Breotan wrote: This exclusive Special Play card for pre-ordering via the GW site, is it for certain BB items? Or could I get one for ordering just the Skaven box?
Breotan wrote: This exclusive Special Play card for pre-ordering via the GW site, is it for certain BB items? Or could I get one for ordering just the Skaven box?
What star player card?
Special play, not star player. It's on GW's home page. Just look at the first advert for Blood Bowl. There's a mention in the lower right-hand corner of the ad.
Breotan wrote: This exclusive Special Play card for pre-ordering via the GW site, is it for certain BB items? Or could I get one for ordering just the Skaven box?
What star player card?
Special play, not star player. It's on GW's home page. Just look at the first advert for Blood Bowl. There's a mention in the lower right-hand corner of the ad.
Breotan wrote: This exclusive Special Play card for pre-ordering via the GW site, is it for certain BB items? Or could I get one for ordering just the Skaven box?
When i ordered my box it was added to my cart automatically when i added the box, so you should be able to check by added the skaven team.
The humans are a tiny bit bigger. The Orcs are much bigger than the old BB plastics but then those Orcs were tiny.
Other than that they are "in scale" with late eighth edition WFB, as they should be.
On a completely separate topic, does anyone else want to see a Savage Orc team in the game? I mean, there are four kinds of elf team already….
Mr_Rose wrote: The humans are a tiny bit bigger. The Orcs are much bigger than the old BB plastics but then those Orcs were tiny.
Other than that they are "in scale" with late eighth edition WFB, as they should be.
On a completely separate topic, does anyone else want to see a Savage Orc team in the game? I mean, there are four kinds of elf team already….
Personally, not fussed about Savage Orcs, want to see Amazons most.
I'm building Dark Elves at the moment. Mostly using the 40k Wyches, but converted with bits from here and there and quite a bit og green stuff. I figure, the sooner I get my Dark Elves almost done, the sooner GW releases their version. :-D
bound for glory wrote: You guys do now that there are many, many alt companies making, well, everything these days, right?
Of course we do. That doesn't mean they offer what all people are looking after.
Not the same prices, not the same materials, not the same design, not possible to take it when you want at your favorite shop...Plenty of reasons, really.
Genoside07 wrote: I keep hearing about scale creep.. Anyone has pictures of the new miniatures compared to the old ones??
Here's a pic I took last month for the review. Bear in mind 32 base sits slightly higher. Played existing teams with new plastics & it's fine. Just better sculpts. But you can use your old team, convert models, buy from Comixinios/3rd party, or wait until your preferred team is released.
Genoside07 wrote: I keep hearing about scale creep.. Anyone has pictures of the new miniatures compared to the old ones??
Here's a pic I took last month for the review. Bear in mind 32 base sits slightly higher. Played existing teams with new plastics & it's fine. Just better sculpts. But you can use your old team, convert models, buy from Comixinios/3rd party, or wait until your preferred team is released.
When you mean buy from 3rd party, you still can't bring them into a GW right? That would be too good to be true!
Genoside07 wrote: I keep hearing about scale creep.. Anyone has pictures of the new miniatures compared to the old ones??
Here's a pic I took last month for the review. Bear in mind 32 base sits slightly higher. Played existing teams with new plastics & it's fine. Just better sculpts. But you can use your old team, convert models, buy from Comixinios/3rd party, or wait until your preferred team is released.
When you mean buy from 3rd party, you still can't bring them into a GW right? That would be too good to be true!
I don't out if respect for the store but you can use them anywhere else, or maybe even in GW store is cool with that. If you want to play, and want a certain team look, you'll make it work. BB really shines at league play. If you can't find players the Internet can help with that. But I'm glad to see so man you leagues already cropping up.
There are some really good deals going on Ebay lately. I would guess alot of people are wondering if granny will be re releasing their older BB figures, so are tring to get what they can.
Its hard for me to resist buying more teams/figures.
Chopxsticks wrote: $32 US dollars for a cardboard field? The field made up 1/3rd of the total price of the game?
That was pretty obvious when you compare the price of the skaven team to the box set price (the dice, templates and rules are also in there, but starter sets tend to be deals).
Having gotten custom pitches printed before, the snow pitch is a really competitive price, even ignoring that it's double sided.
If the rules really haven't changed, then buying this pitch separately is a bonus to me as I have block dice and everything else needed. I'm in the minority of people who dislike the newer models because of the scale creep. I am happy however that the pitch has grown to larger squares.
Theophony wrote: If the rules really haven't changed, then buying this pitch separately is a bonus to me as I have block dice and everything else needed. I'm in the minority of people who dislike the newer models because of the scale creep. I am happy however that the pitch has grown to larger squares.
Ditto here. I have the 3rd Edition Orks (which were already on the small side) compared to the Norse and Dark Eldar I've converted. This is a really reasonable price for a nice pitch.
Yes! I am so happy they are selling the pitch seperate. Me and a colleague are trying to start a small league and get two non-wargamer colleagues involved. I didn't want to spend £65 on the box just to get a second pitch, but now I don't have to!
The White Dwarf mentions they have future pitches planned for each of teams.
I'm hoping the nurgle team turns out to be plastic and more interesting than the current teams. The Skaven team is cool but i'm not too keen on the tails...those are going to break off for sure. So long as they keep pestigors in and make the team look cool then i'll be happy. I have some spare nurglings waiting to decorate the bases of some nurgle warriors. The fact that they at least had some concept work done for them gives me some hope.
Bottle wrote: Yes! I am so happy they are selling the pitch seperate. Me and a colleague are trying to start a small league and get two non-wargamer colleagues involved. I didn't want to spend £65 on the box just to get a second pitch, but now I don't have to!
The White Dwarf mentions they have future pitches planned for each of teams.
No, you'll probably want the second box game for the full squad of positional players. Ork teams almost always start with 4 Black Orks and 4 Blitzers... Human Teams also want the full 4 Blitzers.
Anpu-adom wrote: No, you'll probably want the second box game for the full squad of positional players. Ork teams almost always start with 4 Black Orks and 4 Blitzers... Human Teams also want the full 4 Blitzers.
Human teams may even consider loading up on catchers at 60k each.
Bottle wrote: Yes! I am so happy they are selling the pitch seperate. Me and a colleague are trying to start a small league and get two non-wargamer colleagues involved. I didn't want to spend £65 on the box just to get a second pitch, but now I don't have to!
The White Dwarf mentions they have future pitches planned for each of teams.
No, you'll probably want the second box game for the full squad of positional players. Ork teams almost always start with 4 Black Orks and 4 Blitzers... Human Teams also want the full 4 Blitzers.
Lol, no we're not going to spend £65 just to get 4 additional players for each team. We will likely play teams of 12 to begin with without the extra league rules and in that case a box of dwarfs and a second pitch gives us everything we need.
Down the road, if it takes off with the non-wargamer colleagues, I would rather bulk out the teams with extra options, for example a Troll, 2 Goblins and a Star Player for the Orcs and something similar for the Humans.
What is the actual day that independents will be able to sell these in the US? My FGS is a 90 minute round trip and I was hoping to buy and quick build for a possible demo round on Sunday (i.e., buy it on Friday if available).
privateer4hire wrote: What is the actual day that independents will be able to sell these in the US? My FGS is a 90 minute round trip and I was hoping to buy and quick build for a possible demo round on Sunday (i.e., buy it on Friday if available).
Wow, that's shocking. This looked like it was heralding a series of new releases. I was expecting it to become a permanent fixture on game shop shelves.
I'd like to see confirmation on that before I will believe it (though it wouldn't surprise me TBH). This will not help the game if it's true.
I was planning on waiting to pick it up later with a discount, but figured there would be no hurry. Might have to change my plans (either buy earlier or forget it altogether).
I don't know the correct nomenclature in English but if I were to translate from French the game availability is "depending on demand".
It is not supposed to have a permanent place in the range but seeing it disappear as fast as January sounds quite drastic.
Now, it's not a question of the release being limited, unlike SH. Actually GW had to print additional boxes as demand surpassed what they had available. Hell, we actually have more boxes at the store than the local GW, so I suspect GW may have done a gesture toward Independents by reducing the amount of boxes sent to their own stores and redirecting them toward some of us.
I wonder if GW didn't massively underestimate the demand for the game. I hope it could make them reconsider the availability of the game and producing some future teams in plastic instead of letting Forgeworld handle it.
Yeah I was surprised I was suggesting a league but he said he's not going to get any releases past dwarves and won't even have anything in past Jan so wasn't keen on pushing a game that doesn't do anything for his in store targets .
My local GW is the same. No league because after Jan it won't be on the shelves. It was mentioned that it will be sold through independents though, so it's not a true "direct only" item. It's just that if you want to buy it from a GW you'll have to order it in from January onwards.
Crap. I was hoping to get a local league going based on the fact that the game would have on-going availablity and reasonably priced to buy into (comparably speaking).
I've already got Dreadball sitting on a shelf. I guess I'll decide when/if I see it on the FGS's shelves this weekend.
I hope this does well and GW realizes they should give the game full support. That way they get the ball rolling with more models and team sets. I mean not stocking the game at all in their stores is a bit lame. They can't even find space for a minimum of five boxes in the corner somewhere? I find that a bit absurd they can't even find space for a few starter boxes at the least.
The winter blood bowl board is awesome, so many little cool details on it.
The fact that the skaven/other team dice are limited IMO is lame as hell. Seeing as how the starter dice are themed for those teams. I wouldn't feel right playing skaven or nurgle with baby blue dice. If GW doesn't want to produce a consistent amount of dice for teams then maybe they should let forgeworld do it.
