Kanluwen wrote: I'm salty that we're literally on a Mechanicus facility with zero Mechanicus presence in KT. We're loooong overdue for a genuine KT set for them.
An upgrade sprue for the Sicarians/Rustalkers seems like a no-brainer for this. Both units primary roles are perfectly covered in the scope of Kill Team.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm salty that we're literally on a Mechanicus facility with zero Mechanicus presence in KT. We're loooong overdue for a genuine KT set for them.
An upgrade sprue for the Sicarians/Rustalkers seems like a no-brainer for this. Both units primary roles are perfectly covered in the scope of Kill Team.
Scottywan82 wrote: I'd love to see something like the Secutarii Pelasts/Hoplites, personally. I think Kill Team would be a great way to incorporate a sprue for them.
I mean, they literally dumped them into Legends. I think Secutarii are better left to HH at this point since they don't seem to want to give us a plastic Titan...
It wouldn't be wildly out of place for Rangers to get some technoarcane goodies.
Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Tastyfish wrote: Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Not a lot of design space for Night Lords against the Chaos Legionnaires, and yet...
So far this season seems to be "We're Out of Ideas".
..which all plays further into my belief that we were never supposed to get to Season 3 in the first place. It's all sloppy seconds and 40K kits only. Yawn.
Tastyfish wrote: Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Not a lot of design space for Night Lords against the Chaos Legionnaires, and yet...
So far this season seems to be "We're Out of Ideas".
Almost, it feels closer to "how can we ninja release some extra 40k stuff we want out but have no release slots for" season.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm salty that we're literally on a Mechanicus facility with zero Mechanicus presence in KT. We're loooong overdue for a genuine KT set for them.
An upgrade sprue for the Sicarians/Rustalkers seems like a no-brainer for this. Both units primary roles are perfectly covered in the scope of Kill Team.
The same can be said for Rangers.
Sure, but I think the kit that builds a squad of literal assassins or infiltrators is about as close as a shoe-in for Kill Team as you can get. Rangers/Vanguard is not as clean in that regard. The majority of infantry kits work reasonably well as a base, but few match the theme as well as sicarians.
Tastyfish wrote: Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Not a lot of design space for Night Lords against the Chaos Legionnaires, and yet...
So far this season seems to be "We're Out of Ideas".
Almost, it feels closer to "how can we ninja release some extra 40k stuff we want out but have no release slots for" season.
This is how I feel about it, also.
Which makes a second Votann-team seem pretty belivable. Since they’re pretty new, and could use a new unit or two (but won’t have a codex release for quite some time yet)
Sure, but I think the kit that builds a squad of literal assassins or infiltrators is about as close as a shoe-in for Kill Team as you can get. Rangers/Vanguard is not as clean in that regard. The majority of infantry kits work reasonably well as a base, but few match the theme as well as sicarians.
They'd be terrifyingly fast though.
Part of the issue with our disagreement seems to be perception.
When I said "Rangers", I meant a Ranger specific base for a KT. Not "builds either Rangers or Vanguard". I mean ignoring the Vanguard, 100%.
Rangers really need to be refocused if they're going to be left effectively as-is. An additional sprue that is similar to the one Pathfinders got, tossing specialized goodies in for the unit leader and a doubling up for the Transauranic or Arc Rifle.
I don't think we'll see eye to eye on the Sicarian thing. Ruststalkers are "assassins" in their origin only. Infiltrators are viewed as holy champions/paladins by the AdMech forces.
Tastyfish wrote: Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Not a lot of design space for Night Lords against the Chaos Legionnaires, and yet...
So far this season seems to be "We're Out of Ideas".
Even the specific traitor legions have stronger individual themes that let them stand out against each other, though to be fair I'd have probably just given them different equipment lists, I'm at a loss to really think of much Brood Brothers would have that veteran guard don't - other than perhaps just being Wyrmblade with special weapons rather than cult agents?
Hmm, unless their unique selling point is that these are rebellious PDF troops, they're just goons, but they're the goons currently on sentry duty on site? Advanced deployment options for the usual GA2 basic guardsman so they're already across the map and an endless horde that return as reinforcements if killed - maybe there is a bit of moisture in the dregs of this barrel still.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm salty that we're literally on a Mechanicus facility with zero Mechanicus presence in KT. We're loooong overdue for a genuine KT set for them.
Well, we were in a space hulk for a full year and never saw hide or hair of a genestealer or terminator, so...
Manchu wrote: I will probably get Nightmare despite not being super keen on the Mandrakes. They look great, just never cared much for them.
But I do love this rumor Brood Brothers versus Pioneers.
Wonder if they will have another Bheta-Decima themed terrain box.
There's a big, container-esque bit of a terrain that's in Bheta Decima colours that's been in some of the WarCom previews that wasn't released here so I think that'll probably make it to a later set.
Could that be the same footprint as the Fronteris landing pad? Or smaller?I guess a bit smaller. How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace? You even got one in the previous Kill Team box...
lord_blackfang wrote: Could that be the same footprint as the Fronteris landing pad? Or smaller?I guess a bit smaller. How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace? You even got one in the previous Kill Team box...
It looks similar in sizing overall, maybe a bit shorter than the landing pad. The pillars flanking the stairs appear to be the same height as the pad surface.
Good thoughts on the circle, we need the Owen reveal to clarify its interchangeability.
Tastyfish wrote: There's a big, container-esque bit of a terrain that's in Bheta Decima colours that's been in some of the WarCom previews that wasn't released here so I think that'll probably make it to a later set.
lord_blackfang wrote: How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace?
lord_blackfang wrote: Could that be the same footprint as the Fronteris landing pad? Or smaller?I guess a bit smaller. How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace? You even got one in the previous Kill Team box...
It looks similar in sizing overall, maybe a bit shorter than the landing pad. The pillars flanking the stairs appear to be the same height as the pad surface.
Good thoughts on the circle, we need the Owen reveal to clarify its interchangeability.
I wonder if the new generatorum will fit on top of the fronteris landing pad. The spacing between the buttresses looks similar, but the buttresses don’t extend from the corners of the generatorum as much as they do on the landing pad.
Tastyfish wrote: There's a big, container-esque bit of a terrain that's in Bheta Decima colours that's been in some of the WarCom previews that wasn't released here so I think that'll probably make it to a later set.
lord_blackfang wrote: How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace?
lord_blackfang wrote: Could that be the same footprint as the Fronteris landing pad? Or smaller?I guess a bit smaller. How great would it be if the large circle aligned with the large Sector Mechanicus furnace? You even got one in the previous Kill Team box...
It looks similar in sizing overall, maybe a bit shorter than the landing pad. The pillars flanking the stairs appear to be the same height as the pad surface.
Good thoughts on the circle, we need the Owen reveal to clarify its interchangeability.
I wonder if the new generatorum will fit on top of the fronteris landing pad. The spacing between the buttresses looks similar, but the buttresses don’t extend from the corners of the generatorum as much as they do on the landing pad.
Seems plausible, a lot of the terrain is satisfyingly interchangeable. Would make this about the same size as the fronteris habs though.
Oh, yeah. I don't give a fig about either kill team (just my orks, baby) but that terrain is awesome. I must have it for my Necromunda/HH Mechanicum board.
I don't think this terrain is bad, but I really hoped new season would have non-Imperial terrain for a change. Octarius is still the coolest because it's not the same motifs and shapes as everything else soo far.
Are we talking about the piece on the previous page? I'm pretty sure that it's the terrain feature that comes in the box w the mandrakes and night Lords, it's not a separate kit you'll be able to purchase, at least not yet
Tastyfish wrote: Did they say how confident they were in this rumour? Not a lot of design space I'd have thought for Brood Brothers against a background of Blooded, Veteran IG and the Wyrm Blade.
Not a lot of design space for Night Lords against the Chaos Legionnaires, and yet...
So far this season seems to be "We're Out of Ideas".
Almost, it feels closer to "how can we ninja release some extra 40k stuff we want out but have no release slots for" season.
If so, that's terrible, because these clowns couldn't even do one job and fix phobos squads with that extra sprue they got, filling it with random nonsense instead of, say, something so inconceivable as power weapons for sarge/melee specialist (thus fixing biggest dose of stupid they suffer from in 40Kand make them less terrible in KT against a lot of matches)
And the fact they did nothing to Reivers, you know, theSM unit that is supposed to be sent on deep insertions to sabotage/kill important units, is beyond laughable. Though at this point, you'd need to fire the incompetent sabotaging their rules for three editions, junk the Reiver sprue, make a new one with proper melee weapons/alt build, and replace silly batman rope guns with optional jump attachment to their grav parachutes (and maybe make them into phobos vanguard veteran equivalent, after all they do the most dangerous/important jobs)...
