How do!

Late announcement like, but glad to have it confirmed all the same.

You know what'd be nice? If GW could be bothered to do events in the UK that merited previews, as opposed to doing so many in the US.

Well, we do get Warhammerfest some years.

The video lists 40K, AOS, KT, and ToW as the games covered.

Strangely not HH

Might still be more, as the wording is “includes”.

 xttz wrote:
The video lists 40K, AOS, KT, and ToW as the games covered.

Strangely not HH

It'll be the surprise preview cgi jobby at the end as a guess.

Yeah I could see that. Quick teaser / trailer with no new models shown, then a larger dedicated preview some time in April for HH & LI

There could be a seperate "HH-only" preview in the Future.

Hopefully TOW Beastmen finally get a plastic chariot. I figure it's likely they will be heavily previewed. Most of their range is in plastic by now except for centigors and that old metal chariot.

 Dysartes wrote:
You know what'd be nice? If GW could be bothered to do events in the UK that merited previews, as opposed to doing so many in the US.

The US shows are pretty huge in attendance. That said I'm always surprised that GW does nothing at Salute - you'd think they'd be attending the biggest UK Wargame convention.

Then again them not being there likely helps out a lot of the other firms actually get attention, sales and so forth;

Bit of a surprise to see Kill Team so soon after the last late reveal and release of Blood and Zeal.

I'm guessing 40K is going to be dominated by the other three Legion books and their accompanying boxsets. Updated Roadmap would be nice but three short preview sections is already going to eat up a fair bit of that slot.

Wood elves are next for Old World aren't they? Curious to see what iteration they picked for them, as they've always had a bit of an issue with not wanting to play ranks and flanks Warhammer, and instead just be a bowline or a bunch of skirmishers.

Honestly? Biggest issue with Wood Elves was Wood Elves players insisting every terrain feature be a Woods.

Wonder if we’ll get news on Soulblight Gravelords? LVO was a bit ago, and they teased that there was more new stuff not covered in those reveals.

 Tastyfish wrote:
Bit of a surprise to see Kill Team so soon after the last late reveal and release of Blood and Zeal.

At a guess, box #4 will have one or both teams linked to upcoming Spring/Summer codexes. We may see something like Grey Knights vs TSons.

Yeah it's not so much the fact they're at adepticon that rankles so much as the fact it's the *only* third party event they show up to. It would be great to see them throw some support at British events. I think it'd be a positive for other suppliers, gets people in the door.

 Tastyfish wrote:
Wood elves are next for Old World aren't they? Curious to see what iteration they picked for them, as they've always had a bit of an issue with not wanting to play ranks and flanks Warhammer, and instead just be a bowline or a bunch of skirmishers.

Beastmen are next, then Wood Elves.

Ugh. Adepticon.

The Tournament I fell asleep during, and came in dead last in the 2009 team tournament (we lost to the ringer team).

 Nevelon wrote:
Wonder if we’ll get news on Soulblight Gravelords? LVO was a bit ago, and they teased that there was more new stuff not covered in those reveals.

Right now I think that was just showing us the Terrain, Endless Spells and the new hero group focused around the Hollow King. Plus it would be really strange to preview more for soulblight when they've not released anything from the first wave

 Overread wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Wonder if we’ll get news on Soulblight Gravelords? LVO was a bit ago, and they teased that there was more new stuff not covered in those reveals.

Right now I think that was just showing us the Terrain, Endless Spells and the new hero group focused around the Hollow King. Plus it would be really strange to preview more for soulblight when they've not released anything from the first wave

I’d settle for a release date. Gotra be soon…

I'm expecting it any Sunday now honestly.

Billicus wrote:
Yeah it's not so much the fact they're at adepticon that rankles so much as the fact it's the *only* third party event they show up to. It would be great to see them throw some support at British events. I think it'd be a positive for other suppliers, gets people in the door.

Saturation and concentration is pretty high already in the UK.

i'm not sure a big presence at a British show would be welcomed by other independent vendors. i've seen plenty bemoaning the amout of GW stock brought along by some of the store based vendor and i'd bet they'd bring even more if there was an official (zero reductions) GW stand

It would bring in more punters though (and probably lower the age demographic) too

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Honestly? Biggest issue with Wood Elves was Wood Elves players insisting every terrain feature be a Woods.

There definitely needs to be some "an elite army appeared from nowhere" type element, rather than a horde of Robin Hoods marched across the Kingdom with Birnam Wood hotfooting it behind them.
Bit more Elrond and Thranduil than 100% Legolasses (and Legolads).

 xttz wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
Bit of a surprise to see Kill Team so soon after the last late reveal and release of Blood and Zeal.

At a guess, box #4 will have one or both teams linked to upcoming Spring/Summer codexes. We may see something like Grey Knights vs TSons.

I'd peg it more at factions with their sole Team moving out of the Classified format at the end of this season.

Thousand Sons is a fair bet, they could do with a bit of a scale update for some units and it would be odd for the codex to come out around the same time, and for the unit to be Kill Team locked rather than included in it as a regular unit. Grey Knights for the same reason, as they kind of only really need two kits updated in scale for a full relaunch, but rumours point away from that. Emperor's children are also perhaps too soon but I expect we'll see them next season.

Chaos are losing Legionaries and Blooded, but will keep Night Lords, Felgor and Chaos cult.
Eldar lose Corsairs (and Harlequins) but have gained Blades of Khaine.
Sisters lose Noviates but get the Sanctifiers
Orks lose Kommandos but get Wreckas
IG lose Krieg but get Ratlings and keep Kasrkin
Tau lose Pathfinders but keep Farstalkers and get Vespid
Nids/GC (I know) lose Wyrmblade but keep Brood Brothers
Marines drop Phobos but gain Angels of Death and Scouts
Deathguard lose Gellarpox but get Plague marines
Imp agents lose Star Striders but retain Arbites and Inquisitors

AdMech are losing Hunter Clade with no similar replacement.
Nids never had one outside of compendium or GSC.
Custodes disappeared in the edition change, but Sisters of Silence might represent them in the Inq list.
Daemons...well.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm not sure a big presence at a British show would be welcomed by other independent vendors. i've seen plenty bemoaning the amout of GW stock brought along by some of the store based vendor and i'd bet they'd bring even more if there was an official (zero reductions) GW stand

It would bring in more punters though (and probably lower the age demographic) too

I don't think anyone really had issues with them when they were at UK Games Expo, as far as I'm aware, especially when they were one of the sponsors for the event.

This all comes back around to that terrible Warhammerfest they did - as I understand it, they got rid of their UK events team, and don't ever seem to have replaced them.

So the home of Games Workshop no longer gets a Golden Daemon, no longer gets a Games Day equivalent event, and no longer has GW turning up at other external events, which also means the customers in their home market don't get previews and don't get opportunities to pick up any event-only miniatures.

It's a disgrace, it really is.

 Dysartes wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm not sure a big presence at a British show would be welcomed by other independent vendors. i've seen plenty bemoaning the amout of GW stock brought along by some of the store based vendor and i'd bet they'd bring even more if there was an official (zero reductions) GW stand

It would bring in more punters though (and probably lower the age demographic) too

I don't think anyone really had issues with them when they were at UK Games Expo, as far as I'm aware, especially when they were one of the sponsors for the event.

