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Starting a new thread as the other one has maxed crit mass.

Please reference here for the earlier discussion and current rumors sticky.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/232594.page

I read that the merging of squads only applies to Platoon Infantry squads, so a platoon is still minimum 2 KP and the medic only affects 5 guys. Still havent seen confirmation on Heavy weapon squad size, 6 or 10. Hopefully 10 if they cant merge to get some extra wounds.

I dont know how many tourney lists will be fitting 6-7 Lemans in. Anything deep striking/turbo boosting/flanking could probably live through the 1-2 turns you put out with that and wreck the infantry. Put too much in tanks and its like the monolith, they just ignore the armor and kill the infantry so you can at best get a draw unless you clear the board.

What do we have for leadership now? LD8 is nice, but thats still a 28% chance of running, and without ID we lose a second chance to rally. I assume the CHQ standard will still allow a reroll within 12" but I doubt that will work through a vox. Though I will probably get a vox network anyway for orders. Do commissars still add +1 LD that works through Vox?

Edit: Does the rank fire order affect plasma guns? I assume you still get 0 shots >12" if you move.

Bah! long post squashed by the lock and IE.

Has anyone run any of their current army lists through the rumours to see how they look?

I'll do so later tonight.

I agree, the new power, just looking at this list is 6 Russ's in three squadrons of 2. Backed back tons of infantry, with as many penal squads as can be mixed in (assuming 50 points for a squad of 10) and a chimeras sprinkled in.

foil7102 wrote:I agree, the new power, just looking at this list is 6 Russ's in three squadrons of 2. Backed back tons of infantry, with as many penal squads as can be mixed in (assuming 50 points for a squad of 10) and a chimeras sprinkled in.

By current squadron rules your three LRs will be firing at the same target and Immobilized = Destroyed

I'm thinking 6 Russes and 3 Bassies. Massive firepower!!

I seriosuly cannot wait to blast the hell out my enemies with this new codex. It doesn't sound like I'll be changing too much, really, just using more armor per game.

I really do need to wait until we hear more about veterans though before I settle on one build.

I don't think that I can accurately display my feelings for this codex without getting banned.

This entire codex suffers from Sternguard Syndrome. What's next? 100 point Junior Officers? Screw you, Robin Cruddace.

I was excited for this codex until point costs came out. This codex is going to suck.

I went from wanting to buy Ogryns, Stormtroopers, and Valkyries to just the IG Codex itself and the Advisors. Of course, I'm assuming that the Advisors aren't going to suck as hugely as the rest of the crud I've read about.

Here I thought that the 3rd time was the charm. Well I was wrong. Thanks GW, you just lost around $200 from me. Of course, I'm sure some clown will make that up for me, so I guess you don't care.

Well good, because I don't care either. From this point on, I will only buy from Independent Retailers/Online indy retailers like the Warstore and Chaos Orc. I refuse to give GW my money if they can't even get a damned codex right the THIRD FETHING TIME.

ChaseMacKenzie wrote:

foil7102 wrote:I agree, the new power, just looking at this list is 6 Russ's in three squadrons of 2. Backed back tons of infantry, with as many penal squads as can be mixed in (assuming 50 points for a squad of 10) and a chimeras sprinkled in.

By current squadron rules your three LRs will be firing at the same target and Immobilized = Destroyed

Please read what I typed a little more closely and then comment again.

Vladsimpaler wrote:I don't think that I can accurately display my feelings for this codex without getting banned.

This entire codex suffers from Sternguard Syndrome. What's next? 100 point Junior Officers? Screw you, Robin Cruddace.

I was excited for this codex until point costs came out. This codex is going to suck.

I went from wanting to buy Ogryns, Stormtroopers, and Valkyries to just the IG Codex itself and the Advisors. Of course, I'm assuming that the Advisors aren't going to suck as hugely as the rest of the crud I've read about.

Here I thought that the 3rd time was the charm. Well I was wrong. Thanks GW, you just lost around $200 from me. Of course, I'm sure some clown will make that up for me, so I guess you don't care.

Well good, because I don't care either. From this point on, I will only buy from Independent Retailers/Online indy retailers like the Warstore and Chaos Orc. I refuse to give GW my money if they can't even get a damned codex right the THIRD FETHING TIME.

Wow and you havent even seen it yet. and your saying it sucks well if thats how you feel then why are you even in this hobby? just to cry about GW and how they dont do what you want?

I am really exited about this new codex. I think that it will be just as good as Starwars episode 1, Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull, or the Godfather 3. Can not wait!

foil7102 wrote:

ChaseMacKenzie wrote:

foil7102 wrote:I agree, the new power, just looking at this list is 6 Russ's in three squadrons of 2. Backed back tons of infantry, with as many penal squads as can be mixed in (assuming 50 points for a squad of 10) and a chimeras sprinkled in.

