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srsly how?

Ok, if he's bringing an Avatar in a 500 point game...take it down and you pretty much win.

What I would do is take this simple 500 pt list: company command squad, infantry platoon, 2x lascannon teams, 1 squad of veterans with whatever special wepons you want. 6 lascannons (twin-linked when you give the order) will take an avatar down before he gets to your lines. consider giving your line infantry squads autocannons, for some high S shots to throw around. He really shouldn't be using an Avatar at 500 points, teach him a lesson by killing it. after it's gone, it's a simple mop-up game.

bring a squadron of 3x hydras.

note- this will kill anything in the eldar codex very well.

Honersstodnt wrote:bring a squadron of 3x hydras.

note- this will kill anything in the eldar codex very well.

QFT.

Much simpler than mine, and more effective. Massive range will kill it way before it gets to your lines.

Theory army list:

CCS
Veterans
Veterans
3x Hydras

Comes out to 415 points, which you can disperse for upgrades, or another vet squad. or a chimera.

Plasma Veterans combined with Bring It Down, Bring it Down! Will probably do the trick...

An avatar only has 4 wounds and no invul save. There are lots of things that can help.

I think my favorite for this particular purpose would be a squad of 10x rough riders. For 105 points, you can kill that avatar in a single charge. The other near 400 points can clean up the rest with flamers etc.

That or a humble plasma SWS with BiD will also nearly kill it with a single round of shooting. And that's only 80 in SWS land and 115 in vet land.

Or you could spend 100 points to take al-rahem+an astropath. Al'rahem insta-kills stuff with his super power weapon.

Killing it with a hydra would probably be the funniest way to kill it, though. It takes 150 points of hydras to put a single wound on it a turn, so they're not fabulous, but you get the satisfaction of pumping 8 oil-drum-sized shotgun rounds into him a turn.

Ailaros wrote:An avatar only has 4 wounds and no invul save.

So wrong.....the Avvy has both a 3+ and a 4++ save.

Really? Pg. 296 of my rulebook must be wrong then. Why bother putting unit stats in the back of the book if you're going to put the wrong stats in?

In this case, I'm still going with al'rahem, but now lasguns just got more attractive. Two PIS squads with FRFSRF and plasma guns (or a single blob with BiD), will do some serious hurt to him.

Ailaros wrote:Really? Pg. 296 of my rulebook must be wrong then. Why bother putting unit stats in the back of the book if you're going to put the wrong stats in?

Please, tell me you are not looking at the BRB for specific Eldar (or any other codex) rules.
Check the Eldar dex. On both pages 24 and 61 the 4++ is spelled out in detail. In addition, on page 24 you get all his other rules, such as being immune to melta and flamer fire.

Honstly, at 500 points he isn't that bad. He can be killed, and if you do it, you win. IG has the shots and range to bring down an un-Fortuned Avvy before he gets to you.

However, at 1k+ when he has a Farseer (or Eldrad) fortuning his 3+ and 4++ saves he becomes a lot scarier.

I'm not going to buy a $30 book just to look at a single statline. That's the whole reason they put the stats in the back of the rulebook in the first place. Disheartening to know that is was such a vain effort on GW's part.

Alerian wrote:However, at 1k+ when he has a Farseer (or Eldrad) fortuning his 3+ and 4++ saves he becomes a lot scarier.

I suppose he would be the equivalent of a T6 W6 4++ MC. Scary indeed.

thx guys im gonna beat the f*** out of his avatar

Ailaros wrote:An avatar only has 4 wounds and no invul save. There are lots of things that can help.

I think my favorite for this particular purpose would be a squad of 10x rough riders. For 105 points, you can kill that avatar in a single charge. The other near 400 points can clean up the rest with flamers etc.

That or a humble plasma SWS with BiD will also nearly kill it with a single round of shooting. And that's only 80 in SWS land and 115 in vet land.

Or you could spend 100 points to take al-rahem+an astropath. Al'rahem insta-kills stuff with his super power weapon.

Killing it with a hydra would probably be the funniest way to kill it, though. It takes 150 points of hydras to put a single wound on it a turn, so they're not fabulous, but you get the satisfaction of pumping 8 oil-drum-sized shotgun rounds into him a turn.

Those Rough riders aren't going to be able to take a DA bladestorm at all.
SWS with Plasma? BS 3 plus no ablative wounds seems like it won't do much and won't last long. If you want a small squad with plasma, a x4 Company Command Squad is probably the better option
And Al-Rahem is str 3. Str 3 to T6 wounds on +6. Good luck, you have 4 ablative wounds to play with before the avatar murders him.
I like how you always round your math hammer to whatever result favors your interpretation. 1.58, I was taught, would probably round to 2. Besides, the avatar will walk up the field. Doing 1-2 wounds a turn will kill it before it hits your lines.

How about you just take a manticore and kill the rest of his army in one shooting phase. then you have 2-3 turns to rain missiles down on the hapless avatar.

Ailaros wrote:I'm not going to buy a $30 book just to look at a single statline. That's the whole reason they put the stats in the back of the rulebook in the first place. Disheartening to know that is was such a vain effort on GW's part.

x1,000

Invulnerable saves shouldn't really pop-up. Unless you're playing against it (in which case, y'know, he'll have the fething codex!!!!) why do you need to know? I really... really... cannot believe you think it is a vain effort on GW's part...

Yup, hydras tend to help against alot of thinks in my army.

3 hydras shooting the avatar - 12 shots... 9 hits. 6 wounds. 2 failed saves.