This all comes back around to that terrible Warhammerfest they did - as I understand it, they got rid of their UK events team, and don't ever seem to have replaced them.

So the home of Games Workshop no longer gets a Golden Daemon, no longer gets a Games Day equivalent event, and no longer has GW turning up at other external events, which also means the customers in their home market don't get previews and don't get opportunities to pick up any event-only miniatures.

It's a disgrace, it really is.

That's ignoring the fact we don't get the intro/family board games, although that is applicable to a lot of the world, it's still weird they aren't sold where they're made.

The UK market doesn't need as much outside-of-brand marketing as the US one does. UK side they have a store in most larger towns and most people know about Warhammer. If not by name then just tag on "those expensive models" and everyone quickly gets what you mean.

So I can see why some games like boardgames might not be marketed here as heavily because they are outreach products. If GW has a limited amount of resources and can't do a full global release for them then focusing on growing in a massive market like the US one is a sensible choice.

It might also be other things like a release in the UK is paired to policies of having an EU in general release and thus comes with more translation requirements.

 Overread wrote:
The UK market doesn't need as much outside-of-brand marketing as the US one does. UK side they have a store in most larger towns and most people know about Warhammer. If not by name then just tag on "those expensive models" and everyone quickly gets what you mean.

So I can see why some games like boardgames might not be marketed here as heavily because they are outreach products. If GW has a limited amount of resources and can't do a full global release for them then focusing on growing in a massive market like the US one is a sensible choice.

It might also be other things like a release in the UK is paired to policies of having an EU in general release and thus comes with more translation requirements.

They're available in other languages already, I believe they're sold in Germany and Japan? The other points are fair, but a mainstream gateway box is cool. But I'd argue the board game market, whilst commonly overlapping in places, is still a different market to wargaming.

 Dysartes wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm not sure a big presence at a British show would be welcomed by other independent vendors. i've seen plenty bemoaning the amout of GW stock brought along by some of the store based vendor and i'd bet they'd bring even more if there was an official (zero reductions) GW stand

It would bring in more punters though (and probably lower the age demographic) too

I don't think anyone really had issues with them when they were at UK Games Expo, as far as I'm aware, especially when they were one of the sponsors for the event.

This all comes back around to that terrible Warhammerfest they did - as I understand it, they got rid of their UK events team, and don't ever seem to have replaced them.

So the home of Games Workshop no longer gets a Golden Daemon, no longer gets a Games Day equivalent event, and no longer has GW turning up at other external events, which also means the customers in their home market don't get previews and don't get opportunities to pick up any event-only miniatures.

It's a disgrace, it really is.

The big preview events in the UK have been replaced with smaller, specific ones at Warhammer World haven't they? That's where the Blood and Zeal surprise reveal came from, the Warhammer World anniversary event.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
i'm not sure a big presence at a British show would be welcomed by other independent vendors. i've seen plenty bemoaning the amout of GW stock brought along by some of the store based vendor and i'd bet they'd bring even more if there was an official (zero reductions) GW stand

It would bring in more punters though (and probably lower the age demographic) too

I don't think anyone really had issues with them when they were at UK Games Expo, as far as I'm aware, especially when they were one of the sponsors for the event.

This all comes back around to that terrible Warhammerfest they did - as I understand it, they got rid of their UK events team, and don't ever seem to have replaced them.

So the home of Games Workshop no longer gets a Golden Daemon, no longer gets a Games Day equivalent event, and no longer has GW turning up at other external events, which also means the customers in their home market don't get previews and don't get opportunities to pick up any event-only miniatures.

It's a disgrace, it really is.

The big preview events in the UK have been replaced with smaller, specific ones at Warhammer World haven't they? That's where the Blood and Zeal surprise reveal came from, the Warhammer World anniversary event.

I think that's ascribing it too impact. I suspect that is what happened, but there wasn't a post up about the anniversary event on the day and the KT reveal doesn't mention it - you can be in the UK, and even be at WHW and not know it was either revealed or linked.

I really miss when there was plenty of Golden demons in different countries. GW had Forgeworld at Salute but that did stop too.

GW in more UK expos would be nice to see for sure.

I miss the days when they had a store in the Bluewater shopping center.

So just 40k, AoS, tOW, and KT. Disappointing for Warcry fans.

SamusDrake wrote:
I miss the days when they had a store in the Bluewater shopping center.

So do many many parents. But that was a decision made some years ago to get out of high rent areas.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
I miss the days when they had a store in the Bluewater shopping center.

So do many many parents. But that was a decision made some years ago to get out of high rent areas.

Well not that literally I think. But Tottenham court in London and then, Chelmsford, Colchester and Ipswich all still have stores in the town centre.

Twas a long time ago now, but I have a rather fond memory of visiting it before a screening of Fellowship of the Ring. It certainly was a night to remember!

Hopefully we'll see Warcry in a special preview shortly after, as we're almost into April and expecting a new edition about...now, I think?

SamusDrake wrote:

Hopefully we'll see Warcry in a special preview shortly after, as we're almost into April and expecting a new edition about...now, I think?

With the new HH edition all-but-confirmed for Summer then I would expect Warcry to get the same September release slot KT did last year. So probably a little early to see news on it.

Very surprised to see the Tyranid terrain this early. I thought for sure that would be the start of a new KT season and they'd squeeze out another Volkus box first.

 NAVARRO wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
I miss the days when they had a store in the Bluewater shopping center.

So do many many parents. But that was a decision made some years ago to get out of high rent areas.

Well not that literally I think. But Tottenham court in London and then, Chelmsford, Colchester and Ipswich all still have stores in the town centre.

My locals are Southampton and Winchester - both are as close to the city centre as you could reasonably expect them to be. Only a 5 minute walk if that.

The main highstreet areas are just too expensive; so GW has moved out a bit, but so too has a lot of other stores. GW still manages to generally be in that bit of town that's near the main highstreet enough to get good footfall and still feel like the core/safe/good part of town. They aren't right out in the sticks on their own as the only store or in a housing estate or miles from parking and the like.

But yeah these days it seems that only food and clothing can hold onto those super expensive spots and even they often go through a lot of handchanging.

Article about it that include a nice sneak peak!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/j43lsxpa/adepticon-2025-prepare-for-a-huge-warhammer-preview/

That looks like those genestealer pods that they used to have on the sprue - only beefed up a lot. I kinda hope its not genestealers though if they are going to do Tyranids - warriors need their set with wings!!

It looks like a new version of the old tyranid spawning scenery/ brood nest

 legionaires wrote:
So just 40k, AoS, tOW, and KT. Disappointing for Warcry fans.

Looking at the GW shop pages - when did the image gallery move to being on the left of the screen, rather than the right? - alone of all the 'Other Games' categories, the entirety of Warcry is tagged in the title as 'online only'. I wonder if that's a sign?

 xttz wrote:

With the new HH edition all-but-confirmed for Summer then I would expect Warcry to get the same September release slot KT did last year. So probably a little early to see news on it.

I've been keeping an open mind, but If there's any weight to the rumours of 3rd edition 30K in the summer then Thursday will be the first announcement from GW. Thursdays are usually "Heresy Thursday" and the 2nd edition of 30K was also announced at Adepticon in 2022, if I recall correctly.

 Overread wrote:
That looks like those genestealer pods that they used to have on the sprue - only beefed up a lot. I kinda hope its not genestealers though if they are going to do Tyranids - warriors need their set with wings!!

