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Had enough of the rumours yet? Who wants some guard facts? I had chance to flick through the new dex so thought I would shed some light on a few things for you all. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone because the new book is uber! But i know you all want to know and I know you all like drooling ( this ones especially for our overseas dakka lovers, I've heard about the lack of black boxes heading your way. )

The french summary is correct. Everything on there is in the book. Plus a few more things are in there and a few things didn't translate too well.



The big one for me is heavy/special weapon squads are now added to your platoons not HQ. Means scoring heavys can sit on an objective.

Vets are troops. About time. Can take 3 options for different roles. Grenadiers / sentries / can't remember the other one. Bastonne is a cadian upgrade, likes shouting orders. Gunnery sergeant Harker is a Catachan devil upgrade, he loves dishing out 'payback'

Stormtroopers have the old school 'Lancashire hot pot' lasguns. Hellguns are not AP3 ! Hot shot lasguns are AP3 ( you can tell Robin cares ) Die marines Die. Get to choose a mini mission at deployment: orbital insertion / can't quite remember one, could be scout but don't hold me to it / infiltrate and they first round of shooting pins.

Leman Russ is one entry. Different points for different turrets / chassis. Now a vehicle squadron so immobilised makes me cry but hey, stunned = shaken. 1-3 of any variant in a squadron in any mix. All patterns can have pc/mm sponsons. Lumbering behemoth is confirmed: Turret weapon in addition to your normal allowance ( even if it is ordnance )

Primaris psyker is nails! does a shooting attack or nightshroud ( Just as reds8n says: enemy unit takes a Ld test to shoot at IG, EVEN ENEMY TANKS!!! but with ld10 )

Psyker battle squad is tasty. I can see the maxed out squad being used in every game if they are taken, more psykers = more psychic filth coming your way. The french Mentor is Overseer this side of the Chanel. Now is it just me or does that change his job title? He doesn't help as a Mentor should them he whacks them with a big stick if they get a little too daemony for his liking, as an Overseer should.

Valkries 1-3 as a fast attack, Vultures ( now pronounced Vendetta ) 1-3 as a fast attack. The rumoured throwing guardsmen out the back of a Valk while it is moving is true, just watch out for any branches on the way down. Transport capacity is the same as a Chimera. If anyone cares - the valk base is the same one as that wierd wingaling dragon from the lord of the rings ( check out his majesty ).

Speaking of Chimeras, 5 five fire points now. Do not have to be lasguns out the side anymore. Sounds like Hotshot drive bys to me. And from what i can remember everybody gets chimeras, exept ratlings ( where's the love? )

Marines are the elite so they split into combat squads. Guard platoons huddle together for warmth as rumoured. Can you count to 50?

The orders system is a beautiful, beautiful thing. Let me be the first to thank Robin Cruddance. If I ever see you, I owe you a strong one.

The best named rule in the book is called: 'Listen up, maggots!' Shouted by one of Cadias finest double act. ( I bet you can't guess which one? I'll give you a hint, it's not the one chewing a Bee. )

And saving the best until last: Penal legion. We've all seen the french stats. Are they a meatshield ? far from it. Basic grunt stats say nothing exciting but when deployed you roll to see what kind of criminals they are / what they have been up to recentley: Black market/tinkered lasguns OR on crack - fleet, move through cover and furious charge OR hmmm I'm not sure how to break it to you gently so i'll just say that if you were a convict and some guy said " Hey if you go and use your rending attacks on that Carnifex the Emperor will love you again " you'd take him up on that offer wouldn't you.

Enjoy.

Trust me there's even more than that in the book. Get down to your local GW on the double troopers and see for yourselves!

