Remember that, since this is going to be Steampunky, you can have pipes, tubes and grilles all over the outside of it, not just the inside. Then you can layer more armour over that, but not as tight, leaving gaps and such. For the exhausts (I saw your comment in the Tanks thread) I'd suggest tall tubes, with flared, pointed ends. Or put those conical 'caps' on top of them- basically, some kind of decoration.
absolutly what i have in mind for these parts, i still picture the old steamtank from the WFB line... the one with the exploded cigar looking chimneys...ah what the heck pics are worth a thousand words^^
and the exhausts:
if i can manage this look i would be very proud... i think i will try to do a "modern" and old style merger look...if my building abilities will support my plans that is^^...
today i begun to refit the hull...did some cutting and glueing and used the green foam to make a ramp and door related fron...i guess the tank will get also a raise^^ sort of and gets a fourth layer of the pink foam...i picture this tank as a heavy assault vehicle that also carries troops to the front and is still a heavy hitter... some Landraider version for IG...
pics will happen not before tomorrow evening CET^^
as for the armor and pipe...if you could provide some inspirational pics i would be most thankful anvildude, i have tried to come up with some helpful pics from time to time but i have to say my results wheren´t for the best^^...
For the exhaust, have you considered taking a piece of plastic tube and sliding a spring over it. You could then stretch the spring to get the pitch of the spiral you wanted. Once glued in place your primer coat should make it look like a piece of spiral pipe. Just make sure the spring fits snugly over the plastic tube.
Anvildude wrote:Or do that, then use some heiß-shrink tubing over top.
That's actually a really good idea. I might try that myself.
I think that the heat shrink tubing is a good idea. That will probably bring the whole thing together and not allow any gaps between the spring and tube.
that sounds as if we are onto something interesting here...but i haven´t heard of that before...where to get that?
the springidea sounds really a nice touch and this way the structure would be even instead of when i would do it in GS or other ways like using wire or string...
heat shrink is a black tubing material that looks and acts like rubber, you can get it at most automotive stores, but it's not exactly cheap. Nice thing about it is that once you have wrapped it around something, you can then use a lighter or a hairdryer and it will shrink to fit really snugly. the more heat you apply, the the more it shrinks and the tighter the fit will be.
well seems i have to investigate a bit here...need to find out availabilities in germany...the technique to use seems fair enough to be usable in my "limited" sense of handywork^^
Heat shrink tubing should be available at an electrical parts store or radio shack. Even your local hardware store should have it. It is primarily used to cover and protect connections in electrical wires.
ephrael wrote:Heat shrink tubing should be available at an electrical parts store or radio shack. Even your local hardware store should have it. It is primarily used to cover and protect connections in electrical wires.
I actually saw German electrical installers using the shrink tubing for the in ground wiring when I was stationed over there in the 1980's Must be plentiful and low cost by now.
i have looked on ebay for that and saw that it was indeed quite cheap... will later on make a visit to the hardwarestore and see if it is available in the shops...
on the main subject here...here are some picture updates...i begun to glue thin sheats of foam to the sides of the tank mainbody to get a more even looking surface...also i made the promised hatch/ramp to the front of the tank...i guess the pics will far better explain my work...and also i worked on that sponsonthing ...used a cork (foamcork ...disgusting to see in your winebottle i guess but quite good a material...and cheap as it was a gift^^) and for the barrel i used a cut up mortalbarrel...please don´t hesitate to tell me your thoughts on this as i only made one for now and want to see your reaction to that built...before i do three more^^ ...of course this bit will see some more detailing to it....
boysideshot of mainbody of the tank...has atm two sides with platings of foam too...not seen on this pic...
close up to show the front ramp... i have tried to get a Landraider look to the thing...
I'm really excited to see whether you foamy tank will ever make it to a gaming table. No offense, I appreciate all the work that's going into it, but I think it will take a whole lot more work, to make the foam surfaces become playable. Can't wait!
well i think you are right in one point, the tank will need a whole lot of work to be anything near to being usable in a game...for now i have scale issues and conceptual issues...also the big gaps in the foamplates do get on my nerves as it is hard to get them to look right...but as of now i am not throwing the towel...i think this can be managed still and with some help like your tips about the miliput milk this can be achieved... also i am secretly planning to get me some bits from zinge that could help me in this endeavor to get a better and realistic look to the model...
ok, here's how your gonna solve your problem with the gaps in between the foam armor plates:
click on the image of my fighta and then zoom in until you can see up close and personal the main fuselage, what you will notice is there's an area of brown along one edge where the primer has been scraped off. what your looking at is a cardboard strip from a cereal box that has been cut to width, and then scored ever so slightly down its middle to help it fold easier. do the same thing and glue them onto your tank and it will look like armor strips, from there you just add rivets. I used super glue on mine but you can't do that, so you'll have to play around with your glue to get it to work for you, but it's an easy and simple solution, as well as cheap, and by cheap, i mean dang near free.
And I'm still working on that example pic, for the Steampunk look. The render's just not coming out, for some reason. I may have to draw it the old fashioned way.
thanks sebastiansynn, i thought about that too...it is a very good way to get detailed edges to the model and while doing so still stay as you put it straight to the point damn free^^ bythe way... my three kids munch away so many cornflakes and whatnot on a dayly basis that i have plenty suply and even in stock of that cardboard^^ the foam and cardboard also respond really good to my PVA glue so i think it will be in conclusion only be an issue to fix the cardboard while letting it cure...
at anvildude...that sounds like a delicious thing either way^^
yep^^ i think when i use the cardboard way to make the surfaces even and secure the tank will make a true leap in a better looking direction...
what do you think about the sponsons? sadly the glue didn´t work well enough with the cork and the mortar piece...so i will today do an attempt to use those capsules for photofilms...Like these:
the thing is they are big enough to hold a metal mini inside...so i will do also rivets and viewpoints in those firepoints...
ah again with the pins^^ i have to totally rethink the design of the sponsons as i think this needs a very new aporach from the one i before had in mind...i will get probably closer to your design but in a bigger size...have you seen the mortar being used as a barrel? whats your tankdesigner point of view here?
thats what i thought too^^ so i guess i will be using this in the next installment of the project... for your own tank you used autocanons and bolters... you recon i should do so too? or would be a complete boltersetup fourtimes all around the sponsons be worthwhile too?
