Trollbert wrote: Is this a missprint in the german version or are lasher tendrils on maulerfiends really 6 attacks instead of D6?
No idea, none of the CSM codex reviews have mentioned Maulerfiends.
Then you heard it here first I guess.
Hmmm, is 6 extra S6 attacks enough to make up for the poor weapon skill?
For 1 CP you get the reroll all failed to hits and to wounds in either the melee or shooting phase.
That makes them pretty impressive. And the are 20 points cheaper than the magma cutters (on which the stratagem is wasted).
Well versus T7/8 vehicles with a 3+ you'd get 6.7 wounds with the fists and 3.3 damage from the tendrils for a total of 10 damage. That likely won't destroy quite a lot of vehicles and that damage done is only true if the Mauler isn't damaged before it gets into cc.
The Chaos Decimator on the other hand does an average of 11.9 damage in cc, has two Hellflamers to fire as well and does that whilst being cheaper and without a deteriorating movement, strength and attacks. Only down side on the Decimator is 4 less wounds.
Trollbert wrote: Is this a missprint in the german version or are lasher tendrils on maulerfiends really 6 attacks instead of D6?
No idea, none of the CSM codex reviews have mentioned Maulerfiends.
Then you heard it here first I guess.
Hmmm, is 6 extra S6 attacks enough to make up for the poor weapon skill?
For 1 CP you get the reroll all failed to hits and to wounds in either the melee or shooting phase.
That makes them pretty impressive. And the are 20 points cheaper than the magma cutters (on which the stratagem is wasted).
Well versus T7/8 vehicles with a 3+ you'd get 6.7 wounds with the fists and 3.3 damage from the tendrils for a total of 10 damage. That likely won't destroy quite a lot of vehicles and that damage done is only true if the Mauler isn't damaged before it gets into cc.
The Chaos Decimator on the other hand does an average of 11.9 damage in cc, has two Hellflamers to fire as well and does that whilst being cheaper and without a deteriorating movement, strength and attacks. Only down side on the Decimator is 4 less wounds.
Skullhammer wrote: Anyone got a round up of the twich? I missed it earlier.
Confirmed that cult units can't be taken as troops in the new codex, we can still take mounted Lords but no confirmation on whether they are supposed to get Legion tactics and that's about it. most of it was just talking about stuff that's already been leaked but they assumed we hadn't seen yet.
Skullhammer wrote: Anyone got a round up of the twich? I missed it earlier.
Confirmed that cult units can't be taken as troops in the new codex, we can still take mounted Lords but no confirmation on whether they are supposed to get Legion tactics and that's about it. most of it was just talking about stuff that's already been leaked but they assumed we hadn't seen yet.
What was the context of the question ? Because asking if they are troops in the codex and can you still take them as troops could provide different answers based on if the datasheet in the indexes are still legal.
Skullhammer wrote: Anyone got a round up of the twich? I missed it earlier.
Confirmed that cult units can't be taken as troops in the new codex, we can still take mounted Lords but no confirmation on whether they are supposed to get Legion tactics and that's about it. most of it was just talking about stuff that's already been leaked but they assumed we hadn't seen yet.
What was the context of the question ? Are cult marines still troops in the codex or can they still be troops ?
All I remember was them saying that now cult units are elites, it was even asked why World Eaters couldn't take Zerkers as elites any more and they said it was because Zerkers are elite units. Split the chat quite a bit.
It seems like we know everything about the codex by now.
Almost every unit that was obviously bad got buffed somehow.
Which unit do you think did get the short end of the stick?
IMO it's the Warp Talons. They still have the same problems they had in 7th:
They are far too expensive for what they can do offensively and they are not really durable as well. The only thing the codex gives them over the index is a 1-point reduction because lightning claws are cheaper now.
But 5 of them are still 135 points for 11 attacks with lighting claws. As World Eaters they can get 16 attacks for 5 guys, but Terminators just seem to do the job better, as they have more base attacks, have better chances to make the charge from deepstriking (Termis can take the Khorne icon, Talons can't) and are much tougher.
For about 220 points, you get 5 terminators with pairs of lighting claws (16 attacks, 10 W, 2+/5++) or 8 warp talons (17 attacks , 8 W, 3+/5++).
The anti-overwatch ability is not that good either.