The IG Codex preview is up on their site...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=&categoryId=&pIndex=0&aId=13200003&start=1

Thanks for the info (even if most of it was known), but i am glad to see some passion

1. price on av12 sentinels, weapons?
2. price on commissars
3. can platoon command squads merge with infantry squads?
4. do IG officers have the "leadership" ability, and if not, how much to voxes cost?
5. Ogyrns, 40 points?
6. Sniper rifles, they 5 or 10 points, and can they be taken in infantry squads as a SW?
7. How many points for Creed/Kell? And do they give any other rules to help mission/1st turn?
8. So wait, Hellguns are not ap3, but Stormies have Hot Shot lasguns instead? So, what are hellguns, just S3 ap5? And does Creed have TL Hellgun pistol or Hot Shot laspistol? You have me rather confused here... lol

I don't mind giving out some info, but if you want points you're gonna have to get the dex.

1. Light sentinels have multilaser / heavy flamer / posibly auto cannon ( can't quite remember ). Heavy sentinels get the same as light plus lascannon / missile / heavy plasma

3. Platoon command stays independant from the merged platoon.

4. I didn't notice the leadership rule. I'm not saying it's not in ther but it pidn't punch me in the face while i was looking.

6. Infantry squads may take sniper rifles as a sw.

7. Especially since I play cadians I really should have looked to see if the get the first turn was still in there but i was too busy laughing my ass off at the listen up , maggots !

8. Yeah, hellguns are no more. they disappeared as quickly as they were made up. Stormtroopers now carry, as they always have and always should, hot shot lasguns.

Thanks for the clarifications

Do infantry squads come with voxes, or are they upgrades? If we lost Leadership, then voxes will be all but mandatory :(

Oh well, huge squads with FNP would of been nice, but i guess we will leave that option for more "green" armies.


I am looking forward to Penal Legion squads, if they really the same cost as an infantry squad, i think it will be fun to field a couple units of them No matter which ability they get, i am sure i can find a way to make them work in any game.

Hmmm, infantry squads with a 5pt Sniper Rifle and a 5pt Mortar... hmmm... this is madness.

Np, happy to help.

Again I really should have looked at voxes. With my army I just huddle around the company standard - to me a re roll is better than a better stat. I do have a bad feeling though that without leadership you're going to need them whether you pay for them or not. And hey, 5pts isn't so bad.

Penal legions do cost more than infantry squads, especially since they got cheaper. Think a little more than a veteran squad without sw / hw and you won't be too far off.

Well since infantry squads get a free Vet Sgt (ld8), not having Leadership will not hurt them too much.

However, HW/SW squads will suffer :(


Hmmm Penal Squads running over 80 points, not as good, but perhaps still usable.



Get a look at Conscripts? Would a 30man squad of conscripts run you more than 20 infantry? And can we give Conscripts a Commissar?

middle wrote:Np, happy to help.

Again I really should have looked at voxes. With my army I just huddle around the company standard - to me a re roll is better than a better stat. I do have a bad feeling though that without leadership you're going to need them whether you pay for them or not. And hey, 5pts isn't so bad.

Penal legions do cost more than infantry squads, especially since they got cheaper. Think a little more than a veteran squad without sw / hw and you won't be too far off.

I share BoxAnts concern about Voxes. It might be a small problem if they don`t come as integral equipment and we actually have to pay for them. 5pts is still 5pts, it all ads up. Especially if you have alot of squads to equip if your Regiment is infantry heavy ( like my Paratrooper regiment ).

Could you clarify:
Commissars are indeed 35 points and cannot take power fists?
Do commissar lords give you any special organization rules?
Approx how much is creed now? IG squad cost? Tank cost? Can you take creed without his standard bearer?
Anything about tech priests?
Does the rapid fire order only work on lasguns?

Conscripts haven't changed in points or stats. I know for sure that an Infantry squad can take a commissar for a little less than they are currently, but i'm not sure about commissars in conscript squads.

Conscripts btw are 20 - 50 same as now and add onto a platoon giving you a selection like this for a troops choice: Platoon command + 2-5 infantry squads + 0-5 hw squads +0-2 sw squads +0-1 conscript squad. Giving you a whopping 147 troopers for a single troops choice. I dare you to max out your six slots with just shy of 900 shiny bayonets.

Wow, they really don't cap the total number of squads?

