Can someone explain in detail exactly what Goto did to the black library?

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**Jaon**

Im a huge fan of 40k, but I could never get into the black library, and even tho Ive been in the hobby for several years, I dont know much about this Goto guy.

Is he the Kotick of the black library? (Kotick is the head at activision, and one of his major speeches before the release of modern warfare 2 was to say that he wanted to instill a feeling of fear, pessimism and...hate (was it?) in the gaming industry, pretty much wants all gamers to die)

So yeah, and Id like it to be a detailed answer thanks!

**Kanluwen**

C.S. Goto was a terrible writer. His stuff is on par with Stephanie Meyer in that it's self-fulfilling fanwank that never should be published by a serious publishing agency.

He also had no real grasp of the background of 40k, to the point of having Eldar/Space Marine romances(which admittedly happened during Rogue Trader...but have been retconned out since), Marines wielding multilasers, Eldar Farseers surfing on Falcon Grav-Tanks with their turrets removed to make room for a surfboard, etc.

He's why they now are far, far more authoritarian with their authors knowing the lore.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Actually, I could imagine a marine using a multilaser, but was that an emergency/desperation thing or a pretty common occurence?

**Jaon**

He sounds bad, But i want moar! (also that whole marine with multilaser thing reminds me of fallout 3)

I would actually appreciate it if for 5 points, IG heavy weapons teams could take multilazors.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

That would be scary. More shots then an AC HWT, but can still take out AV11 just by pure number of shots...

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That would be scary. More shots then an AC HWT, but can still take out AV11 just by pure number of shots...

**Bookwrack**

Then there are things like how everything from Tyranids to Space Marines are described as 'braying' whenever they make a loud noise.

And paraphrasing, those clever children destroying a Falcon by stabbing the driver through the viewing slit with a sharpened stick, and blowing up the turret by sticking a rock down the barrel of the brightlance.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Doesn't the falcon have a canopy? And the bright lance thing made me lol.

**Fafnir**

Wait... Brightlances have barrels now?

**Jaon**

Ok goto sounds really bad now. Thats insanely bad....

**Kanluwen**

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Actually, I could imagine a marine using a multilaser, but was that an emergency/desperation thing or a pretty common occurence?

Marines wouldn't use multilasers. Bolters give them more flexibility, since you can load variable shells in them.

But that's not the point. He basically had more Marines toting multilasers than bolters.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Ah, now that is just wierd. Though when I said I could imagine marines using lasers I meant that like they ran out of ammo and really, really need a gun.

**AlexHolker**

If descriptions of Dawn of War: Tempest are to be believed, it apparently consists primarily of some Eldar farseer suffering 200 pages of torture porn. Is this accurate?

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Doesn't the falcon have a canopy?

Congratulations! You have now proven yourself smarter than C. S. Goto.

**Kanluwen**

I know what you meant, but we're not talking "Oh, there's an unmanned multilaser Chimera over there! I'm out of ammo, gonna go man that!".

I'm meaning they went into combat with a multilaser that was described as a "gatling styled multilaser" and a backpack powercell.

Remember, there's a reason multilasers are fitted on vehicles and not carried as support weapons. They're too ineffective as the second, because of the ammunition requirements.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

How did this guy get through to publishing this drivel?

**Necrosis**

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:

How did this guy get through to publishing this drivel?

That is an excellent question, who the **** was Goto editor?

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Kanluwen wrote:C.S. Goto was a terrible writer. His stuff is on par with Stephanie Meyer in that it's self-fulfilling fanwank that never should be published by a serious publishing agency.

He also had no real grasp of the background of 40k, to the point of having Eldar/Space Marine romances(which admittedly happened during Rogue Trader...but have been retconned out since), Marines wielding multilasers, Eldar Farseers surfing on Falcon Grav-Tanks with their turrets removed to make room for a surfboard, etc.

He's why they now are far, far more authoritarian with their authors knowing the lore.

Everything said here is the truth, and nothing but.
I have never felt so much unreasoning hate for an author before or since Goto. It's why I now resemble Atrocitus due to massive rage overdosage. Thank whatever god you live by that he is gone.

**Grey Templar**

one Goto book i heard about had this Heretical content.

Space Marines fighting tyranids.

Lascannon marines is popping Gaunts and then he hit the Carnifex(who was earlier called a Lictor) with the lascannon instead of shooting at it while it was coming straight at him.

a Terminator gets dragged into the swarm by a SPORE MINE's tentacles.

the nearby Landraider during the course of the scene changes from Land Raider into a Razorback, then into a Predator, then back into a Land Raider. the Space Marine captain directing this farce is surfing on top of the tank while firing his plasma pistol at the rippers swarming the tank.

this is all contained within the first 3 pages.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

I just burst a blood vessel in my temple reading that.
Damnit.

**H.B.M.C.**

No one's going to mention the Dawn of War novel, where a Blood Raven Terminator and a Kasrkin Soldier become best friends and ride into battle together on top of a Razorback?

I wish I was making that up...

**Gwar!**

Here are some examples of CS Goto style writing, courtesy of Dakka users:

Gwar wrote:Also, The Empra had a Multilazor which was the bestest multilazor ever and he used his multilazor to shoot thew nastybad enemies of the Empra because they refused to use multilazors and then Horus said "I want the bestest multilazor" so he jumped into a Razorback and then backflipped off it just as it changed into a Land Raider then shot the Empra with his Multilazors.