I was under the impression that Reivers are considered quite favourably in Kill team at the moment. Enough to take a Sgt and one or two more in the team despite not having additional specialities.
That new piece of terrain is oddly specific to this season of Killteam. I'm not seeing any utility for it in my other games tbh, so again, pass for me.
tauist wrote: That new piece of terrain is oddly specific to this season of Killteam. I'm not seeing any utility for it in my other games tbh, so again, pass for me.
To me, it looks like it should fit well enough with the Fronteris stuff, with a matching colour scheme.
tauist wrote: That new piece of terrain is oddly specific to this season of Killteam. I'm not seeing any utility for it in my other games tbh, so again, pass for me.
To me, it looks like it should fit well enough with the Fronteris stuff, with a matching colour scheme.
Yeah, I'm surprisingly excited for that bit - it looks to be a fairly hefty size, something like the Fronteris landing pad but with stairs up and a lot more complicated shape when it comes to cover and firing lines. The big reactor bit at the back then opens up the option for triple layers of gantries when combined with the rest of the mechanicus gantries (half sized Bheta-Decimal ones, full sized classic and one and a half sized parts from the mounted tower), there space for the pipes to enter a terrain piece for low, long walls with pipes that look like they are doing something rather than just being there and it looks like the other chimneys and furnaces should fit on top of the other raised vents to extend out that size and a half layer.
Nice substantial piece to provide some grown cover in a Nachmund style gantry board, or to build a full rig around with lots of LOS blocking and obscuring things extending upwards in the middle of the gantries.
wasn't the rumor that we were going to get something exodite themed for a while there? like, there was a KT video on warcom talking about a jungle world, and then it just never went anywhere with the current season?
space wood elf would have been so cool. I don't hate the current season's terrain, as far as imperium stuff goes", but something exodite/jungle themed would have been a lot more lively
StudentOfEtherium wrote: wasn't the rumor that we were going to get something exodite themed for a while there? like, there was a KT video on warcom talking about a jungle world, and then it just never went anywhere with the current season?
space wood elf would have been so cool. I don't hate the current season's terrain, as far as imperium stuff goes", but something exodite/jungle themed would have been a lot more lively
Could have used the existing deathworld jungle terrain as a base with new Eldar terrain components in each box.
Manchu wrote: I would like to see a set of terrain about as much as came in Octarius but themed for Tyranids, T’au, or Drukhari
That was my hope when the last season was on a space hulk. We know hulks are made up of various ships from different species, so it would make sense to have areas that looked like Eldar spacecraft or Tyranid bioships.
tauist wrote: It's all sloppy seconds and 40K kits only. Yawn.
I wanted to comment on this because when the Salvation stuff was shown off, this was a common sentiment that these kits were really 40k kits masquerading as KT kits. While that may in fact be true, I found something odd with the Blades of Khaine when I went to assemble the exarch. The kit finally includes an option for exarch chainsabres. This was an exarch option starting in 4th edition and continuing through 9th (except for 8th for some reason), but it was never in the kit. All the scorpion chainsword arms were right arms. To dual wield chainswords you'd need to use the left arm one from the old Autarch with fusion gun kit. Anway, the KT rules allow for the chainsabres, now called twin chainswords. The Eldar index for 10th does not. It's biting blade or scorpion claw only.
So I am curious as to how KT got all the exarch options and 10th ed 40k didn't. The sprues are marked 2023. 10th came out in 2023. Did the 40k guys not know the kit was coming? Why did they remove the chainsabres that had been in four out of the last five codices including the most recent one? It doesn't make any sense especially when compared to the banshee kit from 2019 that finally included the triskele that had also been in the rules since 4th (again except for 8th). Is it possible the kit was actually managed by the KT guys and not the 40k guys?
Afaik, the models are build before the rules. And the rules guys don't necessarily give you rules for everything on the sprue. Just be glad that the Exarch does not wield "generic accursed Xeno Blade" and that you actually have an option.
The Kill Team rules are written the other way round, you will get rules for almost everything on the sprue, even if it does not make any sense. Like bolt pistols, even if plasma pistols are available and superior in every regard.
I wanted to comment on this because when the Salvation stuff was shown off, this was a common sentiment that these kits were really 40k kits masquerading as KT kits. While that may in fact be true, I found something odd with the Blades of Khaine when I went to assemble the exarch. The kit finally includes an option for exarch chainsabres. This was an exarch option starting in 4th edition and continuing through 9th (except for 8th for some reason), but it was never in the kit. All the scorpion chainsword arms were right arms. To dual wield chainswords you'd need to use the left arm one from the old Autarch with fusion gun kit. Anway, the KT rules allow for the chainsabres, now called twin chainswords. The Eldar index for 10th does not. It's biting blade or scorpion claw only.
So I am curious as to how KT got all the exarch options and 10th ed 40k didn't. The sprues are marked 2023. 10th came out in 2023. Did the 40k guys not know the kit was coming? Why did they remove the chainsabres that had been in four out of the last five codices including the most recent one? It doesn't make any sense especially when compared to the banshee kit from 2019 that finally included the triskele that had also been in the rules since 4th (again except for 8th). Is it possible the kit was actually managed by the KT guys and not the 40k guys?
The option was there because there are leftover spaces on the 3 small sprues budget allowance they got, just like the other aspect warrior kits. If you compare to kit that were made for Killteam like Kommando Nobz and Corsairs the difference is night and day, not only they got the budget for bigger kit, they also packed lots of unique specialists.
I wanted to comment on this because when the Salvation stuff was shown off, this was a common sentiment that these kits were really 40k kits masquerading as KT kits. While that may in fact be true, I found something odd with the Blades of Khaine when I went to assemble the exarch. The kit finally includes an option for exarch chainsabres. This was an exarch option starting in 4th edition and continuing through 9th (except for 8th for some reason), but it was never in the kit. All the scorpion chainsword arms were right arms. To dual wield chainswords you'd need to use the left arm one from the old Autarch with fusion gun kit. Anway, the KT rules allow for the chainsabres, now called twin chainswords. The Eldar index for 10th does not. It's biting blade or scorpion claw only.
So I am curious as to how KT got all the exarch options and 10th ed 40k didn't. The sprues are marked 2023. 10th came out in 2023. Did the 40k guys not know the kit was coming? Why did they remove the chainsabres that had been in four out of the last five codices including the most recent one? It doesn't make any sense especially when compared to the banshee kit from 2019 that finally included the triskele that had also been in the rules since 4th (again except for 8th). Is it possible the kit was actually managed by the KT guys and not the 40k guys?
My guess is that it’s probably just that the models have to come out before they write any rules for them!
What you’re pointing out about the rules- and models-people probably knowing what’s on the way and therefore should be able to plan ahead and so forth, sounds true! And that is how GW used to do it. Back in the days they used to publish rules for new units/models/updated kits/etc. in codexes, and then release those anticipated models maybe half a year later (or longer, sometimes).
However, nowadays (last ten years or so) they won’t release rules unless there is an official GWmodel availible at the time. (For instance, when the 6th ed ’Nids codex came out in march of 2014 several units that lacked models had been removed. Only to be reintroduced when their models were released in november of that same year). I din’t believe there’s been any exception to this… but I might be wrong!
Anyway! Now that there is (or will be) an availible model kit for Scorpions with the chainsabre-options, I’m pretty sure the option will show up in the codex, once Eldar gets updated for 10th.
GiToRaZor wrote: The Kill Team rules are written the other way round, you will get rules for almost everything on the sprue, even if it does not make any sense. Like bolt pistols, even if plasma pistols are available and superior in every regard.
The bolt pistol/plasma pistol choice was a no-brainer for the Veteran Guardsman at the start of the game, but more recent teams have the options requiring taking a worse pistol the better quality melee weapon you take , and vice versa. So you can have a plasma pistol or a power sword, unlike the VG who get to take both.
ursvamp wrote: However, nowadays (last ten years or so) they won’t release rules unless there is an official GWmodel availible at the time. (For instance, when the 6th ed ’Nids codex came out in march of 2014 several units that lacked models had been removed. Only to be reintroduced when their models were released in november of that same year). I din’t believe there’s been any exception to this… but I might be wrong!
Chapter House law suit
GW sued Chapter House over the Doom of Malan'ta and several other models. CH won this part of the suit because there were rules but no official model. After that GW started the “no rules, no model” policy. The character was removed and replaced with the Neurothrope.
