So... Korean War 2?

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**Gwar!**

South Korean navy ship 'sinking near North'

A South Korean navy ship with about 100 personnel on board is sinking off the west coast near North Korea, possibly due to a torpedo attack, reports say.

The ship was sinking near Baengnyeong island, Yonhap news agency quoted navy officials as saying.

It also said the South Korean ship had fired shots toward an unidentified ship from the North.

There were no immediate reports of casualties, but a rescue operation was said to be under way, Yonhap reported.

The incident happened late on Friday night local time.

Now, I am no War Lawyer, but isn't torpedoing each other generally considered an act of war?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8589507.stm

**George Spiggott**

Sometimes.

**Cane**

Nope. This is more or less the norm for anyone whose been paying attention to the Korean peninsula. There's been skirmishes and casualties and makes the "Demilitarized Zone" seem pretty ironic.

**Ahtman**

Gwar! wrote:Now, I am no War Lawyer,

I think I found my new job.

**Gwar!**

Ahtman wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Now, I am no War Lawyer,

I think I found my new job.

I already have the reverse Job, that of a RaW Lawyer

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

Gwar! wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Gwar! wrote:Now, I am no War Lawyer,

I think I found my new job.
I already have the reverse Job, that of a RaW Lawyer

:Busy cleaning Sprite off his monitor:

**Kanluwen**

Cane wrote:Nope. This is more or less the norm for anyone whose been paying attention to the Korean peninsula. There's been skirmishes and casualties and makes the "Demilitarized Zone" seem pretty ironic.

This.

If I remember right, North Korea makes a habit of flinging shells dangerously close to the edge of the DMZ and hasn't hesitated to raid the South Korean side to nab soldiers for "reeducation" before.

**Vulcan**

One should never forget, the Korean War never actually ended.

What we have is the longest cease-fire in modern times. There is still officially a state of war between the two Koreas. The only reason there isn't a state of war between North Korea and the USA is that the USA never declared war on North Korea in the first place. Officially it was categorized as a 'police action.'

**Commissar Molotov**

Korean War II: Electric Boogaloo!

**Kanluwen**

Korean War II: The Korean Offensive?

**Mr. Burning**

Seems to be plenty of 'incidents' between North and South Korea. There have been a few more recent naval actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea

**Commissar Molotov**

The ship sank - as many as 60 S. Korean sailors are missing. Still not sure what caused the hull breach.

**Xyz'r'Xaz'r'Xuz**

Commissar Molotov wrote:The ship sank - as many as 60 S. Korean sailors are missing. Still not sure what caused the hull breach.

Betcha Elliot Carver is behind all of this...

**Sasori**

North and South Korea, are technically still at war.

**warpcrafter**

So basically now it's up to the south Koreans whether they want to resume hostilities at this point. However, though they will surely wipe Lil Kim and his huddling masses off of the face of the Earth, they would have to accept the total destruction of Seoul due to that one massive artillery barrage, possibly with a little nuclear flavor that the north would get off. Hmmm, if it were truly up to them, they probably wouldn't, but their masters the NWO may just want this as the next step in their nefarious plan.

**Dreadwinter**

Korean War 2: The Reckoning

**Cheese Elemental**

warpcrafter wrote:So basically now it's up to the south Koreans whether they want to resume hostilities at this point. However, though they will surely wipe Lil Kim and his huddling masses off of the face of the Earth, they would have to accept the total destruction of Seoul due to that one massive artillery barrage, possibly with a little nuclear flavor that the north would get off. Hmmm, if it were truly up to them, they probably wouldn't, but their masters the NWO may just want this as the next step in their nefarious plan.

Pretty much. They've really got SK's balls in a meat grinder.

**generalgrog**

Korean War II: The Wrath of Kim.

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GG

**Khornholio**

This is nothing new. The North Koreans butchered a bunch of guys in the DMZ with axes during the 60s. I can"t remember if the victims were ROK army or US army, but the North Koreans showed up in a truck and hacked a bunch of guys up.

**eldarbgamer13**

My grandfather was in the first war. He was a corporal (he siad the wasnt that bad, all he had to do was go on patrols and call in airstrikes). His stories influenced me to start imp. guard.