Did GW feth up or is there a way to use them effectively?
demontalons wrote: Someone who has the codex is it true that aspiring sorceror Aren't in the points section? Much like sergeants and aspiring champions aren't?
Correct, but they were not in the index either. You don't pay special points for a squad sergeant, only possibly their items.
As a side note, Except Adaddon and Bile, every single other chaos unit in the table on contents if wrong. for example, Contents says Exalted champ is on page 125, turn to page 125 and its sorc and sorc in termie armor. Quality control at its best!
demontalons wrote: Someone who has the codex is it true that aspiring sorceror Aren't in the points section? Much like sergeants and aspiring champions aren't?
Correct, but they were not in the index either. You don't pay special points for a squad sergeant, only possibly their items.
Rubrics did pay special points for their aspiring sorcerer, they were listed in the index at a separate price point. Without wargear, it was 18 for a standard rubric 30 for the aspiring sorcerer. Same thing with scarab occult terminators, their scarab sorcerer cost more than the standard scarab termies.
demontalons wrote: Someone who has the codex is it true that aspiring sorceror Aren't in the points section? Much like sergeants and aspiring champions aren't?
Correct, but they were not in the index either. You don't pay special points for a squad sergeant, only possibly their items.
Rubrics did pay special points for their aspiring sorcerer, they were listed in the index at a separate price point. Without wargear, it was 18 for a standard rubric 30 for the aspiring sorcerer. Same thing with scarab occult terminators, their scarab sorcerer cost more than the standard scarab termies.
My bad, I missed them. You just have to use the index for the points for them and the codex for now for rubric points.
demontalons wrote: Someone who has the codex is it true that aspiring sorceror Aren't in the points section? Much like sergeants and aspiring champions aren't?
Correct, but they were not in the index either. You don't pay special points for a squad sergeant, only possibly their items.
Rubrics did pay special points for their aspiring sorcerer, they were listed in the index at a separate price point. Without wargear, it was 18 for a standard rubric 30 for the aspiring sorcerer. Same thing with scarab occult terminators, their scarab sorcerer cost more than the standard scarab termies.
My bad, I missed them. You just have to use the index for the points for them and the codex for now for rubric points.
I wonder maybe if they changed it so that aspiring sorcerers are treated like every other squad sergeant now and cost the same as regular rubrics + wargear.
Trollbert wrote: It seems like we know everything about the codex by now.
Almost every unit that was obviously bad got buffed somehow.
Which unit do you think did get the short end of the stick?
IMO it's the Warp Talons. They still have the same problems they had in 7th:
They are far too expensive for what they can do offensively and they are not really durable as well. The only thing the codex gives them over the index is a 1-point reduction because lightning claws are cheaper now.
But 5 of them are still 135 points for 11 attacks with lighting claws. As World Eaters they can get 16 attacks for 5 guys, but Terminators just seem to do the job better, as they have more base attacks, have better chances to make the charge from deepstriking (Termis can take the Khorne icon, Talons can't) and are much tougher.
For about 220 points, you get 5 terminators with pairs of lighting claws (16 attacks, 10 W, 2+/5++) or 8 warp talons (17 attacks , 8 W, 3+/5++).
The anti-overwatch ability is not that good either.
Did GW feth up or is there a way to use them effectively?
Dont deep strike them use WT on them and get an easy turn 1 charge off
I wonder maybe if they changed it so that aspiring sorcerers are treated like every other squad sergeant now and cost the same as regular rubrics + wargear.
I wish. There is no way they would do that. They expect our uber slow unit that pays a bunch of extra points for a CC orientated Sgt. To get within 7 inches in 2 turns and kill everything. Problem is everyone on the planet knows TS have an issue with movement. So they just back up out of 24" range and fire away.
The Limited Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex - what do you get with it over the standard Codex? Is it literally just the special cover, or is there extra artwork inside?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The Limited Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex - what do you get with it over the standard Codex? Is it literally just the special cover, or is there extra artwork inside?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The Limited Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex - what do you get with it over the standard Codex? Is it literally just the special cover, or is there extra artwork inside?
Indeed, seeing as the most broken things in the game were enabled by GW written units and models, FW is doing a damn good job. Stormraven spam, Guilliman + Razorbacks, Brimstone spam, Conscript spam, Basilisk/Manticore spam, Scion Plasma spam.