Smaug wrote: Chapter House law suit
GW sued Chapter House over the Doom of Malan'ta and several other models. CH won this part of the suit because there were rules but no official model. After that GW started the “no rules, no model” policy. The character was removed and replaced with the Neurothrope.
GW played stupid games, and for some reason we won stupid prizes.
CH won because GW making an artwork was not enough to have a copyright on future models
so anyone can make a model based on an artwork GW releases unless GW releases to model as well
rules would be no problem as long as there is no artwork as no one knows how the model should look like
CH didn't really win - they went out of business and the owners personal life was basically wrecked by the lawsuit from what I recall. They won 2/3rds of the claims, sure, but GW won the other 1/3rd and Chapterhouse had to pay GW damages for them.
GW is also still in business and doing better than ever.
chaos0xomega wrote: CH didn't really win - they went out of business and the owners personal life was basically wrecked by the lawsuit from what I recall. They won 2/3rds of the claims, sure, but GW won the other 1/3rd and Chapterhouse had to pay GW damages for them.
GW is also still in business and doing better than ever.
Chapterhouse is not.
The phrase that comes to mind is "Pyrrhic victory".
said this in the other thread, but seeing the actual models with their upgrade sprue, i'm a lot more fine with this than "brood brothers kill team" made me think. the upgrades are pretty extensive here, giving them a completely different feel. plus, the patriarch/magus/primus kit coming in the box makes it a lot more tempting than it otherwise would be. i'm shockingly fine with this release
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Space Suits with Trench Coats is the new Great Coat with Opera Cape.
Right? This is the bee's knees of Void armor (with... really big zippers down the front, mind). Some basic temperature regulation seems part of the package.
The one with armor, the belted coat and a tasseled cloak and a sniper rifle seems to be humping far too much kit, the poor blighter.
I like the Plasma gen cubes, and from the talks I gather the Brood brothers Killteam will be a very popular one in tourneys. Tons of flexibility, and Patriarch's mind control ability sounds like a fun new mechanic.
The Votann pioneer team kind of worries me, they might turn out really OP/broken with their new abilities that let them build a repo of points to use for APL increase and healing later during the game. We'll see.
Overall, I like the new teams, but really cant get excited about Bheta Decima as a killzone. I will probably get the Cubes for my terrain collection from ebay and otherwise skip this box.
Cyel wrote: My gripe with the Cults is that it makes a unique vanguard organism Tyranid team much less likely in the near future :(
GSC getting just a simple upgrade sprue released alongside existing kits at least makes a bespoke Tyranid Kill Team more likely to happen eventually.
But yeah I doubt it will be the next release slot for this season. In order to do anything substantial (like new warriors/shrikes) I suspect they would more likely be in a launch box for a new season/edition.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: said this in the other thread, but seeing the actual models with their upgrade sprue, i'm a lot more fine with this than "brood brothers kill team" made me think. the upgrades are pretty extensive here, giving them a completely different feel. plus, the patriarch/magus/primus kit coming in the box makes it a lot more tempting than it otherwise would be. i'm shockingly fine with this release
Looks like there aren't many new parts. All the heads, obviously, and the icon, plus the arms of the leader and power maul dude. Most of the other bits are from the Cadian kit.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: said this in the other thread, but seeing the actual models with their upgrade sprue, i'm a lot more fine with this than "brood brothers kill team" made me think. the upgrades are pretty extensive here, giving them a completely different feel. plus, the patriarch/magus/primus kit coming in the box makes it a lot more tempting than it otherwise would be. i'm shockingly fine with this release
Looks like there aren't many new parts. All the heads, obviously, and the icon, plus the arms of the leader and power maul dude. Most of the other bits are from the Cadian kit.
Sniper rifle, shotgun, power sword, medic bits are all from the upgrade frame too.
twoseventwo wrote: I know this was just as true of the old upgrade kit, but are Brood Brothers canonically hybrids now? I haven't followed the fluff closely enough.
Easy enough to use Cadian heads with the cult accoutrements and the odd hybrid leader if you don't like that, obviously.
BB are infected with the genestealer virus/organ thing that alters their biology so they can spawn hybrids.
Maybe they just decided that should show more blatantly after a while? I mean if they live long enough post-infection their cells are going to start reproducing with the new sequences…
Not so sure about claw-guy though. Might paint that up as a bionic… or even a “bionic” graft of some kind. Like” oops me arm’s off, anyone got a spare?”
StudentOfEtherium wrote: said this in the other thread, but seeing the actual models with their upgrade sprue, i'm a lot more fine with this than "brood brothers kill team" made me think. the upgrades are pretty extensive here, giving them a completely different feel. plus, the patriarch/magus/primus kit coming in the box makes it a lot more tempting than it otherwise would be. i'm shockingly fine with this release
Looks like there aren't many new parts. All the heads, obviously, and the icon, plus the arms of the leader and power maul dude. Most of the other bits are from the Cadian kit.
Sniper rifle, shotgun, power sword, medic bits are all from the upgrade frame too.
There's also a dynamite grenadier and a dual knife wielding 'flensor' type in the videos but not in the squad of 10.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: said this in the other thread, but seeing the actual models with their upgrade sprue, i'm a lot more fine with this than "brood brothers kill team" made me think. the upgrades are pretty extensive here, giving them a completely different feel. plus, the patriarch/magus/primus kit coming in the box makes it a lot more tempting than it otherwise would be. i'm shockingly fine with this release
Looks like there aren't many new parts. All the heads, obviously, and the icon, plus the arms of the leader and power maul dude. Most of the other bits are from the Cadian kit.
Sniper rifle, shotgun, power sword, medic bits are all from the upgrade frame too.
Ahhh, I'm mixing up my Kriegs and Cadians! It was the former that had a sniper and a medic bag thrown over the shoudler, wasn't it!
2 left arm knife bit for GSC, 1 right arm knife , there're another right arm knife on the Cadian shock troop kit. Arbite shotgun would have been great for conversion if the hands were human, unfortunately it isn't.
Also apparently the pump on the bolt shotgun actually work so I guess it work kinda like a nerf gun with the pump rotate the cylinder and cock the hammer.
I like that Votann kit, it's exactly what I was expecting as a unit for the main army. I'm just surprised at another Votann kit so soon. But can't complain!
My only point of critique for the Votann team is that GW doesnt really sculpt nice cloaks/hoodies/trenchcoats. The sense of volume in them is always off somehow
I kind of agree with you, but the new plasma cubes have the same chunkiness to them that the Battlezone Fronteris terrain has. If you have any of that, the new kill team terrain will fit well with that.
Pariah Press wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty interested in seeing the rules for the Patriarch and Magus.
In my mind they should be more of the target of a special scenario - a Kill Team attempting an assassination - rather than regular members of the team. Besides the obvious counting as multiple models for team size, I'm guessing that they can't gain experience or battle honours.
GaroRobe wrote: Hm. The warhammer + battle report is the NL vs Mandrakes so maybe they’ll be up for preorders next Sunday?
Maybe!
There's definitely been some behind the scenes product shuffling. We had a Callis & Toll battle report before Crone stuff went up for preorder not long ago.
GaroRobe wrote: Hm. The warhammer + battle report is the NL vs Mandrakes so maybe they’ll be up for preorders next Sunday?
We can hope! They've already previews the next boxed set, so they're clogging up the pipeline a little. Unless both release on the same day.
I mean, it's in better shape than WarCry? We've had two boxes previewed but still no single releases from the currently available box(Hunter and Hunted).
GaroRobe wrote: Hm. The warhammer + battle report is the NL vs Mandrakes so maybe they’ll be up for preorders next Sunday?
End of the War Com article says there will be more Nightmare articles next week as well, so a good bet. I was surprised to see it not go up this weekend.
GaroRobe wrote: Hm. The warhammer + battle report is the NL vs Mandrakes so maybe they’ll be up for preorders next Sunday?
End of the War Com article says there will be more Nightmare articles next week as well, so a good bet. I was surprised to see it not go up this weekend.
Yeah, usually the 'week of articles on new product' begins the week before the pre-order.
Mr_Rose wrote: Did I miss the release of the KT Nightmare box? Seems a bit unusual for them to announce the next one already…
You didn't miss it, Nightmare is delayed from the original planned release date (winter) resulting in oddities like this. Normally it would be available to order before the next box is revealed.
A recent AOS book also had WH+ content being shown the week before release announcement. GW are playing catch-up from all the production & distribution issues since last year.
Mr_Rose wrote: Did I miss the release of the KT Nightmare box? Seems a bit unusual for them to announce the next one already…
You didn't miss it, Nightmare is delayed from the original planned release date (winter) resulting in oddities like this. Normally it would be available to order before the next box is revealed.