By current squadron rules your three LRs will be firing at the same target and Immobilized = Destroyed

Please read what I typed a little more closely and then comment again.

ohh wow, I am stupid...my mistake sir, squadrons of two was my going plan for LR or Basilisks, anything more than that seemed wasteful

foil7102 wrote:I am really exited about this new codex. I think that it will be just as good as Starwars episode 1, Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull, or the Godfather 3. Can not wait!

My thoughts exactly. In fact, consider yourself sigged.

@Deathmachine- Have you even read the rumors about this piece o' crud codex? I don't think so. Go read through the last 10 or so pages, and you'll see why I'm so pissed. Is it too much to ask for a codex that doesn't suck the big one? I guess so!

So, fluff-wise, what's the difference between conscripts and penal guys? Are the conscripts convicted felons that they just gave guns to? Are the penal legion fellas just hive gangers that wanna help out?

Necros wrote:So, fluff-wise, what's the difference between conscripts and penal guys? Are the conscripts convicted felons that they just gave guns to? Are the penal legion fellas just hive gangers that wanna help out?

When in history, 40k or the real world has a conscript ever been a convicted felon.

foil7102 wrote:I am really exited about this new codex. I think that it will be just as good as Starwars episode 1, Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull, or the Godfather 3. Can not wait!

OFF: I hope that was ironic... SW 1 is
ON: I'm looking forward this codex, need the extra tank support.

@Foil: I was thinking the same thing right now. 6 Leman Russ' in units of 2 backed by troops, I was thinking about going the veteran route and have 4 squads of 10 vets, but I'll have to see about regular troops.

But I just like the idea behind veterans though, supposedly they are 80pts for 10 men according to Col. Graves (sp??).

Vladsimpaler wrote:
@Deathmachine- Have you even read the rumors about this piece o' crud codex? I don't think so. Go read through the last 10 or so pages, and you'll see why I'm so pissed. Is it too much to ask for a codex that doesn't suck the big one? I guess so!

I share your passion for IG, but seriously man, you're not doing yourself a favor by getting this worked up over these rumors. There are still many contradictions amongst these last 10 or so pages. I know you just want a great army, as do I, but relax, take a deep breath, and a.) wait to see the codex in its entirety, and b.) try playing a couple of times with it before speed-dialing the Exterminatus order on GW.

Give it a solid month of playtime, and if after June 1 you feel the same way, I'll even 'QFT' a few of your rants.

ChaseMacKenzie wrote:

Necros wrote:So, fluff-wise, what's the difference between conscripts and penal guys? Are the conscripts convicted felons that they just gave guns to? Are the penal legion fellas just hive gangers that wanna help out?

When in history, 40k or the real world has a conscript ever been a convicted felon.

Black and Tan (UK), WWII Russia (where being late for work was a prisonable offence) and Germany. Whenever conscription is in force 'signing up' is often used as a form of rehabilitation for minor offences.

[edit] Last chancers, Human Bombs, Servitors, Penitent Engines and Arco Flagelants are all criminals.

ChaseMacKenzie wrote:

Necros wrote:So, fluff-wise, what's the difference between conscripts and penal guys? Are the conscripts convicted felons that they just gave guns to? Are the penal legion fellas just hive gangers that wanna help out?

When in history, 40k or the real world has a conscript ever been a convicted felon.

In WWII SS used convicted criminals and russan POWs. Direwangler and Kaminski brigades to break down rebellions in Poland and Slovakia. Read: John Keegan Second Wold War.

Yeah forgot about the russians. And every major army had a penal battalion- normal soldiers commited crimes against military law. British used to make them penal camps. Germans used them to mine clearing duty, so on.

Based on the info in the sticky post am I right in thinking that IG tanks can no longer take Storm Bolters?

Conscripts are draftees (or new troops). Penals are battalions of criminals-criminal or political- who are now working off their sentence.

Visualize operation Uranus and Enermy at the Gates

*Conscripts are the guys just pulled off the train and sent right into the fighting.

*Penal troops are criminals sent to attack first-backed by commissars with machine guns as motivation.

I am the thing...from Uranus!

I found them useless anyway. HS is better.

I like storm bolters on my command squads.

I really HATE arming my command troopers with any sort of CCW. Boltguns, stormbolters, plasma guns (especially now that they have FNP)... Lasguns are only if absolutely necessary!

ah.. for some reason I always thought for IG conscripts were fellas in prison given a chance to win their parole if the happened to live through a certain battle or something like that

I think its silly to get uppity over this. They clearly intend to emphasize the Guardsman over other aspects of the army. While IG armies have all these other bells and whistles it is the Guardsmen that are at the core and most common. I think it is irrational to get as emotional as some people here have when we haven't seen the book or even all the rules.