Hope you didn't misunderstand my comment as disencouragement, you can do it, I'm sure.
As for the gaps, never mind! Get a load of milliput, milk the surfaces and what gaps are left you just fill with normal milliput, then don't bother really sculpting the edges, just let it dry. For the next step I hope you have a "Bandschleifer" otherwise it will be tiring. Sand the whole thing down! Now you have a smooth, durable, gapless surface and can start the detailling, adding rivets and gak.
well santa was not very supporting in the heavy tool department this year... so no bandschleifer sadly...i guess i will be going for option 2 and start adding cardboard to the hull...the things i learn with this project i can then transform for the next project that i will definetly do in plasticcard! then the whole issue of miliput and GS can be reopened for the different material...
as for diencouragement, i totally see your point baiyuan, the thing sometimes looks for me even as if it begs to get thrown against the wall, but then i shook myself and start fresh anew^^...
i have today worked further on the sponsons...by the way,what is the correct name for the weaponplatform? the cylindric bit?... well anyway i glued my bolter barrels to the filmcans and now the will have to get a mount...to make them movable...i still need to figure out how to do that... the pin idea somehow wont work as the foam these will be standing on are not stable enough to support certain tryouts i did...
any ideas?
If you don't have the cap on the film canister, you could just have cardboard-lined circles cut into the top and bottom of the sponson 'platforms', the things on the top and bottom of it that hold it to the tank. Carve out a slight dip behind the sponson mount, and just put the cylinder in without gluing.
hmm...that could work...will test this tomorrow...for now i thought of using the caps but i guess this would be a good way of using the cans and getting them to be movable...thanks for the idea...i think tomorrow i will have to develop a cardboard sponson set to get the thing working!
well the name oddball tanks for your thread had always given me a certain fuzzy feeling^^
well i have to make a top that is at least two layered and can hold the top of the platform and then a bottom that is too at least two layered...then a middlepart to make the platforms let snuggly fit ...guess i will have to look into your design again^^
i am currently thinking about ordering zinges stuff...or do you think i can come up with those vents you did on the sides and some hatches too by myself? well it isn´t really the time for the dtailtalk but the dreaming has started long ago^^
Viktor von Domm wrote: well the name oddball tanks for your thread had always given me a certain fuzzy feeling^^
well i have to make a top that is at least two layered and can hold the top of the platform and then a bottom that is too at least two layered...then a middlepart to make the platforms let snuggly fit ...guess i will have to look into your design again^^
i am currently thinking about ordering zinges stuff...or do you think i can come up with those vents you did on the sides and some hatches too by myself? well it isn´t really the time for the dtailtalk but the dreaming has started long ago^^
LOL!
Being as broke as I am, I used bitz that were floating about. If you can get the stuff you can afford, remember the vent is made from a basilisk ladder I am not using with parts cut off and then grooves cut for the plasticard slats. I say go for whatever way you want to!
well i guess my wife wouldn´t find it funny if i would go for the bits... so it might be a good move to scratchbuilt the hatches and the vents myself^^...bits of tanks are currently not available...but then all can change in due time... as i just loooove visiting fleakarkets...and these are as everybody knows like a box of chocolates...^^
Regarding movable sponsons: Magnets! There are many advantages, you can replace them whenever you like, take them out for painting, make alternative sponsons, nothing can break or jam... need I go on?
well actually i do have quite the number of weapons still lying around... some HW sprues i bought and got over time...with the lascanons i am far to hesitant to cut them up like you did... that´s hurting to do for me...^^ so i guess the main gun... maybe a double barreld one will be made from feltpens... this might look the part actually...with a little extra tubing for muzzle i might actually get a cool looking thingy...and the vents....maybe something like that
could be redone on a smaller scale... didn´t say on the package that the vents had to be angular^^
As for the lascannons,. well, I really didn't cut them up, just a little shaving and then glued them together, the rest of them is in that beefy main turret I built around them! is a little fuzzy, but there is the back end of the las-canons, uncut.
ah so i see, was wondering if only me lacked the guts to cut up the bitz...when it comes to that kind of cutting i sometimes make such a mess, that i try not to cut at all...
Viktor von Domm wrote:ah so i see, was wondering if only me lacked the guts to cut up the bitz...when it comes to that kind of cutting i sometimes make such a mess, that i try not to cut at all...
Well, the auto-cannons on the sponsons got the hobby saw and the snips applied to them. I will admit to that, so did the orky weapons that resemble Vickers MG's as I desired the ater cooled jacket look for the heavy stubbers for those!
i guess when you are good with the saw then this is a good way to achive good cuts...the thing is even tho i have screws and other means to stabilize and secure my to be sawed stuff i still am so crappy with the saw... the knife is a better ally to me but when it coms to a certain presiceness ... then i lack it...
meh. I'm fairly useless with a knife (for plastic and plasticard), and a similar story for the saw (except for metals).
I tend to reach for the clipper on most things.
well the clipper produces these raised and bent edges... for certain jobs a definite no go...but like my late grandad used to say: for each job use the right tool...too bad that secretly the right tools are there just the needed left and right thumbs sometimes seem to change themselfs to their inapropriate counterpart...and not letting it show beforehand, otherwise i could compensate^^
on a serious note, if i was able to get good cuts i could be miles further in each scratchbuilding project... the frustration of having yet again a bad cut drives me to more and more new projects...
Knifes can be tricky. Especially if you are a cheap ass like me and you don't replace your blades, knowing they got dull.
