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Pretty simple, I want to buy a Baneblade since it's a cheap Super Heavy and I simply don't have the $ to buy the only Marine Super Heavy (Thunder Hawks are expensives ).

So here comes the main question... how do I paint it?

I could use my Chapter's color (Crimson Fists)... it's not very fluff friendly, although I could say it's been requisitioned from Rynn's world PDF and repainted because of that...

I could paint it the color of the Rynn's Guard (Cream colored, according to the Rynn's world book)... but I'm not sure if it would come out good or how it would fit/clash with my army.

And of course, I can paint it a more traditional camo color (Green, Gray, etc)... but that seems kinda boring.

Any opinion/suggestions? What would you do?


As a sidenote, I'm also thinking of buying an airbrush of somekind, as painting such a big tank with a brush doesn't sound like a lot of fun...

I've got no real input on how to paint it since it's yours to paint, but you cannot really justify it fluffwise apart from running an Inquisitorial taskforce with both IG and SM.

There are preciously few Baneblades compared to the size of the Imperium and it's not a small matter to requisition a Baneblade seeing as they're in extreme cases not used by the tank regiment's command.

It's not that odd for SMs to requisition Super heavies from guard companies.

Just paint the Baneblade in the colours of the local PDF.

S_P

Müller wrote:I've got no real input on how to paint it since it's yours to paint, but you cannot really justify it fluffwise apart from running an Inquisitorial taskforce with both IG and SM.

There are preciously few Baneblades compared to the size of the Imperium and it's not a small matter to requisition a Baneblade seeing as they're in extreme cases not used by the tank regiment's command.

That's not really true...the Astartes would likely get a priority to requisition one due mainly to their place in the relative hierarchy of the mess that is the Imperium. Also, if you are playing Crimson Fists, you could always use an 'Imperial Fists' baneblade, as during the heresy Space Marine Legions kept baneblades and they fought with their own forces, I think BOLS called them Fellblades, not sure if the name is Canon, or just a BOLS creation, but we know they were used by the Legions, and I'm sure as the Siege Masters/Defenders The Imperial Fists had a few baneblades in their arsenel, and with Astartes care being what it is, many of those are likely around today.

I say paint it yellow to look like an Imp Fists one loaned to the Crimson Fists in their quest to recover their chapter's strength after the Rynn's World debacle.




TLR - Paint it yellow because Imperial Fists have them and would likely lend them to a successor chapter.

Heh, there is no way that PDF trolls would ever get their mucky paws on a baneblade

However, beyond that minor fluff point it would be possible to justify any colour scheme. Depending on the situation and the length of time it gets assigned to the chapter it could be repainted in chapter colours as a mark of respect, it could be put into an appropriate camo scheme by Departmento Munitorum before issue, it might have a long and noble history and therefore keep the paint scheme it has had for millenia. Go crazy.

You forget that the departmento munitorum don't have baneblades ready for assignment.

These are vehicles that dates back thousands of years, that have belonged in regiments for millennia.

Fellblades do exist in the fluff but sweet f**k all is known about them apart from the fact that they were used in the Great Crusade and one is named to be used by the sons of horus during the HH, BoLS just made them into a predecessor to the blaneblade I think. In game turns it is just a baneblade with BS 4 and costs 600 points.

If you want to use it as a fellblade you could paint it in the Crimson Fists chapter colours saying it was on permenant reassginment from the Imperial Fists.

IIRC in the tale of 4 gamers, the guy who collected Crimson Fists had the them get a baneblade off a IG armoud regiment. so if fluff nazis have a go at you just tell to check out the apocalyse game from a tale of 4 gamers.

IMHO I think you should paint it in the Crimson Fists colours just to keep it all together instead of saying XXX armoured regiment has let the Crimson Fists borrow a baneblade

Lots of ways to justify a Baneblade in a Space Marine army. First off, there's nothing to say that the Baneblade in question wasn't requisitioned from the Planetary Defence Force of either the world hosting the Space Marine fortress or the world where the combat action is taking place. It's even possible that the Baneblade was a gift for some valiant service by the Space Marine chapter.

Some of the more siege orientated SM may well have one.

Uhm.... no
They aren't given away as gifts, if it's one thing the IG don't have it's technology, and especially things dated back from the dark age of technology.
Nothing that substantial will be given away, neither would the marines want to use it (generally) for their own. They are not a force that fights in great tank battles, should they be in a battle that needs super heavies then the IG WILL be present with such a force. SM are the tip of the spear, they take out key-positions and strikes down the enemy's leadership, they DON'T engage in ground-pounding combat where their skill is negated by an extremely vast enemy force.

