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Ok so me and my friend PURE SKINZzz came to a debate about who would win in a realistic one on one fight to the death, a Wraithlord or a Dreadnaught / Venarable Dreadnaught. as most of the worlds debates we could not agree. so we thought we would ask the people of dakka in order to get some more facts and opinions on this debate.

So please share your thoughts =)

As i said in the first place a dread, due to the fact that if a wraithlord took a swing at the dread all the dread would have to do ans grab the sword in its grapple (left arm) and because its mostly machine, it will be able to hold it there, bring it across its body, pulling the wraithlord with it and into the line of fire of its longer range weapon wihich in this case we will say is a multi-melta which the dread would then shoot into the wraithlords head. No more wraithlord

Well since the wraithlord has no controller shooting it in the head wont kill it for a start, also im pretty sure a bright lance cannon to your dread will be all it takes, and another thing, wraithbone is stronger then machine ( i think )

It might not have a controller but there are few things that work correctly after they have taken a multi-melta to the face/head/thingy. Also dread just look more stompy.

Yes but dreads are mechanical so therefore they have machine strength which could easily crush the wraithlords sword if it squesed hard enough

I guess so, but unless you can actually stop the wraithlord from being able to move or fight then it pretty much carries on, i mean its controlled by a soul after all.

A dread could shoot it in the leg/s and then proceed to punt it in the facish area, then again a wraithlord could possibly do that... although i couldn't imagine one doing so they seem more the type to fight honorably as it were.

Yeah thats true, however should a wraithlord run its blade through the centre of the dread, the fight is over

Yeah true they are honorable. But that senario could happen showing yet another way it could beat the wraithlord


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Well it would have to be a quick lucky strike for the dread to not block it

Unreal Toast wrote:Yeah thats true, however should a wraithlord run its blade through the centre of the dread, the fight is over

You could say the same for the dreadnought and anyway could it get the sword uninterupted through the middle into the sarcophagus? I don't think so

purplefood wrote:

Unreal Toast wrote:Yeah thats true, however should a wraithlord run its blade through the centre of the dread, the fight is over

You could say the same for the dreadnought and anyway could it get the sword uninterupted through the middle into the sarcophagus? I don't think so

my point exactly and it wil be harder for the wraithlord to do much damage using its weight because the dread is heavier. So if the dread got a hold of the wraithlord in any way it would be screwed because the dread could use its weight and pull it to the floor and crush it.

This is why i made the poll, their pretty even to be honest anything you say about the dred can be pulled of by the wraith aswell and vise versa.

Wraithbone is stronger then metal, it wont be pulled aorund that easily.

Its not about strength its about wieght, coz the dread would be hard to pull around compared to the wraithlord :p

But the wraith is taller, so he could stab through the top into the controller, or a bright lance straight to the top in CC and if your dread had a multi melta the wraith could obliterate your dread before it got close enough to use the melta in the first place.

Yeah also in close combat i'd say the dread has a unique fighting style any direct blow at the sarcophagus can be deflected by swivling on it's axis.
Also the wraithlord only needs a few hits in the limbs to really decrease it's fighting ability, whilst the dreadnought is just armoured everywhere.

O true,k but this is 1v1 close combat were talking about here. cos either of them could shoot them from far away

purplefood wrote:Yeah also in close combat i'd say the dread has a unique fighting style any direct blow at the sarcophagus can be deflected by swivling on it's axis.
Also the wraithlord only needs a few hits in the limbs to really decrease it's fighting ability, whilst the dreadnought is just armoured everywhere.

Buy you still forget that wraithbone is tougher and stronger then metal, the limbs wont just snap of, maybe you can melt them away, but the wraith could simply push the melta away, or navagate away from it as the wraith is more flexable and more faster.

PURE SKINZzz wrote:O true,k but this is 1v1 close combat were talking about here. cos either of them could shoot them from far away

Yeah that's what i was talking about.

purplefood wrote:Yeah also in close combat i'd say the dread has a unique fighting style any direct blow at the sarcophagus can be deflected by swivling on it's axis.
Also the wraithlord only needs a few hits in the limbs to really decrease it's fighting ability, whilst the dreadnought is just armoured everywhere.

This is all very true because the dread is armoured where as the wraithlord has only got its natural armour

Unreal Toast wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah also in close combat i'd say the dread has a unique fighting style any direct blow at the sarcophagus can be deflected by swivling on it's axis.
Also the wraithlord only needs a few hits in the limbs to really decrease it's fighting ability, whilst the dreadnought is just armoured everywhere.

Buy you still forget that wraithbone is tougher and stronger then metal, the limbs wont just snap of, maybe you can melt them away, but the wraith could simply push the melta away, or navagate away from it as the wraith is more flexable and more faster.

Or the dread uses it's power claw to rip it's arm off and beat it to death... but it's already dead so just beat it to death again.

purplefood wrote:

Unreal Toast wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah also in close combat i'd say the dread has a unique fighting style any direct blow at the sarcophagus can be deflected by swivling on it's axis.
Also the wraithlord only needs a few hits in the limbs to really decrease it's fighting ability, whilst the dreadnought is just armoured everywhere.

Buy you still forget that wraithbone is tougher and stronger then metal, the limbs wont just snap of, maybe you can melt them away, but the wraith could simply push the melta away, or navagate away from it as the wraith is more flexable and more faster.

Or the dread uses it's power claw to rip it's arm off and beat it to death... but it's already dead so just beat it to death again.

HAHA i can imagen it now, a dread beating a wraithlord to... erm... 2nd death??? with its own arm haha

A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

I'd say the two are pretty evenly matched, fluff-wise. I can see easy justifications for why either one could defeat the other.

As a side note, this is also represented on the table, for once.

kill dem stunties wrote:A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

It's background not tabletop

kill dem stunties wrote:A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

Realistic in the 40k world...not the board game.

And also, the dred wont even got close enough anyway, it will be blasted in peices before it gets close enough or even in firing range with its melta.

What if it had a lascannon?

Then you cannot has melta and will suffer the CC

It has a gigantic fist for CC not the melta.

kill dem stunties wrote:A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

Fail... not tabletop, in the 40k world

Yes but the wraith has a sword with better range and better mobility.