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Hey guys, I was just wondering what everyone thinks of Mephiston Lord of Death (Lord of Cheese). I recently started playing blood angels and i was just wondering if hes as good as everyone says he is.

Dashyl
Mephiston has an amazingly good stat line but has 3 serious drawbacks.
1. he's extremely expensive
2. he has no invulnerable save
3. he cannot join units.

If your opponent doesn't know how to handle him Mephiston can go through his entire army. In the long run though all you'll be doing is teaching your opponent better play skills. After that Mephiston will no longer be a threat.... his weaknesses are so glaring that it's just a matter of time before your opponent will be able to exploit them, hurting you tremendously when he dies.

My advice to you would be to leave this guy at home. Your average Joe Blood Angel marine is very strong in close combat when backed up by a sanguinary priest. You don't need to run the kind of risks Mephiston represents in order to completely smash your opponent in close combat.
AF

Yes he hits ridiculously hard. Yes costs a ton. And he goes down very easy. I think he would be a waste of points with a big target painted on his armor.

Most people are too stupid to use him correctly and I dont understand why. You put him in a rhino, go 18" first turn into terrain and pop smoke launchers.

If he shoots at the rhino and doesnt blow it up, you are fine, and he ignored the rest of your army. If he shoots at it and does blow it up, he then sees Mepheston jump out and shoots at him with everything remaining. But you have a cover save.

Then only target squads that are about 1-2 inches away from cover or in cover. Wipe the squad and massacre into cover again, or stay locked in combat and he still cant shoot at you.

Just watch out for lashwhips.

If you move the rhino 18" and he kills it mephiston dies. fast vehicle rules.

The only plus side i see are his stats... which are really good, but he costs as much as logan grimnar but i dont feel he hits has hard as logan though

Most people are too stupid to use him correctly and I dont understand why. You put him in a rhino, go 18" first turn into terrain and pop smoke launchers.

If he shoots at the rhino and doesnt blow it up, you are fine, and he ignored the rest of your army. If he shoots at it and does blow it up, he then sees Mepheston jump out and shoots at him with everything remaining. But you have a cover save.

Then only target squads that are about 1-2 inches away from cover or in cover. Wipe the squad and massacre into cover again, or stay locked in combat and he still cant shoot at you.

Just watch out for lashwhips.

Or just pack him into the middle of 10 FnP Ass-Marines with Priest and watch as even Marines need at least 15 lascannon shots to just kill Mephi (ignoring the rest of your army which will probably be in CC in round 2). Or just hide him behind advancing LoS blocking Rhinos, he should be able to follow thanks to 12" movement and fleet.

Yes, Mephi IS ridiculous (if you know how to use him), just compare him to the 10 pts. cheaper Ragnar Blackmane and you'll know what I mean. A character which is able to kill a whole army in CC and is able to be in CC in round 2 without costing less than 300 pts. IS broken (he even kills a C'tan in one go...). Yes, an anti list and certain units like ork mobz and TH/SS Termies or a eldar list with anti-psyker runes will eat him for breakfeast, but sadly not every army has these units.

The Sanguinor costs at least as much as Abbi...

I don't wanna know which unique units Black Templars will get if Mad Ward writes their codex. They'll probably be allowed to use Warhounds as Heavy Support choice or the Emperor himself as HQ...

Yes, he is able to kill a lot in CC, but he costs as much as a Land Raider and dies easier than a Land Raider.

He is only scary if you ignore him.

He's a demon prince. That's really what it boils down to.

Close Combat really lost a lot of its impact and 'oomph' in 5th edition.

He's not the beast he once was...

I've played against him 3 times. I don't think he ever killed his 250 points back. Against Psychic Hoods he suffers, against Eldar with RoWarding he is in agony. Usually I've seen him kill a unit then get plasma'd to death. He has his uses but he is counter able.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:If you move the rhino 18" and he kills it mephiston dies. fast vehicle rules.

Read the rules again

He does have his perks, but i dont think hes all hes cracked up to be...

Played him in a doubles match once. He managed to kick some serious ass, netting over 400 points, including an important vindicator, before he went down. If you can get him stuck in combat, he's a monster. It's just all about picking the right target and right movement.

I play Tyranids and I do seem to have some trouble with him.

His wings (cast outside of SotW range) allows him to charge and kill pretty much any MC at will- Even if you screen your MCs with cheap bubblewrap, what are you gonna do? Countercharge him? With what? Or let him finish the brood and go eat the MC anyway?

It appears that there are some players more experienced than me here so some advice would be appreciated.

Ive played him 4 times now, and I am not impressed. For his point cost, he really seems to fail to perform. Ive killed him with TH/SS Terminators, Ork Boyz, and Grey hunters, and haven't had him manage to do much damage back.

