It’s 2026 – a brand new year, so what’s on the horizon? We know that the Maggotkin of Nurgle are plodding into pre-order this weekend, and we already have our tickets booked to visit the 500 Worlds of Ultramar and Grand Cathay, and that’s only the start of what is set to be a bumper year for Warhammer.
Well, we’re only one day in and here’s news of the Warhammer first preview show of the year!
The New Year Warhammer Preview Live! 2026 will be beamed across the world from right here at Warhammer World. Adam and Eddie will be your hosts, guiding you through all the awesome new reveals. Did you catch the subtle hints as to what might be coming in the video?
We can confirm The New Year preview will cover Warhammer 40,000, Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Warhammer: The Horus Heresy, and Blood Bowl.
One thing that seems like a good bet for this preview is that we’ll find out more about Huron Blackheart’s Red Corsairs and the turbulent realm of the Maelstrom. Some of you might even have heard the reports, and seen the warp-distorted pict captures of battles from that cursed region.
We know that Huron isn’t pirating alone, and today we can show you one of his most loyal followers: This is Garreon the Corpsemaster – former Chief Apothecary of the Astral Claws, and rumoured to be one responsible for piecing Huron back together after he met the wrong end of a meltagun at the Siege of Badab.
He’s just one of a veritable battle barge full of new Corsairs*, sailing your way soon. You can see more of Huron, Garreon and the rest of the Red Corsairs live in the Preview show.
The show will be going out live at 7:30pm on the 16th of January, and you can watch it all on either Twitch or YouTube. And of course, we’ll have all the details and the massive photos of miniatures right here on Warhammer Community as soon as they’re revealed on the live stream.
So, file the date and time in your new 2026 calendar and we’ll see you right back here on WarCom for a sensational preview show!
* The Red Corsairs are not the only piratical force abroad across the stars… we’re hearing that there might be even faster and pointier pirates about too, but you’ll have to wait a little longer for full news on that.
Right hand end - that silhouette could fit a Loxatl from the Gaunts Ghosts series; it even appears to have a weapon barrel under the chest (Loxatl were lizard like alien mercenaries who used chest harness mounted flechette blasters).
A powerful mercenary like that would fit right in with Huron's retinue imo.
Cypher226 wrote: Right hand end - that silhouette could fit a Loxatl from the Gaunts Ghosts series; it even appears to have a weapon barrel under the chest (Loxatl were lizard like alien mercenaries who used chest harness mounted flechette blasters).
A powerful mercenary like that would fit right in with Huron's retinue imo.
To the opposite end, I'm going to guess that the neckless wonder is a Tarellian dog soldier.
I'm just wondering how this will fit into the existing 40k armies - is it a Chaos hero group ala Gaunt's Ghosts? or a new Character & Elite unit for Heretics Astartes?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Seems to be the same setup as the Macragge Lads coming for 500 Worlds.
Dunno if that helps any!
Which means they may end up being able to join a unit alongside Huron, that'd be pretty spicy. Them, Huron, 5 chosen in a land raider? Shame epic heroes can't join Nemesis Claw, that'd be perfect for a list themed around the time First Claw helped Huron invade a loyalist chapter's fortress monastery.
NH Gunsmith wrote: Come on and finally give us High Elves for Blood Bowl GW.
I appreciate that they are one of, if not the last, of the classic teams needing an update, but Blood Bowl already has too many Elf teams and not enough Dwarf teams - let's not make the ratio worse, eh?
Cypher226 wrote: Right hand end - that silhouette could fit a Loxatl from the Gaunts Ghosts series; it even appears to have a weapon barrel under the chest (Loxatl were lizard like alien mercenaries who used chest harness mounted flechette blasters).
A powerful mercenary like that would fit right in with Huron's retinue imo.
To the opposite end, I'm going to guess that the neckless wonder is a Tarellian dog soldier.
They both existed for so long that it would be nice if GW got around to making a miniature of either. Both would be best of course.
NH Gunsmith wrote: Come on and finally give us High Elves for Blood Bowl GW.
I appreciate that they are one of, if not the last, of the classic teams needing an update, but Blood Bowl already has too many Elf teams and not enough Dwarf teams - let's not make the ratio worse, eh?
Dwarfs aren't really that far off ratio wise. They have:
Dwarfs
Chaos Dwarfs
Old World Alliance (it is really just a Dwarf team that can take a few Human players and a Stunty or two)
Elves have four teams:
Wood Elves
Elven Union
Dark Elves
High Elves
While High Elves and Elven Union could have likely been merged going into Season 3, I would rather GW just finish the teams on the Teams of Legend list in case GW decides to drop Blood Bowl again before getting a new and unexpected team.
Good luck, but I suspect it's too early for that. At the time anything from the January preview releases. Mk.II wouldn't even be a year old.
But HH releases is not based om logic or sense, its basicly what they feel like releasing. So anything is fsir game.
Yeah we did get refreshed Cataphractii Terminators only 6 months after they released Saturnine Terminators, and they did say the rate of transition to plastic was accelerating at the time of 3rd edition's release, so who knows. I do think we'll be waiting a while longer for either Mark IV or Mark V though, maybe late this year - just a feeling.