Saws are a whole different thing. IMO one needs two kinds of saws: One like the normal modelling saw from GW, but with blades that cut in all directions, so you can snake your way through any material. And a second one, that uses sawblades in the gauge and shape of razor blades (LOVE it!), my most important tool. Saws through plastic and metals easily and only takes away 0,25mm of material.
at shaso:
i got plenty of files and sandingpaper so this is not an issue...to my defence i never had proper courses in school to show me the proper use of most tools... so when i recently started in this hobby i am still in a older version of try and error...
at baiyuan:
normally i tend to ignor sharpness and dullness of knifes too...but since i had to cut to so much foam these days i have seen the benefit of changing alot the blades...
i also have a small collection of cheap and sometimes rather old small saws... so no telling what kinds of saws and their blades i have...the all direction saw sounds rather useful...will have to get a closer look but i guess i dont have such version of the blades...
well actually i think it has something more to do with and eye coordination...something i wasnt too good to begin with...but i am too stubborn to throw any towel...^^
picture update time here on our family friendly neighberhood thread...
it is finally weapontime...as a little brirdy trilled to me you seem to want to see some sponsons in the works? well who am i to not listen to these beggings? right...we deliver...:
not that the pics are a rough wip still and get a skin all around to complete the look...
the filmcans are a 30mm something in diameter and i tested many ways to make them swivveling...too bad my tool didn´t put up to the job at hand... i had tried everything...foam wood and cardboard...tried round holes but ended up again in this odessey with cardboard and angular wholes that still allow movement...and are far better to cut out...when the next tank will be sitting on my workstation certain things will be different as i will change some processes and ways of aproaching certain looks...i learned quie a few lessons by this project...sometimes the hard way and lots of ruffling hair and stuff like that...here is a further step in the making...the glue is here still rather fresh in the pics and will be by now mostly cured...later...probably ´morrow or even later still i will try to give the weaponplatform here a skin and then some early on detail...how i will be painting this is still a mystery as not to loose the movability but living is a learning process...
after this one is finished i will move to the second sponsonsystem...and then the hull gets again my full attention...
any thought are more then welcome, so don´t hesitate to grumble or mumble here^^
100 points for the mister^^ yep i used the HW mortar...atm i have no use for this weapon and i thought it might make a good oldfashioned bolter kind of weapon...i had thought about using the pipes of felt pens...but they would be too big and totally without details...so i misstreated quite a bit the mortars and i am rather satified with the look now...
thanks neil, i hope that in the next days the look will get better and to make it more convincingly...as for the size... these capsules are so high that a catachan can stand easyly inside one of them... so i will try to add viewpoints/slits to the capsules and then some rivets too to make the look archaic enough ...
tada^^
made some more work and clothed the sponsons...
note the bigger surface in the middle...that rectangular surface...guess what i have in mind for that? a cheese union jack will be shortly sporting both sides of the tank when finished...our praetorian warriors are of the more subtlie persuasion...^^
the current viewpoints might get torn apart yet agian as the superglue and the can and the cardboard somehow don´t want to stay together that well...dunno why really...
well there will also be some minor tasks for this piece here as stated above...a falg, then some further plating where needed and then of course the riveting up...
the problem your having vik, is one that i myself had with that Ork fightta. the way i fixed it is that i now place the super glue onto the cardboard and let it soak in, and dry. That stiffens up the cardboard alot, but also makes it easier for the board to then be glued onto the plastic. you should also use a pen or a sharpie marker pen to outline the inside and the outside of the viewport before glueing, and then score the plastic inside the outline, this will also give the glue more depth to hold onto.
Now, on to the compliment. Sponson is looking really nice brah, excellent job so far, but methinks the Union Jack is gonna give you headaches if you try to hand paint it.
Sebastion makes absolute sense. No matter how good your glue is, the pieces are going to fall apart if they have layers, that don't have much stability, like cardboard. Try the soaking.
at shrike:
well i hadn´t seen that title yet^^ this is a cool sounding one^^ and for all that would know me in real life...a real fitting one^^ lol
at shaso:
i don´t know of those suggested glues... i ahve on and off thought of getting me liguide nail to make some more difficult glueissues happen...hmmm....
as for the union jack flag... stripes could be done that way...
i already did for the airship a version of the union jack that was made up of cardboard pices cut to shape...
i had for thsi thought of scrapping the flag inside the cardboard... it is rather thick material... either scrapping it in or as you suggested layering...depends on how things work out...
at sebastiansynn:
the soaking sounds very interesting...i will try that out for the next sponson thats currently also in the works...but i have issues to understand your comment here:
you should also use a pen or a sharpie marker pen to outline the inside and the outside of the viewport before glueing, and then score the plastic inside the outline, this will also give the glue more depth to hold onto.
if you could describe it differently to me... in terms of technics i am not very good in understanding... sorry^^
as for the later painting of the jack...it is a rather simpler scheme as the army is fighting for this flag...with or without the "V" in the middle...
at baiyuan:
yup will do that^^
at Llamahead:
as coincidence wants it to be i already had those links in my linklist for this and many further projects saved a time ago^^ but you are absolutly right these are amazing templates all over...some of the paperhammr models i have already printed out but never came to building them... and i already tried to make a Landraider long ago, but this project as so many recently got postponed to some time in the future...
thanks for the nice and helpfull comments to all of you, and feel free to to visit this thread in short time again^^ as i think an update will happen shortly^^
you should also use a pen or a sharpie marker pen to outline the inside and the outside of the viewport before glueing, and then score the plastic inside the outline, this will also give the glue more depth to hold onto.
if you could describe it differently to me... in terms of technics i am not very good in understanding... sorry^^
place the viewport on the gunner turret and then draw around the viewport with the pen, then do the same for the inside of the viewport. This will give you an outline of the viewport on the turret. then to score it, it's just like coloring in a coloring book, you do your best to stay inside the lines. scoring is taking your razor blade and cutting shallow grooves into the plastic in a criss-cross formation. this technique is used quite often as it provides a more stable grip for glue since it has a more uneven surface to grip to. It is most often used with metal to metal glueing, but i also do it often with plastic to plastic. can't really explain it any simpler than that except to show you pics, and i can't do that till the weekend.
okok, i think i got it... the relation to cardboard was what confused me... i read that sort of treatment with metal minis... scratching to make uneven surface to give glue something to better hold on to... understood^^
hey mate the flag is almost a year old design... you had commented already before^^ lol
but being so full of mustard again for this project i added the flag to the sponson today...and also added a coat of PVA over the whole bit...and treated it with a brush to make it look later real worn...
now we cant have the chaos star around here... the victorian emire is strictly gentlemen territory...no other clerical or otherwise religious orientated theocracys allowed...
i hope the juices (only glue for that matter^^) will be flowing...this will be a crucial moment when i start this endeavor...
as for some small part of my fluff... till now i still havn´t came around to write some more...is hidden in the airship thread of mine... for the love of "whoever is listening above" i cant direct you to a specific page tho...^^
hey this was an attempt to tickle some more words out from you...after all you made it up to four now^^ and remeber your postcount...^^
by the way... when will we see something new from the master chief shrike again? been a long tme... about now i think most of your GK should be done...or aren´t they?
