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TsarNikolai wrote:
All im going to say is Furioso Dread from the BA chapter would SMASH everyone's walkers.
Bjorn the Fell handed>BA Furisio>Venerable dreadnought>Dreadnought
Good Day, The Tsar
(SKINZz and Toast knows who this is)

Fixed that for you.

purplefood wrote:

TsarNikolai wrote:
All im going to say is Furioso Dread from the BA chapter would SMASH everyone's walkers.
Bjorn the Fell handed>BA Furisio>Venerable dreadnought>Dreadnought
Good Day, The Tsar
(SKINZz and Toast knows who this is)

Fixed that for you.

I will have to agree there but at least my old Furioso doesn't sleep for millenia at a time

I remember seeing an old metal eldar wraithlord, resculpted to be crouching ontop of the space marine dreadnought, like a cat, and reaching down with one hand to tear open the front panel of the enormous washing machine on legs, whilst the sm dread flailed it's arms around uselessly. That summed it up for me.

I think a wraithlord would kick the ass of a dred in cc. Fluid movement and reactions, able to do things like leap and kick, superior millions of years old tech from a race who ruled the galaxy like gods... yeah, my money's on the WL.

Perhaps if the dred got a good hold on the WL, might be different, but I doubt it'd get the chance.

Idont understand why everyone assumes that the dread is strong enough to snap the wraithlord's limbs easily. They have extremely strong wraithbone limbs which are thousands of years more advanced than the dreads.

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Idont understand why everyone assumes that the dread is strong enough to snap the wraithlord's limbs easily. They have extremely strong wraithbone limbs which are thousands of years more advanced than the dreads.

Going off the idea that the gameplay is somewhat extrapolated from the fluff it would be because a Dread would rip open a hole in a Monolith without straining himself too much, that and the point that he can open most all tanks like tuna cans.

Luco wrote:

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Idont understand why everyone assumes that the dread is strong enough to snap the wraithlord's limbs easily. They have extremely strong wraithbone limbs which are thousands of years more advanced than the dreads.

Going off the idea that the gameplay is somewhat extrapolated from the fluff it would be because a Dread would rip open a hole in a Monolith without straining himself too much, that and the point that he can open most all tanks like tuna cans.

Monolith - made of metal

Wraithlord - made of wraithbone

Your comment is kinda irrelevant to what he said, it would be next to impossible for the dread to snap wraithbone, his best bet would be to melt it but even then in the time it would take to melt it the wraithlord could have killed the dread :/

Sorry Toasty got point out that monolith are made out of very strong REGENERATING metal. The same metal that all necrons, apart from Pariahs, are made out of. I've seen (ala DOW) and read in the cron codex that Warriors are ridiculously durable. I doubt either Lord or Nought could get to a monolith without sustaining huge amounts of damage
Thus the Monolith example may not be the best one to use
Rather ask the question Adamantium+Ceramite vs Wraithbone

Even so, wraithbone is still much much stronger then the physical strength of a dreadnaught.

I hate crons.....i really do.

Tabletop, I would guess Wraithlord because it just needs one good hit, but really it is up in the air depending on their armament.

Imaginatively, I would go with the wraithlord because they are agile and fluid, where the dread is pretty clunky and unmaneuverable. Both have firepower, both are tough, neither one feels pain or fear, but as far as quickness goes, it would be like matching up Bruce Lee to King Kong Bundy.

In that movie 'Avatar', one of the little blue man group guys was able to defeat a dreadnought, and I'm pretty sure that was based on actually events. So if the blue man group man can do it, then it'd be a breeze for a wraithlord.

Lt. Coldfire This argument is abstract enough with out you trying to use exampkles from other movies.

Damage in getting there isnt apart of the question, purely strength vs material, in which the dreadnought ccw, which is also a power weapon, can put a hole in a monolith, again in the theory that the gameplay is an extrapolation of the fluff. If the dreadnought could hit the wl then it should be enough to at least put it off balance enough that it would get a follow up strike.

Going on a different example, the Dreadnought could also tear apart a Land Raider.

Deff Dred.

Nothing as panzee as a Wraithlord could ever stand up to the sheer stompy rage of a Deff Dred!

Not to get off topic, But i think a talos would take them both..... In fluff and on the table. Yeah its a metal torture chamber made too walk and cause damage, while taking taking punishment too...

I mean after i read some fluff about a talos and how they rip about carnifexes, dreads, and wraithlords, I would have tom put my money on it, then a wraithlord, then a fex, dread, deff dread, with killer kans coming in last
IMO.

Toast, wraithbone is not imoossible to break so you cant use that as a reason for it to win because the armour plated metal the dread uses is very tough and thick. also they are basically chapter savers because, as mentioned before, they are only awoken when a chapter is in danger. Meaning they are basically the un-beatable machine.

Yeah but what im saying is its impossible for a dreadnaught to break wraithbone because it just wouldnt have the strength. and wraithlords take extremely powerfull eldar, and the souls themselves are war heroes.

