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But once again it could grab the sword and move it away from its sarcophagus

I still don't think the sword can get through the dreads armour

Wraithlord would react to slowly for the dread seeing as how there's no warlock in the fight keeping it focused. . . plus those spirit stones offer a nice sparkly target =)


(this may be the silliest thread ever )

I honestly cant see the dread being fast enough to counter the speed of the wraith, the wraith is agile while the dread is lumbering and heavy like you said

Lucid wrote:Wraithlord would react to slowly for the dread seeing as how there's no warlock in the fight keeping it focused. . . plus those spirit stones offer a nice sparkly target =)


(this may be the silliest thread ever )

Very true, without a warlock it is very sluggish and stupid

They might not be quick enough initially but it's armour will last it there while the wraithlord isn't quick enough to kill it before taking hits from the dread.

Oh yeah well what if the dread need an oil change lol

What if the wraithlord needs a... spirit change... or a nap... or he trips over those big lanky legs of his.

Wraithlord. Far more mobile and a wraithbone sword would be ownage.

While fluff is definitely different from tabletop rules, I think there is still a connection that can be used to extrapolate information one might be interested in.

10 quick close combats of Wraithlord with Wraithblade (100pts) vs. Dreadnought (105pts) ended with 8:2 in favour of the Wraithlord. Even with statistical error, that's rather clear.

I don't base my answer on this, I'd only like to use it as bonus evidence: I think, if "average" Wraithlords piloted by "average" Eldar souls fight against your "average" half-dead Marine in a Dreadnought...the Wraithlord will win. While a Dreadnought is heavily armoured and definitely strong, the same holds true for the Wraithlord. It doesn't look like it is tough, but it IS tough, because it's made of Wraithbone and because Eldar technology surpasses Imperial technology in many ways. While the ferocity and close-combat skills of both combatants might equal, I think the not-even-really-living hard-as-nails Wraithlord body can just take more punishment than even a millenia-old Space Marine Dreadnought. And by being able to take more punishment while dishing out equal destruction, this victory goes to the Eldar for me.

Statistically speaking.

purplefood wrote:What if the wraithlord needs a... spirit change... or a nap... or he trips over those big lanky legs of his.

This actually made me lol


But i dont think spirits can sleep....i mean they kinda already are 0.0

Witzkatz wrote:While fluff is definitely different from tabletop rules, I think there is still a connection that can be used to extrapolate information one might be interested in.

10 quick close combats of Wraithlord with Wraithblade (100pts) vs. Dreadnought (105pts) ended with 8:2 in favour of the Wraithlord. Even with statistical error, that's rather clear.

I don't base my answer on this, I'd only like to use it as bonus evidence: I think, if "average" Wraithlords piloted by "average" Eldar souls fight against your "average" half-dead Marine in a Dreadnought...the Wraithlord will win. While a Dreadnought is heavily armoured and definitely strong, the same holds true for the Wraithlord. It doesn't look like it is tough, but it IS tough, because it's made of Wraithbone and because Eldar technology surpasses Imperial technology in many ways. While the ferocity and close-combat skills of both combatants might equal, I think the not-even-really-living hard-as-nails Wraithlord body can just take more punishment than even a millenia-old Space Marine Dreadnought. And by being able to take more punishment while dishing out equal destruction, this victory goes to the Eldar for me.

Statistically speaking.

Luck can change everything.

Witzkatz wrote:While fluff is definitely different from tabletop rules, I think there is still a connection that can be used to extrapolate information one might be interested in.

10 quick close combats of Wraithlord with Wraithblade (100pts) vs. Dreadnought (105pts) ended with 8:2 in favour of the Wraithlord. Even with statistical error, that's rather clear.

I don't base my answer on this, I'd only like to use it as bonus evidence: I think, if "average" Wraithlords piloted by "average" Eldar souls fight against your "average" half-dead Marine in a Dreadnought...the Wraithlord will win. While a Dreadnought is heavily armoured and definitely strong, the same holds true for the Wraithlord. It doesn't look like it is tough, but it IS tough, because it's made of Wraithbone and because Eldar technology surpasses Imperial technology in many ways. While the ferocity and close-combat skills of both combatants might equal, I think the not-even-really-living hard-as-nails Wraithlord body can just take more punishment than even a millenia-old Space Marine Dreadnought. And by being able to take more punishment while dishing out equal destruction, this victory goes to the Eldar for me.

Statistically speaking.

Thats very true. The Eldar tech is better. and the marine is half dead and can barely see out of that slit in the front anyway.

Unreal Toast wrote:

purplefood wrote:What if the wraithlord needs a... spirit change... or a nap... or he trips over those big lanky legs of his.