No, same as the last update, but the main scheme's been decided and a couple of guys are almost done to TT standard.
After exams I might do a sons of corax story update to partially compensate to my distinct lack of prescence over the past couple of weeks.
yup^^ and i will also provide some crew to scale it like you did...have been a bit lazy these days... summer is kicking in here in these lands... i am not too fond of heat...but well...work on the tank later this day will happen, promise! as of atm i have a worker for our heating system here... after he leaves i probably do some chores and then if times allows some hobby work^^
so as plans go this one was a bit modified...the visit at the dentist had to wait..........the worksman for our heatingsystem took so long to work on an exchange of electronics that i had to postpone the apointment...so sad about that...
well i made the promised pics then later that night and here they are...one thing tho...while working on the sponsons the thought never occured to me that i would be working in a kind of wrong direction...it is pretty obvious now that i will get a scalewise width issue as the sponson is for this tank way too thick...the dimensions are wrong in my book...if anyone has some solutions...fire away at your own will...
that is a verrrrry good answer... why din´t i came up with that^^...heck i think subconciously i have thought already in that direction...darn ....temptation all the way...
Viktor von Domm wrote:because he cant make any money from you or because he will ghet rich and it is tears of joy? the later could be happening with me...darn...
shasolenzabi wrote:Oh the money he would make with all the replacements he will be making!
Viktor von Domm wrote:ouch... i am still hopeing today wont mark the day of a total loss...i was never the one for good teeth... but i am like an eagle for my kids ^^
while us brits get FREE MEDICAL! but then a terrible mail service...
touch'e...
sponson looks too big, but then it looks like it belongs on a super heavy...
SCRATCH-BUILT BANEBLADE PLEASE!
What about just cutting a huge hole in the side of tha tank and putting the sponsons inside ? you would only need to put half of the sponson showing anyhow.?
That is an option. Or start from scratch with the sponson, but before making it, gouge a hole in the side of the tank so that only half the film cannister would stick out- then build the sponson around that.
No worries Vik, if yo make a second sponson based off this but half the size it will work, heck I am making the perun strictly instinctively, like a Big Mek!
at anvildude and yet again neil...the whole in the tracksystem side idea i had afterwards too...this is most likley...or i built yet again another tank... whatever comes first^^
yep shaso i do feel too most of the time like a big mek myself^^ even my brian doesn´t know most of the times what my hands are doing...and the eyes take in what wonders/rubbish i produce^^
been away doing chores... well i actually think about redoing the hull and tracks to fit the sponsons better... also to better work with cardboard i think... do you think this is wise?
hobby time is hobby time... really more important is if i later on will be satisfied with the product...if i continue and see always only the weak spots of the moel then i have wasted my time... if i redo time and time again until i then someday have a fitting thing before me then it was worthwhile...
ever the diplomat^^ but i guess you are right on all acounts...will see how i can achieve that... to tell the truth as i know the weight of the sponson i wondered how i could attach the sponson at all to the trackside...the indention/cutouthole will make sure it stays way better in place and also will better fit the weaponplatforms inside the sponsons... atm i think they are a bit exposed...by the way... during the last work i think i aplied a bit of too much glue to one piece of the sponson and thus glueing a tad the film can stiff...i hope i can cut away a bit of the glue of that part to free it... if not the thing will stationarry ... i am a bit fed up with the movability...how on earth shall i prime that anyways?
so i have worked to try to better make the sponsons fit to and with the trackssystem... hope this looks better now...only half of the width now...as seen on the last pic... i cut a complete hole of the size of the sponson and thus sinking it half way in....the railings i will add later...or if someone has any additional ideas for that particular place spit `em out^^
Tha looks great Vik, it really fits well now. Dont worry too much about the sponsons being glued , i glued one of mine shut by accident too. makes it easier to paint actually.
If you do do the railings , sprue seems to work well , although i doubt you need to now its size is halved . Although i do like those cylindrical sprues that come with traditional hobby models , they make great railings . Are you planning on adding plating and rivets ? I posted this link in Shazo tank blog, but it would also be useful to you if you decide to not scratch build your rivets.
that link i too know from shasos blog^^ but i stay with my holepunchset...the railings could be done sweetly with thr roundshaped sprues... i got quite a load from chibi a few months ago...so stock is there^^
i wasn´t the bigest fan of movability in the model in the first place anyway^^ so...^^
i cant figure out how to prime that monster anyway if i wnat movability anywhere... the primer at least would kill that when he touches the parts...and to tape it all and spray each on its own would use up plenty of extra time...
hmmm that might actually work... but to tell you the truth... a bit too much bother in my book currently...with an all plasticcard tank like yours i would probably go the extra mile for priming...
Viktor von Domm wrote:hmmm that might actually work... but to tell you the truth... a bit too much bother in my book currently...with an all plasticcard tank like yours i would probably go the extra mile for priming...
Now, the trick is that it is a thing to do for any materials you make your tank from. BUT if you wish to just pose the guns and leave it at that no worries there either. YOU are the maker of this huge tank and you ultimately are it's master.
Most feel that you are doing very well with the materials on hand Vik! It is a good bit of work you have done, don;t make me come to Germany to get your head on straight!
cool, that airship looks so lifelike... one of the main reasons why i wanted to paint up models was to create such drawings one day myself...like pictures from the old news during the worldwars...
by the way feel free to use any pic i showed here to make beautiful pics in technicolor^^
well the credit for the render goes completly to neil^^ the tankcompliment i say thank you for^^...
currently i am working on the second sponson... shockingly i am much faster working on that than the first...so progress is being made...hopefuly i can get to work on the mainbody afterwards in some days...