Oh, and some conflicting reports on rough riders are coming in. Did you happen to notice if the lance counted as a power weapon?

I also read some of the BoLS rumors about Chenkov. Apparently as an order, he can take his conscripts out of the game and have them come back in at full strength on the next turn. I hope to see some clarification or validation of this.

I predicted that Stormtroopers would get a price raise and I guess they cost 16pts each now. But still, AP3 weapons are a fair deal.

middle wrote:If anyone cares - the valk base is the same one as that wierd wingaling dragon from the lord of the rings ( check out his majesty ).

Best reference I've read today.

ph34r: Your Commissars are bang on the points cost, I still rate them as over pointed for what they do. I'm afraid it is true about the power fists.

Nothing in the book changes the organization, leave that the the marines with their flexibility and planning. Everything stays where it is on the force org. Commisar lord is as far as I saw one of the only things that comes close to leadership. Radius around him and you aint gonna run. Commissar lord is an IC too, normal ones are not.

Creed is always with kell.

First rank fire! second rank, fire! is only for lasguns. However the HQ orders for twin linked or reroll to wound MC / +1 vs tanks affects all guns.

Tech priests are pretty much the same. No force org slot is nice And the servitors have the mindlock like marines. Suggests they can deploy without the tech priest but may be stupid.

Rough riders: I can't say i checked out their points cost but rest assured, they have not changed one bit. Lances are the same as they are now.

True about Chenkov. Al'Rahem and Chenkov are platoon command upgrades. It's quite pricey but yeah think conscripts with without number but you can take them off when they're below a useful number for a full squad if Chenkov is their platoon commander. Dead good, slightly expensive and only one conscript squad can do it.

Now, does that mean that if you have 4 conscripts left and do said order, you'll get 50 conscripts next turn. Assuming you took 50 to begin with.

It certainly does, you send them packing or bomb them to hell. Either way next turn you get what ever you bought originally ( weapons and all ).

middle wrote:ph34r: Your Commissars are bang on the points cost, I still rate them as over pointed for what they do. I'm afraid it is true about the power fists.

Can you tell us what squads can take a Commissar?

middle wrote:Rough riders: I can't say i checked out their points cost but rest assured, they have not changed one bit. Lances are the same as they are now.

So +2 Strength, +2 Initiative and Power weapon? It's just that I've heard rumors of them with just about any two of those, but not the trifecta.

Infantry squads definitely can have commissars. Didn't get much time so couldn't be sure which other squads can have them, although i'd be worried if HQ / platoon command couldn't have them.

I heard that conscripts are lasgun only guys now.

I can't wait for the banewolf.

I don't field conscripts so i wasn't too keen on looking them up in detail so I can not confirm that they still have hw / sw, BUT the Chenkov rule makes a note that they come back with whatever you bought for them so they still get something.

I'm going to have to leave it there for tonight folks, I'll be happy to look over any questions / worries in the morning. Leave them with me and i'll get back to you.

Night y'all

I hope conscripts could still take flamers, the rest is gravy.

middle wrote:First rank fire! second rank, fire! is only for lasguns. However the HQ orders for twin linked or reroll to wound MC / +1 vs tanks affects all guns.

So just to make it crystal clear for everybody, "First rank fire! Second rank fire!" does or does not apply to Storm Troopers' "Hot shot lasguns"?

Thanks!

middle wrote:ph34r:
However the HQ orders for twin linked or reroll to wound MC / +1 vs tanks affects all guns.

are you confirming its twin linked PLUS a re-roll to wound/ +1 armor pen? if so 3 LC AT squads would be mini broadsides....