NH Gunsmith wrote: Come on and finally give us High Elves for Blood Bowl GW.
In the video, the women with elf ears being escorted by the pirate is carrying a small bloodbowl ball, so I think you're going to be in luck.
I saw those teasers as well, but I also wouldn't put it past GW to drop all those hints for it to be a new Death Zone book lol. GW has been dragging out making updated kits for the Teams of Legend since 2016, so I am not getting my hopes up too high (yet).
IMO too close to MK2. Every MK release has also been a big boxed set so my guess is when they have a bunch of things to release they'll put them out. Maybe a box full of destroyers, Seekers and plastic Javelins or land speeders to make it a "must buy". But I wouldn't think that would happen before Summer.
MkVI and MkIII didn’t have a huge gap between them.
MkVI of course debuted in Age of Darkness. MkIII in the army set with the Deredeo. And whilst I can’t remember exact dates? I bought the MkIII and Deredeo set no later than Halloween 2023, possibly 2022.
Life has been a bit of a blur the past few years, so apologies for vagueness on years.
Hm, we already know Skitarii and Myrmidons are gonna have new rules, that seems like a lot of content already for one Journal
True, but I'm thinking a few new plastic kits of existing resin units to make it a big themed release. I'm not sure if there's a pattern there already- big show of force when a journal drops.
MkVI of course debuted in Age of Darkness. MkIII in the army set with the Deredeo. And whilst I can’t remember exact dates? I bought the MkIII and Deredeo set no later than Halloween 2023, possibly 2022.
Life has been a bit of a blur the past few years, so apologies for vagueness on years.
That would have been 2023. Mk.III was released a year and a quarter after the 2nd ed core box. Happily coinciding with the newly embiggened 40k Terminators, so I could get a squad of each in the same order.
Dudeface wrote: Huron definitely has a closer entourage and a retinue is common amongst chaos lords.
He really doesn't; in fact, he actively distrusts every single one of his warband leaders or officers. Even Garreon and Valthex aren't trusted because Huron knows they'll step aside or back an opposing warlord if they smell blood.
And a squad of Chosen or Terminators is very different from having an entire unit of character models that would be better served being, y'know, character models.
Blood Bowl one (lass holding the cuddly Blood Bowl Ball) draws attention to star shaped glasses.
Only team I can think of (bearing in mind limited familiarity with the game) is Chaos All Stars. And they don’t seem to have a plastic team.
She also had elf ears, so I'm assuming an elven Star Player.
Yeah. Probably means Star Players being revealed. Are there any presently unrepresented in model form? As I don’t recall SP’s being previewed without their home team in recent years.
Dudeface wrote: Huron definitely has a closer entourage and a retinue is common amongst chaos lords.
He really doesn't; in fact, he actively distrusts every single one of his warband leaders or officers. Even Garreon and Valthex aren't trusted because Huron knows they'll step aside or back an opposing warlord if they smell blood.
And a squad of Chosen or Terminators is very different from having an entire unit of character models that would be better served being, y'know, character models.
And yet, they're his retinue narratively, they fight and exist together in the fluff. Seeing some representation for some characters on the table top is always a good thing, I'm not sure why you're so angry about it.
And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Gert wrote: And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Ok, apologies, your written tone is coming across as snippy and irritated as an FYI.
Gert wrote: And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Gaunt's Ghosts almost never fight in the formation included in their box; the top three officers together with a scout and a sniper. We'll just have to learn to accept that GW just throws characters from a faction together into a box and calls it a command squad.
Gert wrote: And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Gaunt's Ghosts almost never fight in the formation included in their box; the top three officers together with a scout and a sniper. We'll just have to learn to accept that GW just throws characters from a faction together into a box and calls it a command squad.
Same with the recent box of Ultramarine weirdos, sometimes having the models and unit is the best you're going to get and that's cooler than not having anything. Objectively until presumably later in the year red corsairs have more support than iron warriors, night lords, alpha legion, word bearers and weirdly black legion.
There’s every chance they’re equivalent to the sets that first introduced Guilliman and Cawl.
Short term boxed sets of characters which will be eventually released individually.
Which of course could be partially confirmed or outright denied if there are sprue pics out there. All in one? I’m dead wrong. A sprue per model? I may be on to something.
Blood Bowl one (lass holding the cuddly Blood Bowl Ball) draws attention to star shaped glasses.
Only team I can think of (bearing in mind limited familiarity with the game) is Chaos All Stars. And they don’t seem to have a plastic team.
She also had elf ears, so I'm assuming an elven Star Player.
Yeah. Probably means Star Players being revealed. Are there any presently unrepresented in model form? As I don’t recall SP’s being previewed without their home team in recent years.
I'd say it's much more likely we're getting the High Elf team rather than only star players, it's a similar amount of time that Necromantic launched after the Season 2 box.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: There’s every chance they’re equivalent to the sets that first introduced Guilliman and Cawl.