Everything those people say can be summed up here: "OMG WTF! 35pt Ogryn, 16pt Storm Troopers! What the hells... I quit and by that I mean I'm going to come back two months later and buy more "

My question is, what if when they come out Ogryn are worth 35 or more pts and Stormtrooper are worth 16 or more pts would they then be worth the cost? Simply yes, but we don't know what they're worth only what they cost. So we have to wait.

aka_mythos wrote:Everything those people say can be summed up here: "OMG WTF! 35pt Ogryn, 16pt Storm Troopers! What the hells... I quit and by that I mean I'm going to come back two months later and buy more "

QFT. I was wondering when we were going to get to this point with this codex. Happens with every new one.

aka_mythos wrote:some people here have when we haven't seen the book or even all the rules.

Everything those people say can be summed up here: "OMG WTF! 35pt Ogryn, 16pt Storm Troopers! What the hells... I quit and by that I mean I'm going to come back two months later and buy more "

Yepp. I am closely following the treads ( khm threads) and most people said that the new codex already, just based on rumors. I only play like 6 month but I already know there will be good stuff in it (if the rumors are true). LMR behemoth rule.

Flinty wrote:Based on the info in the sticky post am I right in thinking that IG tanks can no longer take Storm Bolters?

There was a storm bolter entry on the leaked reference sheet, so it's reasonable to believe they are still an option.

George Spiggott wrote:Bah! long post squashed by the lock and IE.

Has anyone run any of their current army lists through the rumours to see how they look?

I'll do so later tonight.

Here's my current list:

Imperial Guard Unit Roster – Cadian 12th Rifles

HQ: Command Platoon (672)
Command Squad led by a Captain Sumarkanth (Junior Officer) with Power Weapon, Veteran Medic, Veteran Standard Bearer (67)
Anti-Tank Squad, 3x Missile Launcher (95)
Anti-Tank Squad, 3x Missile Launcher (95)
Fire Support Squad, 3x Heavy Bolter (80)
Fire Support Squad, 3x Heavy Bolter (80)
Fire Support Squad, 3x Autocannon (95)
Fire Support Squad, 3x Autocannon (95)

HQ: Colonel-Commissar Gaunt (75) / Commissar with Power Weapon and Bolt Pistol (46)


EL: 10 Storm Troopers, 2x Meltagun, Veteran Sergeant Malik with Power Weapon and Meltabombs (126)
Chimera with hull Heavy Bolter, Multilaser, Pintle Heavy Stubber, Extra Armour and Smoke Launchers (105)
EL: 10 Storm Troopers, 2x Plasma Gun, Veteran Sergeant Solkar with Power Weapon and Meltabombs (126)
Chimera with hull Heavy Bolter, Multilaser, Pintle Heavy Stubber, Extra Armour and Smoke Launchers (105)
EL: Tech-Priest Enginseer Mandavya (45)

TR: Infantry Platoon (378)
Command Squad led by a Lieutenant Gautama (Junior Officer), 2x Flamer (53)
3x Infantry Squad with Lascannon and Plasma Gun (95 x3)
5 Remnants with Meltagun (40)

TR: Infantry Platoon (283)
Command Squad led by a Lieutenant Kachwa (Junior Officer), 2x Flamer (53)
2x Infantry Squad with Lascannon and Plasma Gun (95 x2)
5 Remnants with Meltagun (40)

TR: Armoured Fist Squad with Lascannon and Plasma Gun (95)
Chimera with hull HB, Multilaser, Pintle Heavy Stubber, Extra Armour and Smoke Launchers (105)

FA: Hellhound Intrepid with Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers, Pintle Heavy Stubber (135)
FA: Hellhound Pyros with Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers and Pintle Heavy Stubber (135)

HS: Leman Russ Battle Tank Devastation with hull Heavy Bolter (145)
HS: Leman Russ Battle Tank Warspite with hull Heavy Bolter, Improved Comms and Searchlight (166)
HS: Leman Russ Demolisher Sycamore with hull Lascannon, Plasma Cannon Sponsons, and Searchlight (186)
HS: Basilisk Thunderer with Indirect Fire (125)
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Total: 3111 points (152 models)(HQ: 682 (42 models), EL: 577 (27 models), TR: 960 (81 models), FA: 270 (2 models), HS: 622 (4 models))


The Hellhounds and the Heavy Support will be getting more expensive. The cheaper Chimeras will offset the increased price of the Stormtroopers. The Fire Support and Anti-Tank squads attached to the HQ will get moved to troops - I may also need to shuffle around some of the heavy weapons to best take advantage of the orders system. Remnants are gone, so those squads will be rolled up into Troops Squads. Likewise, I'll probably shift the Flamers out of the Command Squads. My models already have a vox-network, that has been down 'because of electrical interference' for years. That electrical storm will finally lift - probably leaving them at about the same price.

With 5th ed's cover saves, I may move the valuable Lascannons to a seperate squad and give the line troops Heavy Bolters instead.

(NB: This is the list of what I have available, so obviously it doesn't strictly conform with selection criteria.)