A recent AOS book also had WH+ content being shown the week before release announcement. GW are playing catch-up from all the production & distribution issues since last year.
This link was posted early on GW social media. It isn't working for me yet but should soon
''Everything you see here today will go up for pre-order next Saturday.'' It is KT: Nightmare, Warcry: Pyre and Flood, Wildercorps Hunters and Gorger Mawpack, Ravaged Lands, Glimdwarrow Groundhogs, Gnome Team Dice, Cards, and Pitch Set, Gnome Treeman and Rodney Roachbait, Spike! Journal Issue 17, White Dwarf 499, and 2 BL books.
the differences between models here seems... esoteric. like it's going to be a lot trickier to tell these guys apart than, say, a guy using a different gun or with a special item. they're really cool kits, but i don't know if they stand out as individuals in a kill team, y'know?
Look like there're matching left/right arm of most blades except for the Nightfiend and Shadeweaver. Don't mind me time to dual wield blade, and dual wield flames.
Chopstick wrote: Look like there're matching left/right arm of most blades except for the Nightfiend and Shadeweaver. Don't mind me time to dual wield blade, and dual wield flames.
And enough spare arms and heads to make a few 'extra' models from the box by having a mandrake just emerging from a shadow, limb first. Ah, it'll be like making a box of zombies go further all over again!
The latest Balance Dataslate apparently dropped last weekend? Big changes this time around. Harlequins lost FLY, and many more smaller changes. This will shake up things considerably!
Ah yeah I think it’s just the like Starter one that’s less. Then the others at 80.
Shame if it’s going to 85, that’s even more past what I’d want to spend.
Particularly when I can get an individual Kill Team printed for a good price and much more to choose from.
tauist wrote: Aand its gone. Sold out in under an hour. And no doubt the vast majority of people only bought the box for the minis for their 40K armies
Gee, almost like that's what the teams effectively were?
This whole season has been very lackluster. A big chunk of the revealed Kill Teams have just been units getting resculpts(Scorpions, Scouts, Mandrakes) or units getting upgrade frames(Night Lords and Brood Brothers). The only "new" has been the League of Votaan KT coming with Brood Brothers.
tauist wrote: Aand its gone. Sold out in under an hour. And no doubt the vast majority of people only bought the box for the minis for their 40K armies
Amazingly after about a year or so of abject failure to get anything on launch, my friend and I actually managed to get one (I'm having mandrakes half, and yes, it is for my 40k army)
tauist wrote: Aand its gone. Sold out in under an hour. And no doubt the vast majority of people only bought the box for the minis for their 40K armies
Gee, almost like that's what the teams effectively were?
This whole season has been very lackluster. A big chunk of the revealed Kill Teams have just been units getting resculpts(Scorpions, Scouts, Mandrakes) or units getting upgrade frames(Night Lords and Brood Brothers). The only "new" has been the League of Votaan KT coming with Brood Brothers.
upgrade sprues are nothing new for kill team. every vs box for kill team to date has been a new kit vs an old kit with an upgrade sprue. legionaries, pathfinders, hierotek circle, the first votann kill team, and so on
tauist wrote: Aand its gone. Sold out in under an hour. And no doubt the vast majority of people only bought the box for the minis for their 40K armies
Gee, almost like that's what the teams effectively were?
This whole season has been very lackluster. A big chunk of the revealed Kill Teams have just been units getting resculpts(Scorpions, Scouts, Mandrakes) or units getting upgrade frames(Night Lords and Brood Brothers). The only "new" has been the League of Votaan KT coming with Brood Brothers.
upgrade sprues are nothing new for kill team. every vs box for kill team to date has been a new kit vs an old kit with an upgrade sprue. legionaries, pathfinders, hierotek circle, the first votann kill team, and so on
Please read what I wrote, not what you thought I wrote: This season's lackluster, not because of upgrade frames but because of the fact that out of the 6 revealed Kill Teams only one has actually been something new. Bheta-Decima: -Salvation featured Scouts(new sculpts with gubbins on the sprue) vs Striking Scorpions(new sculpts; 1/3 units available for the KT) -Nightmare is Mandrakes(new sculpts with gubbins on the sprue) vs Night Lords(unit with upgrade frames) -Termination features Mandrakes(Cadians with upgrade frame & repacked characters; lazy compared to the Blooded KT) vs Hernkyn Yaegirs(new unit with gubbins built into the sprue).
Compare that to the Gallowdark season: -Opened with Kroot Farstalkers v Breachers(both new) -Moved to Shadowvaults with Hierotek Circle(upgrade frame+repacked character) v Kasrkin(new/returning unit) -Moved to Soulshacke with Hand of the Archon(upgrade frame) v Arbites(new/returning unit) -Ended with Gallowfall, featuring Fellgor Ravagers(new unit) v Hearthkyn Salvagers(unit with upgrade frame).
Gallowdark and Bheta-Decima were separated with "Ashes of Faith", a narrative Kill Team set which was just a repackage of a ton of products plus a single Inquisitorial warband that seemed to be just trainee sculpts released.
First season of KT2021? -Octarius was "Veteran Guardsmen"(new DKoK models, but the ultimate generic KT name; unit with an included upgrade frame) v Ork Kommandos to start things off -Chalnath was the Novitiates(a new unit with an upgrade frame built-in) v Pathfinders with an upgrade frame -Nachmund Gauntlet was Corsairs(new unit; designed around being a KT and a unit) v CSM Legionaries with an upgrade frame(which really wasn't, because it featured an option that was in the unit profile from the codex to begin with) -Moroch ended out the first season with the Traitor Guard "Blooded"(all new unit designed around being a KT, including a Blackstone Fortress character pack repurposed) vs Phobos Marines with an upgrade frame.
We're literally on an Adeptus Mechanicus research world, and not a single AdMech bit(a faction that would have been a perfect opportunity for an upgrade frame ala the Pathfinders to address weapons being 1 per sprue, for example) has been showcased. Instead we weirdly got Space Marine Scouts as "guards" for an AdMech facility that had an Aeldari prisoner?
Again talks about Vespids for Kill Team but adds that that release will come with new terrain. Name of the box is apparently Hive Storm with Tempestus Scions vs Vespids.
New terrain similar to the Manufactorum Sanctus Administratum with "ladders, barricades, smoke grenades?" (no idea what he means with smoke grenades here) It does have three layers but not as high as the Sanctus Administratum.
The Scions are called an Aquillion Kill Team and consist of 10 Scions and a gun sentinel. He heard about plasma guns, power sword on the leader and jump packs on all of them. These are new models so not an upgrade kit. Vespids team are called Sting Wing. "Some of them are quite armoured" and they are also 10 Vespids and a drone for the 11th slot.
Its not confirmed but he assumes its going to be a new KT edition as there is apparently a core rulebook, dice and these starter things in there.
Matrindur wrote: New terrain similar to the Manufactorum Sanctus Administratum with "ladders, barricades, smoke grenades?" (no idea what he means with smoke grenades here.
Cloudy versions of the old Vortex Grenade marker, so that a smoke grenade can be used to block LoS for real?
Could it be that he mistakes them with Elysian Drop Troops?
Yes all of Valrak's rumours sound like someone who's never heard of Warhammer saw the upcoming release, described it best they could to someone with a passing knowledge of the setting, then this person passed their interpretation of the news on to Valrak, who has also never heard of Warhammer, and is now trying to chinese whisper himself a youtuber salary.
Could it be that he mistakes them with Elysian Drop Troops?
I doubt it with the unit name given now, though I suppose it's possible they have grav-chutes rather than jump pack.
That said, Imperial Guard did used to have jump pack troopers in Rogue Trader era so these could easily be a re-envisioning of those (they used two pistols I think like the Sororitas Seraphim). Jump packs would also put them on a more even footing against Vespid as well. It'd open up a little more for a Tempestus Detachment in the future guard book as well if there were at least two Scion units, plus Valks and Taurox primes.
I wonder if ladders will be a barricade like option (either add some extra cover or some easy climbs/bridges) or if they will introduce some Killzone specific equipment that some teams get access to. Might also help with some people's complaints about Bheta Decima if things like climbing ropes were universal equipment options available to those teams without fly etc. Curious how you could balance something like that without just assigning extra EP to some factions as part of a Killzone balancing dataslate.