That's kind of weird. I was in GW Denver and the manager said that when he sold out of his BB stock it was gone and he wouldn't stock it anymore. At first I chalked that up to a sales tactic. Now I'm not so sure...
Our GW manager lets the community manage itself. Thats probably why he has sales plaques on the store wall showing his sales are always on top in North America.
We're starting our league in January.
He's smart enough to know that a league running will still drive people to order models through the store and thus giving him credit for sales.
Decent painting guide for the orks, except i'll be using standard highlighting + weathering instead of the drybrushing. Anyone have any ideas on how to do the black orc skin like the eavy metal team? It looks like kabalite green, almost a dark blue sea green skin tone. It looks really cool, hopefully duncan does a 2 minute guide on how to do that skin tone.
I rarely ever see orc skin painted with a slightly blue tint, nice change from the more brown earthy tones i've done in the past.
The app is up. It is unfortunately a little basic in its design but it does have one perk. You can download an Ebook of the rules for £8 or season one for £13. You can get a bundle of both for £15 pounds. So if you already have teams and a pitch you can get all the new rules without having to fork out for the boxed game.
Thargrim wrote: I'm hoping the nurgle team turns out to be plastic and more interesting than the current teams. The Skaven team is cool but i'm not too keen on the tails...those are going to break off for sure. So long as they keep pestigors in and make the team look cool then i'll be happy. I have some spare nurglings waiting to decorate the bases of some nurgle warriors. The fact that they at least had some concept work done for them gives me some hope.
Ehgawds, never thought about plastic Pestigors in the Nurgle team. That and the price of the Skaven team would see me shell out for several boxes more than BB alone needs.
The plastic warriors can be Blightking and Plague Marine spare parts
Finally bought Blood Bowl box with Season 1 book, the skaven box and the skaven dice. Good thing to go after work at my local GW shop on friday.
It's really good stuff. I'm amazed with all the things you get in the skaven team box. The decal paper has plenty of things to put on your models, and in two colors for each! For 25 €, in a GW shop, meaning "full price"! I still don't believe it.
Blood Bowl is back, people! Let's make a Dance of Joy!
If that rumour regarding its availability is true...that seems like a really silly move by GW. Even if they shifted all the extra teams, plastic and resin, to Online/FLGS after a month or so you'd expect them to keep a handful of the main boxes as part of a store's normal shelf stock.
I mean, quite apart from the already mentioned problem that it strongly discourages GW store managers from supporting the game since they can't sell it and their job depends on meeting often ludicrous sales targets, not having the box there in the shops is going to have a serious impact on uptake - back in the day it was seeing the boxes with their incredible artwork that made me look into Mordheim and Battlefleet Gothic in the first place and I went on to buy an inadvisable amount of stuff for both.
Half way through putting the Humans and Orcs together, got to say I am loving the models. Got Skaven to do after.
Liking some of the touches with the race set up, four Elf teams is great, can't wait to see them turn up over at Forgeworld.. and one of my main asks before the game launched over on the Blood Bowl facebook page, regarding Witch Elves still being in the game, is confirmed, with the added bonus the Dark Elf Star Player is a Witch Elf as well.
The only down side I have stumbled across was in the new White Dwarf, what in the seven hells have they done to Zug.
Other than that, all awesome, trying to get the teams together tonight so me and the boys can play tomorrow.
Chikout wrote: The app is up. It is unfortunately a little basic in its design but it does have one perk. You can download an Ebook of the rules for £8 or season one for £13. You can get a bundle of both for £15 pounds. So if you already have teams and a pitch you can get all the new rules without having to fork out for the boxed game.
Picked it up at one of the FGSs where I shop. Been putting the orcs together first and so far they've been perfect joins. I only model and paint anything for the purpose of gaming so having these go together so nicely is a real blessing
How about other teams to be released.
I would be interested in Elves and related kin.
Chaos is easy to represent. They have no special models like throwers and whatnot. Just four Chaos Warriors, Beastmen, and one Minotaur. But definitely hard to play.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Dwarf models are on the app, has this been mentioned yet? They are sweeeet painted up
Could you post some pics? The preview on the App Store page has a pic of the Skaven model painted, but I think the only way to see dwarfs is to purchase it (I'd also love to see more Skaven!).
Edit: I'm assuming the Skaven set on the GW website is just an older one, not the new release, right?
Regarding the Season One book, damn the Hall of Fame is a great idea.. giving you a 12 man playable team of some of the famous ones of the NAF.. okay so far all we have is the Bright Crusaders and the Orcland Raiders.. but both have all the players noted with team cost to play and a team based Special rule.. absolutely hope we'll see more of them down the road, hell I'd buy a source book based around that concept.. 'Hall of Fame' book full of classic teams with named players, Star Player stats and team rules.. would be amazing.
Yeah,
The new bigger board is a thing of beauty!
The dice are lovely.
The teams are beautiful!
Had a quick flick through the rules today and don't think I spotted any big changes.
Has anyone started compiling a list?
One thing I noted and I'm quite happy with is the name change to bloodweiser babes,
It's now Bloodweiser Kegs.
What we do need is a few female sculpts.
Fingers crossed we get some team boosters to help get the squads up to 16!
Panic...
Hmm, I paid $3.99 for the app and in the end I really don't like those dwarf sculpts =/. And it does seem the Skaven team is the final thing, unless I'm missing something? Bummer on both counts!
Mostly the same.. a few minor changes, although one for me is a change for the absolute best, the MVP award. Instead of a random team member often some no hoper who did nothing that game.. this time you pick three players and roll a D3.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Mostly the same.. a few minor changes, although one for me is a change for the absolute best, the MVP award. Instead of a random team member often some no hoper who did nothing that game.. this time you pick three players and roll a D3.
Great adjustment in my view.
Great news! Funny though it was to have MVP repeatedly going to a player that had gone out like a chump in the first round.... Or died.
So the expansion book is worth getting for £12-15 then? Wasn't going to bother, given the lack of rules changes, and being slightly narked that rules for leagues & a basic selection of teams weren't included in the base game.
I got my expansion book today... here's a rundown.
The teams: Fluff, Team Histories, Star Player, and Roster for each of the "All New" teams, Skaven, Nurgle, Dwarves, Elven Union, High Elf, Dark Elf, and Wood Elf.
Review... nothing much new here. I haven't gone over things with a fine-toothed comb, but I haven't seen any changes that haven't been noted other places. Has the human and ork Star Players at the back as well. Other than the star players, there isn't anything here that isn't in the PDF of the 'old' rosters (available at Bloodbowl.com)
League Rules:
Basics of running a challenge-style league. Drafting, Casualties, Star Player Points, Treasury, and Team value stay the same. As noted, MVP has become choose three and roll off.
Specific pre-game sequence. Specific Post-game sequence.
Expensive mistakes... replaces spiraling expenses... depending on how much you have in the treasury, you may need to spend some of it to hush people up.
Downtime... at the end of any season, you roll for things like the "Wants to Retire", resolve those niggling injuries, determine your starting treasury for the next year, and seeing if your playoff performance has cost you some of those fair-weather fans. In all, very cool. I especially like the idea that some of those 'Bloat" players just become too expensive for you to bring back... they might just become Assistant Coaches!
All the inducements are noted and explained (no wizard, however).
Some optional League Rules (including Piling On).
Skills:
All of the skills explained... this is nice.
Coaching Staff:
If you have a miniature for your Coach (What?!?!) you can argue with the ref when a player is sent off for a foul. On a 6, you get the call reversed. That's cool!
Bonus:
Fluff and special rules for two more teams, the Orkland Raiders and the Bright Crusaders.
A great reference guide.
Final Verdict:
If you are a fan of fluff or running a league, this is a must buy.
If you play one of the 7 races in this book? I'd probably not.
General Blood Bowler? Still, a probably not.
Ultimately, there only needs to be 1 of this book in a league.
Yes, it's really a nice "old school" book. The fluff of Season 1 focuses on star players and teams not described in the main rulebook but present in this Season 1 book. We have a small history for each emblematic team, including the Hall of Fame ones (Orcland Raiders and Bright Crusaders).
Very few pictures of painted models. We see a halfling and a goblin referee, but otherwise orcs, humans and skaven miniatures. They are on back of the cover (first and last page), exactly like the "old school" books!
There are not many pictures inside the book itself. Mostly logos and a few drawings here and there.
About the rules, the changes are there but few and quite subtle. They didn't touch to the core rules, they just made a few modifications for some skills or league rules. Cheerleaders and Coach Assistants are still near useless (only modifying one result of the Kick Off! table, like before).
Most of the change is rather a new layout of the rules for better understanding, IMHO. They try to be clearer.
The special cards are the same than in the Living Rulebook. I expect the other decks not released right now will be following that road as well. There will be magic items, since they're mentionned in the core rules.
A really good new edition, for what I have read. The only negative thing for me is that the miniatures are quite repetitive. They still can be converted, of course, but you have to cut and experiment since very few parts are actually intended to be switched.
Something I meant to ask to those who have picked up Death Zone already - is Morg 'N' Thorg still restricted to Human and Orcs as a Star Player in it? I could've sworn he had a wider range of teams he'd play for in the last edition.
There is sort of a whiff of 'Emperor's New Clothes' about the re-release of BB but then again, I don't think it could have been otherwise; the consternation had there been wholesale rules changes would have been immense.
Still think the scale creep is a dick move though.
All of this was already available for free on the web in a PDF... It's just that barely anyone played Blood Bowl.
Over 900 players at the world Championship... for a game in our hobby, that isn't "barely anyone". Can you name any other single game event that gets even close?
Still think the scale creep is a dick move though.
Why is updating the scale so that it matches all of the other ranges a dick move?