Yep, good job FW. Nothing you can do with their units comes even close of any of the above. No amount of counterarguments changes this as it has already been proven in practice in tournaments around the world, and that's the best evidence we got.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The Limited Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex - what do you get with it over the standard Codex? Is it literally just the special cover, or is there extra artwork inside?
macluvin wrote: They would make so much more money if they just stopped with the limited editiion crap…
no they wouldn't. unless they take a loss on producing the LE stuff the LE stuff is pure profit padding for them. most of us are quite happy to buy the standard codex I assume. the LE stuff is more aimed at collectors with money to burn. in cases like where they put out a LE of a book ages before the main book? yeah maybe. but... yeah I doubt it otherwise
Automatically Appended Next Post: on review of the codex now that I have it. it's good. the Legions are very much at the forefront of this edition, whereas in 4th and 6th they basicly shared the stage with the renegades. critics of them will proably be happy to know crimson slaughter are pretty much "just another rengeade war band"
I want to start a Night Lords army. I usually pick armies based on a cool gimmick or theme that you can do with them.
I picked my first 40K army, Raven Guard, because they had a cool gimmick: upgraded jump pack units, fleet, infiltrating special characters and Scouts and Outflanking. You could pull off Turn 1 Alpha Strikes, or attack from unexpected directions,
And Night Lords can do interesting things with Morale, stacking Morale debuffs using the Morale mechanics itself as a weapon. I'd use lots of Raptors, Bikers, Terminators, Rhinos, Heldrakes, Cultists, Vindicators etc. Anything fast or otherwise mobile.
Read through. Am still in shock at the disappearance of Cult Troops for WE and EC.
Also it seems that rather than allowing us to make 'successor' warbands GW's approach to Legion Traits is 'if you're not Legion X you must take Renegade by default.' Will be interesting to see how tournaments rule that - personally trying to decide whether my Death Guard will be sporting some IW Trait and Relic or possibly the Alpha Legion trait.....
Read through. Am still in shock at the disappearance of Cult Troops for WE and EC.
Also it seems that rather than allowing us to make 'successor' warbands GW's approach to Legion Traits is 'if you're not Legion X you must take Renegade by default.' Will be interesting to see how tournaments rule that - personally trying to decide whether my Death Guard will be sporting some IW Trait and Relic or possibly the Alpha Legion trait.....
What's to stop you using Legion tactics for your successors? Just call your army "The Warmaster's Comb Over" or whatever and give them all the BLACK LEGION keyword.
Read through. Am still in shock at the disappearance of Cult Troops for WE and EC.
Also it seems that rather than allowing us to make 'successor' warbands GW's approach to Legion Traits is 'if you're not Legion X you must take Renegade by default.' Will be interesting to see how tournaments rule that - personally trying to decide whether my Death Guard will be sporting some IW Trait and Relic or possibly the Alpha Legion trait.....
That can't really be enforced though, can it? Just run them mechanically as say World Eaters, but give them a unique name and colour scheme. There is no rule that a World Eaters army must be painted in official World Eaters colours.
Read through. Am still in shock at the disappearance of Cult Troops for WE and EC.
Also it seems that rather than allowing us to make 'successor' warbands GW's approach to Legion Traits is 'if you're not Legion X you must take Renegade by default.' Will be interesting to see how tournaments rule that - personally trying to decide whether my Death Guard will be sporting some IW Trait and Relic or possibly the Alpha Legion trait.....
Chaos legions have sub factions several are shown in the codex for black legion and there are a few mentioned, so if you're playing either a known sub faction like one of the ones listed for Black legion or own personal warband who are descended from one of the chaos legions I don't see many caring.
yeahthe renegades I see as more for "yeah these guys have no ties to any of the legions, and the legoions don't work for em so just use this" at the same time however if I'm running a chapter that was say... a renegade Imperial fists sucessor I would HOPE no one would object to my using the iron warriors tactics
I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)
Oldmike wrote: I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)
You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.
Yeah if DG/tsons don't get obj secured with plague marines/rubrics in their own armies I have no idea why you'd even take them. I mean, maybe if the DG terminators are godawful, but that's not a promising line of thought. With tsons we already know there is just a better version of rubrics sitting in that elite slot.
It'd be nice to just once not have a codex screw us over in some way. Just once GW. You were so close this time but you just couldn't fight back those old instincts to ruin at least something for CSM. Infuriating.