**Kanluwen**

Khornholio wrote:This is nothing new. The North Koreans butchered a bunch of guys in the DMZ with axes during the 60s. I can"t remember if the victims were ROK army or US army, but the North Koreans showed up in a truck and hacked a bunch of guys up.

US army that were clearing from an area that the NKs mislabelled as part of their turf, and not the actual DMZ.

**WarOne**

The political rammifications of the Koreas back at war would be incalculable. As it is, South Korea is vacillating that North Korea was not the cause and North Korea has not pegged itself as the cause yet for the explosion, IF they were the actual cause that is.

**Emperors Faithful**

In all likelihood, I believe the cuase of the problem was WarOne's avatar.

**WarOne**

Emperors Faithful wrote:In all likelihood, I believe the cuase of the problem was WarOne's avatar.

More likely cause:

Just think the dog is Brody and it was a faithful re-enactment of Jaws.

**sebster**

warpcrafter wrote:So basically now it's up to the south Koreans whether they want to resume hostilities at this point. However, though they will surely wipe Lil Kim and his huddling masses off of the face of the Earth, they would have to accept the total destruction of Seoul due to that one massive artillery barrage, possibly with a little nuclear flavor that the north would get off. Hmmm, if it were truly up to them, they probably wouldn't, but their masters the NWO may just want this as the next step in their nefarious plan.

It isn't just the damage that can be done to Seoul, there's the millions of refugees they'll have to accept afterwards. Germany found reunification really hard, and South Korea will be looking at reunifying a far poorer state without anywhere near as strong an economy of their own.

**WarOne**

sebster wrote:
warpcrafter wrote:So basically now it's up to the south Koreans whether they want to resume hostilities at this point. However, though they will surely wipe Lil Kim and his huddling masses off of the face of the Earth, they would have to accept the total destruction of Seoul due to that one massive artillery barrage, possibly with a little nuclear flavor that the north would get off. Hmmm, if it were truly up to them, they probably wouldn't, but their masters the NWO may just want this as the next step in their nefarious plan.

It isn't just the damage that can be done to Seoul, there's the millions of refugees they'll have to accept afterwards. Germany found reunification really hard, and South Korea will be looking at reunifying a far poorer state without anywhere near as strong an economy of their own.

In Germany's case, the infrastructure and relatively poor economic might of the East was seen as negative by the West Germans. East Germans didn't migrate in hordes to the West (but there was a population shift) because there really wasn't anywhere for East Germans to go. The unified government had to invest more money and resources into developing the East while providing resources to help the people who had real disadvantages versus the West (East Germans were not badly off; they developed on the fringe of the Western world and had access to some goods. The real issue was the integration of a people and a nation that was under the heel of Communist rule and a Socialist economy that deprived them of freedom and goods respectively (There is one story of East Berliners and Germans going to the Western supermarkets and buying citrus fruits in large quantities immediately after the Iron Curtain melted; many of them simply could not obtain the products in their home countries).

**gorgon**

It'll be many times more difficult for the North Koreans to adapt. When the Kim regime falls, reunification will be a long and messy process.

**sebster**

WarOne wrote:In Germany's case, the infrastructure and relatively poor economic might of the East was seen as negative by the West Germans. East Germans didn't migrate in hordes to the West (but there was a population shift) because there really wasn't anywhere for East Germans to go. The unified government had to invest more money and resources into developing the East while providing resources to help the people who had real disadvantages versus the West (East Germans were not badly off; they developed on the fringe of the Western world and had access to some goods. The real issue was the integration of a people and a nation that was under the heel of Communist rule and a Socialist economy that deprived them of freedom and goods respectively (There is one story of East Berliners and Germans going to the Western supermarkets and buying citrus fruits in large quantities immediately after the Iron Curtain melted; many of them simply could not obtain the products in their home countries).

That's the thing. In East Germany you had a functional state, living standards and work practices weren't close to Western standards but they weren't that bad... reunification was still incredibly difficult. North Korea is in a far poorer position, South Korea is a less powerful economy than West Germany, and it might come in the wake of a war - meaning there'll be millions of refugees to worry about before they can even start reunification.

**Ratbarf**

Basically if they wanted to re unify, they would have to keep all of the North Koreans in North Korea until they could sort the country out. There is nothing like 200 000 angry commandos to destabalize a country.