As I see it, you've got three questions you should answer if you want this tank to be a Crimson Fists or PDF vehicle:

1. How did they get it? Baneblades don't grow on trees, and most IG commanders would not have the authority to just hand one over to your Crimson Fists.

2. How do they move it? The Space Marines do not use the larger dropships of the Imperial Navy, meaning their fleet lacks the capacity to move such a large tank to and from orbit.

3. What do they use it for? A strike force like the Space Marines will only be slowed down by a vehicle that moves significantly slower than the rest of their vehicles and cannot be transported by Thunderhawk.

For my own superheavy...

Ipainted one for my SM army a year or so ago, just because I wanted something as a centre piece, and like you could not afford, or justify the expense of the forgeworld Thunderhawk.

I painted it in my chapters colours http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/65947-Banablade.html?m=2

How do I justify it in a game/fluff beyond I want one.
How about that it was reclaimed during a protracted and bloody war, which cost the chapter a large number of bothers. Due to the cost in lives the Chapter Master degreed that henceforth this baeblade would remain with the chapter, as the souls of the fallen now reside within this mighty beast.

Well something along those line.

Alternatively, the departmento munitorum gave the baneblade to the chapter as a means of repaying some dept of honour.

The hardest part is not justifying the baneblade its agreeing on the cost point wise as SM have a higher BS than guards.

I have one in my black templars army, and how I justified it is like this...

(using AlexHolker's questions with answers.)

1. My crusade found it while retaking a lost world for the Imperium, being a storm lord they knew they would need it at some point.

2. A modified landing platform that uses drop pod tech to quickly deploy it to the battlefield and once on the ground and after the battle, the platform is broken down and a smaller SM frigate is prepaired to take it back to orbit with the storm lord. (being a fleet based chapter, modified ships would not be a rare site to see)

3. Only used on a rare chance that the crusade needs more power than just the LRC to break the lines, the storm lord is called into action and used as a spear head with a LRC formation, unloading it's deadly cargo of space marines.

You can also check it out in my gallery if you want to see it, its not painted but heavily modified.

If you want it, get it.

As to fluff, it's easy to justify anything in the 41st millenium. True Mars pattern baneblades may be rare, but other forgeworlds are known to make imitations of varying quality. So the number isn't quite so limited. Additionally, their are similar function other vehicles (such as the fellblades or the mecharius). And SMs may have it on loan, may have salvaged it (techmarines are quite skilled and have a whole armory), captured it (Chaos has gotten a few that might be reclaimed, for example), been gifted it, etc. Partcularly, factions such as the Iron Hands and Imperial Fists seem to be the type that would utilize such a vehicle. I would imagine the Space Wolves have a few squirreled away (pre Heresy fellblades) and that the UMs have some in their defense planetary forces.

EmperorsChampion wrote:

1. My crusade found it while retaking a lost world for the Imperium, being a storm lord they knew they would need it at some point.

This would be the most likely (and probably only) way that a space marine chapter would get their hands on a Baneblade or other superheavy tank. And you could bet your ass that the Adeptus Mechanicus will demand it back, were one to be found.



If they had found one, a chapter master would do his darndest to keep it secret, or be forced to turn it over to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

The way I see it, I'm already playing a Crimson Fist army after the Rynn's World incident, the idea being that the Crimson Fist have regained enough number to be an effective fighting force (As suggested in many books - I take my fluff for my CF from the Lexicanum, the Rynn's World Book and the SM Codex... and I also did a bit of extrapolating).

As such, I use a lot of vehicles (It's easier to fill up missing manpower with more metal than to find/train people into space marines) and I don't really use battle damage - those vehicles are pretty much brand new, since the majority of the CF's mechanized component have been destroyed. This means that the CF (well, my CF) have had some changes in combat doctrines.

So on with the 3 questions...

1. How did they get it?

The CF are known to be the 'lapdog' of the Inquisition/High Lord of Terra, having eliminated chapters believed to be traitors under the orders of the Inquisition/High Lord of Terra. They are also very eager volunteer for the Deathwatch... in short, they don't lack for powerful friends in the Imperium.

So why do they get one? Well, see it as a mix of good gesture from the Imperium to help restore a respected Chapter and pressure from the Inquisition/High Lord of Terra to give their favorite errand boys some new toys so that they can continue their job.

The way I see it, the Bane Blade is probably only there until a time when the CF are considered restored enough not to need one anymore, the Bane Blade is painted in the scheme of the CF as a gesture of respect (And in order to sooth their bruised ego that they ever need the help...). This also explains the BS3 - it's not Space Marines piloting it, but human soldiers.