Gwar wrote:The Primarchs were originally going to be 20 Copypasta superdooperdoods, but then the Three nastybad Chaos Gods used their mindlazors to try and kapewpew the primarchs which didn't work because The Empra was the bestest power in the whole world however so was able to stop them but he had forgotten to have his Shreddies that morning so couldn't stop them from being stoled so instead he psychically protected them and guided them to land on planets where they would grow up to be all awesome and special but because he didn't have any milk that day because he forgot his Cornflakes some of the Primarchs were touched by the warp and so became evil but not really

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:The Blud Rehvens are a very special chapter of Sphess Muhreens who are good at zapping the nastybad enemy with their mindpowers Pew Pew! They are so special that no one knows who the daddy sphess muhreens are, not even the EMPRAH! But people think it's the Thousand sons because Blud Rehvens have lots of magic guys who shoot mind lazers at people! They even lead squads with Mind lazer shooting! They like reading and learning stuff a lot, but OH NO! The nastybad librarian went to kay-oss and got the 5th company pew pewed, so now they are emo and wear lots of emo stuff on their armour! Gabriel Angelos leads the 3rd company and he is the manliest sphess muhreenho kills Daemons and has a big hammer and blows up his planet and don't afraid of anything. Even Eldar girls have wet dreams about him! Indrick Boreal led the Blud Rehvens on Kronus, but he is deaded now because his Steel Rehn didn't work :(, even though many of his battle brothers were stehtioned in Sphess ready for multiple Sim-ul-tae-nious and deady deep strikes! And all Blud Rehvens carry MULTILAZORS (which pleases them), and their terminators who fight for the emprah are bestest budies with Karskin and do backflips and ride Land raiders that transform into Razorbacks then back into Land raiders HURR!!!!

And there was another one about Horus fighting the Empra but I cannot find it now.

Of course, the above is of a far higher quality than any of C.S. Goto's Writings, as we are only human.

**Devastator**

legends of marines goto one is just stupid
it has mantis warrior liberian armed what i think is singing spear ambushed in close range by thunderfire cannon

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

The most recent photo of C.S Goto hard at work.

**Little lord Fauntleroy**

Gwar! wrote:Here are some examples of CS Goto style writing, courtesy of Dakka users:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:The Blud Rehvens are a very special chapter of Sphess Muhreens who are good at zapping the nastybad enemy with their mindpowers Pew Pew! They are so special that no one knows who the daddy sphess muhreens are, not even the EMPRAH! But people think it's the Thousand sons because Blud Rehvens have lots of magic guys who shoot mind lazers at people! They even lead squads with Mind lazer shooting! They like reading and learning stuff a lot, but OH NO! The nastybad librarian went to kay-oss and got the 5th company pew pewed, so now they are emo and wear lots of emo stuff on their armour! Gabriel Angelos leads the 3rd company and he is the manliest sphess muhreenho kills Daemons and has a big hammer and blows up his planet and don't afraid of anything. Even Eldar girls have wet dreams about him! Indrick Boreal led the Blud Rehvens on Kronus, but he is deaded now because his Steel Rehn didn't work :(, even though many of his battle brothers were stehtioned in Sphess ready for multiple Sim-ul-tae-nious and deady deep strikes! And all Blud Rehvens carry MULTILAZORS (which pleases them), and their terminators who fight for the emprah are bestest budies with Karskin and do backflips and ride Land raiders that transform into Razorbacks then back into Land raiders HURR!!!!

Thank you. I now feel validated.

Also, I heard vague talk of a farseer getting psuedo-whipped by a marine: can anyone confirm this so I can add it to my list of "Why Dark Eldar are better than Eldar"?

**Gwar!**

I also see that the Rainbow Space Marines codex was written by Goto.

**Little lord Fauntleroy**

More than likely.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:No one's going to mention the Dawn of War novel, where a Blood Raven Terminator and a Kasrkin Soldier become best friends and ride into battle together on top of a Razorback?

I wish I was making that up...

I can almost give a pass on a Marine and Guardsman "becoming friends" simply because the wording could have been similar to what happened with the Blood Angels/Necron v. Tyranid debacle(where people were confusing inaction against each other as a sign of "Best Friends Foreverest!" but the riding into battle on top of a Razorback is heresy.

Also, I don't think anyone really read the Dawn of War novels. By then, Goto's colors with Eldar Prophecy and his Deathwatch books were obvious.

**xxBlazinGhostxx**

Is it just me or does Goto think vehicles are actually transformers? Robots in disguise!

**Little lord Fauntleroy**

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Is it just me or does Goto think vehicles are actually transformers? Robots in disguise!

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Kanluwen wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:No one's going to mention the Dawn of War novel, where a Blood Raven Terminator and a Kasrkin Soldier become best friends and ride into battle together on top of a Razorback?

I wish I was making that up...

I can almost give a pass on a Marine and Guardsman "becoming friends" simply because the wording could have been similar to what happened with the Blood Angels/Necron v. Tyranid debacle(where people were confusing inaction against each other as a sign of "Best Friends Foreverest!" but the riding into battle on top of a Razorback is heresy.

Also, I don't think anyone really read the Dawn of War novels. By then, Goto's colors with Eldar Prophecy and his Deathwatch books were obvious.

It was the cover of the Deathwatch novels that got me. The very idea of a Deathwatch marine and an Eldar in the same room as each other with the marine not pointing his bolter at the xenos' head ready to blow it clean off her shoulders was ludicrous.

**dietrich**

I don't blame Goto for that nonsense - I blame the BL for publishing it! I see that BL spends as much time proofreading their books as... well, GW.