**ShumaGorath**

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8591366.stm

Sunk South Korea naval ship Cheonan 'split in half'

The force of Friday's mysterious explosion which sunk a South Korean naval ship appears to have split the vessel's hull in two, officials say.
The two halves are lying on the sea bed but bad weather has prevented military divers from reaching the wreckage.
Forty-six sailors are missing and rescue workers say it is unlikely that anyone could have survived three days in the near-freezing water.
The cause of the explosion on the 1,200-tonne Cheonan remains unclear.
The BBC's John Sudworth in Seoul says several possibilities have been suggested:
an accidental onboard explosion
a blast caused by hitting rocks or sea mines
or a deliberate outside attack.
The naval patrol vessel sank near the disputed maritime border with North Korea but military officials say there is no indication the North was involved.

Fifty-eight sailors, including the captain, were rescued from one of the South's worst sea disasters.
Some rescue-workers say it is still possible that some people could have survived in air-pockets inside the ship, although the water in the Yellow Sea is about 4C.
After visiting the disaster site, Defence Minister Kim Tae-young said: "The vessel appeared to have been split into half," reports South Korea's Yonhap news agency.
Although the waters are fairly shallow, the exact location of the wreckage has not yet been located, according to defence ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae.
Navy and coast guard vessels, as well as air force planes, are still scouring the area near South Korea's Baeknyeong Island.
A group of 80 family members have sailed around the crash site and watched the rescue efforts, the AP news agency reports.
But some relatives are accusing the navy of a cover-up, saying the ship was in need of repair.
'Save me'
Earlier, the ship's rescued captain has been recounting what happened.
"There was the sound of an explosion and the ship keeled to the right. We lost power and telecommunications," Yonhap quoted Choi Won-il as saying.

"I was trapped in the cabin for five minutes before my colleagues broke the window in and let me out. When I got out, the stern had disappeared."
A number of the crew jumped into the water, Yonhap said.
"Yells and screams filled the air," witness Kim Jin-ho, a seaman who was on a local passenger ship bound for Baeknyeong, told cable news channel YTN.
"Marines on deck were desperately shouting: 'Save me!"'
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak convened an emergency meeting of security officials and said all possible causes for the sinking would be investigated.
He ordered the military to focus on rescuing the sailors.
There were initial reports that another South Korean ship had fired shots toward an unidentified vessel, but officials later speculated the target had been a flock of birds.
The incident comes at a time of tension between the two Koreas. International talks aimed at ending the communist North's nuclear ambitions have been stalled for months.
North and South Korea are still in a official state of war because the 1950-53 Korean War ended only in a truce.
Since then, they have fought three bloody skirmishes in the Yellow Sea.
In January, North Korea fired about 30 artillery shells not far from Baeknyeong. South Korea fired 100 warning shots in response, but no injuries were reported.
South Korea recognises the Northern Limit Line, drawn unilaterally by the US-led United Nations Command to demarcate the sea border at the end of the Korean War. The line has never been accepted by North Korea.

They're actually quite unsure what caused the incident so far. The north certainly isn't claiming responsibility.

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sebster wrote:
WarOne wrote:In Germany's case, the infrastructure and relatively poor economic might of the East was seen as negative by the West Germans. East Germans didn't migrate in hordes to the West (but there was a population shift) because there really wasn't anywhere for East Germans to go. The unified government had to invest more money and resources into developing the East while providing resources to help the people who had real disadvantages versus the West (East Germans were not badly off; they developed on the fringe of the Western world and had access to some goods. The real issue was the integration of a people and a nation that was under the heel of Communist rule and a Socialist economy that deprived them of freedom and goods respectively (There is one story of East Berliners and Germans going to the Western supermarkets and buying citrus fruits in large quantities immediately after the Iron Curtain melted; many of them simply could not obtain the products in their home countries).

That's the thing. In East Germany you had a functional state, living standards and work practices weren't close to Western standards but they weren't that bad... reunification was still incredibly difficult. North Korea is in a far poorer position, South Korea is a less powerful economy than West Germany, and it might come in the wake of a war - meaning there'll be millions of refugees to worry about before they can even start reunification.

You also have generations of institutionalized racism. From childhood north koreans are raised to believe that they are the master race, and that the rest of the world attempts to keep them caged. They cite foreign aid as an example of tribute regularly.