LOL- I glanced over your avatar, thought "hm, another one of vik's ever-growing followers...wait a second, that looks like vik's ta- *scrolls down thread* -oooh!"
excellent work, niel.
some parts are actually exactly like i pictured them myself... the cannon is something i will use as a building reference!
lol...but then again it is nice of you to visit my gallery^^
i think if not for your constant heads up this project would too lay in a deep slumber by now...so feel heads of the heads up ministry^^
That is what I like about Dakka-Dakka, the fact that there will be positive support for most projects if they merit it. And this tank of yours merits such.
well times are still a bit like weather in the mountains... if you catch my drift... i have been working with a goal now... i worked on the sponsons and i hope i have them completed today...then the hull...riveting will happen later... i have to figure out what kind of pattern i want there...distances between each one and so on...places without etc...
Automatically Appended Next Post: well peeps, the second sponson is done!!! here are some pics to show you the armed tank as he will generally look with its width and length...next i can get creative agian...railings and rivets will happen later in the build...
by the way... anyone has some fancy ideas as to how i can successfully get the three parts together?
well yes...actallly---just look above^^or again below^^
well peeps, the second sponson is done!!! here are some pics to show you the armed tank as he will generally look with its width and length...next i can get creative agian...railings and rivets will happen later in the build...
by the way... anyone has some fancy ideas as to how i can successfully get the three parts together?
Looking good vik! What kind of glue are you using to get them all together again? PVA I should think. Next will be also that safety coating of Miliput-milk to keep the tank safe from spray paints and such.
liquid nails would work for the glue . i would use cereal cardboard for the armoured plates,thus allowing you to paint on the tank with no fear of melting and also adding realism and depth , what do you have in mind.
funnyly the turret is the one i am currently the most unsure of... but it grew on me... the barrel will need a bit of fleshingout of course and also like neil suggested i will use cardboard to plate the tank...should i do this in overlapping plates or plate to plate with a weld seam made from a thick line of pva glue? later then each plate will too get a riveted look...thus creating a very pockmarked look all over...
if i plate the whole tank in cardboard i can probably get away with PVA glue to get the hull and the tracks together...
and at shaso... the miliput sealing i will do then only for the shoes/treads...and possibly to the landingramp in the front... if i dont redo that again when plating...this is still in flux^^
If you're going for Steampunk, then definitely overlapping. Give someplace for the rivets to grab on to, yes? Could always use Hot Glue to attach everything together...
.should i do this in overlapping plates or plate to plate with a weld seam made from a thick line of pva glue?
just place the cardboard pieces end to end, and then place a thin strip of cardboard over the seams, once you've done that you will know exactly where to place the rivets, as it will have the look of something iron bound. here's images to show you what i mean.
the ship has bound and riveted plating all over it, and i think your tank would look great like that. And for some reason that airship looks oddly familiar, I think there's a dakka thread on that thing that i'm subscribed to. I'll see if i can figure out which thread it is and send it off to you, might give you ideas you could use.
anyway-
nice paintjob. Shrike is pleased and satisfied that you will have a monocle-wearing, pipe-wielding fellow. Good show. I say.
That vid is really really funny,(Ive never seen anything better apart from famly guy)!
Did you make that vid?
@ Viktor von Domm nice figures and I like the paint job!
thanks hazzer... nope not made the clip... as to who made that ask shrike here ...he posted that vid...^^
sebastansynn... the iron bound idea is The very idea! this i will do, only a bit thicker than the rivets i make and i am good to go...and alsways stay in line when riveting!
at anvildude, thought that too but then sebastiansyyn gave the ironbound idea and i will do so acordingly...also i doubt i could create a cean look when going down the overlapping route...
at weety, small children small problems, big children big problems... i guess the real work starts now... and i am not even thinking about the paintwork^^
at mortalitas, yep that an early pic of the anthena by klaus, not santa...his work is...(loss for words to describe)
by the way, the plating has begun...plate to plate an i hope i will get a pic done later that evening, that shows the way how i want it to be looking...
anyway-
nice paintjob. Shrike is pleased and satisfied that you will have a monocle-wearing, pipe-wielding fellow. Good show. I say.
That vid is really really funny,(Ive never seen anything better apart from famly guy)!
Did you make that vid?
@ Viktor von Domm nice figures and I like the paint job!
heavens no. Made by someone whose youtube account goes by the name of richardgalestudios or something like that.
LOL! Now I wonder how the tea drinking gentlemen of Viks' Victorian style army would deal with the wild, vodka drinking Russkies of my Khadrovian Iron Guard?
if anything, british officers are known for their topmost forthcoming behavior....before battles they aranged proms, dinners and so on even in the soon to be middle of the battleground...so i guess a bit of vodka and whisky sharing would be no problem at all...mind you this would have to be taken place if those khardovians and the victorians would battle agianst each other... little can be speculated if both woud fight side by side and win... afterwards would be splendor galore^^
I am reminded of the dinners and celebrations of the end of the Second World War, when allies such as America/Britain and France would meet with the Russians and celebrate together,,,an unusual time indeed as they still had so little trust.
yep, there where several movies about that particular incident...nevertheless afterwards they commited murder on multiple times afterwards....war is war...regardles of what bottle you empty with your enemy before, inbetween or after....
same to you^^ er....made that good evening/night... whatever is apropriate^^ made some praise on your blog^^
by the way... did some groundwork on the plating of my tank...i created some odd angles on the surface that are giving me quite the resitance...but i will tackle these odd ends acordingly with a firm imperial hand! will show later some pics to spice up the show up a treat^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:same to you^^ er....made that good evening/night... whatever is apropriate^^
made some praise on your blog^^
by the way... did some groundwork on the plating of my tank...i created some odd angles on the surface that are giving me quite the resitance...but i will tackle these odd ends acordingly with a firm imperial hand! will show later some pics to spice up the show up a treat^^
It is now morning here, 12:04am to be more precise.^^
Sounds good, I can't wait to see more of your Vik-torian tank
and as a good deed deserves another, i have made some pics the very moment you must have uploaded yours^^
here are some crude WIP of my own productions^^ the overhanging cardboard will be cut to size when cured ...
also i begun on adding some iron bounds as well...only horizontal for now... should add vertical too?
here are the pics...:
so as these are early plating WIP there is still lots of work to be done... need anything to add? feel free to comment as your heart desires^^
thanks mate^^ i also learn while doing the plating... sometimes i have to remind me that too much glue will make things way too complicated... when i add less then the plates stay faster in place...but this way it is more unforgiving if i apply them wrong...too much and they swim endlessly on a tide of glue...