Especially for stuff like Orcs where the old Orcs look nothing like the current ones.
Is the scale creep caused by people kitbashing teams a problem?
You really think that they should have made the models worse just to accommodate people that weren't going to buy any models because they already have them?
It's hardly a dick move at all. You can easily use the old boards, thinks fit. The slight size increase is a great thing, so many more models are viable with a bigger base size.
GW have bent over backwards to make sure this release doesn't piss off the fanbase, the NAF have been involved heavily with rules etc.
It seems that people will moan about anything if it's GW.
Wow, that's shocking. This looked like it was heralding a series of new releases. I was expecting it to become a permanent fixture on game shop shelves.
Think I said something about them not being permanent shop line and was shot down. "No way GW would do that to the most anticipiated release ever!" or to that effect was said.
But this is not core game(AOS/40k). It's specialist game. Seen those much in stores lately? Epic? Necromunda? Mordheim?
Few months on stores, then to direct only. Most sales happen on first few months anyway so unless they are going to have REALLY aggressive new releases for BB there's not even much incentive to have it on store. Most of sales from new big box has been got so to support trickle of new teams here and there isn't worth the store space(which btw costs money for GW).
Still think the scale creep is a dick move though.
Why is updating the scale so that it matches all of the other ranges a dick move?
Especially for stuff like Orcs where the old Orcs look nothing like the current ones.
Is the scale creep caused by people kitbashing teams a problem?
You really think that they should have made the models worse just to accommodate people that weren't going to buy any models because they already have them?
Thebiggesthat wrote:Scale creep?
It's hardly a dick move at all. You can easily use the old boards, thinks fit. The slight size increase is a great thing, so many more models are viable with a bigger base size.
GW have bent over backwards to make sure this release doesn't piss off the fanbase, the NAF have been involved heavily with rules etc.
It seems that people will moan about anything if it's GW.
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old. GW could quite easily have kept to the same scale - it wouldn't have made the models worse or less good looking (and on a slight tangent, I really must rail against this prevalent opinion that making things bigger is somehow better, we are, after all, playing with 'miniatures' - part of the skill is in the miniaturization of the sculpt.). It strikes me that the only reason that GW made the new models out of scale was as an attempt to get people to buy new stuff. I don't blame them for that; they are, after all, in the business of selling miniatures - I just happen to think it is a crappy way of generating sales.
filbert wrote: Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there.
I very much doubt those teams go out of existance. And I doubt many will be mixing&matching models from different producers in same team anyway. 16 players so generally people will just get all in one go. New models will go to new team rather than existing.
FB/40k players have been dealing with increasing scale for decades. Funny thing hasn't stopped them before and you still see old smaller models. And that's with games where different sized models actually offer in game benefit unlike blood bowl...
The last BB miniatures they released were what? 20 years ago?
I don't really think it's a dick move to make these a tiny bit bigger :/
I got all my stuff together yesterday and it's all really great stuff. My only sadness is not having any elf team in plastic, but then the resin will be superior anyway I guess.
The d3 and choose for the SPP is quite the (welcome) change. Going to make it much easier to level Black Orcs And similar things now
Well, Sports Fans, the results are in! Andy Hewitt's Wood Elf Team "The Leap of Faith" won overall at the Bugman's Full Beard Cup, which we streamed live from Warhammer World this weekend. Congratulations to Andy, who featured in both Game 4 & 5 today on the live feed. If you want to watch the games for yourself, follow this link and click on 'videos' at the top. https://www.twitch.tv/warhammercommunitytv
Well, I'll play the Chaos team with Chaos warriors and Beastmen. They are plastic and can all be based on 32 mm.
Not the best team in the game, certainly challenging.
filbert wrote: Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
Huh?
It doesn't. In any way.
I'm personally not fond of the scale creep, for purely aesthetic purposes though (bigger isn't necessarily better). There's however nothing stopping a team of new GW BB models facing a team of old GW or 3rd party models.
Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
False
Basically no-one who actually plays the game will care if you're using classic minis or not, or if they do it will mostly be to the extent of saying "cool! I've not seen those before" - I personally know several folk who are just buying the "winter" pitch, and/or the rules download in the app and continuing to use their old teams regardless.
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
You'd better tell all of the people who have kitbashed teams or players from current models that they're doing it wrong and those slightly larger models cannot be mixed with old Blood Bowl sized minis because it invalidates them.
Liking some of the touches with the race set up, four Elf teams is great, can't wait to see them turn up over at Forgeworld.. and one of my main asks before the game launched over on the Blood Bowl facebook page, regarding Witch Elves still being in the game, is confirmed, with the added bonus the Dark Elf Star Player is a Witch Elf as well.
Why wouldn't witch elves exist? It would be the biggest change of the entire release should they remove witch elves. The only changes so far are skaven runner got an additional skill and some minor changes in cost of a few players (+-10'000). Some changes to money, league play and MVP. And possibly Morgn'n'Thorg lost a lot of teams he can play for.
Edit: Well, more changes too like special event cards and the pitch has a 1 trapdoor square on each half with unknown usage.
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
You'd better tell all of the people who have kitbashed teams or players from current models that they're doing it wrong and those slightly larger models cannot be mixed with old Blood Bowl sized minis because it invalidates them.
Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones? Not because the aesthetic has changed (and in fact, for Terminators, old and new are very similar) but because the old ones look stupid and out of scale when mixed with new. It is the same case here; for those of us who may have wanted to use the opportunity of newly released models to bolster and augment existing teams now cannot as the scale difference prohibits it. Again, I see no reason why GW has done this other than to drive sales - fair enough, that is what they exist as a business for, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Again, just because it is going on in 40K and Fantasy as well doesn't mean one has to like it.
The other side of it is those of us with custom pitches as well. I have a beautifully made custom BB pitch (not made by me, I hasten to add but by another very talented chap) but there is no way that new models will fit comfortably on it (in point of fact, the old BB pitches were a bit of a squeeze even with 28mm bases).
Edit: Actually, I should clarify that for BB it isn't that much of a big deal, given that there may only be one or two new models that I might integrate. What concerns me is that GW will use it in the rest of their SG revamp. So if/when Epic relaunches, and the whole new line of models are 15mm or whatever they are rumoured to be, again, that invalidates the old stuff. And that will be a problem, because people will naturally want to bolster their old armies.
filbert wrote: I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones? Not because the aesthetic has changed (and in fact, for Terminators, old and new are very similar) but because the old ones look stupid and out of scale when mixed with new. It is the same case here; for those of us who may have wanted to use the opportunity of newly released models to bolster and augment existing teams now cannot as the scale difference prohibits it.
That's not the same issue though.
The different terminator sculpts do look weird if mixed together in the same army, and mixing in new BB models together with old ones in the same team will look off as well I agree. And that is part of why I'm not fond of the scale creep either,
But that doesn't invalidate any existing models however. Any team I buy from Black Scorpion, Comixininos, Impact etc, is just as valid today as they were before GW's relaunch of BB. It might look a bit weird if one team is in a slightly larger scale than another, but that's nothing new. That's been the case for years and years due to people using models from different manufacturers and eras. As long as the teams are internally consistent, there's no problem.
Also, no, "old bad GW" didn't have the blood bowl, or any other specialist games rules, up on the site; it was in fact the removal of same that signaled their transition from older, better GW and heralded the Low Times.
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old. It strikes me that the only reason that GW made the new models out of scale was as an attempt to get people to buy new stuff. I don't blame them for that; they are, after all, in the business of selling miniatures - I just happen to think it is a crappy way of generating sales.
I for one will still be playing with my Impact Resin teams and the teams that I've converted from AoS and Warhammer models. There are going to continue to be a heck of a lot of events that aren't run by GW, so simmer down. Hell... I'll still play my dinky 3rd edition orks that are lovingly painted in a poop and piss paint scheme!
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
You'd better tell all of the people who have kitbashed teams or players from current models that they're doing it wrong and those slightly larger models cannot be mixed with old Blood Bowl sized minis because it invalidates them.
Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones? Not because the aesthetic has changed (and in fact, for Terminators, old and new are very similar) but because the old ones look stupid and out of scale when mixed with new. It is the same case here; for those of us who may have wanted to use the opportunity of newly released models to bolster and augment existing teams now cannot as the scale difference prohibits it. Again, I see no reason why GW has done this other than to drive sales - fair enough, that is what they exist as a business for, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Again, just because it is going on in 40K and Fantasy as well doesn't mean one has to like it.
The other side of it is those of us with custom pitches as well. I have a beautifully made custom BB pitch (not made by me, I hasten to add but by another very talented chap) but there is no way that new models will fit comfortably on it (in point of fact, the old BB pitches were a bit of a squeeze even with 28mm bases).
Edit: Actually, I should clarify that for BB it isn't that much of a big deal, given that there may only be one or two new models that I might integrate. What concerns me is that GW will use it in the rest of their SG revamp. So if/when Epic relaunches, and the whole new line of models are 15mm or whatever they are rumoured to be, again, that invalidates the old stuff. And that will be a problem, because people will naturally want to bolster their old armies.
Much more likely is that they have upped the scale because they did it with all the rest of their miniatures, and that they did that because they think it looks good, just like the rest of the industry is going bigger and bigger. Most new games are doing GW scale or bigger, even going up to 35-40mm in some cases. When was the last time you saw a new 25mm game? Bigger models are easier on the eyes, can have more detail and are easier to paint. It doesn't really have to be more complicated than that... upping scale by a couple of mm would be a very roundabout way to try to increase sales of new models. When they changed from 25mm to 32mm bases and were asked why, their reason was that some designer had thought it would look better and everyone agreed, so they did it. No reason why that wouldn't be true.