The Tyranids in the BfM-Starter Box had something like that too. It hasn't anything to do with GSC or just Genestealers - the previous Stealer box was far older than the cult remake and had an absorber with spine-fist, too (the only one).

But before they make warriors with wings they should update the awful gargoyles.

But Gargoyles work - Tyranid Warriors right now have a single prime model with stats who has wings who is basically pointless to lead a squad of Warriors

 Overread wrote:
But Gargoyles work

They were not good when they were released. Too large heads and arms - they look just goofy and malformed. And bad.

 Overread wrote:
Tyranid Warriors right now have a single prime model with stats who has wings who is basically pointless to lead a squad of Warriors

Sure, but it was a pointless choice in the starter box too. If a single mono-pose model needs a better/fitting squad or an existing squad urgently needs better models I'd opt for the latter.

 Twinoni wrote:
It looks like a new version of the old tyranid spawning scenery/ brood nest

Old FW scenery was the best, I spent many hours staring at the website wishing I could afford all that stuff

I was hoping to see something for Warcry. Maybe that’ll be a surprise

I'm still waiting for the rest of the War of the Rohirrim characters for Middle-Earth. I thought they might show some stuff for that at Adepticon but right now signs point to no.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'm still waiting for the rest of the War of the Rohirrim characters for Middle-Earth. I thought they might show some stuff for that at Adepticon but right now signs point to no.

I must say it's a bit tiresome waiting for just the already announced Hera. I'm now seriously considering Eoywn & Merry as proxys for Hera and Lief...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 legionaires wrote:
So just 40k, AoS, tOW, and KT. Disappointing for Warcry fans.

Looking at the GW shop pages - when did the image gallery move to being on the left of the screen, rather than the right? - alone of all the 'Other Games' categories, the entirety of Warcry is tagged in the title as 'online only'. I wonder if that's a sign?

GW must have made the change to the gallery in the last twenty seven hours. When I checked something yesterday morning it was still on the right side.

i hope, that if we are going to get heresy news, and if it is going to be a new edition, we get something concrete in the vein of "is it a carryover edition, or something more significant" instead of just teasing "new edition" and leaving us to speculate for another three months

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i hope, that if we are going to get heresy news, and if it is going to be a new edition, we get something concrete in the vein of "is it a carryover edition, or something more significant" instead of just teasing "new edition" and leaving us to speculate for another three months

Given the latter is 3 months of people raising awareness about an upcoming product, I would firmly guess the latter. Show the cool toys, get people talking.

We are going to get loads of Votann goodies for sure... 100% failing that Some space puppies or nids please.

Whilst I note new Tyranid Warriors likely means losing MOST of the close combat weapon options in the box - I would at least welcome them to get wings so that the current Prime is actually useful as a leader model.

 Overread wrote:
Whilst I note new Tyranid Warriors likely means losing MOST of the close combat weapon options in the box - I would at least welcome them to get wings so that the current Prime is actually useful as a leader model.

In general Im not a fan of swarms of winged miniatures, just a pain to handle those models. But a small unit of warriors would be nice.

Not long now rendering this moot, but freshly lifted from Insta.

Why am I still up? Had a migraine earlier and retreated to bed to try and sleep it off mid afternoon. So naturally, I now can’t sleep.




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Left to right?

Imperial Knights Nope, it’s a Servitor.
Beastmen
Space Woof
No Idea - Could Be Cathay But I Doubt It
World Eaters Nutter
Thousand Sons, Now With Added Shield
A Tyranid.

Is that a Cathay armored sentinel? Sure looks like one. I did not expect to see a Cathay reveal this far in advance, i'd expect that to be a summer/fall release at the earliest.

That is 100% the Cathay Terracotta Sentinal in the middle. Wow.

Had to google it, but it sure looks it!


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Cathay looking VERYcool.

CATHAY¬!

They are going all out with this preview too - airships, artillery, cavalry the lot!

Cathay looks so much better than the rest of the old things they are re-releasing for the other factions.

Well that's understandable - its an entirely new and fresh army. To be fair Beastmen and Woodelves have quite a few fairly modern models to their name. Or at least which are not that old.

But yes Cathay and Kislev (eventually) had to come last. Honestly makes me really excited to see what comes after them and when we see GW hopefully turn to updating some older classic models with newer designs.

Those lanterns look pretty good.

My mind is blown.

 Thargrim wrote:
Is that a Cathay armored sentinel? Sure looks like one. I did not expect to see a Cathay reveal this far in advance, i'd expect that to be a summer/fall release at the earliest.

If you compare to the computer game footage, it sure looks like a Cathay sentinel.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
My mind is blown.

Dragon and winged mounted hero are going on my "buying cause they look awesome" pile

And yeah I was thinking maybe they'd tease A model not the whole freaking army!

Oooh, all plastic Cathay. That’s nice.

My wife is a huge WE nerd, and those Cathay are jaw-dropping to me.

At some point my wallet will scream in agony.

Gorgeous models too.

 Overread wrote:
Well that's understandable - its an entirely new and fresh army. To be fair Beastmen and Woodelves have quite a few fairly modern models to their name. Or at least which are not that old.

But yes Cathay and Kislev (eventually) had to come last. Honestly makes me really excited to see what comes after them and when we see GW hopefully turn to updating some older classic models with newer designs.

Beastmen?

Aren't their more recent release, bar a few characters, are the minotaurs which are what, 15 years old?

NEW RAVENERS THAT LOOK FREAKING AWESOME!

They got hteir long tails back!


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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well that's understandable - its an entirely new and fresh army. To be fair Beastmen and Woodelves have quite a few fairly modern models to their name. Or at least which are not that old.

But yes Cathay and Kislev (eventually) had to come last. Honestly makes me really excited to see what comes after them and when we see GW hopefully turn to updating some older classic models with newer designs.

Beastmen?

Aren't their more recent release, bar a few characters, are the minotaurs which are what, 15 years old?

Hmm I might be miss remembering - though I know they got the new big gore-titan beasty fairly recently?

Mechanicus will find a home in my Mechanicum force. Much needed Servitors and Magos,

I'm just happy Servitors are returning, and I assume will get rules for use with the AdMech.

 Overread wrote:
NEW RAVENERS THAT LOOK FREAKING AWESOME!

They got hteir long tails back!


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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well that's understandable - its an entirely new and fresh army. To be fair Beastmen and Woodelves have quite a few fairly modern models to their name. Or at least which are not that old.

But yes Cathay and Kislev (eventually) had to come last. Honestly makes me really excited to see what comes after them and when we see GW hopefully turn to updating some older classic models with newer designs.

Beastmen?

Aren't their more recent release, bar a few characters, are the minotaurs which are what, 15 years old?

Hmm I might be miss remembering - though I know they got the new big gore-titan beasty fairly recently?

You migh be right. I don't rebember if they were released at the same time than the minos or later. But at least most of the beastmen range is still serviceable, which isnt the case for a lot of the armies re-released (i'm looking particuliarly at you Tomb Kings). Still a shame that they haven't at least gave us a plastic chariot for them

Sounds like Raveners can be built as basic or one of each "hero" form for the Killteam. Going to be interestign to see how they balance into 40K itself but EVER so happy to see them with their long tails. they feel proper wriggly and serpentine with them!

The terrain for Tyrainds also looks ACE!