Short term boxed sets of characters which will be eventually released individually.
Which of course could be partially confirmed or outright denied if there are sprue pics out there. All in one? I’m dead wrong. A sprue per model? I may be on to something.
Those were from the days before GW's strict 'what's in the box is a unit' approach. We can be optimistic that maybe 11th edition will return to those Good Ol Days, but I for one reckon the grim darkness foretells only chunky HQ units.
Gert wrote: And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Gaunt's Ghosts almost never fight in the formation included in their box; the top three officers together with a scout and a sniper. We'll just have to learn to accept that GW just throws characters from a faction together into a box and calls it a command squad.
Same with the recent box of Ultramarine weirdos, sometimes having the models and unit is the best you're going to get and that's cooler than not having anything. Objectively until presumably later in the year red corsairs have more support than iron warriors, night lords, alpha legion, word bearers and weirdly black legion.
A bunch of the wardens are explicitly non-combat characters as well, or at least would never be on the front-line fighting. One of them is a diplomat, another an admiral.
Gert wrote: And yet they just straight up aren't. They're senior commanders in the Red Corsairs, not Huron's retinue or command squad.
In Blood Reaver he fights with a Terminator squad, in Master of the Maelstrom he fights with a few different units (none of them including Valthex or Garreon), and in The Gildar Rift he also doesn't fight with a specific retinue (in fact Garreon never steps foot off the Wolf of Fenris).
So, in fact, Huron doesn't fight with a specific retinue of super friends hence why I am hoping it's not just a copy of a command squad or the Titus Friend Brigade.
And kindly don't assign emotions to me, we are having a discussion and my disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make me angry.
Gaunt's Ghosts almost never fight in the formation included in their box; the top three officers together with a scout and a sniper. We'll just have to learn to accept that GW just throws characters from a faction together into a box and calls it a command squad.
Same with the recent box of Ultramarine weirdos, sometimes having the models and unit is the best you're going to get and that's cooler than not having anything. Objectively until presumably later in the year red corsairs have more support than iron warriors, night lords, alpha legion, word bearers and weirdly black legion.
The Grotmas sheets for Dark Water have 0-1 per hero, meaning Kelthannor can be in pure Sylvaneth while the rest are Sigmar.
That's Legends for AoS of course, but if anything they can take a page from that if they wanna let players go for lore next who am I kidding? They were ALWAYS operating together in the books because matched play reasons....
Would work nicely for Necromunda. Its a nice sculpt, but personally not really a fan of more and more of these non-combatants as 40k models - what is a space ship captain doing wandering (floating) around on the battlefield? I get it for Blackstone Fortress and things like that, but just seems out of place in mainline 40k.
And I'd personally also much rather have these "supporting casts" as generic versions than always more named characters - same as the new seer of some description that looks to be coming with Yriel.
Not too sure about the High Elf team, the white lions should have the tall helms too, and the linemen helmets look a bit small. I think I preferred how the team looked in the BB2 video game.
The corsairs (of both kinds) are nice, but fairly boring. Except Yriel, who's terrible. The hell is that pose.
The OBR still looks like they popped out of a sunday morning cartoon. They dont look sinister at all, just goofy. Hard hard pass
I really like the Tallerian bounty hunter with her barghessi (though the latter looks a bit too feral for my liking), and the High elf and tzeench characters are fairly nice, but the rest is just ok imo
Honestly Custodes are the only (barring possibly space wolves) marine force that I'd go for - proper gothic over the top armour and styling and the dreadnoughts always looked awesome compared to the boxy regular marine ones.
YodhrinsForge wrote: Yup, because only incels can dislike arbitrary change for the sake of change that adds nothing of value.
No, you can dislike them, but we all know a bunch of people who don't even follow, let alone, play, Warhammer are going to be making a lot of angry videos again.
We be trending on the incel blogosphere tomorrow, boys
Yup, because only incels can dislike arbitrary change for the sake of change that adds nothing of value.
Pretty indifferent about this whole ''controversy'', but I must admit that I always found it a bit creepy that some men are ecstatic every time a minis has "boobs"...
This was an excellent preview. The Red Corsairs are probably the best looking CSM models GW has ever made, and I am really tempted to start a chaos army now.
And the Eldar are excellent too, and I am really pleasantly surprised by the super retro seer.
And whilst I am not a huge fan of the Custodes, the new models look truly excellent, and it is great that the tanks and dreads are in plastic now. And of course it is awesome that the female Custodes finally have models.
Yeah, but they've discontined both Blackstone and Cursed City at the same time, leaving the 40K brand with a substantial board game. They can only go so far on small B&N exclusives for that stretch of time.
There are a number of resin custodes that haven't crossed the Rubicon plasticaris yet as well for later releases- long bikes, aquilon termies, sagitarii, Pallas Grav attack, and the telemon. Maybe a second box set next year to cover a lot of those?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Upside of Custards coming to plastic is they’re points intensive, they’re going to be a relatively affordable army.
Note I did not say cheap.