I must admit, I think changing the scale to drive more sales is a bit crap.
Its small changes like this that mount up and end up with upset players and lost custom.
There are many other ways that GW could increase revenue without having to invalidate peoples old collections and models.
Although it is a bit crap that a blitzer is now the size of an old black orc, the problem will be more evident in the upcoming Epic releases than it will in BB, as filbert says.
Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones? Not because the aesthetic has changed (and in fact, for Terminators, old and new are very similar) but because the old ones look stupid and out of scale when mixed with new. It is the same case here; for those of us who may have wanted to use the opportunity of newly released models to bolster and augment existing teams now cannot as the scale difference prohibits it.
My Deathwing army has few 2nd edition metal Terminators mixed with AoBR, DV and regular plastic Termies. When put on same 40mm base they don't really stand out much, pose is bit more static and compact, that is.
In 40K of course size of the model has direct effect on game play because of TLOS, that is one thing which discourages some people using old smaller models.
Much more likely is that they have upped the scale because they did it with all the rest of their miniatures, and that they did that because they think it looks good, just like the rest of the industry is going bigger and bigger. Most new games are doing GW scale or bigger, even going up to 35-40mm in some cases. When was the last time you saw a new 25mm game? Bigger models are easier on the eyes, can have more detail and are easier to paint. It doesn't really have to be more complicated than that... upping scale by a couple of mm would be a very roundabout way to try to increase sales of new models. When they changed from 25mm to 32mm bases and were asked why, their reason was that some designer had thought it would look better and everyone agreed, so they did it. No reason why that wouldn't be true.
And the new Epic will be 8mm.
Based on the interview that the Head of Specialist Games gave when Skulls and Ones asked, this is exactly the reason they when with a larger scale. Aestetics... pure and simple. If they really wanted to screw everyone over, they would have gone with a SMALLER scale, so that your teams don't fit on the board.
I've played a couple of games on the 40mmx40mm fields that Impact produces... the game feels much more like American football to me.
They might make Epic at 10mm... same scale as Dropzone Commander.
Mymearan wrote: ? Bigger models are easier on the eyes, can have more detail and are easier to paint.
Well apart from different scale better for different uses(15mm, 10mm and 6mm are all vastly superior to 28mm in terms of visualizing big battles) the easier to paint is extremely dubious 15mm is easier to paint than 28mm, 10mm easier than 15mm and 6mm is by far easiest to paint. Not sure why 32mm would make it easier then...Especially as bigger models tend to require more from blending, freehanding etc advanced techniques to make them look good.
Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there. Because you won't be able to mix the new with the old.
You'd better tell all of the people who have kitbashed teams or players from current models that they're doing it wrong and those slightly larger models cannot be mixed with old Blood Bowl sized minis because it invalidates them.
Fantastic strawman. I didn't mention anything about kitbashing and it has nothing to do with what I am saying. Nor am I saying that you can't have an old team play a new team - I am merely suggesting that it will be hard, and in most cases will look crap where new models are mixed with old. We have seen the same thing in 40K and Fantasy. How many old style Terminator models do you see mixed in with new style ones?
You stated that models which are slightly larger "automatically invalidates" all existing teams - I'm pointing out that people have been playing with models exactly the same size as the new ones for ages without a problem so clearly your statement was ridiculous hyperbole.
Quite apart from the size change I've no idea why you expected that old stuff would match. The aesthetic has changed substantially since then. I mean, look at the human team - every iteration of them has been different enough that the minis don't really match.
The Orc teamm is even more striking - modern Orcs look nothing like '90s Orcs. Were you expecting Orcs with skinny legs and big grins?
We're talking about models that are 20 years old and, let's be honest, the Gary Morley blood bowl minis were pretty bad. How many models from that time period (40K 2nd edition) could fit nicely into an army of modern minis? Especially Morley models...
filbert wrote: Because the scale increase automatically invalidates every single existing team, both GW and third party, that exist out there.
Willy miniatures, Rolljordan and RNe Studios already make miniatures to that new larger scale. Starplayer miniatures are in between the old 28 mm scale and the new size. Most miniatures are taller tan original gws and the size disparity is hardly noticeable. Saying it invalidated EVERY 3rd party company is a bit of misnomer.
Also no one has ever looked at me and said..."your minis are too big/small you can't play"
I don't like GW...but this is really looking for a reason to complain.
EDIT From the Warhammer 40,000 FB page. Although it is in regards to the rerelease of Space Hulk, it most likely applies to Blood Bowl as well
Warhammer 40,000 wrote:This run of Space Hulk is limited again, as all boxed game runs are. By "limited" we simply mean there are only so many copies of it available. If you want it, get it as soon as you can!
Put together my box set today, first time putting together GW models in about 15 years. I see why people rate their plastics so highly now, so easy to put together, I love how everything just effortlessly interlocks and fits like a glove , step by step numbering on the sprues , very little mould lines to remove, impressive levels of detail....hard plastic that doesnt feel cheap just all around great. I assume the skaven will go together just as nicely if the postman delivers tomorrow.
Makes me wish other company's could engineer their sculpts to go together this well. I guess they will catch up eventually? Everything went together in probably less than 2 hours....no way can I put that many together that many models from other manufacturers in that time frame. I usually find construction of models the least enjoyable part of this hobby, the way the stuff went together today I actually kinda enjoyed it. Looking forward to getting some paint on 'em next weekend!
Loving the ref models, since the starter set is lacking in character its nice to have fluffy models like this to bring in that goofy element. Can't wait to see what else FW does for the game.
I however have yet to get the starter box, kind of regretting blowing all my money on the heresy stuff a little while back.
Gotta say, the dwarf team is my least favorite so far. They look the most AoSified and the one on the top left has weird stuff going on around his eyes. The NMM scheme certainly isn't doing the sculpts any good either. The linemen and blitzer at least look fairly decent though.
Since when did slayers wear helmets, let alone ones to guard their mohawks....thats how you know its AoS. Thats no troll slayer! its a fyreslayer !
And since when did having slayers on a team make sense at all?
They're supposed to be wandering loners, their oath making them effectively dead in the eyes of polite dwarf society; to a traditional dwarf, seeing a slayer is equivalent to seeing a corpse walking around.
Plus their sole goal in what remains of their lives is to absolve their mortal sins with a suitably glorious death.
Hanging out with your buddies, playing team sports, and accumulating fame is exactly what a dwarf shamed to the point of suicide should not be doing.
Or, in other words, the Blood Bowl universe runs on its own rules, with precious little recourse to the "rules" of the Old World.
As for the armour, I love it. It's exactly what a sports team made of dwarves should be wearing: perfectly fitted and engineered for maximum utility within the context of the sport.
Mr_Rose wrote: And since when did having slayers on a team make sense at all?
They're supposed to be wandering loners, their oath making them effectively dead in the eyes of polite dwarf society; to a traditional dwarf, seeing a slayer is equivalent to seeing a corpse walking around.
Plus their sole goal in what remains of their lives is to absolve their mortal sins with a suitably glorious death.
Hanging out with your buddies, playing team sports, and accumulating fame is exactly what a dwarf shamed to the point of suicide should not be doing.
Or, in other words, the Blood Bowl universe runs on its own rules, with precious little recourse to the "rules" of the Old World.
As for the armour, I love it. It's exactly what a sports team made of dwarves should be wearing: perfectly fitted and engineered for maximum utility within the context of the sport.
Really? Slayers are one of the most iconic images of Warhammer and since BB was always in its own lil' Warhammer universe it works that all these types of races fit. Some have rules: loner. Hell, Vampires play during sunny weather. But maybe you were just having a laugh.
On the topic of scale, it makes things quite difficult when trying to convert the doubled monopose miniatures, where do you get bits that fit correctly at that scale?
One of the great things about blood bowl was personalising your team using models or bits from the fantasy range.
I'm not sure who is sculpting the models, but the referees are guaranteed resin from FW. The dwarfs however are likely to be a plastic kit in the same format as the recent Skaven team.
Damn. Took a few looks to get used to the new Dwarf proportions (as a 90s dwarf player that favoured Marauder sculpts I'm used to a beard with boots, gloves and helmet stuck to it) but I think I really like these.
If the AoS Duardin are going to look like this I might be in trouble.
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Joyboozer wrote: On the topic of scale, it makes things quite difficult when trying to convert the doubled monopose miniatures, where do you get bits that fit correctly at that scale?
One of the great things about blood bowl was personalising your team using models or bits from the fantasy range.
I haven't opened my box yet but I assume the Orcs will still be easy enough. Not sure if you'd need to look at Brutes or if they are more black orc sized in terms of arms etc.
Humans you'd probably have to go with old marauders or the blood nouns. Sisters of silence might make a good base for female blitzers.
Dwarves are probably going to be the toughest initially as these look a significant step bigger than even the fairly recent armoured dwarf plastics.
I haven't opened my box yet but I assume the Orcs will still be easy enough. Not sure if you'd need to look at Brutes or if they are more black orc sized in terms of arms etc.
The New Orc Giants? :p
Nobz look like they'd be a reasonable approximation. In fantasy equivalents that's black orc sized with the brutes being a bit bigger, isn't it?
Im not really liking this new AoS style of blood bowl players, I was pretty hyped they were bringing it back but none of the new sculpts really do it for me.
“Hey, Jim, did you see the Full Beard Cup this weekend?”
“I’m afraid not, Bob. I’m sure I’ll catch the Cabalvision reruns, though. Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t ask us to commentate!”
“Yeah, they had a pair of namby-pamby humans instead. From the look of ’em, they’d never last a second on the pitch!”
“Well, not all of us are such naturals, Bob. Anyway, how was it to spectate for once?”
