vehicles too, with a transport around there, but WA doesnt seem very interested on releasing vehicles, am i right?
Alltho, i coincide about dogs and chaos rabble options where they could put a feminine variant, one of those two might actually be on the final project.
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I hope this isn't a limited run because as soon as I financial recover from this month's bills, I want that.
Crap. I went big on Zombicide and was saving for the next Assassin's creed kickstarter, but I will likely spend my Assassins creed money on the WA kickstarter. Oh, well...
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Sweet! I can see many not Blood Pact armies in the future.
Get me the codex department please:
Hey, Joe. It’s Pete. Looks like a US company is going to make some very affordable chaos humans in plastic in the next few months or maybe a year.
Yeah. I know. It could really mess up our FOMO strategy.
People buying from anywhere else but us is a nonstarter.
What do we do?
Why we nerf bat the hell out of any army that could use them and make more marines.
Okay. Oh, while I have you on the phone, what does the AI think about our idea to make editions only valid for two years…
Eilif wrote: I'm mildly curious to see how partnering with another company will affect the price per standard human figure. It's not at all unaffordable, but they hit $2 each with Space Nam.
I assume the partner's desire for figure options (affecting how many will fit in a box), profit sharing and desire not to completely undercut the price of their existing lines could all figure into it.
The space nam price was not up to Wargames Atlantic. That was a reptilian overlords decision, as it is their kit. Wargames Atlantic manufacturers it.
Interesting, in light of...
a secret project in partnership with a well-known tabletop gaming content brand.
... Are we to assume the kit design, contents and price are primarily in WGA hands?
That looks fantastic. I don't have use for another IG Army, but I should at minimum be in for a set of rough riders, something my gas masked IG Army is sorely lacking.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: They said they were in partnership with miniwargaming. What do they do?
I don't know if this is the correct MiniWarGaming, but they have on Gamefound this project, Ravaged Star: Armies of the Veil-Touched. They also do Youtube videos, and I found a completed Indiegogo campaign that upgraded their studio and equipment.
Since the Veil-touched are reminiscent of Chaos Marines with some demon retainers, I suppose MiniWarGaming could partner with WGA to make Veil-tainted human troopers. MWG doing the design, and WGA producing the final product.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: They said they were in partnership with miniwargaming. What do they do?
I don't know if this is the correct MiniWarGaming, but they have on Gamefound this project, Ravaged Star: Armies of the Veil-Touched. They also do Youtube videos, and I found a completed Indiegogo campaign that upgraded their studio and equipment.
Since the Veil-touched are reminiscent of Chaos Marines with some demon retainers, I suppose MiniWarGaming could partner with WGA to make Veil-tainted human troopers. MWG doing the design, and WGA producing the final product.
MWG doesn't have designers, though. For the Veil touched they partnered with a designer, basically they did the commercials for the designer.
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I hope this isn't a limited run because as soon as I financial recover from this month's bills, I want that.
Eilif wrote: I'm mildly curious to see how partnering with another company will affect the price per standard human figure. It's not at all unaffordable, but they hit $2 each with Space Nam.
I assume the partner's desire for figure options (affecting how many will fit in a box), profit sharing and desire not to completely undercut the price of their existing lines could all figure into it.
The space nam price was not up to Wargames Atlantic. That was a reptilian overlords decision, as it is their kit. Wargames Atlantic manufacturers it.
Interesting, in light of...
a secret project in partnership with a well-known tabletop gaming content brand.
... Are we to assume the kit design, contents and price are primarily in WGA hands?
As far as the team member responding to this message is aware, the new kits are 100% Wargames Atlantic.
That looks fantastic. I don't have use for another IG Army, but I should at minimum be in for a set of rough riders, something my gas masked IG Army is sorely lacking.
Not gonna lie, i have a window open, and im constantly refreshing. Looking forward
Spoiler:
(also, btw, i love companies that stop for a minute to put women models on their lines! I really wanna have an all equal Chaos army with the three genders: men, women, and ¿¿¿¿¿?????)
Models are looking great! I think its underrated that the "ragged" details are just plentiful enough to look ragtag, but sparse enough to not be a nightmare to fill with putty to maybe go for a more regimented look too.
Well, seems like the crowdfunding may be released on USA horary, so it's highly possible it comes late on the night for us europeans, so we'll wake up with the news.
Wargames Atlantic wrote:Game Found campaign coming in hot at the end of May!
MiniWarGaming wrote:The Damned… are coming!
When I saw this I knew my involvement was bound to manifest.
Whether it was with @wargamesatlantic proper or not the universe would materialize one way or another lol.