That said, Imperial Guard did used to have jump pack troopers in Rogue Trader era so these could easily be a re-envisioning of those (they used two pistols I think like the Sororitas Seraphim). Jump packs would also put them on a more even footing against Vespid as well. It'd open up a little more for a Tempestus Detachment in the future guard book as well if there were at least two Scion units, plus Valks and Taurox primes.
and they show up in the "Guns of Tanith" Guant's Ghosts novel, with several killteams of the Tanith first (with some Phantine Skyborne advisors) using them to insert into the city of Ouranberg. (Phantine being a world where the surface is uninhabitable, and the cities are all inside domes on the tops of of mountains)
in the book the ones they were using were the Type Five Icarus-pattern Personal Descent Unit produced on the forgeworld of Lucius. they were described very similar to the old rogue trader art.
Spoiler:
the book came out in 2003, during the tail end of 3rd edition (and right before the release of 4th), well after (nearly a decade after) the Guard stopped having jumppack troops in the game.
cole1114 wrote: Gonna take a wild guess the sentinel means something else.
What immediately came to mind was the old conversion in White Dwarf (Or was it one of the xyzhunter books? Or both? Or just the internet? I've seen too much, I tell you, too much. I can't remember everything.) where someone fitted a plasma cannon with sentinal legs and ran it as a gun servitor. Looked really spectacular and it's a shame it never became a regular model. Until now, I hope. If not, I'd guess at it actually being a sentry gun such as a tarantula.
Now that Horus Heresy has light and heavy Sentinels, maybe GW wants to add a light Sentinel to 40k as well? If the pilot is similarly exposed it shouldn't be hard to write rules for Kill Team that make the model killable and remain immersive at the same time.
Matrindur wrote: New terrain similar to the Manufactorum Sanctus Administratum with "ladders, barricades, smoke grenades?" (no idea what he means with smoke grenades here.
Cloudy versions of the old Vortex Grenade marker, so that a smoke grenade can be used to block LoS for real?
That would be fun to have and could easily be done as a two part sculpt. Could be a pretty sizable LOS blocker as well since it wouldn't really be any different from a terrain piece.
I would have thought the bolter sentinel would just be something like the little bot the Navy Breachers have, here in the bottom left. Just with a bolter instead of a sensor if its actually a "bolter" sentinel.
Just because its called a "Sentinel" doesn't mean it has anything to do with the guard Sentinels. Otherwise I guess Leman Russ and Rogal Dorn got some Mechanicum upgrades and are going around on tracks now
I can certainly believe that someone mixed up sentinel and sentry (gun). I prefer it over getting a second Imperial Guard model called a Sentinel when it has no connection to the already existing Sentinel. That would be stupid even by GW's standards.
Most exciting thing for me is that GSC Team uses existing Cadian kit with new upgrade sprue.
Yes, but I can get it later. Don't need Squats and not another Coven - I have two of them from Deathwatch Overkill. Terrain is nice but sparsely. Don't care.
The inclusion of the Broodcoven gives this set more value than previous ones. It'll be interesting to see how the Patriarch fits into this set, rules wise.
SamusDrake wrote: The inclusion of the Broodcoven gives this set more value than previous ones. It'll be interesting to see how the Patriarch fits into this set, rules wise.
Well, assuming the price is the same! If it costs £{brood coven} more than the previous set..!
Wasn't a fan of the "pile of old sprues" approach when they did the big Inquisition vs Cultists box, not a fan of it now. Combined with the blandest terrain GW has ever done in HIPS this is a very skippable box for me.
(this isn't even a complaint, I'm happy to save up for a billion 30k Mechanicum launch boxes)
Yes all of Valrak's rumours sound like someone who's never heard of Warhammer saw the upcoming release, described it best they could to someone with a passing knowledge of the setting, then this person passed their interpretation of the news on to Valrak, who has also never heard of Warhammer, and is now trying to chinese whisper himself a youtuber salary.
IMO he has a contact that shares photos with him. Likely they are mainly publicity shots and he then just guesses what he is looking at. Occasionally he might get a photo of a box with named contents.
I'm pretty excited about this set - really want new Votann... I haven't bought anything in a while - are these sorts of things likely to sell in out in seconds/minutes or hours?
ZergSmasher wrote: I'm kind of wondering if the new Votann team will have 40k rules right away or if we'll have to wait for them to eventually get a codex for that
Well the article does say this at the bottom:
There’s also more to see from Kill Team: Termination – including some juicy Warhammer 40,000 rules for the Leagues of Votann
Which very much sounds like the 40k rules for the Votann Team
There’s also more to see from Kill Team: Termination – including some juicy Warhammer 40,000 rules for the Leagues of Votann
Which very much sounds like the 40k rules for the Votann Team
Not that the majority of players will be able to take advantage of that, given how quickly these boxes sell out.
I'm curious whether they'll eventually release the Votann squad as its own box, or if they'll hold off until the eventual second wave that we're still waiting for.
There’s also more to see from Kill Team: Termination – including some juicy Warhammer 40,000 rules for the Leagues of Votann
Which very much sounds like the 40k rules for the Votann Team
Not that the majority of players will be able to take advantage of that, given how quickly these boxes sell out.
I'm curious whether they'll eventually release the Votann squad as its own box, or if they'll hold off until the eventual second wave that we're still waiting for.
Will it come out on its own? 100%, every Kill team has been released on their own. It just takes a while (For some teams a long time) but all will be available sometime in the future.
Will it be available before Votann get their codex? Now that is the real question.
Dysartes wrote: Two quick questions, as I don't always pay full attention to KT.
- Does the terrain from each box get released on its own?
- If so, do we have a rough idea how long after the box itself drops that might happen?
It varies as much as the release of the teams themselves. If you really wanted some, you may be better buying pieces off someone that got the box for the teams and doersn't want the terrain.
silverstu wrote: I'm pretty excited about this set - really want new Votann... I haven't bought anything in a while - are these sorts of things likely to sell in out in seconds/minutes or hours?
I can't say about all of them, but a lot sold out pretty much immediately. I did notice the last two boxes lingered for a week or two after release in an online store I occasionally buy from. I don't know if that's a quirk, improved stock numbers or less appeal in the Kill Teams involved.
GW still has a lot of stock issues, though, which makes me think that if you really like the box, it's best to assume it sells out quickly and act accordingly.
silverstu wrote: I'm pretty excited about this set - really want new Votann... I haven't bought anything in a while - are these sorts of things likely to sell in out in seconds/minutes or hours?
I can't say about all of them, but a lot sold out pretty much immediately. I did notice the last two boxes lingered for a week or two after release in an online store I occasionally buy from. I don't know if that's a quirk, improved stock numbers or less appeal in the Kill Teams involved.
GW still has a lot of stock issues, though, which makes me think that if you really like the box, it's best to assume it sells out quickly and act accordingly.
Cheers! Will do - last time I tried to get the Salvagers box set it sold out as I was trying to complete my purchase.. hopefully I'll have better luck this time!
With the drop guard / Tempestus rumours and how.. dodgy Valrak is in sharing this as always, could he be referring to grav chutes maybe, instead of jump packs? Because "bolter Sentinel" to me sounds like a return of the Elysian Drop Sentinel, which came with either a heavy bolter or multi-melta option.
I'd love to see more monsters. Man-sized humanoids vs other man-sized humanoids doesn't excite me in the slightest when repeated for the last 10 sets. Terrain is similarly bland and repetitive.
After the Octarius box, setting a nice bar for uniqueness, it has been a steady decline.
BrookM wrote: With the drop guard / Tempestus rumours and how.. dodgy Valrak is in sharing this as always, could he be referring to grav chutes maybe, instead of jump packs? Because "bolter Sentinel" to me sounds like a return of the Elysian Drop Sentinel, which came with either a heavy bolter or multi-melta option.
With the reveal today of the Newcromunda Sentry Guns, maybe there's a different version coming to 40k/Kill Team as an environmental piece?
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Cyel wrote:I'd love to see more monsters. Man-sized humanoids vs other man-sized humanoids doesn't excite me in the slightest when repeated for the last 10 sets. Terrain is similarly bland and repetitive.
After the Octarius box, setting a nice bar for uniqueness, it has been a steady decline.
As unpopular of an opinion as it may sound, Octarius(a launch box for what was effectively a whole new game/season) feels like it set a bad precedent, with an expectation that every single box would be similar with super unique terrain.
Warcry does pretty well with how unique terrain for different seasons is. Last autumn I was really hoping for some Tyranid vanguard monsters (Lictors?) vs characterful Exodites in some jungle/ruined Eldar shrine... Current season's terrain and teams proved to be such terrible disappointment. How many more mechanicum structures do people really need?
Cyel wrote: Warcry does pretty well with how unique terrain for different seasons is.
Is that so?