I suppose the only legion who really cares is EC. Zerkers aren't for sitting on objectives, but that's mostly what you'd use noise marines for with their range and various boosts that make charging and killing them dangerous to the attacking unit.
Oldmike wrote: I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)
You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.
Oldmike wrote: I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)
You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.
Where in the codex is this rule
Pg. 116, last paragraph of <Mark of Chaos> section.
It says "must have khorne keyword if they are able to", it doesn't disallow you from taking units which can't have the khorne keyword, such as plague marines, noise marines, or rubrics.
Is it an oversight? Probably. But who knows, they already bent the fluff over and really laid into it with the change to cult troops, so maybe rubric world eaters are fluffy now. Anything is possible given how little the game designers care.
Well just commenting on the quality of the Chaos Codex. I have to say I'm extremely impressed by the writing this time around. The Fluff was all good in my opinion, even the little quote blurbs were cool. I have to assume the had some of the Black Library writers help out as the writing is much improved.
I really like the rules as well. The troop issue is the only sore point for me but otherwise I'm satisfied with it.
I loved the bit where a Slaaneshi Warband cut all of the cybernetic out of some Ad Mech/Skitarii and replaced them with spawn and daemon bits. Why? Because cybernetic are an affront to the "Flesh" and thus a blasphemy against Slaanesh. Great stuff. Anything that pushes Slaanesh in the direction of Hellraiser is welcome in my book.
Also did we get a hint at a future Emperor's Children codex? The EC form a pact with Dark Mechanicum to create daemon engines equipped with sonic weapons. Also the Fleshlings of Sensoria which are the above with bionics replaced with "flesh". Which makes me think that when ever is comes our Poxwalker/Tzaangor equivalent will be some kind of haemoculi or other flesh-crafted gimps.
Sersi wrote: Well just commenting on the quality of the Chaos Codex. I have to say I'm extremely impressed by the writing this time around. The Fluff was all good in my opinion, even the little quote blurbs were cool. I have to assume the had some of the Black Library writers help out as the writing is much improved.
I really like the rules as well. The troop issue is the only sore point for me but otherwise I'm satisfied with it.
It feels a definate step up from the last codex. amusingly despite not introducing anything for chaos (well beynd exaulted champions) the codex feels less "phoned in" then the 6th edition one.
angel of death 007 wrote: Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.
Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.
angel of death 007 wrote: Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.
To be fair, 8th ed is a complete overhaul and they put themselves in a position where they want to get everyone on the same page with a codex as quickly as possible (oddly* right after getting everyone on the same page with an index).
Plus they're finally given the legions the attention they deserve, first with Thousand Sons and now Death Guard.
And finally they're still the (loyalist) Space Marine company. All of this combines to not having the production capacity to give everyone equal consideration when it comes to new models.
*It's not really odd - they're handing out free rules in codices again and throwing any pretense of balance overboard so a game codex against index is kind of pointless.
angel of death 007 wrote: Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.
Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.
What more do you want?
Just vanilla marines, chosen, terminators, possessed, havocs, obliterators, power armoured lord and sorceror, berzerkers, noise marines, etc. Just 90 percent of the range. A dark eldar type overhaul. The nurgle and tzeentch release was pretty awesome. But theres still the other 90 percent.
I really do think the end goal is to push for a big codex for Slaanesh and Khorne and let the basic CSM disappear. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack of generic CSM kits for the foreseeable future.
angel of death 007 wrote: Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.
Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.
What more do you want?
Something for CSM rather than something for the Death Guard faction.
IFC_Casting wrote: Makes sense, Plague Marines with Obsec would be hard to shift in mass.
DG Plague marines will have ObSec, and will definitely be in large amounts.
Elbows wrote: I really do think the end goal is to push for a big codex for Slaanesh and Khorne and let the basic CSM disappear. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack of generic CSM kits for the foreseeable future.
Oh, the Emperor's Children and World Eaters codices are definitely coming, eventually. But the base CSM Codex isn't going anywhere, it's primarily a Black Legion Codex. Just as the C:SM Codex is primarily Ultramarines. Basically, Chaos Marine books will have 5 books similar to Codex Space Marines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Grey Knights, etc.
Kirasu wrote: Then why in the world would you say such a thing? Some of those models are from the 90s so obviously there is no such thing as "`wait their turn".