They've been plastic for 5+ years, so the affordability is not new. That's actually why I picked them when I got into the hobby. The only things that are now available in plastic (and weren't before) are the tanks, dreadnoughts, and the Venatari (the fellows with wings).
Quite a bland preview show this time around. No roadmaps for any systems, and we sorta knew about everything that was shown.
Loving all the new HH reveals. Glaive and Whirlwind are going on the shopping list. The 40K Corsair jump troops are aight if a little bland. Yriel looks dope, I also like that new Corsair psyker with their "Sandman" style helmet.
Only thing which I thought looked dumb were the AOS bonereaper stuff. I personally much prefer traditional looking skellies.
...why the heck were does the High Elf team suddenly get better armour? They're Elves, for crying out loud, it's meant to hurt them if you can get to them to hit them.
Big crab claw and exhaust back, prob updated defiler.
The open palm claw and massive hammer makes me think non-hellbrute chaos dread....unless those are mutilators returning.
I welcome more daemon engine stuff.
Red Corsair stuff looks good.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Good thing I never got around to painting my Custodes. Won't feel bad about replacing them all with the new plastics!
Yeah, on one hand I’m super happy they likely got their scale update so they aren’t the same size as regular old space marines and the new models look amazing! On the other hand, now my old Custodes will look short and outdated and I kinda wish I didn’t grab them recently . On the secret sinister third hand, I’m so happy forgeworld is now in plastic, I’ve been begging and hoping for this for so long and I’m so glad I can finally get them!
Mixed feelings on the custodes, they are very ornate but they left the lower leg armor very plain resulting in an unbalanced aesthetic. I don't think I prefer these over the 40k versions, just kinda apathetic about it. Sisters of SIlence being forgotten again is also a disappointment.
Probably one of the best mini previews they've done.
The corsairs of both kinds are fantastic. I'm a little sad about the Viper update because although it looks great the original mini is one of my favourites. My original pair are lost in the mists of time so I'd like to get one before the end.
Love the Red Corsairs - looks like this is a refresh of the Lost and the Damned with Traitor Guard?
While I'm sad it's not a new Kroot unit, the Dog Soldier looks pretty cool and I'm happy to see one finally get a model. That being said, other factions now officially have more T'au auxilliaries than the T'au do... (T'au have Vespid and Kroot, Agents have the Jokaero, Votaan = Demiurg, and Chaos now has the Tarellian Dog Soilders.)
I've been waffling on collecting a Tzeentch Daemons army for quite a while now, so that Battleforce is looking mighty tempting. A good spread of models and 840 points (for 40k) in the box. If I can scrounge up enough cash and there are enough available, I might get two.
Olthannon wrote: Probably one of the best mini previews they've done.
The corsairs of both kinds are fantastic. I'm a little sad about the Viper update because although it looks great the original mini is one of my favourites. My original pair are lost in the mists of time so I'd like to get one before the end.
Love the Red Corsairs - looks like this is a refresh of the Lost and the Damned with Traitor Guard?
I have to agree. The corsairs (of both sorts!) and the new custodes are both stellar. I'm also a sucker for all things High Elf, so the Lumineth hero and the new Blood Bowl team were great to see.
Cannot wait for the Iron Warriors stuff. I am really hoping the massive claw is a new defiler more in line with the Maulerfiend aesthetic.
Defiler and Soulgrinder were always very odd models - very much from that era of GW models where there was a lot of quirky stiff/blocky designs. really looking forward to what GW can do with redesigns of them!
The red corsair stuff is all amazing. I'll pick a bunch up.
I'll also need a glaive.
The whirlwind not so much, still prefer the idea of using the new tarantula missile turret for an old school look.
The custodies dreads and tanks are great, the infantry not so much. Do we know if these are replacing the current kits or an as well as 30k / 40k branding split thing?
And Femstodes can F right off. Glad its only really a few heads that can be ignored rather than torso changes, but that just makes them look even weirder.
They should have just given us more sisters of silence.
To briefly weigh in on the Custodes as well... I really like the new models, I think that the slimmer frame will really help differentiate them from the "Terminators" at a distance, it was often hard to tell them apart from across the table when they could be the same squad size and (sometimes) have the same weapons.
Sad we didn't get at least one more Sisters of Silence unit though. Hopefully next time.
That Battle Group box is nearly 900 points in 40k though, basically an army in a box if you're into Custodes (and don't mind some Legends models).
So yes technically the first whirlwind was that conversion with the underside of a fantasy base as the missile tubes, but the first real model of it was the classic five rocket tubes a side over the exposed dudes head version. Which I love and still own several of.
The Custodes WarCom article has a little addendum at the end: "We’ve dropped a few hints that some of these models are also perfect for using in Warhammer 40,000 and it’s entirely true. A rules update for the Adeptus Custodes is set for later this year. But several of these new miniatures are already perfectly suitable to represent current units in Warhammer 40,000." (emphasis added)
The only units called out in the article as being usable in 40,000 post-update as the Custodian Guard with Spears and Sentinels (Guard with Swords and Shields). Everything else is conspicuously left out of the mention of ongoing 40K rules.