I understand! Once you cut the spare cardboard off, you can make it look reinforced with more of the join bands for that back to the ret of the upper structure, looks like 3-sections would do.
Vik, you should really rename this thread into "Viktor von Domm's and shasolenzabi's private chat room". You guys fill the pages like crazy...
@Shrike: Thank you for that clip, didn't know that one yet. Best moment for me when he drops the knife and continues the "spooning". I guess you know Nathan J. Barnatt?
It happens in all threads with Vik same for my threads and fluff thread! ^^ But yeah, now it is Vik's turn to impress with that armor work on his beasty.
well, for my sins i am a motormouth and a chattergob^^
so as requested i will update you all on my recent work on the "beast^^
he now looks a bit like a strapped fetish dream in cardboard^^
here are some pics to prove:
these pics aren´t the latest i have to say, but the current status i couln´t take pics of as they came out so late in the night... poor light i didn´t want to bother you with so i promise better and fresher pics of almost completed platingwork in the morning CET...
then will the detailing begin...also:
begun to plate the turret...so there will be hopefully some pics of this too...stay tuned!
shasolenzabi wrote:Actually, that was WWI, both sides were a little m,ore civil to each other at that time, WWII was far more vicious in the fighting.
Mustard gas. Chlorine. Machine guns. Flamethrowers. Constant bombardments as a prelude to going over the top...
If that is more civil would hate to think what would happen if they started getting nasty!
Good start there Vik
Liking the reinforcement plates, thay are just begging for rivets aplenty.
that one? well a bit^^ the gun does imply the image a bit^^
actualy the gas war was the meanest thing i can image... in comparrsion to that is a machine gun salve a rather straight forward thing...and much more honest...AND if the wind turns the bullet don´t come a knockin`^^
when i reach the riveting stage...actually i am quite thrilled to do so, as i began to really like riveting up my steamboiler for the airship back then... the zen of riveting i called it then...quite a refreshing work...concentrating on a miniscule job straight before you...not some foggy concept work like most of the time... and the rivets i make are not too challenging to make and are more to my line of craftsmanship^^ as they don´t require straight cuts with scissors, knifes or saws...which i suck in^^
Well, I was meaning that there was not so much of the wild disparity between the mindsets of the men fighting, and that was why Christmas of 1914 had that special air about it, the men were all just serving their countries, just different uniforms and such, no Naziism, or Communism, at least until 1917. No one was looking to wipe people out due to their ethnic background in Industrial scales. The weapons were brutaal, and the leaders so determined, but in the end, it did bleed Europe dry.
oh yeah it did... and ultimatly it layed the path for the secon WW...but you are right, in those times you didn´t hat all that racial hatred in the minds of the fighters...i think this incident ad others like them wouldn´t have been possible in WWII...
looking good vik, the tank is definately a Ghetto Winner.
and
Vik, you should really rename this thread into "Viktor von Domm's and shasolenzabi's private chat room".
you left out - "With special guest appearances by - Sebastionsynn, Shrike, Manoknok, Hazzer, Niel101, Baiyuan, Chibi Bodge-Battle, and anybody else who may have dropped a line in the last 36 pages"
shasolenzabi wrote:Well, I was meaning that there was not so much of the wild disparity between the mindsets of the men fighting, and that was why Christmas of 1914 had that special air about it, the men were all just serving their countries
While that's sort of true I suppose, I believe that special air got quite foul pretty much after the first day of the battle of the Somme (1 July 1916). WW1 wasn't a gentlemen's war, it was just as brutal and pointless as any other war!
shasolenzabi wrote:no Naziism, or Communism, at least until 1917. No one was looking to wipe people out due to their ethnic background in Industrial scales. The weapons were brutaal, and the leaders so determined, but in the end, it did bleed Europe dry.
While we didn't have Nazism or Communism we had plenty of something just as dangerous (though I do not believe communism is dangerous in it self) namely nationalism combined with militant patriotism, that is after all why the war started.
Viktor von Domm wrote:oh yeah it did... and ultimatly it layed the path for the secon WW...but you are right, in those times you didn´t hat all that racial hatred in the minds of the fighters...i think this incident ad others like them wouldn´t have been possible in WWII...
That is not entirely true, since the racism that the Nazis based their ideology on was quite common back then and wide spread across Europe (and America, and the rest of the world basically, the white man's superiority was considered a scientific fact).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Eeeh, nice work by the way, I'm exited about those rivets on that tank, looks great!
i tried to sum up uglyness...and lost some very important facts underway...you are right in all points i guess count zero (cant type your name ...would make me do too much typos^^)
a rather disturbing fact i got shoved down my throat during school was that one of my favorite musical composers, Wagner, was an antismitest himself...after that numerous other names of my childhood and important ones at that came too into that line...the thought pattern during these times was rotten to the very bone...i hope that we can climb out of that sewerpit in the future...believe me, germany is sitting in that for the better (worse) part of its population still in it...
sebastiansynn has also pointed out the main part of this thread...cheerful chattyness is a main cause for the whole thread...i should probably make a warning to the beginning of every thread i open and every thread i join...may contain banter^^...and you named only a fiew^^ anvildude and so many other have to be included...and they di´dn´t add to the stupid banter of me only, but you all added plenty of good advice and ideas that made me progress in projects and in learning...a feat i am most thankful for!!!!
back on to the main topic^^ ...
i promised a new picture update of the mainbody as is and the turret...which i will show you now...^^ we deliver...remeber?^^
so here are the pics:
turret and mainbody without gunbarrel...
turret in closeup...
as i see the pics here i think i have pretty much bored you down to the ground with the grey cardboardlook...i hope that after maybe soe days more into this work i can show you some rivetlooking pics and then i hope to proceede to some more entertaining and even colorful pics^^ cross your fingers my fellow followers^^
at neil: keeps me motivated when showing the progress stages and also i think sometimes from other threads i have seen scratchbuilt work i would have wanted to see more steps in the WIP stage...