That being said, I've seen him fielded well, but normally in combo with a landraider (either in it, or behind it). The Landraider keeps him from getting shot up until he can reach combat. The problem is fielding them in unison is at least 500 points. He is undoubtedly a close combat monster, but he is over-costed.

Swarm Lord with a Tyrant Guard retinue (with whips!) will usually do horrible things to Mephiston.

I've seen him fielded once in a land raider, but that was a 4000 pt game, and he still marched through 800 pts of guard before he was taken down he seems to be more of nuisance than a treat if hes not in CC

what are you gonna do? Countercharge him? With what? Or let him finish the brood and go eat the MC anyway?

You throw The Swarmlord at him and force him to fail a LD test on 3D6, he then dies.
Throw death leaper into it and some other nasties and you drop his LD by 3 to start with.



When using him you need to either throw him in a transport, or behind one.
A unit of termies with sang priest in a raider make a nice cover target.
Move meph behind it so he cant get shot, and the fire will be aimed at the raider.
Once the termies spill out meph can assault a unit on his own while the termies do thier work.

Just need to keep showing your opponant nice targets that he cant ignore.
All las/plas/melt aimed at that raider mean meph doesent lose a wound.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:

what are you gonna do? Countercharge him? With what? Or let him finish the brood and go eat the MC anyway?

You throw The Swarmlord at him and force him to fail a LD test on 3D6, he then dies.
Throw death leaper into it and some other nasties and you drop his LD by 3 to start with.



When using him you need to either throw him in a transport, or behind one.
A unit of termies with sang priest in a raider make a nice cover target.
Move meph behind it so he cant get shot, and the fire will be aimed at the raider.
Once the termies spill out meph can assault a unit on his own while the termies do thier work.

Just need to keep showing your opponant nice targets that he cant ignore.
All las/plas/melt aimed at that raider mean meph doesent lose a wound.

To be quite fair, is someone is showering your land raider with plasma shots you will probably win the game

Would an Inquisitor make him crai? Unlimited range psychic hood thank you very much.

He'll still get his powers off half the time, and with the ability to use 3 a turn, he'll likely get at least one of the ones he wants off. It'll help, but don't expect it to go anywhere near shutting him down.

Jaon wrote:Would an Inquisitor make him crai? Unlimited range psychic hood thank you very much.

Played against him in a team event, inquisitor with hood and shadows in the warp can really shut him down. He died to tyranid warriors with toxin sacs.

In all honesty mephiston strikes me as a huge waste of points. I use sanguinor in my BA army, but that is my super friendly fun time army, so I could care less. If i was building a competitive army it would be 2 librarians.

Eternal Newb wrote:Yes, he is able to kill a lot in CC, but he costs as much as a Land Raider and dies easier than a Land Raider.

He is only scary if you ignore him.

If you ignore him, he eats your face.

If you dont ignore him, you start to shoot at him while he is getting a 4+ Cover Save, probably not even killing him, and allowing the rest of my army to reach you unharmed.

zeekill wrote:
If you ignore him, he eats your face.

If you dont ignore him, you start to shoot at him while he is getting a 4+ Cover Save, probably not even killing him, and allowing the rest of my army to reach you unharmed.

If you ignore him, then yea, he'll do some damage.

If you actually try and kill him, he dies pretty quickly.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:He's a demon prince. That's really what it boils down to.

His characteristics and rules more closely resemble those of a Keeper of Secrets, the surprise-buttsecks of Daemonkind.

I played mephiston once (2v2) my partner squished him like a bug with a carnifex (to be fair I did hit him with a couple of lascannons first) In that game my Ba oponent didn't get that far and my chaos player was suicidal
(templates backfiring, overheating, kharn killed a unit and a half of bezerkers over the course of his life then I run him down with a land raider)

Mephistons not that good, he can't join units which means he's sitting ducks with no invun. And in the fluff it states he doesn't talk to anyone anymore, that makes him a bad person (because he's rude and unfriendly)


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Nurglitch wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:He's a demon prince. That's really what it boils down to.

His characteristics and rules more closely resemble those of a Keeper of Secrets, the surprise-buttsecks of Daemonkind.

and it does state in da fluf that he was confronted by a tzeench dp who gave him a gift (don't know what it is) after trapping meph in a mystical cavern (which is another reason my he doesn't talk.


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I mean ba fluff (can't edit it I'm on my iPod)

Fafnir wrote:Swarm Lord with a Tyrant Guard retinue (with whips!) will usually do horrible things to Mephiston.

I find that Swarmlord with a TGuard will indeed eat Mephiston.
I also find that my opponent rarely gives me that opportunity.

Swarmlord (6" move) vs. Mephiston (12" move) is a race already decided.

The only thing Mephiston will ever get to assault in my army is my thunderhammer/stormshield and lightning claw terminators acting as a screen for Lysander.

Mephiston usually dies before we are offically stuck in.

He's not good. Take librarians, or commander dante.