“It was real nice, Jim. And I’m telling you, there was some seriously dirty play. One team – Wood Elves, can you believe it – had ten players sent off over the weekend!”
“That’s an average of two per game… talk about filthy!”
“Yeah, the fans loved it, but the commissioners weren’t happy. I hear they’re recruiting some new referees!”
“Ooh, interesting. I imagine they’re going for big, strapping types like yourself, all the better to keep order?”
“Uh, well… I guess they don’t wanna spend that much gold…”
These fine referees will be available before Christmas. Check out all the latest pitch-side action over at Bloodbowl.com.
Anyone know if the size of the new human's hands are equivalent in size roughly to the older style Ork Boyz hands?
I don't care much for the new Orc Blood Bowl plastics, but think it might be fun to convert some of the humans into an Orc team using some Boyz heads and hands etc. The new Orks look a bit too schlubby with random bitz stuck on and more spikes than needed, but upscaled humans might be a good compromise with the older style heads and hands.
Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
Thanks guys, and yeah, I think the Marauders, Blood Reavers or Dwarves are probably better options. I think the older style Ork heads should be ok though. Might look a little bigger, but if I space out the waists and legs (and maybe even arms), it should come together as a much larger looking Orc player, which will be just fine.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
Would be nice to have a schedule though. I'm interested in Lizardmen, I have no idea when they'll be coming out or even if they'll be coming out and whether or not they'll be in plastic.
How long does it normally take to play a game of blood bowl? I played it years and years ago when it came out (20 years or so?) but can't really remember. Was looking for a game to pick up that plays quickly.
Anpu-adom wrote: My norse are made from Mauraders... had a spare 3rd ed human thrower who donated his hand to the norse thrower.
I've always thought that 40k boyz would make a great Blood Bowl team with a few modifications. Lots of them already have knuckle dusters, etc.
I'm currently building black orc blockers out of Orruk brutes and mangling the duplicate orc models in the starter set to make my boyz look unique. The existing blockers are just a smidge smaller than the brutes but with the right paint apps will look fine as blitzers.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
Would be nice to have a schedule though. I'm interested in Lizardmen, I have no idea when they'll be coming out or even if they'll be coming out and whether or not they'll be in plastic.
How long does it normally take to play a game of blood bowl? I played it years and years ago when it came out (20 years or so?) but can't really remember. Was looking for a game to pick up that plays quickly.
Sorry but GW doesn't believe in long term advance schedules We are lucky to have ANY hints from GW about future releases like they have started to have lately and even those aren't multi-month advance.
Also BB is still just SG for GW, not their main lines so they don't likely have that busy schedule as it is. They probably want to see how big success it is before deciding more. Remember how they said "if it sells we will produce more" new SG team has said? They wouldn't commit for huge release schedule without knowing does it sell.
Seems it does so hopeful there will be more teams(in resin though) in future.
AOS is their main game and THERE entire races are waiting for SOME idea when they get something.
Anpu-adom wrote: I've always thought that 40k boyz would make a great Blood Bowl team with a few modifications. Lots of them already have knuckle dusters, etc.
There's even some pefect heads availible from puppetswar
The GW ork boyz models are a tad big in comparasion with the old bloodbowl teams, but size-wise they'd fit in well with the newer bigger BB teams.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
Would be nice to have a schedule though. I'm interested in Lizardmen, I have no idea when they'll be coming out or even if they'll be coming out and whether or not they'll be in plastic.
How long does it normally take to play a game of blood bowl? I played it years and years ago when it came out (20 years or so?) but can't really remember. Was looking for a game to pick up that plays quickly.
Sorry but GW doesn't believe in long term advance schedules We are lucky to have ANY hints from GW about future releases like they have started to have lately and even those aren't multi-month advance.
Also BB is still just SG for GW, not their main lines so they don't likely have that busy schedule as it is. They probably want to see how big success it is before deciding more. Remember how they said "if it sells we will produce more" new SG team has said? They wouldn't commit for huge release schedule without knowing does it sell.
Seems it does so hopeful there will be more teams(in resin though) in future.
AOS is their main game and THERE entire races are waiting for SOME idea when they get something.
Skaven just got repackaged stuff, which is a shame because they could have used new Plague Monks.
( Or whatever they stupidly call them now )
Anyway Wood Elves under the Sylvaneth banner got new bits. Only whatever they call High and Dark needs stuff.
Though Technically the Dark Elf got that Assassin thing from Silver Tower.
I'm betting on there being some kind of Sigmarine / Stormhost Team in Dev so people don't forget that Warhammer is well and truly dead.
Fyreslayers could have done with a Start Collecting box then they have like 3? Boxes so maybe that's why they did not.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
Would be nice to have a schedule though. I'm interested in Lizardmen, I have no idea when they'll be coming out or even if they'll be coming out and whether or not they'll be in plastic.
How long does it normally take to play a game of blood bowl? I played it years and years ago when it came out (20 years or so?) but can't really remember. Was looking for a game to pick up that plays quickly.
Sorry but GW doesn't believe in long term advance schedules We are lucky to have ANY hints from GW about future releases like they have started to have lately and even those aren't multi-month advance.
I'm pretty sure they have a reasonably set schedule at least a few months in advance, they just don't tell us. They used to, they used to have previews in white dwarf of things that were still months away from release.
If there's plastics coming out any time in the next few months, they will have already been sculpted and be in the line ready for casting. Resins can have a faster turn around time but I reckon they'd still already know what they plan on releasing several months in advance.
EnTyme wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that they're releasing races too slowly? No one at my FLGS is diving in to BB, and we all have the same reason: The race/races I'm interested in playing aren't out yet.
Um it's been only released. If they were simultaneously releasing all there would be nothing to release soon!
Look at AOS for worse. Elf players have zero idea when they will get some new units or battletome! Even dwarves are still on waiting mode except for fyreslayers.
I don't expect a dozen teams at release, but three with one coming some two months later? I'd at least expect one "bruiser" team available at launch. Instead we got two middle-of-the-road/versatility teams and one speed team with a bruiser on stand-by.
What we have now has been done on a very short schedule and with a limited budget. It's a little experiment that might get further (plastic) support if demand is high enough.
We know about the 4 teams, we know there is an ogre coming
We have rumors of goblins and Nurgle in plastic iirc and a troll.
Then we have been told the others will come in resin eventually.
I apologise if this is apparent, but I haven't seen any concrete confirmation of it... But given the base game features a ball squig, and the Skaven team features some wonderful warp stone balls - are there rules for non-standard balls? Used to love a few of the variants released as a n optional rule in the last Edition's Deathblow volume. If so, that spcemebts the game as a must get, for me!
Are there any official rules in past editions for lizardmen or tomb kings? If so they aren't in the supplement book, but they do have teams for all elves, dwarves, etc.
I hope gw continues with their specialist games. Please gw give us a lizardmen team for blood bowl and a deathwing expansion for space hulk!!
455_PWR wrote: Are there any official rules in past editions for lizardmen or tomb kings? If so they aren't in the supplement book, but they do have teams for all elves, dwarves, etc.
I hope gw continues with their specialist games. Please gw give us a lizardmen team for blood bowl and a deathwing expansion for space hulk!!
Yes and Yes. Lizards have their own team, as do Tomb Kings under the name Khemri.
Rayvon wrote: I hope some of the Elves look better !
I am not going to hold breath while waiting for Elves. I realized that I had 12 unassembled Harlequins from Death Masque boxed set - they should make perfect Elven Union Team! I also bought another set of Human Team sprues and I intend to use extra Thrower and Catcher hands to give Elves some BALLS
I have too many team ideas at the moment! Tzaangor boxed set is released next weekend...
I went to my local GW, taking a selection of Orc heads with me to check the scale. Even though the Humans are larger than the ones before, they're definitely not big enough to put even the smallest Orc head on. I guess it's back to the drawing board for me
bound for glory wrote: I don't get theidea thatpeople don't want to get in a league because granny has'nt made their teams yet.
Go to ebay. All the teams are there..
Lizardmen team is ugly as a rat-ogres mother dipped in grease and set on fire.
Some may call that extreme, but compared to this, they make me gag. Even the Videogame models use current Sauras models and even make them look better.
I can convert, but i would definitely like new sculpts.
Vorian wrote: There's a link earlier in this thread to a pdf with all the rules for the teams not in deathzone or the starter
All of which can be found with the other Rules Errata on GW's website.
No rules for daemon teams?
Off-hand, I don't think there has ever been rules for daemon teams. I know the Rotters have a Beast of Nurgle as an option, but I think that is as far as it went.
*starts timer to see how long before someone proves him wrong about daemon teams*
Joyboozer wrote: I guess it might be a bit hard to do daemon teams these days given the new bloodthirster size.
As blood bowl is in its own world they can just come up with something say for example:-
Of all the Daemons of Khorne none can compare to the Bloodbasher while other fowl creatures collect skulls on the battlefield.
This unique creature is only ever seen on the fields of games of Bloodbowl, where they can collect skulls during Khorne's more sporting Arenas.
I wouldn't mind playing against them. Then again ill probably be waiting ages for a Tomb King Team.
Rayvon wrote: I hope some of the Elves look better !
I am not going to hold breath while waiting for Elves. I realized that I had 12 unassembled Harlequins from Death Masque boxed set - they should make perfect Elven Union Team! I also bought another set of Human Team sprues and I intend to use extra Thrower and Catcher hands to give Elves some BALLS
I have too many team ideas at the moment! Tzaangor boxed set is released next weekend...
Aye im currently trying to find some suitable Elves to turn into an Elf team at the minute, the harlequins is a good call !