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That "Age of sigmar hint" at the very end looks like a dragon back and dragon wing - so either surprise terrorgast model OR could it be Malarion's shadow draconic aelf army?!

 Overread wrote:
Sounds like Raveners can be built as basic or one of each "hero" form for the Killteam. Going to be interestign to see how they balance into 40K itself but EVER so happy to see them with their long tails. they feel proper wriggly and serpentine with them!

The terrain for Tyrainds also looks ACE!


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That "Age of sigmar hint" at the very end looks like a dragon back and dragon wing - so either surprise terrorgast model OR could it be Malarion's shadow draconic aelf army?!

Isn’t that pic a previously previewed roadmap FEC image?

Probably hence why I put the terrorgast comment in - esp since GW are replacing the zombie dragon part






Also Khorne gets to keep their 3 headed pet doggy!

Not sure about those Tzeentch robots, would have prefered more bulky ones

Love those Thousand Son Robots.


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Space Woofs look cool.


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There’s a real 2nd Ed feel for the Blood Claws and Grey Hunters.

Not a marine fan but the Spacewolf update looks chunky and awesome for players - loads of updated models there and new wolfies!

Always makes me sad to recall how crappy BA releases are compared to all other SM/CSM releases.....

So much love given to those SW bare heads.

GK, are... the same as they have been?

 nels1031 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Sounds like Raveners can be built as basic or one of each "hero" form for the Killteam. Going to be interestign to see how they balance into 40K itself but EVER so happy to see them with their long tails. they feel proper wriggly and serpentine with them!

The terrain for Tyrainds also looks ACE!


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That "Age of sigmar hint" at the very end looks like a dragon back and dragon wing - so either surprise terrorgast model OR could it be Malarion's shadow draconic aelf army?!

Isn’t that pic a previously previewed roadmap FEC image?

Yeah.
I’m pretty sure people found all the artwork for the Horizon stuff last time.
3 AoS and 4 40K images wasn’t it.

That salamander image was after GK, but here’s wolves..


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There they are

Pretty good preview show, with Grand Cathay being the “country mile” winner.

That's one of the worst previews they've ever put out.

I really like that Wood Elf battalion box. The picture of it looks like almost a complete army from a White Dwarf battle report from 30 years ago. Maybe only a small first step if you're playing Old World, but most of the army if you're playing 3rd or 4th, maybe Warhammer Renaissance too.

Cathay looks really nice. And they look like a Warhammer army, not a Warcraft one like they and Kislev were teased way back when. I'd think that would break some hearts of people I've talked to on the internet, but probably they're GW stans and will claim to love them either way.

Old World took the light in this one - 2 returning armies previewed and then the whole of Cathay being shown off in all its amazing detail and content. That stole the light for certain from this release!

40K Gets some awesome new Raveners - not the warriors I thought we'd get but I'm VERY happy to see the new kits coming for Killteam. The terrain for Tyranids is also great and the Mechanicus models look very solid!

Demons are getting a few new units and its nice to see GW doing some non-leader options in there with the new Tzeentch robots as a small update the army with their new codex - and nice ot see 3 headed doggy isn't lost (even if he did escape the codex itself).

Rest is very marine heavy but honestly looks great and Spacewolves are shaping up for a really big update.



Honestly overall really good and its nice that they are pushing updates further than the 3 month window. Sure its just a teaser image, but its nice to get that as a general heads-up.


Spearhead is also sounding really strong and the new sets are looking fun; sure its not new models but its a good solid game format for faster games and easy for newbies to get into.

And that’s the show wrapped up.

A rare preview show AoS L. Can’t win them all! Just new boxes of stuff we’ve already had. Spearhead is pretty great though. The buildup to Generals Handbook is intriguing.

Cathay looks awesome, but I’m not sure how I feel about how massive the blimp and statues are. Just irks me for some reason.

Another win was the Space Wolves. All pretty cool kits, and I’m excited for more.The non-answer for the future of the Space Wolf cavalry seemed pretty suspect, but who knows. Always been on the fence about them. Kill the Canis Wolfborn mini, by all that’s holy!

The chaos stuff was meh. The new Khorne character didn’t looks too different from the regular eightbound, but I’ve got the untrained eye. Same with the Nurgle character. Tzeentch robots look incredibly static in their pose.

I really need to get into Kill-team.

Boo, wasted slots on basic space wolf troops while chaos got one kit each and Grey Knights only get an upgrade sprue.

Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

The chaos stuff was meh. The new Khorne character didn’t looks too different from the regular eightbound, but I’ve got the untrained eye

Looks-wise, he isn't different. (and though I think the arm looks goofy, the idea of his eviserater entirely fusing to his arm is neat, if a classic chaos feature)

But functionally for the army, a dedicated hero that can join those units (without dragging in the cavalry keyword) is pretty important

The big damper is their production limitations. They just did back-to-back-to-back army updates, so small single kits make sense (especially with Cathay and Gravelords also in the queue)

I was underwhelmed by the scrawny Ushabti-robots for TS, though dedicated gun units are needed there.

I liked the new Eightbound leader, I just hope that he can lead both regular and Exalted Eightbound.

Glad to see Karanak is coming back, now we just need to bring back the chariots as well.

The Cathay stuff is amazing, but it looks so challenging to paint, especially the flying balloon.

If they get around to giving Kislev a similar treatment in all plastic i'll be 100% onboard with that faction.

That Cathay army... Damn! Love me some Lanterns and Cannons. Can't afford another GW game of course, so beautiful as it was... Not in my future.

Ditto on Space Wolves. Like damn! I almost want to play them. Those heads are spectacular, and doggos and shields for days. I'm genuinely happy for SW players- I won't even whine about Marine saturation. But again, Not in my future.

I like the servitors, but wanted an Ogryn servitor. The Ravenors are good as far as Ravenors go... But they've never been my favourite unit, and if I'm gonna Tyranid, there are other models I need/ want WAY more. I like the variety of pieces of Tyranid terrain, but I think they should all be bigger.

I like the Ksons automata a lot, and the box is very useful- not a Tzaangor in sight. If I was a Nurgle guy, that would be a great box too.

I am STOKED about Karanak's return! The doggo that would not die! Of course, happy as it makes me, it isn't a model release, so not the big shiny.

And as a result, sort of a lackluster preview for me personally. Nothing in the roadmap looks like Drukhari, and I'm worried.

On one level hyped for the new Eightbound. On another disappointed by the lack of Berzerker Surgeon. Rest of the Chaos stuff seemed solid.

Anyone get screen shots of the Chaos boxes?

Cathay by far wins the showing for today. The Cathayan Sentinel looks sick and I'm surprised at how much of their range they showed. Even their standard infantry for the Jade Lancers and Warriors look great, so I can only imagine how the other units will look like once they start adding in more to the army.

I watched the whole thing at Chemistry class at Uni.

I had plenty naysayers locally but there they are, Cathay! Holy Molly! They look amazing! Sentinels are peak! The whole army are quality! Lanterns are still the silliest thing ever!

They haven't confirmed the metal Forest Dragon. Here's high on hopium and dreamium it's not coming back and they making a new one, similar to the one from Total Warhammer.

1KSons metal Ushabti are horrendous! I'd rather have nothing instead, they look like Happy Meal toys.

I prefer the baby carrier upgrade sprue, at least I do actually enjoy the Dreadknight, but GK can't take another edition without a refresh.