It would be nice if 11th Ed eased up a bit on strict model lines- Adding the HH custodes units to the codex and things like the plastic Cerastus knights would help, and if the Malestrom book has kitbash HQ models maybe they will start showing up again...
MajorWesJanson wrote: It would be nice if 11th Ed eased up a bit on strict model lines- Adding the HH custodes units to the codex and things like the plastic Cerastus knights would help, and if the Malestrom book has kitbash HQ models maybe they will start showing up again...
Here's the rub for me. The single thing from that whole show I'm most excited about is the make-your-own-hero rules from The Maelstrom, so I'm really hoping the whole thing can survive past... ::checks watch:: ...this summer.
MajorWesJanson wrote: It would be nice if 11th Ed eased up a bit on strict model lines- Adding the HH custodes units to the codex and things like the plastic Cerastus knights would help, and if the Malestrom book has kitbash HQ models maybe they will start showing up again...
Here's the rub for me. The single thing from that whole show I'm most excited about is the make-your-own-hero rules from The Maelstrom, so I'm really hoping the whole thing can survive past... ::checks watch:: ...this summer.
Could be like AoS Path to Glory anvil of apotheosis. That’s a decent framework to build and grow custom characters.
IIRC they did a custom character thing in a prior edition, but it was just for open play, not matched.
Those Red Corsairs are HOT. I had some of the new EC on my to-buy list, but they might get bumped for those guys. Best renegade marines I've ever seen. I didn't see the stream, is there a separate Corsairs list in the books?
Eldar Corsairs are nice additions, too. Initially I though it was just a bad angle on Yriel, but I don't know what he's doing with his left arm. Using the shield part, i guess? I'd chop it off real quick. That Vyper, though. Fantastic.
Yeesh, I want those Eldar Corsairs so much, and I don't even play 40K any more.
I already have a Corsairs Kill Team. Maybe I'll pick up a box of the Skyreavers when they come out separately. I just wonder if they will be 5 or 10 per box.
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MajorWesJanson wrote: It would be nice if 11th Ed eased up a bit on strict model lines- Adding the HH custodes units to the codex and things like the plastic Cerastus knights would help, and if the Malestrom book has kitbash HQ models maybe they will start showing up again...
Here's the rub for me. The single thing from that whole show I'm most excited about is the make-your-own-hero rules from The Maelstrom, so I'm really hoping the whole thing can survive past... ::checks watch:: ...this summer.
If they released those in epub, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I don't have room for more stinkin' box sets of books though.
The Power Cosmic wrote:Those Red Corsairs are HOT. I had some of the new EC on my to-buy list, but they might get bumped for those guys. Best renegade marines I've ever seen. I didn't see the stream, is there a separate Corsairs list in the books?
Eldar Corsairs are nice additions, too. Initially I though it was just a bad angle on Yriel, but I don't know what he's doing with his left arm. Using the shield part, i guess? I'd chop it off real quick. That Vyper, though. Fantastic.
Slimmer Custodes are nice updates on the sculpts.
There's a new book set, like the 500 Worlds, coming out too.
YodhrinsForge wrote: Yup, because only incels can dislike arbitrary change for the sake of change that adds nothing of value.
No, you can dislike them, but we all know a bunch of people who don't even follow, let alone, play, Warhammer are going to be making a lot of angry videos again.
Fairy nuff. That CriticalDrinker video a while ago was pretty embarassing, it sounded like the 40K version of Malcom Tucker trying to describe Star Wars in The Thick Of It
YodhrinsForge wrote: Yup, because only incels can dislike arbitrary change for the sake of change that adds nothing of value.
No, you can dislike them, but we all know a bunch of people who don't even follow, let alone, play, Warhammer are going to be making a lot of angry videos again.
Fairy nuff. That CriticalDrinker video a while ago was pretty embarassing, it sounded like the 40K version of Malcom Tucker trying to describe Star Wars in The Thick Of It
Gw had almost 40 years to say that custodes genetics worked like marines and precluded women, but they never did.
At most you can say they had a tradition of recruiting males. Which is less restrictive than the law that makes sisters all women and can be changed at a moment's notice.
But this idea that gw have had custodes being gene restricted to only be male is a big assumption fans have made in the gap where any actual information could be. They were never described as space marines and those are the only genetics in the imperium that has been explicitly locked to men only. And assassin's have been engineering women for over 30 years, so it's not like the imperium has a male only genetics program.
So arguments about arbitrary changes are far less definitive than people like to make it seem
I'm impressed at the volume of new sculpts today revealed across all game systems. Combine all that with the skitarii, myradoms, and vultarax kits, it's a cornucopia of new kits.
YodhrinsForge wrote: Yup, because only incels can dislike arbitrary change for the sake of change that adds nothing of value.
No, you can dislike them, but we all know a bunch of people who don't even follow, let alone, play, Warhammer are going to be making a lot of angry videos again.