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bound for glory wrote: I don't get theidea thatpeople don't want to get in a league because granny has'nt made their teams yet.
Go to ebay. All the teams are there..
The original old teams cost silly money nowadays.
Besides, Ive been using my teams for twenty odd years, getting a bit bored using the same minis and I will need some of grannys teams because i will be playing the game at her place a fair bit.
I am doing much the same, using a ton of different Harlequin, Eldar, and Dark Eldar bits to make a stack of different miniatures which can be used to field all 4 different Elf teams. Just interchange in and out the ones you need for whichever team and you're good to go
Speaking of conversions, anyone able to supply any pictures of the new plastic Blood Bowl Orcs next to some Orruk Brutes? Want to see how easily they could be converted to become Black Orcs. Also if anyone knows if the upper arm bit from a MegaNobz (the bit with the hydraulic piston attached) melds nicely with the shoulder area for the Orruk, I would be grateful to know that too
bound for glory wrote: I don't get theidea thatpeople don't want to get in a league because granny has'nt made their teams yet.
Go to ebay. All the teams are there..
Lizardmen team is ugly as a rat-ogres mother dipped in grease and set on fire.
Some may call that extreme, but compared to this, they make me gag. Even the Videogame models use current Sauras models and even make them look better.
I can convert, but i would definitely like new sculpts.
Yeah a lot of the teams have not aged well. The video game Lizardmen look awesome, I'd love it if they copied that aesthetic (Saurus look proper beefy in the video game unlike the GW Saurus models that look really weedy).
The thing that stops me converting is the hands. When you cut the weapon off a model it will always look like they're holding something and when you have 12 models all looking like they're supposed to be holding something it just looks a bit derpy.
I guess you could try and sculpt knuckle dusters on them or something.
Knuckle dusters are very easy. Either using plasticard or strips of partially cured greenstuff.
It's also not impossible to fix weapon hands, especially if the fingers completely close over to the palm. You would just partially drill out the top and bottom of where the weapon shaft was and then put back in some skin/scale creases with gs.
Whats keeping anyone from buying a 3rd ed metal team(GW made) and using that?
Mean to say, I don't get why not use those if you play at a GW store? I know by buying from ebay, the price per team is higher, but all the teams are there...And from what I've seen lately, the ebay prices are down a bit. I guess ebay sellers are thinking the older teams may be re cast by granny, so they are selling at lower prices.
plastictrees wrote: Knuckle dusters are very easy. Either using plasticard or strips of partially cured greenstuff.
It's also not impossible to fix weapon hands, especially if the fingers completely close over to the palm. You would just partially drill out the top and bottom of where the weapon shaft was and then put back in some skin/scale creases with gs.
Trigger fingers are a different issue.
I wouldn't say it's very easy, I'd say it's fiddly and difficult to get them to look like they were supposed to be there rather than stuck on by a primary school kid in arts and crafts. I rarely ever see good looking hands done by a anyone who doesn't already have a lot of experience with sculpting.
I've always thought that one of the third party manufacturers could make a killing by selling gesturing hand or arm sprues for converting Blood Bowl players – pointing, open palm, catching mitts, 'tactical gestures', knuckle dusters, and plain old balled fists would be great.
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In fact, thought I'd put those musing into action, and send Spellcrow an email to see if they have any plans for American-football orc hands/arms.
bound for glory wrote:Whats keeping anyone from buying a 3rd ed metal team(GW made) and using that?
Mean to say, I don't get why not use those if you play at a GW store? I know by buying from ebay, the price per team is higher, but all the teams are there...And from what I've seen lately, the ebay prices are down a bit. I guess ebay sellers are thinking the older teams may be re cast by granny, so they are selling at lower prices.
Nothing. Matter of fact, there's no reason that you can't play with converted GW figs... even at a GW event. In home leagues or non-GW store leagues it can really be anything goes!
Apologist wrote:I've always thought that one of the third party manufacturers could make a killing by selling gesturing hand or arm sprues for converting Blood Bowl players – pointing, open palm, catching mitts, 'tactical gestures', knuckle dusters, and plain old balled fists would be great.
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In fact, thought I'd put those musing into action, and send Spellcrow an email to see if they have any plans for American-football orc hands/arms.
Hands can be a bit of a problem, but as several others have mentioned you can swap or model stuff yourself. Scale is something that you need to worry about there (which is probably why 3rd party has largely avoided that market). Heads seem to be different though. Different scale heads don't seem to produce the same gut-wrongness that different scale hands do.
Apologist wrote: I've always thought that one of the third party manufacturers could make a killing by selling gesturing hand or arm sprues for converting Blood Bowl players – pointing, open palm, catching mitts, 'tactical gestures', knuckle dusters, and plain old balled fists would be great.
Apologist wrote: I've always thought that one of the third party manufacturers could make a killing by selling gesturing hand or arm sprues for converting Blood Bowl players – pointing, open palm, catching mitts, 'tactical gestures', knuckle dusters, and plain old balled fists would be great.
I just paid a 10 euros on eBay for plastic sprue including 3 balls, 4 right and 3 left handed knuckle dusters, 1 thrower hand, 1 cather hand, 3 open palms, 12 shoulder pads and 6 Blood Bowl helmets for base decoration. It is also known as "Human Team Sprue".
Apologist wrote: I've always thought that one of the third party manufacturers could make a killing by selling gesturing hand or arm sprues for converting Blood Bowl players – pointing, open palm, catching mitts, 'tactical gestures', knuckle dusters, and plain old balled fists would be great.
I just paid a 10 euros on eBay for plastic sprue including 3 balls, 4 right and 3 left handed knuckle dusters, 1 thrower hand, 1 cather hand, 3 open palms, 12 shoulder pads and 6 Blood Bowl helmets for base decoration. It is also known as "Human Team Sprue".
Yeah but where's the Lizardman, Goblin, Elf, etc versions?
Derp... I should have read that better. I genuinely thought someone was enterprising enough to make something like that to cast and sell.
I love the new Blood Bowl, and I love that it's revitalised the game, but man, I can't stand the amount of long spikes on fists that I am seeing. I am a sucker for the old style where it was mostly knuckle dusters at most unless it was a Star Player or the like. The new models look like they'd be injuring opposition players every time they connected, not just some of the time.
I am going to try a new tack with making my own BB Orc team now. Savage Orruk's for the Linemen/Thrower, where I can add stuff over their bare bodies if I need to, or leave their muscles showing; SO Boarboyz for Blitzer main bodies (their legs are really well defined as well, so would be great to convert them to running poses); and Ironjaw Orruk Brutes with armour sculpted over the top for Black Orc Blockers. Troll will be done up from a cheap Reaper Bones Troll, and Goblins/Star Players I will likely see what I think when GW/FW release them.
Costs a bit more, but I get the team I fully want this way. I am very interested to see whether they do plastic to beef up the three current teams, or if all of that is going to go to FW for them to come up with a few small designs here and there.
The snow pitch sold out overnight before I could buy it, same thing happened with the skaven dice. Consider me...a bit frustrated. I'm highly annoyed GW keeps releasing apparently limited quantities of a product that would obviously sell so well. I feel like people are buying 5-10 of these and are gonna load em up on ebay for 100 bucks each. If GW plans on doing this limited joke for every new style of pitch they release then I guess I can forget about getting any of them.
Thargrim wrote: The snow pitch sold out overnight before I could buy it, same thing happened with the skaven dice. Consider me...a bit frustrated. I'm highly annoyed GW keeps releasing apparently limited quantities of a product that would obviously sell so well. I feel like people are buying 5-10 of these and are gonna load em up on ebay for 100 bucks each. If GW plans on doing this limited joke for every new style of pitch they release then I guess I can forget about getting any of them.
Our FGS got in extra dice sets - but no skaven teams, go figure--- so I picked up extra (will use one set as my Orc dice).
Just listed it on the trade forums. Looking for either a ten-man mark III squad from Prospero or a single complete sprue (6 miniatures, balls, etc.), bases and blue dice of the new BB humans.
Fenriswulf wrote: I love the new Blood Bowl, and I love that it's revitalised the game, but man, I can't stand the amount of long spikes on fists that I am seeing. I am a sucker for the old style where it was mostly knuckle dusters at most unless it was a Star Player or the like. The new models look like they'd be injuring opposition players every time they connected, not just some of the time.
Yeah it is a bit silly.
Aside from looking silly it also makes different types of players indistinguishable from each other.
"Which one's the Blitzer?"
"The one with spikes"
"They all have spikes...."
It seems the only distinguishing feature of a human blitzer is the size of the crest on the helmet and for an Orc blitzer it's just that he's running compared to the linemen who are standing?
Yeah I know. 2nd ed I really loved as each of the models were easily distinguishable. You're absolutely right about the spikes. I only learnt which model was the blitzer by checking ebay sales for miniatures which listed the card as well as the figure. I had initially thought some of the the linemen were the blitzers. Same with the Orcs as well, as you note. Which is why I am on a mission to convert my own.
Yeah, given they don't give you enough blitzers to make a good team anyway, I'm thinking I'll just hack the spikes off any model that I want to call a lineman (so it looks like they have knuckle dusters) and leave the spikes on any model I want to call a blitzer.
Hopefully they'll look a little bit less crazy then.
EDIT: Though the spike-handles are pretty chunky, they might look too derpy if you hack the spikes off, hmm, I dunno.
Fenriswulf wrote: I love the new Blood Bowl, and I love that it's revitalised the game, but man, I can't stand the amount of long spikes on fists that I am seeing. I am a sucker for the old style where it was mostly knuckle dusters at most unless it was a Star Player or the like. The new models look like they'd be injuring opposition players every time they connected, not just some of the time.