Speaking of, as a Wolf enjoyer I'm extatic, and those guys are only the contents of the army box, there's more to come! Fingers crossed my granddreads will still be kicking around!

Sorry Death Company players.

Also I don't know if there is going to be a Salamander Codex AND an Imperial Fists Codex or just a readjusted Space Marine Codex/Supplements.

Voss wrote:
eviserator

 PenitentJake wrote:
Raveners

streetsamurai wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well that's understandable - its an entirely new and fresh army. To be fair Beastmen and Woodelves have quite a few fairly modern models to their name. Or at least which are not that old.

But yes Cathay and Kislev (eventually) had to come last. Honestly makes me really excited to see what comes after them and when we see GW hopefully turn to updating some older classic models with newer designs.

Beastmen?

Aren't their more recent release, bar a few characters, are the minotaurs which are what, 15 years old?

They still have that same horrible chariot.

I like the Wood Elf models, and the Battalion box looks nice. Except that I already have boatload of WE Archers.

So Grey Knights and Space Wolves teaming up again to fight Angron on Armageddon….

Setting the stage for Months of Shame 2 : Inquisitorial Boogaloo.

Also, Grey Knights not getting in on the Primaris action is disappointing.

At the earliest I'll see Imperial Knights in 2026.

And Grey Knight will still only have 1 Marine that's in scale with modern marines.

I was looking forward to buying GKs. Not anymore. Maybe next edition.

 CMLR wrote:
They haven't confirmed the metal Forest Dragon. Here's high on hopium and dreamium it's not coming back and they making a new one, similar to the one from Total Warhammer.

The forest dragon wasn't shown in the preview but the warcom article mentions it by name without showing off a picture:

The defense of the forests otherwise falls to the Nobles, who are required by oath to keep their domains free of intruders, and who ride out on Elven Steeds, Stags, Great Eagles, and even serpentine Forest Dragons to fulfil their duty.

Warhawk riders, mages, wardancers, and waywatchers are in the same "mentioned but not pictured" status.

 Coolyo294 wrote:

The forest dragon wasn't shown in the preview but the warcom article mentions it by name without showing off a picture:

No, it actually is present in the opening picture.

I want to throw up.

Looks like they took all the figures from Total War: Warhammer 3 for Cathy.

A smart choice.


Space Wolves look quite good!

Love how the new Blood Claws have Primaris armour but don’t have those edges on the knees. Great for making retro true scale Marines!

 Malika2 wrote:
Love how the new Blood Claws have Primaris armour but don’t have those edges on the knees. Great for making retro true scale Marines!

It's because is not Tacticus armor

What niche does Cathay fit?
It doesn't seem to replace any of the Legends armies.

So far: Heavy cav, heavy infantry, large cannon and a rocket launcher, giant equivalent and a hot air balloon and dragon

Seems Empire with heavy infantry and a giant equivalent.

I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on High Elves for TOW, as Cathay definitely is going to be my second army for that, if I get a second army, that is. The models, from the heroes and big stuff right down to the basic line troops, are all amazing! I'm definitely gonna have to do something about my storage situation though, or more likely I'm gonna have to sell some stuff to make room.

New Raveners look awesome, and I think I'm gonna need some for my Tyranids. The Servitors from that set look pretty cool too, but I'm not really interested in AdMech for myself.

New Chaos stuff looks a bit meh. DG and WE each get a boring character, and Tsons get a pair of...robots.

I like what little they spoiled about the new 40k season cards, but I'm concerned that once again I just won't be able to come up with a set of them. Hopefully they've learned and will have enough of them to go around. But then this is GW we're talking about, so hope is probably the first step on the road to disappointment.

Mod edit - removed, please don't be so crude and vulgar. Not a single new model revealed. None. Bupkis. The spearhead boxes are nice, but they are just bundles of existing models. I guess technically the new Spearhead kit might have some new terrain in it, but I'm not sure if I even count that.

Overall I'm glad there's not that much out there that I care about coming down the line, as it means that my hobby money can be saved up for Cathay, if in fact I decide to go ahead with them. Not sure when they'll release, but I hope it's late summer at the earliest so I have time to prepare.

I'm actually wondering what the stat difference will be with the new Dreadknight weapons, or if it will just be "generic CCW". As it stands we will have the options of: Fists, Sword, Hammer, mace, flail. I'm kinda wondering how hard it would be to have a holstered flail tucked into the dreadknight's "belt" like some mall-ninja kid from the late 90's.

Sorry, am I being thick ? Are there images of any of this? I’ve seen something on Reddit but it doesn’t include everything being discussed.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/or72z0uw/every-reveal-from-the-warhammer-preview-show-at-adepticon-2025/

Coming for you right from warcom

New Sand and Stone release is one of the most pathetic I've seen from any wargaming company.

Cathay looks very cool, but a major pain to paint.

Other stuff looks cool. Space wolves look great. I just wish they would do some of them with asiatic features, maybe some heavier body types. There are always white guys and black guys, but never Asian heads. You can see GW can sculpt them well from the Cathay release. Why no Asian heads in the Space Wolves?

I really love that they're dialing way back on the wolf aspect for the new models, back to more generic marine armor with a few talismans or sigils here and there. It's like a modern take on the 3rd ed Space Wolf upgrade sprue, and I'm all over that. They're leaving the truly wolfed out models for the characters and elites, and even then it's leaning more into the fantasy viking look, as it should. And the heads THE HEADS! Oh, they're glorious! Exactly what SW heads should have always been instead of the awful tripe we got in 5th ed. If we get a proper Long Fangs kit with beards over the chestplate like the bald Wolf Priest then I'll be over the moon, but these are better than anything we've gotten in years!

Was not expecting Cathay any time soon, those are amazing looking. I've been waiting a long while for Wargames Atlantic Warring States troops, but these may fit my project even better. Gonna be hard not turning them into a full army.

I've been a defender of the old GW models coming back, but GW sure is making that stance difficult when up against these designs. It's hardly fair to the Wood Elves that they reveal the old plastic Glade Guard alongside the Cathayan infantry

I think that's probably the best release I've seen for a while, nothing really looks like a dud.

Cathay looks great, Kill Team looks great. Votann on the horizon is very exciting! Hopefully still far away that I can continue to save money though...

 Kalamadea wrote:
I really love that they're dialing way back on the wolf aspect for the new models, back to more generic marine armor with a few talismans or sigils here and there. It's like a modern take on the 3rd ed Space Wolf upgrade sprue, and I'm all over that. They're leaving the truly wolfed out models for the characters and elites, and even then it's leaning more into the fantasy viking look, as it should. And the heads THE HEADS! Oh, they're glorious! Exactly what SW heads should have always been instead of the awful tripe we got in 5th ed. If we get a proper Long Fangs kit with beards over the chestplate like the bald Wolf Priest then I'll be over the moon, but these are better than anything we've gotten in years!

I think the Space Wolves look pretty good - I particularly like the Head Takers - although the basic troops are perhaps a little bland. The heads are, as you say, very nice indeed. I'm not sure that even the most impressive beardy heads could make the Desolation Squad look like proper Long Fangs, however. I hope we see a wolfed-out Redemptor, and a full-service upgrade sprue, with vehicle icons etc.

That said, it does feel as though Cathay stole the show this time. Easily the best-looking TOW army.

