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dietrich wrote:I don't blame Goto for that nonsense - I blame the BL for publishing it! I see that BL spends as much time proofreading their books as... well, GW.

What do you mean? Games Workshop don't proofr... Ooooooh.

Much like alot of the laws regarding rape are created in reaction to heinous events, C.S. Goto heralded a new era of Black Library's draconian rule on their authors.

I like to call it "Goto's Law", personally.

AlexHolker wrote:If descriptions of Dawn of War: Tempest are to be believed, it apparently consists primarily of some Eldar farseer suffering 200 pages of torture porn. Is this accurate?

No, it was 180 pages And the farseer was female and already injured and helpless at the beginning.

Other examples:
Eldar Prophecy: Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and they succeed! The craftworld is led by a Slaanesh worshipping Seer council.
Warrior Coven: Ulthwé's Seer council is led by a Slaanesh Worshipper. She and Eldrad (!) collaborate to sacrifice the only possible Shining Spear Exarch to Slaanesh worshipping Dark Eldar.
Tears of Blood: A fat Slaanesh worshipping Farseer stalks a female child Farseer, he can be seen drooling (!) under his hood. The story ends as the helpless and blind child is led away by said Farseer.
Dawn of War Tempest: Features the best warriors of the Eldar: Harlequins. They are mostly characterized as "piles of mutilated bodies" after a minute of fighting. No Slaanesh worshippers here, they die too early

You get the idea, and he was responsible for all Eldar prose for several years!
BTW: No spoiler brackets here, as hiding this would be a spoiler!

Goto also seems to have a fetish for Tank surfing.

... oh, and Tyranids and Necrons bray (!) according to him.

Kanluwen wrote:C.S. Goto was a terrible writer. His stuff is on par with Stephanie Meyer in that it's self-fulfilling fanwank that never should be published by a serious publishing agency.

He also had no real grasp of the background of 40k, to the point of having Eldar/Space Marine romances(which admittedly happened during Rogue Trader...but have been retconned out since), Marines wielding multilasers, Eldar Farseers surfing on Falcon Grav-Tanks with their turrets removed to make room for a surfboard, etc.

He's why they now are far, far more authoritarian with their authors knowing the lore.

Wow. He sounds like a gak head

Who else remembers the 50 pages of absolute crap written by Goto in Bringers of Death,the reason I wake up screaming and drenched in sweat atleast twice a month, Menshad Korum?

The more I read of this thread the less I actually trust GW ;D

We may have Goto to thank for the BL actually policing and standardising their own fluff(at least in a way that it doesn't contradict itself within the same story)

Even the fluff I wrote for my chapter is better than that!
And that stuff I wrote was pathetic!!! I now will rewrite that fluff I made so I cannot be compared to Goto.

(And now for a terrible pun!)
I guess with him, the Eldar are going to Goto hell.

the flames of eternal damnation and the eternal attentions of Slannesh are too good for Goto's work.

How bout Nurgle's rot?

Nah, Nurgle's a nice guy when you get to know him.

great sense of Humor, rather fatherly and wants to solv your problems.

who cares if he doesn't shower?

Not the Yu-gi-oh players, that's for sure. >.>

I say we destroy all of C.S Goto's work in the way most appropriate: Shooting a multilasor while tank surfing.

You know, I've seen his name on books several times now but so far haven't gotten around to buying them yet, but after reading this thread...I hate this goto guy...

The Internet works!

JSK-Fox wrote:
(And now for a terrible pun!)
I guess with him, the Eldar are going to Goto hell.

1) Bad pun is bad.

2) Thankfully Goto has been banished from whence he came, the new Eldar novel 'Path of the Warrior' is infinitely better. Well...Stephanie Myer's work is better so that doesn't say much. My point is for the first time we actually have a good Eldar book, even by regular bookwriting standards.

Goto and da emprha battlded for hours , not hourus but goto ending in him dying and the black libary reteated and got drunk and made some crap books and this is why the emprha is in the golden throne , by reading gotos books.

Actually, the C.S. Goto books were the first things 40k I ever read (after i saw a DoW wallpaper on google and realized I couldn't afford it...)
I didn't think they were terrible back then, but they sure confused me a fethton. I remember several occasions where I had to go back and re-read entire pages because I had absolutely no idea where a certain unit or enemy appeared from.
He tended to just have "OH BY THE WAY SIX THOUSAND MOAR" moments, where enemies or SM or something would just appear out of no where. And the color of ork blood changed a few times, iirc.
Warrior Coven confused me. And the DoW books...they got me hooked enough on 40k to buy dozens of more books, but I'll be damned if they actually made any sense.