Now Vik, some of us who build things get wrapped up in the working, no time for pics when my fevered brain is aflame with ideas! BTW looking good and very steam punkish my friend!
Yes, true Count Zero, the war got very nasty as all wars do, and was a cruel and nasty thing with men so shattered as to be shot for cowardice, not all died to the enemy bullets. Yes, Nationalism and patriotism, how all early wars got started, all loyal subjects fought for King and Country. Better to have it all on mini tables IMHO!
since in between working sessions there happens to be kids running around and asking their father questions about tanks and yelling at each other, i have yet to find that frantically working rhythm that makes it not possible to take shots inbetween^^ so all has its benefits^^
fevered brain is aflame with ideas!
this happens to me all the time, thus i have so many projetcs on the line waiting to get finished...
Better to have it all on mini tables IMHO!
true and if hope was apples i would make apple pie each day^^
the worst part of a war is not even the killing... the breaking of the still alive is the hardest i think... the dead are over the edge and it doen´t get worse then...i remember my granddad... russian warprisoner...he used to kick and punch in his sleep...talk about unresolved war trauma...the stuff he must have witnessed and even committed...at least i know for his stories that he wasn´t a nazi himself.. he even married my grandmother, who wore the yellow star in her youth...
currently i await the mechanic that last week tried to mend our heater... last evening we had a total short-circuit fault of the heaters electronics... it did sound like a capuccinomachine^^ thankfully with its last breath we showered the children... so not much stink on them^^ have to be thankful for the small things in life...^^
unfortunatly that excluded my morning shower... i am only half the man without...
well if he actually arrives today...that is...but the heating under ideal conditions is quite fast...as i said ideal conditions...
sticky kids saves water... helps keeping the nature clean and protected...er...dirty kids help the enviroment? stuff ecology^^ i don´t want to be smelly and neither do i wnat smelly and sticky kids... eragh
lol....i remember those times when i had to bath with my sister...hold your thoughts... we were still toddlers back then...
the only zinc tubs i still know of are mostly used nowadays for flowerpots^^
at hazzer: specify pleae...are you talking about bathing with yon sis or about tanks and stuff?^^ only jokin`
at shrike...as a regular follower of this thread and possibly a reader of a fellow late brit auther you must have heard of Dirk Gently? there is a interconectivity of everything...so in my terms here there is little chance to ever get off topic from the whole thing here^^...and speaking of:
honestly, you're nearly as bad as me ^^
tho we try we will never aspire that high^^ ...er...
at chibi... we had again in the evening the noise of capuccino making...but withiout an actual shuttdown of the heater... guess it was over sensitivity...go figure...it´s what happens when you are dependend to tech and then the tech fails you...darn...
and to make it even worse i have to really motivate me tomorrow to get substantial work on the tank done...didn´t do jack today...again...that is now almost three days no work done on the tank...pretty slack if i say so myself...need a kick or two to get in gear again^^
Hard to keep up with your thread, I even missed (a prolonged discussion about) both world wars, and it's been only two or three days since I checked here.
Hard to tell what the tank will look like in the end, but I'm glad you made the jump from "impractical foam thing" to "this could actually become a model", you know I were worried for a brief moment.
Baiyuan wrote:Hard to keep up with your thread, I even missed (a prolonged discussion about) both world wars, and it's been only two or three days since I checked here.
Hard to tell what the tank will look like in the end, but I'm glad you made the jump from "impractical foam thing" to "this could actually become a model", you know I were worried for a brief moment.
All due to encouragement from all of us who care about seeing it finished.
i am atm a bit frustrated at some odd places i still have to cover up... so my motivation is a bit low...covering up is more work than creating new stuff...the later is much more rewarding from an intrinsic point of view... but i guess i get over that... today i played a bit hide and seek^^ in my bitzbox and had a hatch of SM tanks in my hand...and put it back in the box... this tank wouldn´t need such a hatch^^ so i looked instead into the scratchmaterial box... and found a champagne cork made from plastic...urghhhh... but good and straight material that i have used already for the turret hatch...now i am thinking of how to add the maingunbarrel...my current tries have failed, but i think i will get this working in short time...
and thanks fellas (you definatly know who you are^^) for keeping me motivated and urging me on to more productive deeds and yet staying with me when i get into rambling and bubbling moods^^
I have a hatch that i shaved a bit, marine cupola with a new style leman russ hatch(the flat one) and it is going on the next scratch build I make! If you have such, give it a whirl Vik!
I also noticed the armor at the back of where you will have the turret needs some "banding" for rivets as well, I think Neil's photo-shop also has some insights for the gun barrel.
i tried to use a drilled cherry bomb half i have... but the diameter was too big... the look alone would be cool...but the diameter would go over the banding on the turret so i slipped that idea...
tomorrow i will show what i did for that hatch... unfortunatly i dont own imerial tank hatch atm so this option is out...
i think i have to make a series of pics to better show where i have already made the banding...the old pics are quite outdated....
lol... still not, the weekend family needs and deeds have made a priority call as usual... tomorrow i will go to a fleamarket... cross fingers for my treasure huntings^^ fleamarkets is like the box of choclates...
congrats j3r03n for getting this far^^
thanks for the compliments^^
sorry that sanity will now be a stranger to you... but feel welcome in the mids of the other lunatics here... lunatics aplenty it seems^^
see we get here even chocolate tanks...who could as for more^^...thanks to neil^^
For some reason that makes me think hovercraft more than a skimmer type....and what would happen if the thing keeping it afloat punctures.... balloon zipping across the room type deal?
well all i can say tho i like raisins...mostly they give me the winds^^
and on the whole food stuff...and for those who make fun of my workmodus operandi...:
choke on this mates^^:
still needs the PVA glue to dry but this is the maingun... might get some work done from the connecting to the turret point to the barrel...as i have to think something up for this...
like, dislike? well make your own and dare to show it here OR...this is way easier...praise me^^
cheers mate, the hull by the way is still not done...not motivated enough for that atm...