Fairy nuff. That CriticalDrinker video a while ago was pretty embarassing, it sounded like the 40K version of Malcom Tucker trying to describe Star Wars in The Thick Of It
Gw had almost 40 years to say that custodes genetics worked like marines and precluded women, but they never did.
At most you can say they had a tradition of recruiting males. Which is less restrictive than the law that makes sisters all women and can be changed at a moment's notice.
But this idea that gw have had custodes being gene restricted to only be male is a big assumption fans have made in the gap where any actual information could be. They were never described as space marines and those are the only genetics in the imperium that has been explicitly locked to men only. And assassin's have. Ren engineering women for over 30 years, so it's not like the imperium has a male only genetics program.
So arguments about arbitrary changes are far less definitive than people like to make it seem
I don't agree obviously. I think if something has been described exclusively in one way for their entire existence without any ambiguity - I've certainly never seen a situation in the fluff prior to the retcon where there was any doubt on the matter - then clearly a change is being made, and given that it's not being made for any in-setting reason then I think it also can be fairly described as arbitrary. I think it's a bit dishonest to try and frame things as if there is any in-setting reasoning at play when we all know the reality - previously the idea that a warrior society would be male-only was uncontroversial IRL - in much the same way the notion that a warrior society might be female-only was uncontroversial, though that's apparently still fine... - now some people believe it should be, and evidently people with that opinion now hold some sway over decisionmaking at GW.
Honestly what grinds my gears about the whole thing is the gaslighting of it all. There was a way to do this that would have been uncontroversial with everyone bar the previously mentioned outrage merchants; focus on the Sisters of Silence in the here and now, who dearly actually need proper model support in a way Custodes simply did not, and then when Age of Darkness transitions over to The Scouring as I'm pretty sure everyone now accepts it will at some point in the next few years they could have come out with a bunch of new fluff about the losses during the Heresy necessitating a change to the longstanding tradition of recruiting only the sons of the Terran nobility because they had to manufacture so many Custodes at once that there simply weren't enough suitable "recruits" available. And that a largely uncontroversial option exists and is so blindingly obvious that even a dipper like myself can see it makes me believe that the controversy is the point at least in part.
Its only potentially deceptive if your premise is true and I've yet to see a quote from any book that says the custodes are genetically restricted to being men. Not one.
I was just looking at the entry for them in the RT Rulebook and not only does it not say that, it didn't even use gendered terms to describe them. Calling them warriors and inner guard. Their inception doesn't gender lock them.
Therefore anything after that is a retcon. Which makes this AT MOST an undoing of any subsequent retcons - of which the only one anyone has been able to show me is from their last codex where it says they were recruited from the sons of nobles, just like they describe the men of the guard, the imperium of man and every other such instance of man being used in a gender neutral way.
You are entitled to your opion and free to not like it. But that has no bearing on the facts. And calling it gaslighting is a gross misuse of a term that was specifically used to highlight real issues of emotional abuse by intimate partners.
EDIT; according to the information in the 2nd ed codex imperialis, they aren't gendered their either, but they do have 300 companions that guard the emperor directly. You are free to decide that your version of them started at some arbitrary point after 2000, where you decided that they had to be exclusively men, but you dont get to claim that's their original form or that it's any kind of retcon when your preferred version is itself a retcon.
EDIT EDIT: just looked at the Horus heresy book 7 inferno by Alan Bligh from 2017, the magnum opus everyone crows over. You will never guess but in the section on the creation of the custodes he managed to avoid using
Any gendered pronouns whatsoever when describing them, only using child to refer to their recruits. Also going on in some length to show how different from astartes their creation is. It is actually quite remarkable that a 9 year old book managed to talk about their creation without saying they must be men or only works on men.
Same reason Dorn Tanks weren't in early books and Alpharius was referred to in the singular as a Primarch.
Being male only is not and was not a core element of the Custodes faction identity. Space Marines have a ton of geneseed enhancements and Sisters were created as a loophole for "no men under arms" but Custodes have always been the elite private guardians of the Emperor.
JWBS wrote: Good high effort rationalisation there but what explains the 30 year absence from all lore and product? Oversight?
ADB posted publically on this a while ago to explain that there was a GW mandate from on high preventing authors from writing lore about female custodes, because that is what the official model range supported at the time. GW generally don't like BL authors writing about things they don't plan to sell. That's the Doylist explanation for the change anyway.
It also seems obvious to point out, but Custodes also didn't have any products for much of that 30+ year period. It's only after GW got around to making the original talons of the emperor box that they began fleshing out the minimal existing lore. And like many other Warhammer factions, that expanded lore has since gone through some iteration.
Hellebore wrote: Its only potentially deceptive if your premise is true and I've yet to see a quote from any book that says the custodes are genetically restricted to being men. Not one.
I was just looking at the entry for them in the RT Rulebook and not only does it not say that, it didn't even use gendered terms to describe them. Calling them warriors and inner guard. Their inception doesn't gender lock them.
Therefore anything after that is a retcon. Which makes this AT MOST an undoing of any subsequent retcons - of which the only one anyone has been able to show me is from their last codex where it says they were recruited from the sons of nobles, just like they describe the men of the guard, the imperium of man and every other such instance of man being used in a gender neutral way.