I don't pay close attention to Warcry (basically just keeping an eye out for Mordheim/Necromunda proxy material, which it provides a lot of) but the terrain in it has always seemed very underwhelming and samey to me.
Slatted wood platforms. Sometimes they're in a tree. Sometimes they're above a sarlacc. But at the end of the day it all seems to be sloppy wooden platforms and bridges.
Cyel wrote: Warcry does pretty well with how unique terrain for different seasons is.
Is that so?
I don't pay close attention to Warcry (basically just keeping an eye out for Mordheim/Necromunda proxy material, which it provides a lot of) but the terrain in it has always seemed very underwhelming and samey to me.
Slatted wood platforms. Sometimes they're in a tree. Sometimes they're above a sarlacc. But at the end of the day it all seems to be sloppy wooden platforms and bridges.
For me it's quite unique, I don't remember any GW terrain like that in my ~30y of history of following what the company produces.
More or less ruined imperial structures on the other hand ...
Also note how different this terrain is between seasons. Ruined fortress repurposed to chaos outpost, dungeons, carnivorous trees on giant skeletal remains. While in KT:
-Last 10 sets or so had imperial structures. What should we do this time? A Dark Eldar torture dungeon? A Tau mountain outpost? A Chaos shrine? An interior of a Tyranid ship?
-Maybe more imperial structures?
I mean we already have the perfect blueprint for a Tyranid KT in Marco Schulze's awesome one.
Sorry but I do not get that reference. Who?
I have never seen that one, thanks for sharing
This KT was used in a WD battle report back then (with Phil Kelly's old rules, when there was only one player used a Kill team against several goon squads (overview). Was a funny match against orks.
This KT was used in a WD battle report back then (with Phil Kelly's old rules, when there was only one player used a Kill team against several goon squads (overview). Was a funny match against orks.
GaroRobe wrote: Definitely would swap the iconwards blade so the knife fighter has a matching pair. Not sure why he wouldn’t use two xeno blades to begin with
Maybe they're like crysknives and every member only has one(?)
Not sure how this lot blended in when their Sergeant has a honking-great genestealer arm. Wear bandanas all you want, the jig is already up. These guys are way more overt than the last lot.
GaroRobe wrote: Definitely would swap the iconwards blade so the knife fighter has a matching pair. Not sure why he wouldn’t use two xeno blades to begin with
Maybe they're like crysknives and every member only has one(?)
Then the one who rides the biggest Mawloc ever seen must be Lisan Al-Tyranid!
Shakalooloo wrote: Not sure how this lot blended in when their Sergeant has a honking-great genestealer arm. Wear bandanas all you want, the jig is already up. These guys are way more overt than the last lot.
The sergeant seems to be the model with the shotgun, the full-on Tyranid arm is labeled as a "Commander".
Shakalooloo wrote: Not sure how this lot blended in when their Sergeant has a honking-great genestealer arm. Wear bandanas all you want, the jig is already up. These guys are way more overt than the last lot.
It can't help that they wear bandanas to conceal the lower, human-like, part of their faces and leave the ridges on full display, either! Not smart, these fanatics.
I'd be inclined to use mostly regular Cadian heads myself, with maybe the odd bald one to represent hybrid leaders. There are enough bits in this kit to mark it out as a GC unit without the heads.
Shakalooloo wrote: Not sure how this lot blended in when their Sergeant has a honking-great genestealer arm. Wear bandanas all you want, the jig is already up. These guys are way more overt than the last lot.
Spray it with some metallic like gunmetal or gold and claim it’s a bionic. Just needs some glued on blinky lights….
Shakalooloo wrote: Not sure how this lot blended in when their Sergeant has a honking-great genestealer arm. Wear bandanas all you want, the jig is already up. These guys are way more overt than the last lot.
Spray it with some metallic like gunmetal or gold and claim it’s a bionic. Just needs some glued on blinky lights….
That’s what they do in a short story. They put metal bits over mutated arms and pretend they’re with the ad mech. It doesn’t really work though
I know this isn’t the first set to give Brood Brothers mutations or forehead ridges, but I still don’t like the look on them. BB were meant to be regular humans under the sway of the coven.
While that’s true enough, to come “under the sway” of the coven you have to have been infected by a genestealer and the change to have progressed enough that you are slightly psychic (receptive to the broodmind). Maybe that all comes with baldness and bumpy foreheads?
I mean if you don't want your genestealer hybrid guardsmen to look like genestealers, there is a super easy way to do that. The kit comes with all the normal Cadian bits, so just use those. But certainly the whole point of having an upgrade kit is to mark them visually as genestealer hybrids?
Crimson wrote: I mean if you don't want your genestealer hybrid guardsmen to look like genestealers, there is a super easy way to do that. The kit comes with all the normal Cadian bits, so just use those. But certainly the whole point of having an upgrade kit is to mark them visually as genestealer hybrids?
Brood Brothers aren't hybrids, though. That's like giving Gue'vesa hooves. From a fluff perspective this release is extremely poor.
I'm in the "brood brothers are human" camp. In the original fluff, brood brothers are the literal brothers and sisters of actual hybrids born to infected parents. Utterly loyal to the cult, but not actually alien themselves. The Imperial Guard were rigorous in screening out mutations, so any overt alien characteristics would be instantly weeded out.
Everyone is of course free to model how they want, but in my army the brood brothers are physically identical to regular guardsmen unless they dress or decorate themselves differently.
PDFs on worlds with high mutation levels could well accept this type of thing. Assuming of course all your brood brothers aren't running their version of capita and fiddling the recruitment.
Souleater wrote: I know this isn’t the first set to give Brood Brothers mutations or forehead ridges, but I still don’t like the look on them. BB were meant to be regular humans under the sway of the coven.
I agree. When I played my 5th-7th ed Genestealer Cult (standard Guard rules), the bulk of my troops were brood brothers and the only "mutation" were their white staring eyes (a nod to how hypnotized characters look in anime/manga). I saved my hybrids for officers and elites.
This was my company command:
When GSC got a genuine codex and new models for the first time in decades, I removed my hybrids to a dedicated detachment and created a new company command for my Brood Brothers:
Souleater wrote: I know this isn’t the first set to give Brood Brothers mutations or forehead ridges, but I still don’t like the look on them. BB were meant to be regular humans under the sway of the coven.
I agree. When I played my 5th-7th ed Genestealer Cult (standard Guard rules), the bulk of my troops were brood brothers and the only "mutation" were their white staring eyes (a nod to how hypnotized characters look in anime/manga). I saved my hybrids for officers and elites.
This was my company command:
When GSC got a genuine codex and new models for the first time in decades, I removed my hybrids to a dedicated detachment and created a new company command for my Brood Brothers:
Souleater wrote: I know this isn’t the first set to give Brood Brothers mutations or forehead ridges, but I still don’t like the look on them. BB were meant to be regular humans under the sway of the coven.
I agree. When I played my 5th-7th ed Genestealer Cult (standard Guard rules), the bulk of my troops were brood brothers and the only "mutation" were their white staring eyes (a nod to how hypnotized characters look in anime/manga). I saved my hybrids for officers and elites.
This was my company command:
Spoiler:
When GSC got a genuine codex and new models for the first time in decades, I removed my hybrids to a dedicated detachment and created a new company command for my Brood Brothers:
Awesome army! I once started a GSC army that was going to use Nid rules (cultists as guants and so on) never got far.
Heads could have face masks, miners goggles as we see already.
Heads would be human (they aren’t hybrids) but could be shaven to show kinship with the ‘blessed’. A pre-battle mark of devotion could be cuts made across the forehead to echo the forehead ridges.
Mainly, I want to be able to swap out Imperial symbols here and there, or add them to vehicles, etc.
Lord Damocles wrote: 'Lets just shoot our giant tractor beams at this space hulk we haven't bothered to investigate. We're not idiots.'
I could see some greedy and overconfident leaders doing that. It's even possible that they had plans for keeping any occupants under control, though those plans would have involved the hulk staying intact instead of breaking into numerous pieces that landed all over the planet.
Disappointed in the Cults upgrade sprue. Would have liked to have seen more Cult related trinkets and icon type things. Basically just heads and the killteam arms.
Dawnbringer wrote: Disappointed in the Cults upgrade sprue. Would have liked to have seen more Cult related trinkets and icon type things. Basically just heads and the killteam arms.
I mean, what were you expecting? It's an upgrade frame based Kill Team.
I'm disappointed they couldn't be bothered to produce a transfer sheet and instead just hucked in the Cadian one.
Someone said the box is decent conversion fodder for Hive Secundus, and I can kinda see that, but outside that it's the most forgettable KT box in a long time.