I was thinking that it might be cool if the servitor models were available to every Imperium and Chaos faction, since they all use them. I know that it will never happen, but it's an interesting thought.

 Gallahad wrote:
New Sand and Stone release is one of the most pathetic I've seen from any wargaming company.

Why? It's just a spearhead expansion?

What a second wave for World Eaters. Character for the new unit I hate, plus daemons. Bloody whoopee. Enjoy living in my wardrobe, Kharn.

Kill Team: Typhon and the new Tzeentch automata were the highlights for me. Some of the SW stuff looks pretty good, but I still hate Primaris so that cancels it out

An interesting preview show to say the least!

Cathay looks very decent, which is a surprise for me, as I don’t like the style. But the sculpts (especially the cannon) and general army appearance are winning me over. Didn’t expect them to get 3 massive kits either.
I do think they would look better in “evil” colours though

My lovely beastmen, I pray you come before wood elves and get something more, than just one new shaman (who admittedly looks pretty cool, and might even see play, considering he’s a lvl4, and maybe shenanigans with his familiar add some value). The battle force is lackluster, at least another 10 gors would sweeten the deal and cover the infantry need pretty much in all types of army builds other than horde. And we’re stuck with an ugly cygor/ghorhon. Mierce miniatures will get my money yet again.

Kill team - my favourite part of the show. Ravenours- awesome. Servitors- great.
I’m yet to pick up the wrecka krew, but damn - kill team is killing it (ha-ha…..)

 PenitentJake wrote:

I like the servitors, but wanted an Ogryn servitor.

Job's already done.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-CA/shop/Jotunn-H-grade-Servitor-Ogryns-2020?srsltid=AfmBOooEwwOKugI1MmBLLPtwP3mEEVI1JsZvmgdwEGUqIGDSczPk8i-_

Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

But guys! Of course GW aren't going to release Cathay yet, because they're focusing on the Old World and the Empire civil war and... oh.
~RECALIBRATING~
But guys! Of course GW are going to release Cathay, because they said they would before Old World launched!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's one of the worst previews they've ever put out.

With takes as divorced from reality as this, I'd advise a career in politics - assuming you're talking about the event as a whole, anyway.

Three out of the four games got a good-to-great preview, and even AOS got confirmation of a new scenario pack and four new Spearheads. I'd argue the event where they just confirmed the Christmas Battleforces was worse than this one for AOS, at a minimum.

The Cathy troops and leaders look incredible. And then they ruin it all with the paper latern........

Space Wolves leaders look awesome and so does the Tyranid Kill Team. Can see that selling out straight away just for the terrain.

The 1kSons bots look like they took Khayons plundering to heart and decided to go too far.

It was an impressive turn out for the expected games.

I must say that it's good to see at least one GW game offering new content where solo-cooperative play is concerned. Coupled with it's "bugs'n'borg" theme, the Kill Team set is probably going to be an impulse purchase.

Knights are up next! Hooray! Sound the warhorns!

Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Hopefully they will revitalize older WHFB models in the future. Maybe 2nd edition?
There are some models for very iconic factions in several need of an update. If they were able to release such an awesome range for a new faction, maybe they will also show some love for the older ones?

Fingers crossed.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Old World marketing started with Cathay and Kislev - GW pretty much HAD to do them. When the choice came to push out old models and armies as well GW clearly shifted gears to put the older armies first and steadily bring out more and more until the totally brand new ones came at the end. Mine the mine for nostalgia and past models then hit them with new. I fully expect after Kislev that we will start to see either a 2.0 or update edition where we begin to get replacement new models for the other armies. Just like every other main-studio game that GW operates.

 InfernalMiniatures wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Hopefully they will revitalize older WHFB models in the future. Maybe 2nd edition?
There are some models for very iconic factions in several need of an update. If they were able to release such an awesome range for a new faction, maybe they will also show some love for the older ones?

Fingers crossed.

I guess it's contingent on the succes of the Cathay release. And I'm not too worried, cause I'm pretty sure it will be a huge succes.The range is beautiful, and it's probably gonna be a huge hit in the asian market (which is growing fast IIRC)


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 Overread wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Old World marketing started with Cathay and Kislev - GW pretty much HAD to do them. When the choice came to push out old models and armies as well GW clearly shifted gears to put the older armies first and steadily bring out more and more until the totally brand new ones came at the end. Mine the mine for nostalgia and past models then hit them with new. I fully expect after Kislev that we will start to see either a 2.0 or update edition where we begin to get replacement new models for the other armies. Just like every other main-studio game that GW operates.

Kislev yes, but I don't recall Cathay being promoted at first. And also, a bit off topic, but i'm not too happy that the first two new armies released are human factions.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Kislev yes, but I don't recall Cathay being promoted at first. And also, a bit off topic, but i'm not too happy that the first two new armies released are human factions.

Most of the armies that never got a release in the Old World days were human factions. Amazons, Cathay, Nippon, Araby - all human faction or at least focused around humans at their core.

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

They're new. They're slightly modified primaris armor (phobos for BC, taciticicisus for GH) with some old helmets and a couple other design elements. They're notably low key not using the word Primaris again, same as the main codex.
It looks like all the old weapon options got ganked though, except plasma pistols on sergeants. But from the sounds of it they got ++ rules in exchange. 3 shot bolt carbines, OC3, 7" move on Blood Claws, etc.


From a broad perspective, this looks like they're doing nu-marine versions of the old marine kits so they can finish the purge. The next loyalist codex (either 10.5 or 11) likely won't have any of the old stuff. It will be interesting to see what happens to Long Fangs (the mixed weapons don't fit the new doctrine) and the Wolf Wolf Wolfers, as the riders were out of scale for old marines and will look extremely silly now. They did say there was more to come, but that may just be Named Character shenanigans.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
At the earliest I'll see Imperial Knights in 2026.

They did briefly show a roadmap. (1:15:20 in the video)
Chaos and Wolfs are 'now'
BT, GK, Chaos Knights AND Imperial Knights are 'Next'
More loyalist marines (lesser chapters get their special characters in plastic?) are 'on the horizon'
vague Votann(?) shape is 'the future'

 BorderCountess wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

The bone white absolutely robs any detail the sculpt might have. There's also a distracting attempt to give it weathering that doesn't work at all. I'll be very curious to see them painted differently, because most of the sculpt is just really hard to figure out with that scheme.

Cathay look great. I think some of the centerpiece models are doing some serious heavy lifting and I'd be less exciting about the army as a whole if they aren't must takes, but its an undeniably jaw dropping reveal.

New wolves look really great. Just, great really. Easily some of the best head options GW has ever produced and the wolf stuff looks great without going overboard. Never been all in on these guys, but this is exactly why so many people do.

Chaos releases are as expected. Mostly good to fine, but definitely overshadowed by the bigger launches. Hopefully now that we're done reorganizing they can get some be waves of new stuff in the future.

Kill Team stuff looks fine. The Ravaners are superb, the Mechanicus is meh. Looking forward to seeing more of them on the table. Great terrain too.

One of the best presentations. I was hoping to learn more about Knights, but that's a tiny complaint to what a good show this was.

great show, all around. ksons mech and Cathay are def the highlights for me, plus the kill team stuff

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

The Wolf Priest's pose looks awfully similar to Obsidius Mallex's from Blackstone Fortress!