While the 8E codex was in print Custodes were implicitly (but not explicitly) male. At the time it would be reasonable to infer female custodes didn't exist. Fun fact, GW actually deliberately removed all the gendered pronouns for the 9E Custodes codex, but nobody noticed at the time. It was only when 10E rolled around that they decided to spell things out.
It's true that they never spelled out "all Custodes are men", it was just heavily implied for a couple of years out of the last few decades. So I would say that it is a retcon, but also a relatively small one.
However for anyone still struggling with this adjustment I do have a question. 40k has seen soooo many retcons of various shapes & sizes over the years, and many had more impact than this.
At one point there was no Rogal Dorn, but then they had Always Been There.
At one point there were no Necrons, but then Necrons had Always Been There for millions of years.
The Horus Heresy product range is a constant cycle of troops, weapons, and wargear that were never mentioned before but suddenly had Always Been There.
Why is this (largely cosmetic) retcon in particular an issue?
JWBS wrote: Good high effort rationalisation there but what explains the 30 year absence from all lore and product? Oversight?
What explains the absence of "always existed" Rogal Dorn tanks in the old fluff?
This is just how GW does things. They avoid mentioning stuff that could have models but don't, but once the models are made the thing has "always existed." There is nothing new or controversial about this, except certain people freak out about this like they do not about thousands of similar instances. Thus it is hard to avoid the conclusion that this is not actually motivated by dedication to the lore purity but rather by more unsavoury reasons.
Do I need to the subject equivalent of Tap The Sign, and share an image of the original, Rogue Trader Custards?
Because if you complain about Custodes now being created from male and female candidates? You’ve surely no basis for also not complaining that they’re now clad in Auramite and not Posing Pouches and Lycra, yeah?
Disingenuous to frame it as being in the same category as any other common or garden retcon. Whether you like it or not it was a hot button issue, there was never a vicious pro / anti-auramite argument, there weren't any social media campaigns pushing for an auramite update to bring the hobby inline with the expectations of a modern audience, quite bad faith to argue it that way.
JWBS wrote: Disingenuous to frame it as being in the same category as any other common or garden retcon. Whether you like it or not it was a hot button issue, there was never a vicious pro / anti-auramite argument, there weren't any social media campaigns pushing for an auramite update to bring the hobby inline with the expectations of a modern audience, quite bad faith to argue it that way.
(so no).
So…..why is changing from Elven Type Masques, tight Lycra strides, posing pouch and a rather dashing off the shoulder cloak to Massive Suits Of Massively Embellished Armour just fine. But some of those inside said massive suits of massively embellished armour possibly having tits bad?
Because the weirdos lost their mind when a tract of flavour text first mentioned a Custodes that originated as a female human. That’s what started it. No social media campaign. A tract of text.
If you really want to play this game? Buckle up, because I can happily go grab my Rogue Trader book and start gutting the game and setting as we know it, by demanding the erasure of each and every single change ever made. And I’ll keep doing it until you start feeling a bit silly.
streetsamurai wrote: Was there ever an image or description of Pertubaro as a daemon prince?
He's described slightly in the Storm of Iron Collector's Edition bookend short story:
"Even before his elevation to daemonhood, the primarch had been colossal, but now he was a giant plated in silver and steel, encased in armour that was more a fortified sarcophagus than anything wrought for a living being. Edged in yellow and black, scarred from ten thousand wars and seamed with weld-line like scars, it was known as the Logos, its textures strangely alive, like a skin of metal and flesh combined.
Perturabo, the Lord of Iron himself.
He went without helm, his head a nightmare of pallid, dead flesh, necrotic and bleached of colour - like a corpse dragged from a depthless ocean trench. Thick cords of ribbed cabling pierced his skull, running back across his scalp in hissing cornrows. Eyes that were gimlet black, yet lit from within by the coldest light, stared out from a face that had known only bitter disappointment and had been cursed by inevitable betrayal."
I wouldn't expect GW to stick closely to any previous description Perturabo anyway - the Silent King diverged significantly from the relatively detailed description he had before his model, for example.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yet, we’ve seen the 40K Daemon Primarchs echo the appearance of their Heresy Models.
Twisted and modified? Yes. But still recognisable as what they once were.
Likewise Heresy Daemon Prince Fulgrim and now Angron stand as recognisable intermediaries.
I see no reason Perturabo would break that approach.
We have quite a different definition of them echoing their appareance. Yes they have somme similarities, but the end result is pretty much unrecognisable (Fulgrim is a snake man FFS).
Im asking cause i've seen a few speculations that Perturabo is going to be a Defiler-like
I don't think so? I'm pretty indifferent to this entire situation, but blatant and possible inflammatory retcons without offering an explanation seems kind of weird on the part of the GW. I read the little QA news blurb on WarCom and they didn't seem answer why.
Was it for inclusion purposes when women are already prominently featured in the Warhammer universes? Was it pressure from a progressive activist within GW who just wanted to "own the chuds"? Or maybe something to do with this whole Amazon production?