Even the terrain is a bit skippable. It's nice medium Los blocker, but otherwise we have crates, we have plasma generators, and this is a bit of both that doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would you want to go inside a plasma reactor with a big hatch? And why not invest a bit more and make it the size and compatible of munitorum containers? Then it could go on a ridgehauler as well. It's fine, but could fit into something like Infinity just fine.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Even the terrain is a bit skippable. It's nice medium Los blocker, but otherwise we have crates, we have plasma generators, and this is a bit of both that doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would you want to go inside a plasma reactor with a big hatch? And why not invest a bit more and make it the size and compatible of munitorum containers? Then it could go on a ridgehauler as well. It's fine, but could fit into something like Infinity just fine.
Agreed.
As it is, those two bits of terrain just make me think of 40k Portaloos.
Primary use case is Necromunda, where a terrain collection literally cannot have enough medium-small scatter terrain. Bonus points for coming in a pair, which is great for setting up little sectional vignettes on a board.
The pieces are stolidly generic, useful for multiple games and scales. They have none of the screamingly loud, smutty design you see on something like the Haemotrope Reactor.
Some of the complaints above verge on goofy. The doors lead to a cramped maintenance crawlspace, big deal. And it's insane to wish these were stackable with the munitorum containers. Why would you ever want to stack a piece of terrain that gives "transient, temporary, ad hoc" with another piece that gives "permanent, planned, immovable"?
Primary use case is Necromunda, where a terrain collection literally cannot have enough medium-small scatter terrain. Bonus points for coming in a pair, which is great for setting up little sectional vignettes on a board.
The pieces are stolidly generic, useful for multiple games and scales. They have none of the screamingly loud, smutty design you see on something like the Haemotrope Reactor.
Some of the complaints above verge on goofy. The doors lead to a cramped maintenance crawlspace, big deal. And it's insane to wish these were stackable with the munitorum containers. Why would you ever want to stack a piece of terrain that gives "transient, temporary, ad hoc" with another piece that gives "permanent, planned, immovable"?
Well, seeing as I'm the biggest commenter re. compatibility with the munitorum containers...
They look like they are intended to be portable generators, like the 40k equivalent of a portable diesel generator (except plasma, because 40k), rather than fixed infrastructure like the haemotrope reactors and thermic plasma regulators. So it is reasonable to wonder if a portable device fits in standard Imperial cargo haulers that are compatible with the containers and promethium tanks. I could see these being transported on the back of a cargo-8 ridgehauler... if they fit.
As for dimensions, they look taller but shorter than the containers.
I guess I don't see what advantage stacking would give anyone that stacking two munitorum containers doesn't. Other than the inherent satisfaction of playing adult lego with modular parts of a collection.
Altruizine wrote: I guess I don't see what advantage stacking would give anyone that stacking two munitorum containers doesn't. Other than the inherent satisfaction of playing adult lego with modular parts of a collection.
I like the idea partly from a lore perspective- STC equipment designed to the same standards- and partly from a modelling perspective where it would be cool to have a full Cargo-8 with 1 plasma cube, 1 promethium tanks, and a couple of containers as part of a convoy. That tells a nice narrative of a logistics unit moving to set up a forward depot.
Got the reactor blocks from ebay, skipping the rest as planned. Kind of looking forward to KT24 to be honest, Bheta-Decima season has been a big miss for me
Dawnbringer wrote: Disappointed in the Cults upgrade sprue. Would have liked to have seen more Cult related trinkets and icon type things. Basically just heads and the killteam arms.
I mean, what were you expecting? It's an upgrade frame based Kill Team.
The old brood brothers upgrade sprue which was smaller had pouches and daggers that were gsc themed, as well as a couple bits to put on chimeras etc.
Dawnbringer wrote: Disappointed in the Cults upgrade sprue. Would have liked to have seen more Cult related trinkets and icon type things. Basically just heads and the killteam arms.
I mean, what were you expecting? It's an upgrade frame based Kill Team.
The old brood brothers upgrade sprue which was smaller had pouches and daggers that were gsc themed, as well as a couple bits to put on chimeras etc.
You mean the Genestealer Cult Upgrade Sprue/Hybrid Upgrade Pack? I mention that name to make it clear: it's there for you to add Hybrid characteristics and Genestealer Cult iconography to Guard models. Also worth mentioning that the old frame is seemingly still available, albeit out of stock right now.
With any luck, this upgrade frame coming with the Brood Brothers means there's a dedicated unit in the GSC book, since it's giving some potential unit upgrades in addition to the iconography that can be added to other stuff.
I like the idea partly from a lore perspective- STC equipment designed to the same standards- and partly from a modelling perspective where it would be cool to have a full Cargo-8 with 1 plasma cube, 1 promethium tanks, and a couple of containers as part of a convoy. That tells a nice narrative of a logistics unit moving to set up a forward depot.
The lore is that these are relics, shipped out from Forge Worlds to power Mechanicus infrastructure.
Altruizine wrote: The pieces are stolidly generic, useful for multiple games and scales. They have none of the screamingly loud, smutty design you see on something like the Haemotrope Reactor.
*looks at the Haemotrope Reactor that's awaiting more paint*
I'm new to KT, and so a lot of the dataslate is existing changes. can i get a TLDR on the recent changes (and especially how they effect my main teams of wyrmblade, talons, and quins)?
I'm not a KT player either, but looking at the PDF, you need to read pages 1 & 5 - I don't see anything referencing "Talons", unless the name for that Kill Team has changed.
New changes are apparently marked with a * bullet point instead of a circular one, which seems a really bad way of doing it.
I don't see any new points raised for Wyrmblade or Void-Dancer Troupe, though.
Understandable, yet I am more irked my a game where I am very likely to lose just because one team is inherently stronger than another. So I appreciate the active effort to maintain a more level playing field.
However, if one plays casually and never gets really good with a given, strong team, then one need not keep up with these changes.
Seriously, I liked rulebooks but in the era of living rules can't be bothered to buy them for any system I play. I wish GW went the route other games have gone (like Warmachine or ASOIAF) and offered free, always updated rules online or in an app with printable unit cards.
As much as I don't like reading on a screen, I dislike paying for and having a ton of paper rules that are already out of date on release even more.
Haighus wrote: Plus the rulebooks can be pretty rubbish for non-rules content.
I have Chalnath and they can't keep the names straight and don't even explain why the battle for the Vedik system is called warzone Chalnath...
Yeah, that Chalnath thing gets me too. I think it's mentioned once, on the back of the book, that it's the sector of the galaxy it's all set in, but nowhere else.
Haighus wrote: Plus the rulebooks can be pretty rubbish for non-rules content.
I have Chalnath and they can't keep the names straight and don't even explain why the battle for the Vedik system is called warzone Chalnath...
Yeah, that Chalnath thing gets me too. I think it's mentioned once, on the back of the book, that it's the sector of the galaxy it's all set in, but nowhere else.
Yeah, the "Chalnath Expanse" is mentioned in the blurb on the back, and nowhere else. Really bad writing.
They also reference an agri world that is different to the one in the very same system. I think that was probably an earlier name for the agri world that got left in by accident.
A handful of nice art pieces at least.
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Kanluwen wrote: Chalnath came out as part of the first "season", where we kept hopping around different warzones.
We started with Octarius, then Nachmund then Chalmath then Moroch.
Most of them got articles in White Dwarf about the warzones. It felt like there was some issues with book printing.
A White Dwarf article is helpful, but doesn't excuse the poor lore writing in the main book.
Don't you think such fluff pieces are now written by an AI, probably just redacted afterwards? It's just repatitive generic descriptions of repetitive generic events, even if these are supposed to sound "epic".
Well, of course they've always had, how to put it ...negative literary value, but now the same level (or lack thereof) may be achieved with much less effort with AI.
My friend used AI to generate fluff intros to his YT Warmachine battle reports amd they looked exactly like GW fluff pieces.
Cyel wrote: Don't you think such fluff pieces are now written by an AI, probably just redacted afterwards? It's just repatitive generic descriptions of repetitive generic events, even if these are supposed to sound "epic".
Well, of course they've always had, how to put it ...negative literary value, but now the same level (or lack thereof) may be achieved with much less effort with AI.
My friend used AI to generate fluff intros to his YT Warmachine battle reports amd they looked exactly like GW fluff pieces.
Certainly, the background in the current codexes just 'remix' that from each previous iteration, moving words around in sentences and throwing in the odd synonym. I think an AI would actually be more creative than that.