Because, if you actually read what he wrote, he wanted certain things, obviously from a personal point of view but things others (like myself) would want to see, but at the expense of some of the Nurgle releases. It also plain pees me off and has done over the years, when people just moan about what THEY want. "I want MOAR things for MY army, I dont care about anyone else"
Like damn spoiled children
Kirasu wrote: Then why in the world would you say such a thing? Some of those models are from the 90s so obviously there is no such thing as "`wait their turn".
Because, if you actually read what he wrote, he wanted certain things, obviously from a personal point of view but things others (like myself) would want to see, but at the expense of some of the Nurgle releases. It also plain pees me off and has done over the years, when people just moan about what THEY want. "I want MOAR things for MY army, I dont care about anyone else" Like damn spoiled children
I'm wondering...are there any other SBG players in this thread reading these complaints and thinking..."Wow, 40K players in general are really whiney and self entitled".
You guys think you have it bad?
(disclaimer: I have been both a 40K and a LOTR/Hobbit SBG player, and though I don't play either of them currently I hope to play both games again in future. I like both games and always have).
Kirasu wrote: Then why in the world would you say such a thing? Some of those models are from the 90s so obviously there is no such thing as "`wait their turn".
Because, if you actually read what he wrote, he wanted certain things, obviously from a personal point of view but things others (like myself) would want to see, but at the expense of some of the Nurgle releases. It also plain pees me off and has done over the years, when people just moan about what THEY want. "I want MOAR things for MY army, I dont care about anyone else"
Like damn spoiled children
I'm wondering...are there any other SBG players in this thread reading these complaints and thinking..."Wow, 40K players in general are really whiney and self entitled".
You guys think you have it bad?
(disclaimer: I have been both a 40K and a LOTR/Hobbit SBG player, and though I don't play either of them currently I hope to play both games again in future. I like both games and always have).
Not just 40k but WFB as well back in the day. Its less the communities as a whole but a number of people who really are just plain selfish. The amount of releases games workshop has made over the last 5-10 years is staggering (including one off box games), and a lot of the more recent things have been models people have been waiting many years for. Weve seen GSC who pre-dated 2nd ed and AM who havent really had many releases at all (barring tech priests etc in Guard forces) being made into full armies. There will be releases of the units mentioned for Chaos, im pretty much certain of it. Nurgle/DG havent really had anything barring Typhus and some plastic metal hybrid deathguard for quite a while (im excluding daemons because theyve all had stuff in the last decade or so). I collect Chaos and would love to see plastic noise marines, new zerkers to replace my old ones and go with the new kharn, as well as Abaddon to lead them with a glorious new model befitting of his importance in the CSM background (just like Archaon in WFB/AoS). I wouldn't however begrudge another army, especially DG of releases
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: Because, if you actually read what he wrote, he wanted certain things, obviously from a personal point of view but things others (like myself) would want to see, but at the expense of some of the Nurgle releases. It also plain pees me off and has done over the years, when people just moan about what THEY want. "I want MOAR things for MY army, I dont care about anyone else"
Like damn spoiled children
You may want to look up the release dates for the latest nurgle stuff. You got fairly ...fresh... toys. But as soon as someone wants something else they are egotistical? Last time I checked nurgle was allowed to use havocs and obliterators so you would actually get something too. Please rethink your attitude. This is a hobby for all of us, not just me not just you. Thank you and have a nice day.
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: Because, if you actually read what he wrote, he wanted certain things, obviously from a personal point of view but things others (like myself) would want to see, but at the expense of some of the Nurgle releases. It also plain pees me off and has done over the years, when people just moan about what THEY want. "I want MOAR things for MY army, I dont care about anyone else"
Like damn spoiled children
You may want to look up the release dates for the latest nurgle stuff. You got fairly ...fresh... toys. But as soon as someone wants something else they are egotistical? Last time I checked nurgle was allowed to use havocs and obliterators so you would actually get something too. Please rethink your attitude. This is a hobby for all of us, not just me not just you. Thank you and have a nice day.
Please tell me, aside from the daemons (because all gods have had them) and the older nurgle havocs, typhus and hybrid plastic kits, what have deathguard/nurgle had? YOU said youd like to have seen Abaddon, new zerkers et al
"An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...
If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it."
'If that means less for the stimking spiky mariness so be it.....'
