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Anyone else sick of these stupid things lately?

The leafblower is sweeping the game and changing it into a tank fight.

I have nothing against Guard and it's even cool to see lists full of different Russes, but Chimeras are flavorless boxes.

If you have tanks in a game, then your infantry need some protection from them, or APCs to keep up with your own tanks.
If you want armour-free games surely you can arrange those with your opponent?
If it's specifically Chimeras you don't like, build alternatives- there are plenty out there.

I am not playing chimeras...just sick of seeing them everywhere I go.

You know?

They're cheap, they're incredibly effective, AV12 front armor and six freakin' firing ports not to mention a multi-laser and usually a hull heavy flamer....

Yeah, there's no reason for IG *not* to take as many as they can cram in.

Ehh, chimeras and certain IG lists can be good, though you should feel sorry for them, chimeras burn a hole in anyones pocket.

Dashofpepper wrote:They're cheap, they're incredibly effective, AV12 front armor and six freakin' firing ports not to mention a multi-laser and usually a hull heavy flamer....

Yeah, there's no reason for IG *not* to take as many as they can cram in.

Lies!

They only have 5 Fire Points.

Gwar! wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:They're cheap, they're incredibly effective, AV12 front armor and six freakin' firing ports not to mention a multi-laser and usually a hull heavy flamer....

Yeah, there's no reason for IG *not* to take as many as they can cram in.

Lies!

They only have 5 Fire Points.

LIES!!! THEY HAVE 10!!!!

Melta Vets + Chimeras = AV 12 tank buster.... o.O

So in other words...no one else is sick of Chimera spam being vomited up across the nation?

Cambak wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:They're cheap, they're incredibly effective, AV12 front armor and six freakin' firing ports not to mention a multi-laser and usually a hull heavy flamer....

Yeah, there's no reason for IG *not* to take as many as they can cram in.

Lies!

They only have 5 Fire Points.

LIES!!! THEY HAVE 10!!!!

Melta Vets + Chimeras = AV 12 tank buster.... o.O

Wow,chill you guys...

ductvader wrote:So in other words...no one else is sick of Chimera spam being vomited up across the nation?

No, because I move slightly to the left and hit AV10

No, because if absolutely everything is in a chimera it is hellzuva fluffy.

sniperjolly wrote:No, because if absolutely everything is in a chimera it is hellzuva fluffy.

Agreed , why WOULD I be sick of seeing the most correct army build in the game be played ?

Yeah GW overpowered them (guess there was a new model coming huh).

The points and standard guns are fine, it's the 5 fire points that make it ridiculous. They should have kept it at 1 fire point + 3 las guns a side.

ductvader wrote:Anyone else sick of these stupid things lately?

The leafblower is sweeping the game and changing it into a tank fight.

I have nothing against Guard and it's even cool to see lists full of different Russes, but Chimeras are flavorless boxes.

Are they metal bawkses?

Given the only transport alternative to Chimeras are Valkyries that float above most terrain at more than twice the cost, you can't blame people for using a few Chimeras to get around.

I've never had much of a problem. If you're going to hate on Chimeras, hate on Rhinos, Raiders, Trukks, Battlewagons, Land Raiders, Devilfish, Falcons, Wave Serpents...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Ehh, chimeras and certain IG lists can be good, though you should feel sorry for them, chimeras burn a hole in anyones pocket.

Agreed, 50 AUD is quite alot. Didn't they used to be 40, or less?

Chimeras are nature's way of telling you to put more anti-tank weapons in your army.

I think most people are missing the sentiment of the OP. I'm pretty sick of the forced mechanization that this game is leaning towards. Anything that causes one type of gameplay versus wider variety of lists is bad imo. It gets bad when I basically take a combi-melta/melta gun/multi-melta/monstrous armor pen/etc on every single unit in my army and I still worry that I don't have enough to kill all of my opponents chimeras/leman russ/land raiders/rhinos.

I see the point (although its not just chimeras, every army is taking maximum transports, just you see a lot of IG I guess) but thats the way things roll - if one tactic/choice is objectively the strongest, people will take it. Trying playing games with people you know, based on the mutual agreement to take something different. If you walk into wherever it is you play, and ask if anyone there wants to play a game with limited numbers of tanks, that'd work right?

As for tournaments or blind pick-up games . . . guess you should wait until the next edition of the rules . . . (or play tyranids)

Transports make for much more dynamic games as they allow faster movement. Anyone who remembers the transition from 2nd to 3rd edition will remember what a huge shift it was. Even 4th edition became much more static when transports were hit too hard with the nerf stick. Personally I think the balance is about right now - rhino rush in 3rd was too good but the reaction in 4th was OTT.

Armies with good bikes (e.g. marines) or jump packers (e.g. blood angels) don't need transports. Everyone else wants at least some - even in a static gunline.

I agree that it is a shame that you to mechanise a lot of your force to have a chance.

On the other hand, i really like the look of my army when it all deploys in Rhinos and heads across the table at full pelt. Plus, for an IW army i think being mechanised is more fluffy anyway.

Brother SRM wrote:I've never had much of a problem. If you're going to hate on Chimeras, hate on Rhinos, Raiders, Trukks, Battlewagons, Land Raiders, Devilfish, Falcons, Wave Serpents...

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...

Trukks don't belong in the "good, reliable transport" category because they're essentially made from crackers and blow up when a strong breeze hits them

Bunker wrote:

Trukks don't belong in the "good, reliable transport" category because they're essentially made from crackers and blow up when a strong breeze hits them

But you can count on them doing that!

ductvader wrote:So in other words...no one else is sick of Chimera spam being vomited up across the nation?

Thats correct.

Chimera, meet railgun. Railgun, meet Chimera

End of story ;p

raiders don't belong in there either; also open topped AV10.

Until November, when they become 12/10/10 open-topped, and multi-lasers suddenly become MUCH less threatening.

Maybe if chimeras counted at open-topped when using the fire ports it would be a bit less of a pain. I too struggle when confronted with my friend's chimera wall. It is just so ridiculously effective compared to every other army's transports.

I like running them over

Personally I rather like the proliferation of mechanized Imperial Guard armies.