I see all through this thread that new campaign sets get released and snapped up in minutes, yet, Termination is still widely available. Are people not interested in Genestealers vs. Space Dwarfs? Is it the boring terrain? Or did GW just make plenty this time?
Also, has there been any talk about when we might see a standalone KT box for the Night Lords?
Aspiring Champion wrote: I see all through this thread that new campaign sets get released and snapped up in minutes, yet, Termination is still widely available. Are people not interested in Genestealers vs. Space Dwarfs? Is it the boring terrain? Or did GW just make plenty this time?
Also, has there been any talk about when we might see a standalone KT box for the Night Lords?
Only my personal opinion, but I skipped it because of the terrain. Previous releases gave you an entire table of corridors or gantry’s, etc. This one basically gives you two shoeboxes. Not only is it boring and lacking in coverage, they have no real compatibility with other terrain series and are also super easy to proxy or scratch build. Just not worth it.
Same for me - the terrain didn't do it for me. The old corridors and the before that the warzone specific team was really cool and provided a lot for 40k and other games as well.
Now they separated the terrain out because of supposed player feedback - the new terrain with half height gantries isn't really new, it's similar to previous stuff, provides little cover and honestly can be easily scratch build.
The extra terrain in the team releases was really strange.
The latest was just the worst in an ever more downhill experience. It also didn't help that the new kill teams weren't as usable for me as the those in the space hulk themed boxes.
I was really excited when the rumors were about a jungle planet with more natural terrain - but the trees in warcry looked really weird, so maybe it's a good thing this didn't come to pass...
They went from cool ork specific terrain and modular corridors to a pair of cubes that don't connect with other terrain. It would have been easy to make them slightly different to the point they could fit on the ridgehauler like the prometheum tanks do.
MajorWesJanson wrote: They went from cool ork specific terrain and modular corridors to a pair of cubes that don't connect with other terrain. It would have been easy to make them slightly different to the point they could fit on the ridgehauler like the prometheum tanks do.
Everything from this season was supposed to be Mechanicus based. The two cubes are Plasma Generatorums; things that are shipped between Forge Worlds to keep a kind of 'holy spark'.
The Hernkyn are there for them to keep an AI core active.
since it seems to be agreed that this pertains to the Vespids vs Scions rumor, i'm moving this here— very exciting, if this turns out to be true. really looking forward to seeing vespids done justice with modern sculpts
Tau don't need another bespoke Kill Team, especially one that is traditionally an auxiliary unit known for providing a singular troop type.
Maybe they will work like Aspect Warriors = mixed unit with other Tau ones? Or they will introduce previously unknown Vespid side, with more specialised sub-species?
Tau don't need another bespoke Kill Team, especially one that is traditionally an auxiliary unit known for providing a singular troop type.
Maybe they will work like Aspect Warriors = mixed unit with other Tau ones? Or they will introduce previously unknown Vespid side, with more specialised sub-species?
Or we just don't do anything with them, and instead start using KT as a way to add more Guard Regiments.
Tau don't need another bespoke Kill Team, especially one that is traditionally an auxiliary unit known for providing a singular troop type.
Maybe they will work like Aspect Warriors = mixed unit with other Tau ones? Or they will introduce previously unknown Vespid side, with more specialised sub-species?
Or we just don't do anything with them, and instead start using KT as a way to add more Guard Regiments.
Tau don't need another bespoke Kill Team, especially one that is traditionally an auxiliary unit known for providing a singular troop type.
Maybe they will work like Aspect Warriors = mixed unit with other Tau ones? Or they will introduce previously unknown Vespid side, with more specialised sub-species?
Or we just don't do anything with them, and instead start using KT as a way to add more Guard Regiments.
Seems like a win.
oh so the problem isn't with old things being updated, it's that your army isn't being pandered to. got it
Kanluwen wrote:Which is fine. The point is that Vespid would be a waste of a Kill Team slot.
Why?
If we need Tau gap-filling to be the order of the day?
Firesight Marksman and Sniper Drones plus a Fire Warrior KT.
Why those, and not Vespid? We do we need a Firesight Marksman, Sniper Drone and Fire Warrior Kill Team, as opposed to a Vespid one?
Kanluwen wrote:traditionally an auxiliary unit known for providing a singular troop type.
And this is how KT could possibly breathe some new life into an otherwise fairly neglected unit, and giving it some flavour in a game mode that's great at providing that bespoke flavour.
We could see some really cool new niches in the Vespid culture shown off in these models.
All this chatter about a "wasted Kill Team slot" but not one mention about the Beastmen Kill Team ?
Seriously, IMO, I find that to be a bigger waste than possibly exploring Vespid with new plastic models. Frankly, I think Beastmen in 40K is anachronistic and uninspired. They were dragged in from Fantasy decades ago when 40K was Rogue Trader and GW needed filler models. I'd much rather have new aliens.
Again, just my opinion. At this point I think Kill Team offers a LOT of team options and whatever else we get is gravy.
As an aside, I also play 40KRPGs and I don't even bother with Beastmen in those settings. My personal reference, opinion, dislike and no different than someone not wanting Vespid.
Myrthe wrote: All this chatter about a "wasted Kill Team slot" but not one mention about the Beastmen Kill Team ?
Seriously, IMO, I find that to be a bigger waste than possibly exploring Vespid with new plastic models. Frankly, I think Beastmen in 40K is anachronistic and uninspired. They were dragged in from Fantasy decades ago when 40K was Rogue Trader and GW needed filler models. I'd much rather have new aliens.
I think the only problem with the beastman kill team was that they didn’t try to match the style of the beastmen from Blackstone Fortress or that one character from Necromunda. They should have given them pants and flak armor and pistols. Instead, they just look like someone did a lazy job converting fantasy monsters into 40K.
But I’m probably in the minority who think beastmen ought to be allowed in Imperial Guard armies. Not all mutations have to be a result of chaos.
Good grief that was just piss poor. Surely they can find someone with a hint of talent to write these little short stories. I've read better fan fiction.
The previous one with the vague hints and redacted overload felt tedious. So did this. Might be a platform for untested writers since it won't make GW any money directly?
Geifer wrote: The previous one with the vague hints and redacted overload felt tedious. So did this. Might be a platform for untested writers since it won't make GW any money directly?
I would not be shocked if it's material from a War Zone book that didn't happen.
S1 of KT had Octarius, Chalnath, and the Nachmund Gauntlet/Vigilus.
Octarius and Vigilus both had warzone books accompany them.
It's not a story, it's a tease. There's no plot or character development, only the obscure hints at something to come next, no better than an MCU post-credits scene.
So do you think we'll have the reveal this Monday or next? Definitely feels like it's going to be a Monday reveal and probably ahead of the AoS preview on the 10th.
With Warcry going up for Preorder this weekend, that just leaves HH mechanicus doesn't it?
Nova seems the most likely, its at the end of the month. Lets them finish up the article series, do the reveal, and have the new box ready for Christmas time (if not earlier)
Tastyfish wrote: Chalnath part III featuring Komandos infiltrating an Imperial city/manufacturing district. Wasn't expecting another one of these.
Could this be a hint at a new starter set to come out alongside the next season of Kill Team? With Imperial terrain over Ork.
They mention some super weapon so maybe some Titan or super heavies contruction yards?
That's this season's macguffin, everyone is sneaking around because the Imperials have some kind of interplanetary weapon on a world called Volkus that is letting them hold onto the critical Kessandras system (the lynchpin of Chalnath sector).
The imperials were referring to it as 'the Alpha Asset' in the first dispatch, the Tau confirmed it was a weapon in the second.
Tastyfish wrote: Chalnath part III featuring Komandos infiltrating an Imperial city/manufacturing district. Wasn't expecting another one of these.
Could this be a hint at a new starter set to come out alongside the next season of Kill Team? With Imperial terrain over Ork.
They mention some super weapon so maybe some Titan or super heavies contruction yards?
That's this season's macguffin, everyone is sneaking around because the Imperials have some kind of interplanetary weapon on a world called Volkus that is letting them hold onto the critical Kessandras system (the lynchpin of Chalnath sector).
Which would/could point to some Imperial terrain as you suggested or maybe even some pre-Imperial one if that weapon is some Dark Age of Technology one.
the valrak stuff that gets posted here is pretty much always right. not sure why people are still so dubious of him when he's usually pretty damn accurate, down to the contents of battleforces
sabotaging their rules for three editions, junk the Reiver sprue, make a new one with proper melee weapons/alt build, and replace silly batman rope guns with optional jump attachment to their grav parachutes (and maybe make them into phobos vanguard veteran equivalent, after all they do the most dangerous/important jobs)...