Well this was a flop for me personally

Space Wolves - don't care

Grey Knights - don't care

Thousand Sons - terrible sculpts, I guess they're riffing on some 80s Chaos Robot sculpt but they're aesthetically too far from anything CSM are doing today. Ossiarchs innn spaaace?

Spearhead: All recycled sprues?

Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

Cathay: Decent but not jaw dropping. Which is a good thing for WHFB fans I suppose, we don't want it looking all cray cray like AoS. Lantern is great.

Wood Elves and Beastmen: don't care

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

They look Imperial Eldar

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

I'm morbidly curious - what's up with the Servitors?

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Given their apparent size, just using Ushabti might be an option.

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Tzeentch approves your confused and mixed feelings!

 CMLR wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Love how the new Blood Claws have Primaris armour but don’t have those edges on the knees. Great for making retro true scale Marines!

It's because is not Tacticus armor

Are you sure? they still have the tassets on the thighs, the ankle circles and the torso pec plate as well as the primaris backpack (without the extra plate on the roundels). Lacking the rim on the knees seems pretty minor to make them a different type of armour...

What are they supposed to be? It's not phobos armour and it doesn't match any earlier mark. Are they inventing special blood claw armour now?

Space Wolves are arguably more notable for piecing together a complete suit for bits and bobs. At least, that’s the aesthetic that sticks in my mind, compared to other squads just being a mix of armour Marks, a Space Wolf model is a mix of armour Marks*.

I’d chalk it up to the same thing.

*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

The Wolf Priest's pose looks awfully similar to Obsidius Mallex's from Blackstone Fortress!

CAD design means they can copy and paste poses and designs now, its particularly evident in the space marine range.

I love the servitors, shocked its taken them this long to rerelease a full unit of them

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

I'm loving the Cathay stuff... Anyone know how newer Old World releases scale with the older stuff? Are they keeping to the classic scale, or going with the more modern upsized scaling?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

Plus, putting better armor on the reckless youth is likely to keep more of them alive to temper their tempers.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...


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 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The Space Wolves don't strike me as the brightest bulbs on the tree.

 BorderCountess wrote:
I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...

And yet most cultures send their young people off to fight. It's something to do with being less concerned with mortality.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...


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 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The Space Wolves don't strike me as the brightest bulbs on the tree.

IIRC the wolves recruit into the young adult range as well. Because they are the rule breakers; what other chapters do they are the exception for.

Parts of their fluff is all over the place and not consistent with the overall lore.

Unless its an extreme time of war you don't send all your children to the front-line.

Some go, but others stay so a Marine can easily have brothers and sisters who go on to carry on the family name and so forth.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

I'm morbidly curious - what's up with the Servitors?

Personally, they look too.... normal?

Servitors are consistently described with a fairly tortured, half-alive existence. These are pretty beefy, well-fed looking guys with a few augmetics. I think exactly one has a somewhat skeletal head. The breacher, technomedic and auto-proxy honestly look like lower-middle laborers headed to work after a fairly effective arm routine at the gym, but still leaves a bit of a gut.

The old metals looked grim and beaten down, hunched and miserable. The 30k tech-thralls are horrors, even with a similar black body-glove- it comes out in their posture (few stand straight, and several have a bit of a zombie shuffle going on) and the missing bits and scarred joins between flesh and metal.

The KT fellows look like they'll pass the evening at the Auto-brewery listening to the Binaric Can't (a music group that does sciene-themed rap battles) after they clock out for the day.

Voss wrote:

The old metals looked grim and beaten down, hunched and miserable. The 30k tech-thralls are horrors, even with a similar black body-glove- it comes out in their posture (few stand straight, and several have a bit of a zombie shuffle going on) and the missing bits and scarred joins between flesh and metal.

The KT fellows look like they'll pass the evening at the Auto-brewery listening to the Binaric Can't (a music group that does sciene-themed rap battles) after they clock out for the day.

I guess the reasoning would be that these are the relatively elite Kill Team servitors for operations where one can't afford a feth-up caused by a glitchy human component (for the machine would never fail) rather than the hordes whose job is to soak up bullets.

I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

 NAVARRO wrote:
I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

Nothing concrete on the wolves. Just the stock “more to come, keep an eye on WarCom”

I don’t think Votann were mentioned at all. Although a mystery image in the roadmap might be them.

Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

Nothing concrete on the wolves. Just the stock “more to come, keep an eye on WarCom”

I don’t think Votann were mentioned at all. Although a mystery image in the roadmap might be them.

Thanks mate. I guess it's pretty much done for this year. No Votann then.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

IIRC that was when they were talking about the new mission deck.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

Sounded like Chapter Approved.

Definitely the new mission deck.

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

The new servitors are excellent.

Remember they are combat servitors, they are in keeping with the look established for imperial servitors as far back as the 2nd edition servitors, which was carried on with 3rd and 4th edition models.

Expecting them to be like a kind of undead/hald dead creature is confusing them with 30k tech thralls.

robbienw wrote:
The new servitors are excellent.

Remember they are combat servitors, they are in keeping with the look established for imperial servitors as far back as the 2nd edition servitors, which was carried on with 3rd and 4th edition models.

Expecting them to be like a kind of undead/hald dead creature is confusing them with 30k tech thralls.

Did you notice that the host mention that the priest could take control of enemy servitors... makes me wonder about the Gun Servitors in the Imperial Agents list.

Power armor can't really be a priceless relic if there's a new model of it (and has been, several times). I know people are afraid that being able to make something somehow makes the world less grimdark, but honestly the war machine churning out endless replacements for recruits to replace the fallen isn't exactly less bleak than somehow never running out of old suits no matter how many of them get obliterated.

Both can true.

They’re not terribly easy to manufacture, but there does seem to be a constant production line of new and replacement parts.

Yet, a Marine cares for and venerates his armour. Sure, the big repairs are done by specialists, but the day-to-day and spit and polish is done by the owning Marine. So it’s no longer a suit of Power Armour, it’s his suit of Power Armour.

Suits are also refurbished and reissued when the owner is slain. Even if it was something nasty that did for him, and all that’s left was the Comedy Smoking Boots? They’ll be added to the stock pile to be reissued after repair. And the new owner will be told of their August History as part of Chapter tradition.

Hence, whilst kind of mass produced (not in masses, but not hand made), each suit in active service is absolutely an irreplaceable, priceless relic of that Chapter.

I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

Crispy78 wrote:
I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

I thought TFA suits were still being made, just in very small numbers. But yes, priceless relics.

Ultima Chapters got Terminator armour, so it is still in production.

 Quixote wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

I wonder why the notoriously hated Chapter can't get reliable logistics.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that those servitors will be added to the Ad mech list. A number of years ago I converted a servitor unit that looked like mini Kataphrons.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Im keeping my fingers crossed that those servitors will be added to the Ad mech list. A number of years ago I converted a servitor unit that looked like mini Kataphrons.

I'd assume so, it uses the same technoarcheologist that is already in admech.

Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

 Overread wrote:
Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

For the Nids I wonder if they will make a new entry of “Ravener primes” or something and include all the wacky options in the full codex. Or just ignore them. New kits can mess with NMNR, so what’s in the box has a lot of power. Or do they keep the legacy rules for the old models?

GW is horribly inconsistent with what they do.

Part of it is that 3 years isn't very long of an edition cycle and as each edition is a full rework you can easily get modles half way through that change from old to "work in progress for the new edition" design elements

So yeah it can get all kinds of messy and confusing.