Yeah it is a bit silly.
Aside from looking silly it also makes different types of players indistinguishable from each other.
"Which one's the Blitzer?"
"The one with spikes"
"They all have spikes...."
It seems the only distinguishing feature of a human blitzer is the size of the crest on the helmet and for an Orc blitzer it's just that he's running compared to the linemen who are standing?
To be fair, I've seen that issue with a number of third party teams too, Black Scorpion's Skaven for example.
Unpainted the similarity is particularly bad. I ended up giving up on the boxed Orc team, and just immediately started converting Black Orc Blockers from a box of Orruk Brutes i'd been sitting on. The increased size is the one thing that makes them read differently at a glance.
I was glad to note that Morg 'n' Thorg's team affiliations was sorted out in Death Zone - just makes it even odder they'd print the card in the boxed game with him restricted to Human & Orc teams...
Interesting. I had not heard of this before, but it sounds like a good idea. I looked up on the NAF website for those interested:
There is the 2nd Edition standard for colour coding bases – red blitzers, green blockers, white throwers, grey/black linemen, yellow catchers. There are variation to this, but that is the standard.
The one thing that disappointed me is that the Skaven team didn't come with team cards or any special play cards specific to the team. That's one lesson Privateer Press and Wyrd learned early on. I wish GW would get in on it.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Unpainted the similarity is particularly bad. I ended up giving up on the boxed Orc team, and just immediately started converting Black Orc Blockers from a box of Orruk Brutes i'd been sitting on. The increased size is the one thing that makes them read differently at a glance.
I'd love to see a size comparison between the Brutes and the BB Orcs. I did consider using Brutes as Blorcs but I thought they might be a bit too big.
No photos on hand, but i'd say they're about 20% bigger. Enough to clearly look different at a glance, but not so much to look out of place. Likewise, if you sacrifice one Brute, you can make four Brutes with wide-open hands, or just holding a severed head, for flavor. ;-)
Definitely bigger.
The old metal models look a bit garbage. All of them.
Agreed, it's one of the biggest reasons I never played BB in past editions but bought this one, all the models looked either too goofy or just badly sculpted. Between the now awesome plastics and the great 3rd party teams that have popped up since GW killed Specialist games, there's some REALLY great options for fielding great looking teams now
Somebody on the facebook BB group posted comparison photos
I don't know.. the snow pitch has been acting strange on the site, saturday morning for a few hours it was shown as sold out. Then it was back again, and on the US store still shows as being available right now. After I had a tantrum I luckily managed to get one ordered.
I don't know if this is good or bad, on one hand if it did sell out that shows demand for alternate pitch styles. Which would probably lead to us getting a guaranteed skaven/dwarf one and maybe a astrogranite/stone cobble variant. So I do hope that this sells well.
Thargrim wrote: I don't know if this is good or bad, on one hand if it did sell out that shows demand for alternate pitch styles. Which would probably lead to us getting a guaranteed skaven/dwarf one and maybe a astrogranite/stone cobble variant. So I do hope that this sells well.
It's possible people are buying the snow pitch to avoid buying the boxed set then just using the free living rulebook. I strongly considered doing that but ended up grabbing the boxed set to try and get a group started.
It did sell out on the us site after two hours on saturday. I emailed gw and inquired if there was a way I could get a copy of the snow map from gw as it was available worldwide and sold out in the usa.
I got an email this morning that said, it's back in stock briefly in the usa... get it while you can. Needless to say I bought one promptly. I'm assuming blood bowl will be like space hulk. I'm assuming it will be made in limited runs (10k at a time?) and only released again in future runs if it sells well enough.
Luckily space hulk has been released three times now as it's popular. Blood bowl is also insanely popular... so I'm sure it and it's expansions will be available for a while (or remade in the future)
Requizen wrote: I kind of want to put together a Nurgle team for my FLGS's upcoming league. Is it reasonable to conver them out of Blightkings or are they too big?
Nah they are about the right size, so long as the base fits in the squares of the new pitch you won't have to worry about bases overlapping. Then you could use plaguebearers in plastic with gor heads as pestigors if you want to get heavy into converting. IMO using plaguebeaers as stand ins without conversion wouldn't be too bad anyway. Only thing is the rotters...the old zombie models are certainly a bit outdated but i've seen people use those with armored head swaps.
Requizen wrote: I kind of want to put together a Nurgle team for my FLGS's upcoming league. Is it reasonable to conver them out of Blightkings or are they too big?
That's a terrible idea
These are my Blightkings plaguebearer conversions for my Daemonic BB team.
The full team.
1rotspawn
4bloaters
4pestigors
8rotters
7tokens
Definitely bigger.
The old metal models look a bit garbage. All of them.
Agreed, it's one of the biggest reasons I never played BB in past editions but bought this one, all the models looked either too goofy or just badly sculpted. Between the now awesome plastics and the great 3rd party teams that have popped up since GW killed Specialist games, there's some REALLY great options for fielding great looking teams now
Somebody on the facebook BB group posted comparison photos
Definitely bigger.
The old metal models look a bit garbage. All of them.
Agreed, it's one of the biggest reasons I never played BB in past editions but bought this one, all the models looked either too goofy or just badly sculpted. Between the now awesome plastics and the great 3rd party teams that have popped up since GW killed Specialist games, there's some REALLY great options for fielding great looking teams now.
The 2nd Ed Orcs were the first set of miniatures I ever owned, and I still feel quite nostalgic for them. Sure they might not hold up as well to modern miniatures, but there is an undeniable charm to them, especially when you consider they were made in the late 80's/early 90's, before sculpting and molding/casting technology started to make some really great strides in what was able to be accomplished.
I might do a few mods to the team I am putting together to see if I can pay homage to a bit of this style. I always liked the Black Orc Blocker's spiked shoulderpad, and a lot of the chainmail styles on them.
Requizen wrote: I kind of want to put together a Nurgle team for my FLGS's upcoming league. Is it reasonable to conver them out of Blightkings or are they too big?
That's a terrible idea
These are my Blightkings plaguebearer conversions for my Daemonic BB team.
The full team.
1rotspawn
4bloaters
4pestigors
8rotters
7tokens
Not sure about the long term durability of the boxset pitch, slight peeling of the paper from the cardboard backing as I unfolded it today, think I'll have to look into getting a mousematt replacement version at some point.
Definitely bigger.
The old metal models look a bit garbage. All of them.
Agreed, it's one of the biggest reasons I never played BB in past editions but bought this one, all the models looked either too goofy or just badly sculpted. Between the now awesome plastics and the great 3rd party teams that have popped up since GW killed Specialist games, there's some REALLY great options for fielding great looking teams now.
The 2nd Ed Orcs were the first set of miniatures I ever owned, and I still feel quite nostalgic for them. Sure they might not hold up as well to modern miniatures, but there is an undeniable charm to them, especially when you consider they were made in the late 80's/early 90's, before sculpting and molding/casting technology started to make some really great strides in what was able to be accomplished.
I might do a few mods to the team I am putting together to see if I can pay homage to a bit of this style. I always liked the Black Orc Blocker's spiked shoulderpad, and a lot of the chainmail styles on them.
Agreed. And the 2nd ed Skaven are the best Blood Bowl figures Granny ever produced. Fact.
Too bad this bigger size leaves no room for scatter direction, turn marker, re-rolls, dug-outs, kick-off and weather tables.
Edit: They do however sell individual separate dugouts and have 9 different designs already! PVC/Mousemat What is GW's excuse? 3 designs, cardboard and partially limited/sold out?
Yeah, I will likely be getting a custom mat from Deep Cut Studios sometime in the future. I want to make a carrying case/pitch, with the mat in the center and the dugouts and score related items on both sides. Since we've gone to the new size, you'd more than likely be sitting at the board side on compared to lengthways in any case, so the set up would be beneficial to both.
Just wondering on peoples opinions - Since we have moved to the new bigger sized pitch, is 34mm per square enough for most big guys, or would going to 40mm be an even better idea?
Just wondering, as it would be an interesting thing to look into. Might be a bit much to carry around if I were to make it into a case though. How are you guys finding the new pitch sizes for yourselves? Is 34mm good enough, or did you find yourself a little wanting now they've increased the miniature size as well?
Too bad this bigger size leaves no room for scatter direction, turn marker, re-rolls, dug-outs, kick-off and weather tables.
I actually prefer that. i would rather the board be as small as possible for ease of play at different venues with seperate dug outs.
Also the GW dug outs are waaay too big, I have custom ones I made a few years ago that are nice and slim line and are abuot half the size of the GW ones.
Not throwing printed cardboard into a plastic bag with miniature case through rain and snow.
Could print one out and laminate it. Makes it more durable especially when there are drinks around or playing in pubs plus they are generally more efficient than the standard one (who needs a turn tracker for each half? not hard to remember which half you are playing )
Nice, didn't know that! I'm only just getting into BB. I'd feel sorta lame using it on a non-snowy map though.
Blizzard is a result on the standard weather chart along with sweltering heat, pouring rain and very sunny. You cant represent all weather on a board or miniature especially when it can change at ever kickoff
Forgeworld wrote:Now, for a limited time, you can get your own referees to oversee your games of Blood Bowl and make sure that everything is above board... or at least that the appropriate bribes are paid. These referees are wonderful collector’s pieces that can be used to help remind you that the fouling rule is in play, or to call that game changing Illegal Procedure! Additional rules for using these referees in your games can be found in the January issue of White Dwarf.
Too bad this bigger size leaves no room for scatter direction, turn marker, re-rolls, dug-outs, kick-off and weather tables.