2. How do they move it?

For 9,000 years before they were given Rynn's World has a homeworld, the CF were a fleet based Chapter (that's part of the reason why they even survived the Rynn's World debacles...)... so they have tons of ships. One of them somewhere has got to be big enough to carry a Baneblade... Baneblade are actually fairly tiny when compared to even an Escort-Class ship anyway...

3. What do they use it for?

Shoot stuff?

As said in many fluff source, the CF are recovering from their lost a Rynn's World, but they aren't at a full force. The Baneblade is used in situation where the firepower a full chapter would normally have escape the weakened CF... in that case, they bring in the big gun. The Crimson Fist also had to adapt and change their combat doctrine somewhat, having to rely a lot more on mechanized combat since their near destruction, making the Baneblade a much easier fit in their battle plan than for the average Chapter.


So that's my stab at those... not bad I think.

I like it.

Now go paint it!

you're only allowed to use a baneblade in APOC so does it actually matter (in APOC you could inlude an eldar or necron stompa so think for a bit)?

sluggaslugga wrote:you're only allowed to use a baneblade in APOC so does it actually matter (in APOC you could inlude an eldar or necron stompa so think for a bit)?

Since he wants (and is specifically asking for) a fluffy reason for it to be painted like a specific chapter, then yes it does matter. If he just wanted to throw one in an Apoc game, he could have just painted it cammo or like an IG unit and been done with it.

Some people really like to stick to the background/fluff with their 40k models.

Like me for instance.
If you really want to give the baneblade a space marine look use plasticard to cover up all the bolts and then make it like it had a bit more of a modern way of constructing.
Then add chapter icons and maybe a spacemarine tank commander and storm bolter on the Baneblade.

sluggaslugga wrote:in APOC you could inlude an eldar or necron stompa so think for a bit?

Hold up...what? Stompa like Ork stompa, or as a generic term for a small titan class war machine?


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sluggaslugga wrote:Like me for instance.
If you really want to give the baneblade a space marine look use plasticard to cover up all the bolts and then make it like it had a bit more of a modern way of constructing.
Then add chapter icons and maybe a spacemarine tank commander and storm bolter on the Baneblade.

Actually, if you wanted to stay as fluff correct as possible you would want to make it look pre-heresy, as it would be a Fellblade as a few above have stated.

First off, it's a $80 toy so you should absolutely do what you want since it's your money.

That being said, were it me, I think I'd have a better time of it fluff-wise not incorporating it into my chapter at all. The reasons why a Baneblade might fight with a SM chapter are numerous and easy, the reasons an SM chapter would OWN a Baneblade, markedly less so. A Baneblade is a uniquely IG vehicle and it just doesn't match the high technology level that Space Marines field.

If say, a large IG garrisoned forge world nearly fell to Tyranids, I could see the planetary governor releasing a Baneblade for the personal use of the chapter that saved them all. I can't see the marines painting it up like a land raider, though. Just paint it in normal IG colors and field it.

Yeah! taht sounds pretty good but don't forget to write smile and watch the flash on the main cannon (picture time!...boom!...that was it?...BOOOM!!!...better?...)

I would say paint it in your crimson fists colours, they could have obtained it by destroying a traitorous imperial guard army besieging a distant system and then the crimson fists were awarded the spoils of war? happened at the end of the badab war afterall, the homeworlds of the Mantis Legion and the Executioners were forfeited to the Space Sharks and the Star Phantoms for their part in aiding the Tyrant of Badab. if they can be awarded homeworlds why cant the crimson fists be awarded a baneblade?

In my own army fluff, the SMs have close ties with the Governor General of the sector and thus routinely work with the Imperial Guardsmen there. The SMs share a design aesthetic with the guardsman, so the tanks do look uniform with either one.

However I started an entire Guard army solely for my baneblades, so yeah ^^;

Im glad Commisar Yarik rolls with the Templar now, i have long debated dabbling in some IG superheavys with my Templar.
Picture multiple tac squads rolling out of gorgons

Do gorgons have assault ramps? that would be awesome!

I play chaos and no one ever says that we cant have a super heavy tank in our armys and we are spacemarines, so why would it be any diffrent for "good" spacemarines to have one?

Chaos SMs tend to loot a Baneblade from the field, get one from a chaos forge, or is "given" one by traitor guardsmen in some hopes that the latter would be blessed in return. It's generally easier for Chaos to obtain something than it is for Loyalists.

just saying that if we can then im sure that the fluff can be made so a Loyalist army can have one. I am sure somewhere in the history of SM they managed to get hold of one and use it for them selfs. I seen no reason not to use one.