And also the dread armour might be think but its still just machine metal, the wraithblade would still penetrate it fairly nicely. and as previously stated the wraithlord is far more agile, the dreadnaught speed just wouldnt be able to keep up.

Its a machine, of course it has the strength. Its super human strength. But i knw where your coming from with the wraithbone strength. But a dread can drag it around if it grabs its arm

Ok so according to both sides, the warmachines after fighting hundereds of thousands of foes across the hundreds of years they had been alive(or dead in some cases), would just sit there punching each other because neither can get thrugh the armour of the other.

purplefood wrote:Ok so according to both sides, the warmachines after fighting hundereds of thousands of foes across the hundreds of years they had been alive(or dead in some cases), would just sit there punching each other because neither can get thrugh the armour of the other.

That won't work, as there can be only one!

If Wraithlord and Dreadnought Clashed in a novel/Codex/Any other publication they may use, the one that would win would probably be the one belonging to the Faction that the story is about ( if it was an Eldar story, Wraithlord would prolly win and Vice-versa).

A Similar thing was brought up on Advanced Tau Tactica a while ago, except is was a Banshee vs a Space Marine.

Wraithlord V Dreadnought is kinda the same thing. You got one that is very fast and agile and could hit with alot of attacks vs one that can take alot of punishment and can dish out just as much as it's taking but attacks slow in compared to the opponent.

Now here's the difference: Fluff wise, a Banshee would damn near Explode if the Space Marine hit once but the banshee could in theory dodge all the attacks and have the Marine die to a ton of really light wounds. I don't think the Wraithlord would have that same problem vs the Dreadnought. We've never seen a Wraithlord VS a Dreadnought so we can't really go either way with it. Until we get a novel were a Dread and a Wraithlord meet in combat, the only thing we have to go by is the TT. IF a book is ever written, it'd prolly be with the Space marines as the Protagonist, so the Dread will win ( Or the Eldar one would be written by Goto and the Wraithlord would never see combat, it'd be some sort of Slanneshi Tanksurfing Farseer with an Eldar version of a Multilaser that killed the Dreadnought)

God that would be a good good one can only hope for this book to be written haha.

I would read that book too.

yea the dread would kill it bad.

massive strength AND thick armor = WIN

besides Wraithlords don't even have eyes, so the dread would win a shooting contest as well.

This is a silly thread but I have to point out that all eldar vehicles are made of wraithbone. So sports fans what is the armor of falcons, wave serpents and so on? Twelve. and the armor of dreadnoughts? Twelve. so enough talk about wraithbone being tougher its not.

Also consider the rolls required to wound a T8 model vs a AV12 vehicle:
S7- 5+ to wound/5 to glance
S8- 4+ to wound/4 to glance
S9- 3+ to wound/3 to glance
and so on.
It's true that you can't kill a wraithlord with one hit but you need to roll one higher than above to get a chance of killing a dread in one hit so it ends up being pretty even.

a wraithlord against a dreadnaught? well. They both have their qualities, but I think the thick armor and ungodly strength on a dread will pummel the wraithlord into submission. better yet. a crazed Chaos dreadnought is even more powerful in CC, also able to fire off its guns in higher bursts at deadly accuracy. Its crazed and random movements will put the wraithlord under serious pressure, its bound to make a mistake and take one of those talons to the face/gut and be crushed out-right.


Then again.. a defiler just walks up to either of them and tears them apart like a wish-bone

ah... but the wraithlord gets a re-roll to hit in cc.

But what about at range? Many players use a brightlance + wraithblade combo because most Eldar with access to a Brightlance have BS3 while we realise it makes more sense to put it on the guy who can shoot more accurately.

An equivalently equipped dread would probably have a twim-linked lascannon and dread ccw. A wraithlord can take a couple of lascannon hits and still function the same, while every brightlance hit will likely penetrate, and while it may not destroy it, every hit cripples it in some way on the damage table, losing a weapon, getting immobilised, losing its next shot, etc. An imobilized dreadnought is just asking for a backshot, a stunned or shaken dread is useless, and a weapon destroyedmakes it likewise useless because if it loses its lascans the wraith will just stay at range, if it loses its ccw the wraith will close. Meanwhile, the dread can at best just put a wound on the wraith who will continue to function just fine until it is dead.

wraith I'd bet. Better manouverability.

Fluff wise. A Dreadnought is a machine controlled by a dead space marine. A wraithlord is a thousand year old warrior with wraithbone skin who not only towers over a dread but is far more agile. Whereas a dreadnought is a gun turret/power fist on clunky metal legs.

Fulgrim even had trouble defeating a wraithlord.

My monstrous creature can beat up your monstrous creature.

Wraithlords can do one thing that dreads can't.

Clap.


Their arms are longer, so they have reach, and unlike dreads, CAN'T be stunned or one-shotted (except by a couple of uncommon weapons).

Dread, being dropped out of storm raven, landing on top of wraithlord. Splat!