Im not talking about possibly shared units like Obilterators or havocs, you said that Nurgle should get less units in place of those that you mentioned. Im not putting words in your mouth and ive never said the hobby is all about me. I dot have an attitude, im merely pointing out your sense of entitlement to the detriment of Deathguard/Nurgle collecters/gamers Just be honest about it. Id love to see the units you mentioned in new plastic sets too, but I wouldnt want to see less new DG
Yeah they are, it was mentioned on the Warhammer community news. You can also take them in a detachment and not lose its benefits (having all khorne etc) or something along those lines
Please tell me, aside from the daemons (because all gods have had them) and the older nurgle havocs, typhus and hybrid plastic kits, what have deathguard/nurgle had? YOU said youd like to have seen Abaddon, new zerkers et al
Ok, so there was nothing in the latest base game?
'If that means less for the stimking spiky mariness so be it.....'
Yes some deficits are more severe than others. Again please except that nurgle has gotten its toys in the less distant past and is therefor of lower priority under the assumption that we want each faction and unit to be supported somewhat equally. If you don't give a damn about others then yeah of course they can wait. How long is fine for you?
Did you ever consider that maybe he doesn't care about Nurgle, or that there are a lot of people who choose not to have Death Guard armies, or that we're waiting on plastic Havocs/Oblits and/or a new CSM kit?
Please tell me, aside from the daemons (because all gods have had them) and the older nurgle havocs, typhus and hybrid plastic kits, what have deathguard/nurgle had? YOU said youd like to have seen Abaddon, new zerkers et al
Ok, so there was nothing in the latest base game?
'If that means less for the stimking spiky mariness so be it.....'
Yes some deficits are more severe than others. Again please except that nurgle has gotten its toys in the less distant past and is therefor of lower priority under the assumption that we want each faction and unit to be supported somewhat equally. If you don't give a damn about others then yeah of course they can wait. How long is fine for you?
Dont try and turn it around and pretend to be everyone elses 'hero'. It wont be long before the rest of chaos gets new stuff. The core game is this 'round' of nurgle and 'generic' chaos was lat ed Deathguard have literally just got some love in the form of the core box set, and will be having a codex release and supporting units soon. You specifically said that youd like to see other units in place of nurgle releases. Each faction/god will be supported. There is only so much GW can release at a time. Wait. Your. Turn
Did you ever consider that maybe he doesn't care about Nurgle, or that there are a lot of people who choose not to have Death Guard armies, or that we're waiting on plastic Havocs/Oblits and/or a new CSM kit?
Seriously. Call me crazy, but I think it's reasonable that you be able to build every army's core without going to hugely outdated models. Would it be nice for iconic but niche things like special characters and elites choices to stay current? Yeah. But I think priority should really be having staples up to date, so CSM can get contemporary marines and cultist command and weapons that aren't from a previous edition's starter box; eldar can have melee guardians that aren't five-edition-old conversion bits; sisters of battle can have any substantive release in like 6 editions (seriously, a GK-style SOB unit with a few extra weapon options could cover just about everything but seraphim and repentia easily).
Instead, plague marines, which already have pretty good resin kits and FW kits, are for some reason bumped to the top of the list.
Did you ever consider that maybe he doesn't care about Nurgle, or that there are a lot of people who choose not to have Death Guard armies, or that we're waiting on plastic Havocs/Oblits and/or a new CSM kit?
No, hes taslking about not getting new zerkers, oblits, havocs and noise marines. Theyll all come, its just that DG/nurgle is getting some love and some people are just too impatient. I say this as a collector of all the different gods, having just recently got the DI box set and added the DG to my forces, not having owned amy nurgle affiliated stuff before. Im genuinely happy that the DG are seeing some love and looking forwardto all the other upcoming chaos stuff
Did you ever consider that maybe he doesn't care about Nurgle, or that there are a lot of people who choose not to have Death Guard armies, or that we're waiting on plastic Havocs/Oblits and/or a new CSM kit?
No, hes taslking about not getting new zerkers, oblits, havocs and noise marines. Theyll all come, its just that DG/nurgle is getting some love and some people are just too impatient. I say this as a collector of all the different gods, having just recently got the DI box set and added the DG to my forces, not having owned amy nurgle affiliated stuff before. Im genuinely happy that the DG are seeing some love and looking forwardto all the other upcoming chaos stuff
I think complaining about not getting an update of one of the cult troops already IN PLASTIC when GW instead is updating cult troops that where in resin before is just silly. I'm mroe of a Khorne guy then a Emps children guy, but lemme tell you I HOPE we see plastic noise marines before we see plastic bezerkers. this isn't to say I'd not mind updated bezerkers but we at least have a plastic option for them
Emperor's Children and World Eaters haven't. I imagine that is when Noise Marines and Berzerkers will be updated.