From the video it sounds like the kit will produce a full regular set of raveners or one of each of the new specialists.
The BEST Thing is that the specialists are leader models that you can only take 1 of per squad for 40K and the rest are regulars.

The WORST is that GW makes it so you can take one of each upgrade per squad and then costs them at 0 so you "can" in theory take regular ones but you never would because the specialist ones are better.

The Neutral is indeed having regulars and one or two of the specialists with 40K rules and then the rest can't feature on 40K tables.



I'd hope they go for the best.

 Overread wrote:
Part of it is that 3 years isn't very long of an edition cycle and as each edition is a full rework you can easily get modles half way through that change from old to "work in progress for the new edition" design elements

So yeah it can get all kinds of messy and confusing.


From the video it sounds like the kit will produce a full regular set of raveners or one of each of the new specialists.
The BEST Thing is that the specialists are leader models that you can only take 1 of per squad for 40K and the rest are regulars.

The WORST is that GW makes it so you can take one of each upgrade per squad and then costs them at 0 so you "can" in theory take regular ones but you never would because the specialist ones are better.

The Neutral is indeed having regulars and one or two of the specialists with 40K rules and then the rest can't feature on 40K tables.



I'd hope they go for the best.

They could always go the custodes route: Ravener unit is 2-3 models, and there is an option for a hero version.

When's the next Preview Event?

 Nevelon wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

I thought TFA suits were still being made, just in very small numbers. But yes, priceless relics.

Terminator armor is most definitely still being made, the Sharks received brand new ones from the Mechanicus in the beginning of Outer Dark.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

For the Nids I wonder if they will make a new entry of “Ravener primes” or something and include all the wacky options in the full codex. Or just ignore them. New kits can mess with NMNR, so what’s in the box has a lot of power. Or do they keep the legacy rules for the old models?

GW is horribly inconsistent with what they do.

I'd be a little suspicious with the Horms being included that there isn't a Kill team ravener sprue, and that most of those could be kit options for the updated unit.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

IIRC, there were 1 or 2 successor chapters, Wolf Brothers and somebody else?
But they didn't prosper, and the Adeptus Terra doesn't use their gene seed for new foundings.

There was one successor, they went mad and nothing else was done as SW being away from Fenris for too long results in major problems hence any chapter using their gene seed would need to return once in a while

Thats old lore, theres now several primaris Space Wolf successor chapters, most notably the Wolfspear, but also the Moon Eaters and Icefangs

lets see if those stay, as there are also technically no Primaris Grey Hunters in the current lore but the new Codex has them

which is basically what I am most curious about, what parts of the lore get adjusted with the new book as the stuff about Cawl solving all gene seed problems with Primaris is gone

 Quixote wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

I don't know if any story published that had newly manufactured power armour, virtually all marines were wearing suits hundred or thousands of years old and continually patching them.

But even then, if power armour is churned out then why do all other marines restrict it to full battle brothers? If it's that easy to get then everyone could start out in it. Any positive for survival of a blood claws applies to any other neophytes.

By simple numbers the spaces deploy a third to half again as much power armour into the field as any other chapter because all their neophytes are in it and their scouts are rare elites.

And every neophyte gets a suit, not just some. There aren't neophytes waiting or wearing scout armour in the meantime, they all get a suit and are never not able to get one. Each great company recruits it's own neophytes and equips them independently of one another, unlike other chapters were they are all integrated together and yet still have enough suits.

And people missing the point that Space Wolves are have a Forge on Fenris and produce everything on their own

They can get fresh Power Armour for their recruits because they produce it on Fenris and don't need to ask the AM for supplies like other Chapters

Another point is that other Chapters have a tradition that one needs to earn them the right to wear armour, which isn't a supply issue either

but in general, 90% of the background falls apart of one ask to many questions because the whole thing of everything being a 10k year old relic that is hard to get, while at the same time billions are lost every second is just over the top story telling to make everything sound more awesome without ever had a thought wasted on how that should work

 Hellebore wrote:

I don't know if any story published that had newly manufactured power armour, virtually all marines were wearing suits hundred or thousands of years old and continually patching them.

As I stated, Outer Dark. The Mechanicus delivers brand new, unpainted power armor, terminator armor, and vehicles(including a Land Raider) to the Sharks and do so fairly regularly in exchange for relics found during their missions. They're known as Grey Tithes among the Sharks.

Going forward it would be nice to have something other than competitive-wargame-edition-grind to offer. Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest at the very least...

SamusDrake wrote:
Going forward it would be nice to have something other than competitive-wargame-edition-grind to offer. Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest at the very least...

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

 Quixote wrote:

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

You mean the competitive wargame without the edition grind?

SamusDrake wrote:

 Quixote wrote:

You misspelled Adeptus Titanicus.

You mean the competitive wargame without the edition grind?

That's the one.

The game where we get new models and new rules in a completely different game's boxes.

I keep buying Legion Imperialis boxes, and Tipping them over like a box of crackerjacks looking for the free prize inside. There's the dashboard I need!

 Quixote wrote:


That's the one.

The game where we get new models and new rules in a completely different game's boxes.

I keep buying Legion Imperialis boxes, and Tipping them over like a box of crackerjacks looking for the free prize inside. There's the dashboard I need!

So damn true!

On the one hand I'd like to see a new edition of AT to at least revamp the Knight rules, but on the other there's something "underground-scene-cool" that it's current edition is now 6+ years old and still rocking a good value starter set.

But while AT and LI are my jam for classic competitive wargaming, it's certainly not the only thing I'd want to see in these previews. While I have been looking at MESBG, I think I'd only buy the models as one only needs so many comp-wargames in their life. That game has also launched with a new edition firmly aimed at the competitive crowd, even though it's bread & butter is supposed to be narrative.

Golden demon winners

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zvwn30fc/golden-demon-2025-winners-revealed-at-adepticon/


So many good entries this year.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Golden demon winners

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zvwn30fc/golden-demon-2025-winners-revealed-at-adepticon/


So many good entries this year.

Is that guy's surname REALLY "Orcbutt"?

Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm loving the Cathay stuff... Anyone know how newer Old World releases scale with the older stuff? Are they keeping to the classic scale, or going with the more modern upsized scaling?

Everything they’ve released so far has pretty much fit the scale. But it’s been mostly characters on foot so easy to do. But the Bret peg character and bone dragon were to scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

Probably referring to how they are all the same style. All very clean, all the same sort of highlighting and shading, all kind of blend together when you scroll past them.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lots of very skilled paint by numbers. Mediocre year for creativity.

What kind of statement is that?

Probably referring to how they are all the same style. All very clean, all the same sort of highlighting and shading, all kind of blend together when you scroll past them.

You could make that comment every year. A certain style comes from competition painting. I'm going to have to disagree, I think most have managed to be unique.

Have to say, I miss the days when the models weren't all on giant plinths... They're really distracting.

Other than that, some lovely entries,. It's definitely a more understated style overall compared to some previous years, but there are some very clever pieces in there. Love the smokey Ork/Sister 'duel'.

Does anyone have any idea what the Chaos battleforce prices are? Comparable with the Emperor's children release? Codex included?

They should be around the same as the Guard & EC army sets, but with extra models and no codex / datacards.

I expect them to compare with holiday battleforces price wise. No codex.