I suspect it'll be like the whole Cursed City incident and we'll just never know.
If you really want to play this game? Buckle up, because I can happily go grab my Rogue Trader book and start gutting the game and setting as we know it, by demanding the erasure of each and every single change ever made. And I’ll keep doing it until you start feeling a bit silly.
Relax, no need for anyone to be grabbing their old books, we've both been here since the switchover. I've been civil, you have the sanctioned opinion and get a bit more leeway to chuck around talk of weirdos and silliness (good chance my input is deleted, civility or no). Do me a favour, go look at that YT comments section and then tell me with a straight face that this is a non-contentious non-issue and your perspective here is objectively the correct one.
Was it for inclusion purposes when women are already prominently featured in the Warhammer universes? Was it pressure from a progressive activist within GW who just wanted to "own the chuds"? Or maybe something to do with this whole Amazon production?
All this and a bit more besides. None of this discussion is available here, being a closed and regulated ecosystem, for better or worse. Unmoderated dialogue elsewhere shows a more faithful representation of the current zeitgeist (anyone remember when that used to be Dakka?)
JWBS wrote: All this and a bit more besides. None of this discussion is available here, being a closed and regulated ecosystem, for better or worse. Unmoderated dialogue elsewhere shows a more faithful representation of the current zeitgeist (anyone remember when that used to be Dakka?)
I'll be real with you, I've seen the "unmoderated dialogue" come to the fore in places like youtube comments, and I do not think I exaggerate when I call it the sewage of the internet.
I cannot describe how much better Dakka is for any discussion or conversation deserving of the term.
Changes happen. Custodes now recruiting from both sexes is a super minimal one.
Like Astartes, once the Custodes is complete? They’re no longer human. At all. They’re transhuman. And no, I don’t use that term to be provocative, it’s how Astartes and Custodes are described in the background.
Astartes are assembly line, one size fits some. Custodes are Extra Special Custom Tailored Jobs.
Neither, despite having a common starting cloth, are even remotely human at the end of their respective process.
But please. Tell me why the change from this…
To this
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Hasn’t bothered anyone. But this
Is somehow contentious?
Please note. I am genuinely not prejudging you or anyone here.
I want to know why one, pretty radical change (including the whole gene tailoring thing) is beyond contention, whereas the other is too much.
Your reasoning, if you please. No. Not YouTube comments. YOUR reasoning.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Your reasoning, if you please. No. Not YouTube comments. YOUR reasoning.
Same reason why the Smurf Ultramarine army causes no stir, and why you see people paint Space Marines with the flag of Brazil on them, all without so much as a breath of complaint, whereas if someone puts a feminine head on their model it makes some people go berserk about the "sanctity of the lore".
Some people just have an axe to grind. It's not worth your time.
If you really want to play this game? Buckle up, because I can happily go grab my Rogue Trader book and start gutting the game and setting as we know it, by demanding the erasure of each and every single change ever made. And I’ll keep doing it until you start feeling a bit silly.
Relax, no need for anyone to be grabbing their old books, we've both been here since the switchover. I've been civil, you have the sanctioned opinion and get a bit more leeway to chuck around talk of weirdos and silliness (good chance my input is deleted, civility or no). Do me a favour, go look at that YT comments section and then tell me with a straight face that this is a non-contentious non-issue and your perspective here is objectively the correct one.
Was it for inclusion purposes when women are already prominently featured in the Warhammer universes? Was it pressure from a progressive activist within GW who just wanted to "own the chuds"? Or maybe something to do with this whole Amazon production?
All this and a bit more besides. None of this discussion is available here, being a closed and regulated ecosystem, for better or worse. Unmoderated dialogue elsewhere shows a more faithful representation of the current zeitgeist (anyone remember when that used to be Dakka?)
Changes are made for reasons. GW isn't obligated to offer an explanation, but I don't think its unreasonable to ask for one.
BrookM wrote: Oh goody, the alerts panel is flashing and screaming at me again, kindly take all that discussion to a thread of its own.
Sounds good.
On the topic of these previews from another angle, I noticed that Custodes seem to continue to enjoy the exemption from GW's current penchant for range separation.
I suspect due to raw popularity GW sees too much of a loss in enforcing an admech-style split. Good news for them. I hope it's a sign, though I'd not necessarily bet it is.
Why is this (largely cosmetic) retcon in particular an issue?
Simply put: the ulterior motive. Which is kind of hard to fully explain given the forum rules but put it this way; I've never had anyone imply I'm a bad person IRL because I mocked Centurions, thought the Nucron fluff was rubbish, or expressed the view that the Rogal Dorn isn't a very interesting tank.
Seems the bright red text quoted multiple times is not sufficient notice to take this chain of discussion elsewhere, but as this thread has run its course anyway time to lock it up. Follow up conversation can be found in the game specific threads.
. On the secret sinister third hand, I’m so happy forgeworld is now in plastic, I’ve been begging and hoping for this for so long and I’m so glad I can finally get them!
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