Both of those could be the basis of interesting Warzones- Emperor's Children/Slaanesh paired with various Eldar as a themed release, and World Eaters with Angron vs IG and Orks on Armageddon IV
By the time the rest of chaos gets its turn I will have spent my gaming budget on 3rd party bits and have what I want. And have no need for their product. Also by that time space marines will have had several chapters revamped and a whole new codex worth of brand new units. I feel like gw is oversaturating the vanilla marine market.
macluvin wrote: By the time the rest of chaos gets its turn I will have spent my gaming budget on 3rd party bits and have what I want. And have no need for their product. Also by that time space marines will have had several chapters revamped and a whole new codex worth of brand new units. I feel like gw is oversaturating the vanilla marine market.
Huh? We did get Primaris marines, but we also recently got Thousand Sons and soon Death Guard, each with troops, elites, chaff, characters, and a primarch. Add some daemon models from the Tzeentch release as well.
macluvin wrote: They would make so much more money if they just stopped with the limited editiion crap…
Considering ;they usually sell out of them, they're sometimes more than double the price, and they have minimal difference in cost, I don't understand your thinking at all.
macluvin wrote: By the time the rest of chaos gets its turn I will have spent my gaming budget on 3rd party bits and have what I want. And have no need for their product. Also by that time space marines will have had several chapters revamped and a whole new codex worth of brand new units. I feel like gw is oversaturating the vanilla marine market.
That's what I had to do. A family member of mine gave me a $50.00 GW voucher so I bought some sonic weapons but practically all of my noisey boys are custom or kit-bashed. I am also in the middle of building a sonic Dreadnought using the Emperor's Children contemptor Dreadnought and a volkite weapon. But I wish there was an easier option to build EC because those resin pieces are a bother to work with. Maybe a sprue of speakers to mount on everything would be nice for EC because I can hardly find anything like that even with 3rd party bits. I just want my dudes to look cool, is that so wrong?
Hasnt chaos Waited there turn, for the last 15 years? i mean, i know space marines are the big seller, but they have had what... 5 tactical squad kits now?
It is arguable that Chaos has actually got the MkIII and MkIV armours. Certainly if I were making an army based on a legion I'd use that kit rather than the actual CSM kit.
While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.
Formosa wrote: this is not a complaint, more an observation.
Hasnt chaos Waited there turn, for the last 15 years? i mean, i know space marines are the big seller, but they have had what... 5 tactical squad kits now?
When I said to wait his turn it wasnt for chaos as a whole , it was because he wanted other kits instead of Death guard releases. Its merely a matter of time , and i assume it wont be a long wait, but he was basically begrudging deathguard collectors releases in favour of others (even if oblits and havocs could be usable for all legions). Others have also mentioned DG have just had a release. Yes, they have, but it doesnt constitute the general standard codex releases. Did everyone think Dark Angels got a 'proper release' when Dark Vengeance was released, or Chaos as a whole? If we are going by that flawed logic then Chaas (as a whole) have been in the last two starter sets, but that doesnt mean they're now good, the same as Dark Angels or Death Guard. Id love to see more Chaos releases as well, generic and god orientated, but begrudging the DG releases, even if all chaos playrs wont make use of them is pretty sad
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Geifer wrote: While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.
That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set
Formosa wrote: this is not a complaint, more an observation.
Hasnt chaos Waited there turn, for the last 15 years? i mean, i know space marines are the big seller, but they have had what... 5 tactical squad kits now?
When I said to wait his turn it wasnt for chaos as a whole , it was because he wanted other kits instead of Death guard releases. Its merely a matter of time , and i assume it wont be a long wait, but he was basically begrudging deathguard collectors releases in favour of others (even if oblits and havocs could be usable for all legions). Others have also mentioned DG have just had a release. Yes, they have, but it doesnt constitute the general standard codex releases. Did everyone think Dark Angels got a 'proper release' when Dark Vengeance was released, or Chaos as a whole? If we are going by that flawed logic then Chaas (as a whole) have been in the last two starter sets, but that doesnt mean they're now good, the same as Dark Angels or Death Guard. Id love to see more Chaos releases as well, generic and god orientated, but begrudging the DG releases, even if all chaos playrs wont make use of them is pretty sad
Geifer wrote: While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
I mean, of the various legions "plain" armor fits alpha legion, iron warriors, some renegades. The current CSM style model better fits black legion, word bearers, night lords and some other renegades. The cult legions are all better suited by their unique models over anything else. So honestly, not like a new spikey horned version is going to be that much more fitting for at many more armies.