1.Can you give a ballpark cost of Creed and his bodyguard? Do they replace an officer in a CHQ or separate?
2. Can we have 2x CHQ?
3. Can we fire 5x special or heavy weapons out of a chimera now?
4. Is the Heavy Weapon Squad 3 teams or 3 teams and 4 guardsmen? Can they take a vox?
5. Are Twinlink and +1 armor pen separate orders? Who can give each?
6. Double check we dont get leadership bubbles or reroll from standard.
Thanks

1. What are Commissar Lords like? Do they effect orders, at all?
2. What are Priests like? Do they take up an HQ choice?
3. What is Commissar Yarrick like? What does his Wargear do?
4. What is Colonel Stracken like?
5. Can Vendettas transport people?
6. Can any squad receive orders? If not, which squads can't?
7. Does FRFSRF apply to Hot Shot Lasguns, or just normal Lasguns?
8. Do Hunting Lances still count as Power Weapons that provide +2 Strength, +2 Initiative on the charge?

Thanks, middle!

Thank you middle. Thank you very much.

The rumors I've heard so far is that in order to benefit from the orders rule, the order had to come down the chain of command. Company Command to platoon command to squad?
Does this mean that single squad troop and elite choices are left out or is this why we've heard rumors about some squad leaders being able to issue orders(rumored storms and/or vets)?
If so, do the vets, the storms, or both have this ability to make use of the orders system?

Next, is does the primaris psyker and choir get access to a chimera/valkerie?

Does the fleet officer do anything other than affect opponent reservs rolls?



Man, I'm loving the 5 firepoint and no longer only lasgun change.

Even though commissars are still over priced, I think 1 per platoon will be mandatory. If you merge your infantry squads, they *need* a commissar to prevent being swept.

If it is true, and RR actually still have their normal Lances (ignore armor, 5S 5I) they thankfully IG still has a cost effective counter-charge unit!

Man, i really hope voxes come for free!

Erm - I think Middle & I must have been reading different books.
Hotshot lasgun is a hellgun in my mind & is AP3
A Vandetta is not a Vulture - Vendetta can still carry troops while a Vulture is an out & out gunship.
Creed & Kell have different entries & therefore can be separate.
The only thing that can't get in a Valk are Ogryn - boo, no Ogryn skybourne :(.
Any weapon can fire out of a firepoint but I can't see a way of getting 5 special weapons in one squad - Chimera's are dedicated transports.
Heavy weapon & Special weapon squads are as before in number & make-up - ie 3 weapons shared between 6 guys.
There are 6 types of order. High command & some special character upgrade characters can issue 3 while junior officers get the other 3. I think High command can do the junior ones too.
Command squads have command radii - 12" for high & 6" for junior. I think commands can be relayed via a vox too.
Priests are as before where the don't take up an HQ slot (& you can have up to 5)
also you can get heavy flamers in command squads.

@ Khornatedemon - 3 different orders with 3 different abilities

@ Gestalt - if memory serves C is 80, K is 75

caveat - I am 35 and I don't always remember things as i should but am pretty confident about the above.

bubber wrote:Erm - I think Middle & I must have been reading different books.
Hotshot lasgun is a hellgun in my mind & is AP3
A Vandetta is not a Vulture - Vendetta can still carry troops while a Vulture is an out & out gunship.
Creed & Kell have different entries & therefore can be separate.
The only thing that can't get in a Valk are Ogryn - boo, no Ogryn skybourne :(.
Any weapon can fire out of a firepoint but I can't see a way of getting 5 special weapons in one squad - Chimera's are dedicated transports.
Heavy weapon & Special weapon squads are as before in number & make-up - ie 3 weapons shared between 6 guys.
There are 6 types of order. High command & some special character upgrade characters can issue 3 while junior officers get the other 3. I think High command can do the junior ones too.
Command squads have command radii - 12" for high & 6" for junior. I think commands can be relayed via a vox too.
Priests are as before where the don't take up an HQ slot (& you can have up to 5)
also you can get heavy flamers in command squads.

@ Khornatedemon - 3 different orders with 3 different abilities

@ Gestalt - if memory serves C is 80, K is 75

caveat - I am 35 and I don't always remember things as i should but am pretty confident about the above.

middle was just being... erm... "flowery" with how he described things. Did *you* see it written in the Codex as "Hellgun" or "Hot shot lasgun"?