That looks sweet, 1 hing to maybe consider, maybe make the tops of th plates into archeslike a big n instead of square...... could make it look more grimdarky and then use it to paint pics of big victories, skulls etc......
Very nice Work vik , is that plasticard? i agree with shazo in that it could use a mounting thingy .. where the barrel meets the tank , but looks great regardless. the size is a good choice , not too huge and not too skinny either.
thanks mates, tomorrow i will post some more pics of the barrel, it has some hidden nice details^^
at chibi and dante:
the connective point of the barrel to the turret will get a needed attention...i at first tried to make a half sperical "thingy" like the chimera lasguns...if you know what i mean:
i have these cherrybomb casings...empty and already spent^^ so no harm anymore...these should do as a cover for the joint...maybe a bit of GS work there to cover up some messy points...
at neil:
the white parts of the barrel are form a hardwarestore that hat plastic tubings and these are plasticcard as i think...but they were dead cheap and i got plenty of them when i went shoping with my wife^^... the only reason why i hadn´t already used it was that i never came to cut this stuff with a straight edge... all my cuts were miserable work...
That looks a little like a halfbarrel mounted sideways. So it looks like you can elevated and depress the gun barrel.
at dantay:
...please explain further as my texh comprehesion in english is rather limited and i feel that this might be a good thing you are suggesting...
the size of the barrel should go for the standard barrel and amunition a Leman Russ uses...hope i am in line with those designs a bit...
at dantay again^^:
That looks sweet, 1 hing to maybe consider, maybe make the tops of th plates into archeslike a big n instead of square...... could make it look more grimdarky and then use it to paint pics of big victories, skulls etc......
hmmm that sounds very interesting... i don´t know i am able atm to do that but i have an image of what you suggested in my mind and i like that^^... but i think this design should be done at the beginning... i don´t know if i could built that on the current one too...tho i now regret that as it would certainly push the steampunk look way further...darn...
Good work, it's coming together, though I can't say I like the design that much, the whole turret is too high and thus toy-like to me. Might be just me...
well i imagined the gunner to be standing inside the turret... the spnsons are too manhigh ...i had experimented with smaller turrets but didn´t found them fitting...
I build a lot of stuff using the cardboard over foam technique. I didnt have time to read the last 40 pages of stuff so i am not sure that you got this hint already, but you can use wire nails (very small fine gauge nails that they use for picture frames and the like) to hold the cardboard to your foam model and they double as rivets when you are all done with your project.
Also. You can use a ball point pen to score the face of the cardboard so that it bends easily at the place you want the armor plate to bend at. If you are using smooth cardboard like that which GW boxes are made out of , score the rough inside face of the material sot hat the pen mark is on the inside of what you pin to your model.
Tracks can be made with those little plastic clips that they use for bread bags. The creset shaped clips. If you break them in half and use one half for one side of the tank and the other half for the other side, they make nice premade treads for your tanks.
Lookin good so far. enjoy seeing the progress.
BTW. if you look in my gallery all the Funky lookin ork vehicles were made using the same techinques that i outline above.
cheers.
just looked through your ork gallery as suggested...nice collection of very good looking vehicles...
the tip with the pins i tried already...didn´t really work for me though...
could you show a pic of said bread bags plastic clips? i googled the term and the pics i got arn´t available in germany... must be a country related product...
to bend i usauall use a knife to score then bend the cardboard ... this leaves a straight but then torn edge... i will try to test your suggested ball pen methode... maybe this way i can make bends without sharp and cut looking edges...
Like Dantay said, I think arching the reinforcement strips on the top (so they look like CZ from the side instead of [Z ) dang that didn't work well, but yeah, that'd be a nice little decorative detail, make it more Steampunky.
well i think one will get to this position in the hobby eventually...me i got there earlier as i need some vehicles and the cash isn´t coming like i want to^^
Viktor von Domm wrote:well i think one will get to this position in the hobby eventually...me i got there earlier as i need some vehicles and the cash isn´t coming like i want to^^
I hear that.... for you and me both.
Luckily I won a Super Heavy Tank MWAHAHAHAHA my Shadowsword is so in the mail!
well as for show off...yesterday i promised a closer look to the barrel, infact into the barrel^^
here it is...:
thus i think it is quite enough textured already...
and then i did a rather really quick mockup from paper to demonstrate the suggested look from quite a bunch of the residents of this thread...namly arched look to the turret...behold:
mind you this is only paper and you have to take into acount that the shape of the turrets side are altenating wider and smaller...and these arches could only be done in the sections that are mostly oblong...so still should i go for the arched look even if it was only every two sections?
your thoughts for inspiring me even further please!
lol....that might be the case^^ overdose of epicness can be harmfull... after all a serious strain of jawmuscles could hurt for a long time...^^
hmmmm... icons in the archway....any ideas as what icons i could use? i wanted to kake my army as skullless as possible by the way... so something more in the lines of british victorian style ....and still doable my me mind you^^
oi...freehanding...? holy... i more thought about some raised iconograhpic structure...but nothing in particular... tho i have seen quite some good murals here on this board done on tanks i think this way over my capabilities...
The arch looks cool, very steampunk , freehanding would be nice but i think this tank is more victorian industrial , like the structures by gustav eiffel or Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
ok, neil, to your latest additions here i will do a bit of a try and error work... we had that discussion on the airship if i recall correctly... now would also be a goo time to rethink the "eifel" look to steel...
the cutout and paste look ...shaso if you have a certain ring of image to your mind do tell...i would give it a try...but these images would have to be done when the tank is almost completed, or not? like decals?
Automatically Appended Next Post: by the way, had to look up gustav eiffel brunel^^ we live we learn^^
nice minis, the iron men i will try out to build myself later...buying would be too much for me but i think they could be done by scratchbuilding... could count as ogryns...maybe i should ditch my desgin for these^^
and the posters...hmmm...it should be artful and respectful...
I feel upset now.
aye!
that one? well a bit^^ the gun does imply the image a bit^^