Geifer wrote: While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
That said, GW has clearly handed Tartaros and Cataphractii rules to loyalists while completely ignoring traitors. That should tell you something.
That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set
That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.
Geifer wrote: While I love Mk.III and I'm damn happy they exist, the plain look is more suited to loyalists than Chaos (except Iron Warriors because they're dull ). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
I mean, of the various legions "plain" armor fits alpha legion, iron warriors, some renegades. The current CSM style model better fits black legion, word bearers, night lords and some other renegades. The cult legions are all better suited by their unique models over anything else. So honestly, not like a new spikey horned version is going to be that much more fitting for at many more armies.
Yeah, I exaggerated a bit there.
I fall in the camp of 10,000 years in the warp have changed Chaos Marines. I know there are people that will happily use Horus Heresy era, plain, clean traitors in modern 40k. Not knocking it. The old armor marks are great for anyone like that. But to me there needs to be a bit more faction representation and Chaos madness on the models than simply a color scheme. I generally don't like the idea that a legion somehow found the magical recipe for staying untainted in the warp. Except Thousand Sons of course, but we know how that went.
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set
That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.
And I have to say, "still incorrect" is a compelling argument on Kallus's part. I'm tempted to change my mind and believe that I am, in fact, wrong on the matter.
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: That is incorrect, the Lord of Contagion has Cataphractii armour and his rules are in the DI box set
That's wonderful for the Lord of Contagion, but if I assembled and painted Cataphractii for my Black Legion I'd still use the Chaos Terminators entry because there is not, in fact, rules representation for the Cataphractii and Tartaros kits for Chaos.
And I have to say, "still incorrect" is a compelling argument on Kallus's part. I'm tempted to change my mind and believe that I am, in fact, wrong on the matter.
Ah im with you, yeah I find it odd that the 2 forces that should have both cataphractii and tartoros armours in near abundance, Chaos and Dark Angels, have no access to it ??
They also gave Tartaros armour rules to the Scarab occult terminators last ed, who are, funnily enough, wearing tartaros armour. I dont believe their rules are in the new dex, I genuinely havent read it or the indexes, but im pretty sure theyll get those rules in the upcoming Tsons dex
Do you realize this is about the generic Horus Heresy kits featuring different armor variants? Kits. Not the individual variants of power and terminator armor.
The whole point of the conversation is about base Chaos Marine kits, not special snowflake units of one or another legion that happened to get lucky in their update and got a fluffy armor mark.
Geifer wrote: Do you realize this is about the generic Horus Heresy kits featuring different armor variants? Kits. Not the individual variants of power and terminator armor.
The whole point of the conversation is about base Chaos Marine kits, not special snowflake units of one or another legion that happened to get lucky in their update and got a fluffy armor mark.
Well, youd said they'd 'completely ignored traitors'. I was pointing out that that is factually incorrect. Its a shame though, would have been nice for them to have had it for all generic chaos
I said that, with reference to the Horus Heresy kits. And yes, it is a shame. There's really no reason Chaos shouldn't have rules for these kits (or Space Wolves and the Angels, for that matter).
angel of death 007 wrote: Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.
Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.
What more do you want?
New generic CSM, a real Havoc kit, updated non-Nurgle units, new Abbadon........the new Death Guard are not models for CSM, they are for their own codex.
2pts cheaper but no legion abilitys or stratagems or marks no benifits from chaos lords or chaplins (no <legion> so quite a large down side in the synagy (spl) department.
But they've got a special rule of their own, which is largely better than most tactics for gunline units, and a morale ability which is also better than most tactics that deal with morale.
They don't need synergy or support because it comes baked in for the 'cost' of negative two points.
If you want a bare bones plasma team, fallen are tailor made for it, and require nothing. And don't interfere with anything else you might want to field.
). Personally I wouldn't count them for either Imperials or Chaos and just treat them as what they are - Horus Heresy sets.
so quite a large down side in the synagy (spl) department.