Edit: They do however sell individual separate dugouts and have 9 different designs already! PVC/Mousemat What is GW's excuse? 3 designs, cardboard and partially limited/sold out?
GW really should have tried to jump on the mousemat style board for BB. It makes a lot of sense because you're constantly knocking models over so you want a soft surface that isn't going to scratch paintwork.
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Joyboozer wrote: We need star players, we need new teams. We get miniatures that have absolutely no use.
I think GW missed the mark a bit on this release. Overall it's a really nice release, but they've treated it like a brand new game with a brand new concept, rather than the existing game that a bunch of other companies are making competing models for. Granted it's going to hurt themselves rather the customers, but still a missed opportunity IMO.
Forgeworld wrote:Now, for a limited time, you can get your own referees to oversee your games of Blood Bowl and make sure that everything is above board... or at least that the appropriate bribes are paid. These referees are wonderful collector’s pieces that can be used to help remind you that the fouling rule is in play, or to call that game changing Illegal Procedure! Additional rules for using these referees in your games can be found in the January issue of White Dwarf.
Rules for Refs? Nice.
I hope they don't add too much rules bloat to BB, part of what I like about BB is the simplicity.
AllSeeingSkink wrote:I hope they don't add too much rules bloat to BB, part of what I like about BB is the simplicity.
I too hope it's nothing too much. Maybe a small chart here or there, maybe the ref on the field instead of on the sidelines somewhere? Could be interesting. Won't really know until Jan.
I'm thinking the rules for refs will just replace the current 'caught on doubles' rules with the old 'caught on a roll of 6, +2 if you were the last player to foul because the ref has his eyes on you' rules for fouling.
Not bad, though I bought the GW version which I quite like. GW just need to get off their arses and make a couple more Gutter Runners and a Rat Ogre.
Use the Rat Ogre from the IoB box. You don't even need to do any conversion work.
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I figured that guy looked too bulky for BB. Like you put him in a line of scrimmage and you won't fit any models in the surrounding squares. Maybe not, hard to tell from pictures.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: I figured that guy looked too bulky for BB. Like you put him in a line of scrimmage and you won't fit any models in the surrounding squares. Maybe not, hard to tell from pictures.
Always best to avoid bases overlapping the squares. It's ok in the picture but if more than one big-guy starts to tangle, things can get a bit crowded if they all have overlapping bases.
Especially considering you might want to play on a older pitch with 30mm squares.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I figured that guy looked too bulky for BB. Like you put him in a line of scrimmage and you won't fit any models in the surrounding squares. Maybe not, hard to tell from pictures.
Judge for yourself.
Thanks for taking a pic! It does help.
It looks ok from that pic, I *really* dislike my models banging in to each other and I think it'll be a bit squishy when you line him up against something like a Kroxigor flanked by Saurus.
If a cheap one pops up I might grab it anyway to see.
He'll fit but I didn't really like it as well as the 40mm. Besides, overlap is miniscule with the new boards so I wouldn't worry about it. Also, it looks like teams currently only have one "big" guy available to them (other than star players) so it's not like the board will be crowded with them.
Do we have any 'confirmed' list of plastic releases? I'm assuming the dwarves are for sure based on the leaked pics.
The only other teams mentioned so far are Nurgle and 'Elves' (Union?) correct?
He'll fit but I didn't really like it as well as the 40mm. Besides, overlap is miniscule with the new boards so I wouldn't worry about it. Also, it looks like teams currently only have one "big" guy available to them (other than star players) so it's not like the board will be crowded with them.
Ogres have four or more Big Guys. A Chaos Pact team will likely have two Big Guys, as will a Goblin or a Halfling team.
All the more reason to make your own 40mm pitch. 40mm is best mm
Do we have any 'confirmed' list of plastic releases? I'm assuming the dwarves are for sure based on the leaked pics.
The only other teams mentioned so far are Nurgle and 'Elves' (Union?) correct?
Not too sure about confirmed, but I read some stuff on boardgamegeek and thenaf about plastic goblins, resin secret weapons and halflings (which would be easier to produce considering there is only one kind of halfling...a halfling.)
Nurgle and Elves were shown in the concept art. Based on the art they look like pro/elven union with the cyber elf look (which I prefer over the standard tolkienesque elves).
Regardless there aren't any more significant releases coming this month as far as I can tell, gonna have to see what january brings.
Vorian wrote:I actually tracked down the twitch show, the only real thing of note was that the big guys will be on the same size of base as everyone else.
That is good, a bit interesting though. I have a hard time seeing ogres and trolls on 32mm. They likely won't have room on the base to breathe or have a lot of foot room.
Do we have any 'confirmed' list of plastic releases? I'm assuming the dwarves are for sure based on the leaked pics.
The only other teams mentioned so far are Nurgle and 'Elves' (Union?) correct?
The only thing we have actually know are the dwarfs and that there's an Ogre on the way.
Reports back from things like open days seem to conflict with each other, so nothing is really certain.
They did confirm yesterday that they intend to make a model of every star player they release rules for - and they mentioned that season 2 is in development at the moment.
The whole point with big guys was that they would be difficult to use in a small grid?
I've played for years like this and finished every game.
What would the maximum possible amount of big guys in one game be? At least 12 if you have 2 ogre teams against each other. Don't know if there are any additional star players with big bases available to them.
Seems like GW is pretty much giving out the already rules, stats and prices for teams and star players. Except in a slow pace. Originally there were long lists of star players, but in season one there's only a small collection. Will they ever catch up, or how long time could it take?
How many star players will we lose in GW's version?
Maybe it will be no problem to keep using previous star players since the rules haven't changed much.
Do we have any 'confirmed' list of plastic releases? I'm assuming the dwarves are for sure based on the leaked pics.
The only other teams mentioned so far are Nurgle and 'Elves' (Union?) correct?
The only thing we have actually know are the dwarfs and that there's an Ogre on the way.
Reports back from things like open days seem to conflict with each other, so nothing is really certain.
They did confirm yesterday that they intend to make a model of every star player they release rules for - and they mentioned that season 2 is in development at the moment.
I'm curious to see the new dwarfs.
The ogre will fit into the human team. How about the skaven team?
The 40mm bases fit perfectly fine on the new board anyway, Sauron is currently having a run out as a troll for my brothers orcs and he doesn't really get in the way.
I'm sure they're will be very many star players over the years, I wouldn't worry about it.
The dwarfs can be seen already, on the app, on the first page of this thread. The Ogre will probably not be able to play for the Skaven - the twitch show actually mentioned the island of blood Rat Ogre as a stop gap too (they couldn't remember what it had been renamed to which gave me a chuckle)
I remember in the BB2 game a gyrocopter or something crashed on the field (use the scatter template to randomly place it on the board), and it blocked off some movement squares. If you got pushed into it, your unit gets KO'd (presumably because it was still spinning). I hope there is something like that in there. Stuff like this is a great opportunity to create scenery and custom make little stuff for use in the game so i'll probably buy it, I want to support further development of the game and its models.
They look alright I suppose, a bit too spiky for my liking and they have the horrible hands syndrome you get when you chop the weapons off a model, instead of looking empty handed it just looks like a model with its weapon chopped off.
If you wanted you could buy the Deathrunners alongside a 2nd box of Skavenblight Scramblers and use some of the spare hands on the Deathrunners.
I'm going to wait a bit before I do anything like that though, GW may turn around and release new figures themselves and the professional sculptors at GW can usually do a better job than me
The deathrunner is a good model, but IMO its an AoS invention and not really the best representation of a classic gutter runner. For me gutter runners are lightly armored, cloaked and sneaky. If I was going to use the deathrunner, i'd probably leave the sword. As they sneak weapons onto the field anyway, plus the closed fist syndrome is not something i'm gonna tolerate on my models. If you want some variety in your force they are a decent option though, beats having four duplicate gutter runners.
AllvSeeingSkink wrote: ...they have the horrible hands syndrome you get when you chop the weapons off a model, instead of looking empty handed it just looks like a model with its weapon chopped off...
I know what you mean.
This was a quick photo to show size for those interested.
When I get around to doing this team, I will hollow out the hand by removing some plastic to create a empty hand grip.
Like I did with these guys when I removed their swords and axes.
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It won't be perfect but IMO better than 4 identical gutterrunners.
Thargrim wrote: The deathrunner is a good model, but IMO its an AoS invention and not really the best representation of a classic gutter runner. For me gutter runners are lightly armored, cloaked and sneaky. If I was going to use the deathrunner, i'd probably leave the sword. As they sneak weapons onto the field anyway, plus the closed fist syndrome is not something i'm gonna tolerate on my models. If you want some variety in your force they are a decent option though, beats having four duplicate gutter runners.
I think that's probably what I don't like about the Deathrunner, looks like an AoS version of a Skaven
At the moment I'm happy with 2 Gutter Runners anyway, so I can wait and see if GW or FW come up with an alternative (though I'd worry about those long tails in resin).
2 Gutter Runners + Thrower + 2 Storm Vermin + 7 Linemen + 4 rerolls seems like a decent team to me. So I actually need an extra lineman, lol.
When I get around to doing this team, I will hollow out the hand by removing some plastic to create a empty hand grip.
Like I did with these guys when I removed their swords and axes.
The hole in the hand looks better but still a bit weird, the thumb is in the wrong place and people tend not to tuck their fingers in to their palm unless they're forming a fist but then if they're punching they shouldn't have the hole. So it just ends up looking like they should be holding the haft of something.
Wouldn't using a strip of green stuff and some small ball bearings or bits of plasticard to make knuckle dusters or punch daggers work better than an empty hand?
BB really shines at league play. If you can't find players the Internet can help with that. But I'm glad to see so man you leagues already cropping up.
Huh?
They call them 