It happens to be made by them. In either case I’d be curious to have it painted by @cultofpaint. I enjoy their grimdark styles. This is bc my buddy Gaz told me they were being painted by them. And he literally just “don’t blame me for this!” This is where I replied “just try and control the CHAOS!!!!!” To which he said “🙄” and then came the instant rush of warm fuzzies + dopamine. My daily mission objectives were achieved: find a new way to generate that delicious life energy.
We @miniwargaming are teaming up with @wargamesatlantic on a project that’s near and dear to my chaotic heart! Lol.
Dudes take a look at these minis!? Spill your thoughts. Do you want to see more?
ScarletRose wrote: Yeah, I was hoping for a little more than "we're announcing that we're going to announce that we'll have an announcement".
Like there's enthusiasm for the product just let us know when the crowdfunding will actually be.
This.
Please don't gw hype machine, you have not the inertia for that to work.
Show us what we get/maybee get if funded or don't show anything.
The last thing any kickstarter or other funding campaign needs is 'in-character' incoherent ramblings - there's a time and place for that, and a public-facing posting where you want to convey as much information as possible in as unambiguous a way you can manage is neither. It looks unprofessional right out the door, and makes many people's eyes glaze over and lose all interest immediately. Just... don't. You can do such stuff at your leisure later on, on your website but in your forum, but your prime contact surface with an interested public should be held to higher standards. It's grating when large companies or established authors do it, and can outright kill small enterprises. Getting mumbo-jumbo and gibbering instead of straight info is a huge turn-off.
Meanwhile at their HQ someone is doubtless about to release a concise, meat and potatoes statement:
Who’s involved and their roles (mwg and wga)
When the thing is kicking off exactly, date/time
Where the site link is for the Game Found campaign and a rough idea where the product can be shipped
What products are being produced (even saying cavalry, hq, ogres, etc) gives us an idea
Basic stuff
Then be ready to answer why not KS Post photos even if it’s renders
Rough timelines for product to release
What bonus rewards might be achieved
And so on
Coming to Game Found May 26th we are excited to announce our first crowdfunding campaign in partnership with the fine folks at MiniWargaming!
This campaign will be focused on releasing 8 full hard plastic sets for the newest Death Fields' faction: The Damned! (their backstory can be found at the bottom of the page).
These 8 sets will let you build a full army of The Damned and includes plastic sets for:
Infantry Command Brutes Outriders Heavy Support Teams Hounds Artillery Tank (yes our first hard plastic vehicle!)
MiniWargaming will be previewing all the sets and setting the stage over the next few weeks as we prepare to launch. We'll have more painted models, videos, and lots to see and talk about as the campaign progresses!
If successful, this campaign will allow us to do something we've never done before: release an entire ARMY in one shot! And once we've fulfilled all the backer pledges all 8 sets will be available as part of our regular catalog and at retailers worldwide.
Retailers: we will have full retail level pledges in the campaign as well.
Coming to Game Found May 26th we are excited to announce our first crowdfunding campaign in partnership with the fine folks at MiniWargaming!
This campaign will be focused on releasing 8 full hard plastic sets for the newest Death Fields' faction: The Damned! (their backstory can be found at the bottom of the page).
These 8 sets will let you build a full army of The Damned and includes plastic sets for:
Infantry
Command
Brutes
Outriders
Heavy Support Teams
Hounds
Artillery
Tank (yes our first hard plastic vehicle!)
MiniWargaming will be previewing all the sets and setting the stage over the next few weeks as we prepare to launch. We'll have more painted models, videos, and lots to see and talk about as the campaign progresses!
If successful, this campaign will allow us to do something we've never done before: release an entire ARMY in one shot! And once we've fulfilled all the backer pledges all 8 sets will be available as part of our regular catalog and at retailers worldwide.
Retailers: we will have full retail level pledges in the campaign as well.
Spoiler:
Outstanding! Excellent announcement with lots of information. Really looking forward to getting models from these kits.
i would guess a lighter tank to be honest. while they've experimented with multi-sprue layouts before (cannon fodder I for example), they tend to stick to "one sprue builts complete figures"
so i'd guess a small tank or tankette, something that can be fit one to a sprue. but i'd guess that it'll have some weapons options (basically weapon barrel options, possibly some add-on bits.)
one of the more popular suggestions by fans on their forums is something in the vein of the Renault FT-17/M1917/Fiat 3000/T-18.. a small two man tankette with a turret, basically. which would fit the WW1ish theme of the wider army so i'd be surprised if they pick something else.