This actually made me lol


But i dont think spirits can sleep....i mean they kinda already are 0.0

Well if they're already asleep then it''l be easy for the dreadnought.

No it just means it hasnt gotta be awake to kill a dreadnaught

Unreal Toast wrote:

Witzkatz wrote:While fluff is definitely different from tabletop rules, I think there is still a connection that can be used to extrapolate information one might be interested in.

10 quick close combats of Wraithlord with Wraithblade (100pts) vs. Dreadnought (105pts) ended with 8:2 in favour of the Wraithlord. Even with statistical error, that's rather clear.

I don't base my answer on this, I'd only like to use it as bonus evidence: I think, if "average" Wraithlords piloted by "average" Eldar souls fight against your "average" half-dead Marine in a Dreadnought...the Wraithlord will win. While a Dreadnought is heavily armoured and definitely strong, the same holds true for the Wraithlord. It doesn't look like it is tough, but it IS tough, because it's made of Wraithbone and because Eldar technology surpasses Imperial technology in many ways. While the ferocity and close-combat skills of both combatants might equal, I think the not-even-really-living hard-as-nails Wraithlord body can just take more punishment than even a millenia-old Space Marine Dreadnought. And by being able to take more punishment while dishing out equal destruction, this victory goes to the Eldar for me.

Statistically speaking.

Thats very true. The Eldar tech is better. and the marine is half dead and can barely see out of that slit in the front anyway.

Ok there isn't litterally a half-dead marine there he's linked up to a life support system and has opticl scanner thingies and robot ears etc etc sci-fi stuff.

Luck can change everything.

That's the reason I said "statistically speaking".

Of course, there will be battles where a Dreadnought might win. A Marine who fought against Eldar all his life before being imprisoned in a Dreadnought shell might very well have better chances against a Wraithlord piloted by a rather newly-resurrected soul, who is not yet used to this way of combat. There are many ways, fluff- and narrative-wise why each of both combatants could win - I'm just saying that your 08/15 Dread will, on average, lose against your 08/15 Wraithlord.

Witzkatz wrote:

Luck can change everything.

That's the reason I said "statistically speaking".

Of course, there will be battles where a Dreadnought might win. A Marine who fought against Eldar all his life before being imprisoned in a Dreadnought shell might very well have better chances against a Wraithlord piloted by a rather newly-resurrected soul, who is not yet used to this way of combat. There are many ways, fluff- and narrative-wise why each of both combatants could win - I'm just saying that your 08/15 Dread will, on average, lose against your 08/15 Wraithlord.

Fair point. To be honest they are both so equally matched most people would give equal odds on both of them. I have stated my opinions and i'm gonna leave someone else to discuss it now.

At the end of the day a dread would kick the hell out of the wraithlord for one reason only... eldar are ballerinas

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kill dem stunties wrote:A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

Realistic in the 40k world...not the board game.

And also, the dred wont even got close enough anyway, it will be blasted in peices before it gets close enough or even in firing range with its melta.

You missed my point.

The game is an abstraction of the fluff.

You shoot a dread with a meltagun theres a very good chance he will explode. Machinery is very vulnerable to stuff like this.

You shoot a wraithlord with the same meltagun, he will feel it, but hes not anywhere near dead, and hes still coming to smash your face. A wraithlord is not a machine, he does not have things inside him fulfilling fuctions necessary to his operation, excepting a very small spirit stone. The entire thing is basically just insanely tough psychic plastic, notyhing inside it but a soul, you need to completely destroy a wraithlord, or somhow get its spirit stone broken, which is harder than disabling him in other ways, as its in the most protected, heavily armored spot of the lord.

It really depends on weapon loadouts and whether it is a straight up melee fight or involves ranged combat as well.

At any rate if the Wraithlord has a Brightlance, and we are including ranged; then the Wraithlord may win based on outranging the Dread(unless the Dread has T-L Lascannon and starts at his long range).

If the Wraithlord and the Dread somehow both end up in Melee, unscathed and without ever getting a shot off at eachother; Then it comes down to a tie. Gamewise they swing at the same time; so fluff-wise they are equally fast and agile(yes I just called a washing machine on stumpy legs "agile").

Both are effectively Robots; But only the wraithlord can wreck the Dread on the first swing that lands. The wraithlord with a wraithsword also has a better chance of landing a Blow first so i went ahead and voted Wraithlord.

1. wraithlords are controlled by spirits of great champions.
2. wraithbone is very very very strong.
3. wraithlords are probably be much more nimble, because of the lesser weight and the fact there is very little bulk.
4. a bright lance would penetrate and effectively evapourate the dreads controller.

In my book the wraithlord would always win.

