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I saw the new SM codex tonight at GW retail store.

For sure things......

First 50 pages are fluff....history of Ultramarines amongst other things

Codex is 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch thick....thick as dvd movie case, or so

Marines are still 15 pts.

Tactical squads base price is 90 pts, includes vet sgt, but he is not called vet sgt.

Marneus Calgar 250 pts

Tigerius 220 or 230 pts (sorry on this one) with 2 wounds and BS 4

New Land Speeder holds 5 scouts (scouts only)

Redeemer Land Raider carries 12 troops

Tank IC is 70 pts, increases tank to BS 5

Predator starts at 60 pts armed with autocannon. Add HB sponsons for 25 or LC for 60 pts

Tech Marine is 50 pts. Can have 4 servitors, only 2 can carry heavy weapons

Apothecary is auto in command squad and he gives squad FNP as long as he is alive.

Landspeeders are 50 pts, adding AC is 40 pts

Hunter Killer missiles are 10 pts

It has become foggy (my memory) I just glanced over it and drove 100 miles in rain storm after seeing it.

If this has been discussed already sorry in advance......

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:Landspeeders are 50 pts, adding AC is 40 pts

This one I knew already, but it's no less funny.


A big 'hurray' for overbalancing!!!

BYE

Something is overpriced at 80? Quick, make it 90!

Tigerius 220 or 230 pts (sorry on this one) with 2 wounds and BS 4
and can cast 3 psychic powers a turn. Eldred is pissed, to be sure.

New Land Speeder holds 5 scouts (scouts only)
The LS is bought from Fast attack, but the scouts are troops, so I'd assume still scoring

Tank IC is 70 pts, increases tank to BS 5
and the tank can't be stunned or shaken

Shrike gives his army 'fleet', and the squad he's in 'infiltrate'
Vulcan gives Mastercrafter hammers, twin linked flamers and meltas.

If you take a bike mounted Captain, bikes are troops.

Master of the Forge has the Cbeamer, and lets you take dreads as heavies or elites.

Vanguard that deepstrike can assault if they don't shoot or run.

one honorguard squad per chaptermaster, up to 10 in the squad, come with power weapons and artificer armor, 2 attacks, banner that adds 1 attack, and can be given other weapons.

Chapter Masters can drop an orbital strike: large blast, AP1, str10.

what about costs for scouts(w/sniper rifles and/or camo cloaks)?
how much is the typhoon missile launcher for the land speeder?

mothman_451 wrote:what about costs for scouts(w/sniper rifles and/or camo cloaks)?
how much is the typhoon missile launcher for the land speeder?

Sorry didn't look at everything.....

what about storm shields on librarians
dreadnaughts with assault cannons and heavy flamers
combi weapons for anyone

Also, saw the new drop pod

Solid model. missile launcher or storm bolter is inside and spins. Very detailed. Doors open well, lay flat and close staying up when you let go. Almost too much detail inside pod.

I compare sturdiness of model to that of Land Raider.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:Landspeeders are 50 pts, adding AC is 40 pts

This one I knew already, but it's no less funny.


A big 'hurray' for overbalancing!!!

BYE

The problem is that the old model landspeeders are old and don't run as well as they used to so they require a lot of points to be able to carry an AC.

Fortunately the new model scoutspeeders are new so they will be capable of carrying new rules and won't require nearly as many points to operate.

Don't worry though. In a couple of years it will be noticed that no one uses the old landspeeder anymore so a new model landspeeder will be released and because it's new it will go back to requiring less points and maybe have new rules.

Another new thing, haven't seen this anywhere: Servitors now do nothing on a 1-2 on a D6, tested for every turn. They pass automatically when accompanied by a techmarine/Master of the Forge. They can be bought as separate units though, and not as gear for the techmarine. Didn't check out unit size, costs, etc. unfortunately. Not optimal at all, but will be fun rules to use for some custom scenario battles.

Savnock wrote:Servitors now do nothing on a 1-2 on a D6, tested for every turn.

Can you tell they're not getting a new model kit?

BYE

Savnock wrote:Another new thing, haven't seen this anywhere: Servitors now do nothing on a 1-2 on a D6, tested for every turn. They pass automatically when accompanied by a techmarine/Master of the Forge. They can be bought as separate units though, and not as gear for the techmarine. Didn't check out unit size, costs, etc. unfortunately. Not optimal at all, but will be fun rules to use for some custom scenario battles.

Want to say servitor is 15 or 25 pts each with HB upgrade +10 pts. Don't hold that as stone cold truth, though.

Nicest thing I noticed (for me anyways) is that terminators can use the combat squad rule, so you can have six 5 man termies squads.