Kroothawk wrote:
Other examples:
Eldar Prophecy: Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and they succeed! The craftworld is led by a Slaanesh worshipping Seer council.
Warrior Coven: Ulthwé's Seer council is led by a Slaanesh Worshipper. She and Eldrad (!) collaborate to sacrifice the only possible Shining Spear Exarch to Slaanesh worshipping Dark Eldar.
Tears of Blood: A fat Slaanesh worshipping Farseer stalks a female child Farseer, he can be seen drooling (!) under his hood. The story ends as the helpless and blind child is led away by said Farseer.
Dawn of War Tempest: Features the best warriors of the Eldar: Harlequins. They are mostly characterized as "piles of mutilated bodies" after a minute of fighting. No Slaanesh worshippers here, they die too early

*Clutching head in an effort to prevent the pressure from cracking through the skull and exposing the swelling brain tissue*OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD!

*spews everywhere* THIS MAN IS AN INSANE MAN.

INSANEMAN IS INSANE! ARAARAJLSNIKROTAA;K;DSCALGARSKLSD;SD:MMCCHEEZEJSDSKKKKTHRAKA;S;S0[UPIJBHDSG0T0WASMYMOSTHATEDPARTYMEMBERINKOTOR2LSDJBSKDKS *descends into ramblings*

Eyclonus wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Other examples:
Eldar Prophecy: Guardians try to block Warp Spiders ... and they succeed! The craftworld is led by a Slaanesh worshipping Seer council.
Warrior Coven: Ulthwé's Seer council is led by a Slaanesh Worshipper. She and Eldrad (!) collaborate to sacrifice the only possible Shining Spear Exarch to Slaanesh worshipping Dark Eldar.
Tears of Blood: A fat Slaanesh worshipping Farseer stalks a female child Farseer, he can be seen drooling (!) under his hood. The story ends as the helpless and blind child is led away by said Farseer.
Dawn of War Tempest: Features the best warriors of the Eldar: Harlequins. They are mostly characterized as "piles of mutilated bodies" after a minute of fighting. No Slaanesh worshippers here, they die too early

*Clutching head in an effort to prevent the pressure from cracking through the skull and exposing the swelling brain tissue*OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD!

After reading this piece of Goto-fluff, my reaction was:

I am genuinely disgusted someone would actually write crap like that. It's fething morally reprehensible at best, and at worst is a lynchable offence for both ruining the Eldar for anyone who might have read that, and also having a Farseer as fat and a paedophile. Also, a child Farseer, which I'm fairly sure would be impossible. I hate you, Goto.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Is it just me or does Goto think vehicles are actually transformers? Robots in disguise!

i have to admit thatpicture has win......7

Jeez, I've never heard of this guy but frankly I'm glad I read this thread, if this guy is as bad as you people say... Is it worth me reading any of his stuff to view the Heresy or would my head ASPLODE!...?

The OC-D

theocd wrote:Jeez, I've never heard of this guy but frankly I'm glad I read this thread, if this guy is as bad as you people say... Is it worth me reading any of his stuff so would my head ASPLODE!...?

The OC-D

no.

warboss spinetwizta wrote:

theocd wrote:Jeez, I've never heard of this guy but frankly I'm glad I read this thread, if this guy is as bad as you people say... Is it worth me reading any of his stuff so would my head ASPLODE!...?

The OC-D

no.

Thanks. Also, he appears to be vaguely aware that we hate him and that his writing is trollop:

http://www.csgoto.com/csgotopositions.html

The OC-D

i just for lolz looked at warrior coven extract and there was this

He had been initiated into the
Deathwatch many years before, after he had conquered his rage on
Hegelian IX, leading the remnants of the Angels Sanguine Death
Company in a tyranid hunt through the catacombs

i thougth mephisto was only one that defeated the black rage?

He is.

Just shows how awful CS Goto is. :(

he should know that i have never run into a 40k player who didn't hate his books and not a single one of those people was on a forum.


i can understand him wanting to show a different side of 40k, but you can't slaughter the basic fluff by having marines getting killed by spore mine tenticles, having them carry multi-lasers, and not being able to maintain consistancy as to the type of vehicle that is nearby.


at first i wondered if all the Goto hate was hate against poor writing and/or exaggerated, but then i cracked open one of his books and saw that everything was true.

"RH: It started when I asked some local students about their WH40K (Warhammer 40,000) games. They told me that they’d set up a tournament for the following week in which two teams would play against each other, one side representing the ‘Goto-verse’ and the other side representing ‘Reality.’ Apparently their group was divided over your novels, and they wanted to battle it out in the form of a game!

CG: Wow, that’s amazing! (laughs) But I wonder who won?

RH: Reality won!

CG: Of course. Was this because the eldar armies on my side kept fighting amongst themselves? Or perhaps it was because my Space Marines suddenly became full of existential angst and walked off to sulk in the corner? Or may be my army was an uncomfortable mix of eldar and Marines who didn't trust each other and just watched as the whole planet exploded?

RH: They did say something about introducing a special ‘succumbing to decadence’ saving-role for the eldar armies!

CG: Anything about multi-lasers?

RH: What?

CG: Never mind."

And I have never laughed as hard as I did before.

When I got the Ledgends of the Space Marines, I had no idea about Goto. 2 minutes into his story, I threw the book out the window. His taint can only be purged with fire. Or an IP hammer if he even tries writing a book again.