PURE SKINZzz wrote:At the end of the day a dread would kick the hell out of the wraithlord for one reason only... eldar are ballerinas

Ok Sloth that's MY WORD for eldar not yours....
Wraithlord vs Dreadnought? Hmm...Well with my experience of all DOW games and a couple of years on and off the Tabletop I would have to say Dread. This is only really due to the the fact the Marine can still think and process thought better than a Lord because the Lord is being controlled with a spirit stone and warlock.
Tabletop wise Wraithlords have the advantage but that's it.

All im going to say is Furioso Dread from the BA chapter would SMASH everyone's walkers.
Furioso > Ven > Lord=/=Dread
Good Day, The Tsar
(SKINZz and Toast knows who this is)

People are mis interpreting the whole relationship between the warlock and the wraithlord, all the warlock does is keep him focused , to "guide the soul" in combat when responding to orders, objectives and maybe even targeting a particular unit, however there are fail safes for the wraithlord in case a warlock isnt present, such as the sentience that lies withing the wraithblade that controlls itself and helps the wraithlord guide the blade into its victims, the wraithlord can also communicate telepathicaly which means it could request assistence from a warlock at any time in which he could then be his maximum effeciency. and there are other points to consider such as:

The wraithlords armour and tech far exceeds the dreadnaught.

The soul that controlls the wraithlord is a hero of the eldar and is therefore very experianced as most wraithlords also date back milenia like the ven dreads.

The brightlance cannon would kill a dread in one shot.

and the wraithblade is powerfull enough to peirce straight into a dreadnaught sarcougagus.

Im probably missing something, but the dreadnaught is just a machine with pipes and wires that are just waiting to be ripped of (which would also disable the dreadnaught)

Machines are ment to be broken

Actually, if your just going from the fluff, then the Dreadnought would win the majority of the time. In the fluff dreadnoughts are only awoken in the direst of times, mostly when the entire chapter is threatened. In the fluff they are pretty much unstopable killing machines which outmatch everything they are put up against, however in the game, they are balanced to meet a point cost.

I think the Dreadnought would win, and if he thought he was about to be destroyed he would detinate his reactor takeing the wraithlord and a good chunk of the city out with him.

Catyrpelius wrote: In the fluff dreadnoughts are only awoken in the direst of times, mostly when the entire chapter is threatened. In the fluff they are pretty much unstopable killing machines which outmatch everything they are put up against, however in the game, they are balanced to meet a point cost.

I think the Dreadnought would win, and if he thought he was about to be destroyed he would detinate his reactor takeing the wraithlord and a good chunk of the city out with him.

Another of my points that i forgot to mention, the self destruct method. This clearly Shows that they would win
thanks for the input man, you reminded me of another thing the dread can do haha

Catyrpelius wrote:Actually, if your just going from the fluff, then the Dreadnought would win the majority of the time. In the fluff dreadnoughts are only awoken in the direst of times, mostly when the entire chapter is threatened. In the fluff they are pretty much unstopable killing machines which outmatch everything they are put up against, however in the game, they are balanced to meet a point cost.

I think the Dreadnought would win, and if he thought he was about to be destroyed he would detinate his reactor takeing the wraithlord and a good chunk of the city out with him.

Its also in the fluff that a single wraithlord can change the tide of battle, and are one of the eldar's most prized units as they take an extreamely powerfull farseer or warlock to wake.

I think its well known that dreadnaughts arent a easy kill however if it detonates its core, that means it must be loosing and if it detonates againt a wraithlord then the wraithlord must be winning to begin with.

Oh and also its un heard of in the fluff that a dreadnaught has ever gone head to head with a wraithlord (as for as i know) so to assume thats its unstoppable to a wraithlord isnt a very fair and accurate assumption, you would need some facts, which is what the people of both sides have beeen doing since the thread was made.

kill dem stunties wrote:A wraithlord would smash a dread to pieces ....

Dread- "HAH 2 wounds
Wraithlord "ouch, destroyed explodes, sucks to be you".

Not trying to be mean, but most of the reasons a dread would win so far sound like something a 6 year old boy would write for his favorite saturday cartoon .....

Yeah exactly what I was thinking.
I play Eldar (as well as CSMs) and I honestly think that it's fairly even in cc as well as at range.


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Still, I'd prefer my Wraithlord's chances of survival over a Dreadnought.


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PURE SKINZzz wrote:At the end of the day a dread would kick the hell out of the wraithlord for one reason only... eldar are ballerinas

XD Whereas Space Marines worship a guy who died on his toilet after getting beaten up by his rebellious son.

The poll says it all xeno lover

Not really, the poll is just merely a reference, especialy when its known their are allot more of SM fans then Xeno fans :/

In the written conversation me thinks the wraithlord has definately got better reasons and backed up facts why it would win.