2 rounds of shooting and the avatar is dropped, from extreme range.

you can also go with 2x vendettas... they will drop it in two turns as well. 6 shots, 4 hits, 4 wounds (likely), 2 failed saves.

The hydras are arguably better against eldar skimmers, as lascannons are reduced to str8 by wave serpents, and volume of fire is great.

Shoot it with plasma weapons. Seriously, a 4++ save is as good as any other commander. Str7 ap2 plasma weapons wound on a 3+ and ignore his 3+ armour save. Just don't let it assault you.

I thoght the Avatar was imune to all heat and energy weapons (ie, plasma, flamer, melta and Las-cannon) due tho the fact that it's made from a deanomic molten metal?
(Dam I must be old )
Hydras are good, also if you use a Chimera you can use that to Full speed tank shock him, granted it's 1 in 10 chance that it will hit him, but I bet Avatar wont like that

Equip your veterans with Meltas and Flamers. Can't fail.


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Don't forget to take a hellhound as well.

Ok, this needs to be put out there: THE AVATAR IS IMMUNE TO FIRE AND MELTA WEAPONS.
If rules and points allow, take a LR Executioner. If you feel like spending half your points on it, add a lascannon and plasma sponsons. It will kill his whole list

I just cursorily did the math, so I could be wrong, But it looks like missiles are a bit better against the Avatar if he has fortune on him. They wound him on 2+ and force him to use his invulnerable save.

Autocannons are 2 shots, but they need a 3+ to wound and he takes his 3+ armor save against them. But the higher volume makes for about the same number of wounds as missiles if the Avatar doesn't have fortune cast on him. Autocannons produce more wounds than missiles if you use Bring It Down on a heavy weapon squad.

The problem with plasma is that anybody doing 2 shots has to be within 12", which means the avatar can charge them next turn.

Also don't forget that the Avatar's WS is the highest in the game. Any guard unit in CC with him needs 5s to hit (and usually 6s to wound). That makes rough riders--needing 5's to hit and 5s to wound--a really bad choice. Although a big blob of 30 guys with a commissar and PW sergeants could probably eventually pull him down--or at least bog him for the duration of the game--it's better to kill him at range.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Ok, this needs to be put out there: THE AVATAR IS IMMUNE TO FIRE AND MELTA WEAPONS.
If rules and points allow, take a LR Executioner. If you feel like spending half your points on it, add a lascannon and plasma sponsons. It will kill his whole list

He was joking, hence the

I think the point about the Executioner still stands though.

Nah, it is waaaaay to expensive to be used in 500pts.

The executioner wouldn't just kill it, it would MASSACRE the whole list.

At least he's not pulling the old 3 wraithlords at 500 points gimmick

JSK-Fox wrote:The executioner wouldn't just kill it, it would MASSACRE the whole list.

Or it would die to a single meltagun. IMO, that tank is overrated. It is extremly expensive, and it is pretty short ranged, so it will die fast

It will also only do 1ish wound each round to the avatar, so I don't think that is pts well spent towards the OP's goal.

Yeah, executioner would fail hard against the avatar.

If the list is what I think it is, he will be fortuned, and one bad mamma jamma.

Honestly, hydras ARE your best bet, while I fear vendettas more than hydras, hydras will have more killing power against the avatar and wave serpents.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Invulnerable saves shouldn't really pop-up. I really... really... cannot believe you think it is a vain effort on GW's part...

I guess you really... really... can't see the usefulness of an invul save, I guess.

Irdiumstern wrote:... aren't going to be able to take a DA bladestorm ... no ablative wounds... won't last long.... you have 4 ablative wounds to play with before the avatar murders him.

You're sort of assuming that I have no control whatsoever over what my opponent attacks, as if I have no movement phase, and don't get to determine how I deploy, or don't get to do damage to their stuff before they attack me, or can't take backups of thing in list-building.

All guard units are fragile. If your point is "don't take fragile units against avatars" then you're advice really is "don't play guard against avatars."

Honersstodnt wrote:3 hydras shooting the avatar - 12 shots... 9 hits. 6 wounds. 2 failed saves.

I suppose my only concern with this is that you need to spend half your points on hydras, leaving you with only the barest minimum to spend on troops (few bodies, no upgrades). Those hydras would have a LOT of ground to cover with just three vehicles...

Illumini wrote:IMO, that tank is overrated. It is extremly expensive, and it is pretty short ranged, so it will die fast

It will also only do 1ish wound each round to the avatar, so I don't think that is pts well spent towards the OP's goal.

Exactly. Plasma wagon executioner is nonsense at this points level in general, and not particularly useful for the original goal in specific.

Ailaros wrote:

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Invulnerable saves shouldn't really pop-up. I really... really... cannot believe you think it is a vain effort on GW's part...

I guess you really... really... can't see the usefulness of an invul save, I guess.

Go ahead and ignore the rest of my post. Nice one.

Illumini wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Ok, this needs to be put out there: THE AVATAR IS IMMUNE TO FIRE AND MELTA WEAPONS.
If rules and points allow, take a LR Executioner. If you feel like spending half your points on it, add a lascannon and plasma sponsons. It will kill his whole list

He was joking, hence the

Thank you!

sluggaslugga wrote:thx guys im gonna beat the f*** out of his avatar

Now THATS the spirit. Sometimes I want to make an IG army, simply because their tanks are just badass, and their vet squads are friggin hardasses. If only I find an envelope FULL of $100 bills