Not quite deathwing, but not bad.

Does the Terminator Sergeant have any options?

BYE

Nah, just the same old same old. Storm bolter, power weapon.

The entry is pretty generic as one might expect.

ATSKNF, Combat squads, Combat tactics

For every 5 men, you may have a heavy weapon. 5 man base @ 200 points, X points per termie thereafter. (Termies are the same price as they are now)

Cannot take a drop pod, but my take a landraider as a dedicated transport, which is really nice actually.

*looks at codex*
Cyclones and assault cannons are the same price. Assault cannon and Heavy flamer price hasn't changed.

why have they bothered saying the drop pod can carry 12/6 if you cant put termies in a drop pod (why cant they?)
what is the techmarine armed with to justify the points decrease(in comparison to BA/DA)i, did they get rid of anything(power wepaon, artificer armor, servo arm)

12 in a pod so you can add a character or two to the 10 man squad.

If I recall, techmarines still start with the servo arm and artificer, and then pay extra for the harness. Looked the same. Although they can fix a tank they are next to in the shooting phase, letting them move to a tank and fix it in the same turn.

mothman_451 wrote:why have they bothered saying the drop pod can carry 12/6 if you cant put termies in a drop pod (why cant they?)
what is the techmarine armed with to justify the points decrease(in comparison to BA/DA)i, did they get rid of anything(power wepaon, artificer armor, servo arm)

He must buy weapons from choices given. No power weapon to start, but he can get one.

mothman_451 wrote:why have they bothered saying the drop pod can carry 12/6 if you cant put termies in a drop pod (why cant they?)

I don't know.

I could see reasoning to allow 6 termies if the rules were transferred over to armies such as BT, etc... but since those codices are supposedly not getting a FAQ to upgrade the rules for consistency, it makes no darn sense.

i know about attaching the characters but it was not tnecessary to list 12/6 they could of just stated any ic can still join a drop pod squad even if they are already 10 man strong. im still wondering why termies cant have drop pods.
ok so the techmarine doesnt start with a power weapon now. which is fine because its not like he needed it and it would be cheaper just selecting it as normal now. maybe i'll include one in my army if they are only 50 points

@hellfury
exactly, so what was the point of them explaining it could fit 6 terminators, unless it will matter in the future
(if they redo DA/BA/BT, and when they put out Space Wolves and just want it consistent)

does anyone know points on scouts (base cost/snipers/camo cloaks/heavy bolters)?

That is actually really cool. 5 men with two Heavies, 5 men w/ a Character. Or just their Storm Bolters or whatever.

Good way to get Heavy Weapons into Elites (4 shots from Cyclones).

If it was proper Deathwing you could go shooty and close combat.

Wait, so Pred Destructors are only 85 points (10 points cheaper than C: DA and C: BA)? And Land Speeders with Assault Cannons are 90 (again 100 for DA)?

And I can take an entirely bike mounted army with a bike mounted captain?

Why would I use my C: DA anymore?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ozymandias wrote:Why would I use my C: DA anymore?

Don't worry Ozzy, I'm sure GW will release and FAQ to update the Dark Ange... wait... oh that's right. They're not.

Never mind.

BYE

i know, my friends want me to start ravenwing(one is DA battle company, the other deathwing), but the rules for SM are just better for everything except an av14 speeder, which i can live without. hopefully people understand and wont mind if i use the new rules

I am still going to play my DA, no matter if they do or don't release a FAQ. My Techmarines dont take a Force Org slot, my termies are Fearless and can mix weapons in the squad.

The new codex is great and I know I will get a copy, but I play DA for the fluff and the fact I enjoy the army, not purely for the rules benefits.

*gives all the loyalist players a sullen emo-renegade marine stare. eyeliner included*

It's not fair!

mothman_451 wrote:
what was the point of them explaining it could fit 6 terminators, unless it will matter in the future

The other possibility is that they want to make the unit entries flexible for people who don't use the army list from the book for whatever reason (special scenarios and such).

mothman_451 wrote:
exactly, so what was the point of them explaining it could fit 6 terminators, unless it will matter in the future
(if they redo DA/BA/BT, and when they put out Space Wolves and just want it consistent)

The only reason I can see for this is for the Space Wolves. Under their current FAQ Space Wolves use the Codex: Space Marine rules for drop pods but use their list for eligible units and one of those eligible units happens to be terminators.

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:

Marines are still 15 pts.

Ah, I see. So for the same price as chaos marines, they get ATSKNF, combat tactics, more weapon options and the like? Oh never mind, we have our generic daemons.