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The Emperor is a catatonic corpse, incapable of either physically fighting the Chaos gods or dying and becoming one of them.

The Imperium has become fanatical and religious, the precise opposite of what the Emperor intended.

Technology has stagnated, and as alien and supernatural threats loom humanity drifts deeper and deeper into despair - thus feeding Nurgle.

The Imperium is in a constant state of war and bloodshed, hateful against anything and everything - thus feeding Khorne.

Those at the highest levels of the Imperium scheme and plot and hoard knowledge - thus feeding Tzeentch.

Those same schemers and aristocrats sate their desires in extravagant ways as the masses hunger and lust for the pleasures denied to them - thus feeding Slaanesh.

Abaddon the Despoiler leads Crusade after Crusade, never winning but always posing enough of a threat to terrorize the entire Imperium.

Chaos won the Horus Heresy. It just didn't win in the spectacular, apocalyptic way everyone expected. Horus didn't need to slay the Emperor. Abaddon didn't have to sit on the Golden Throne. Cadia didn't have to be overrun and pillaged. Terra didn't have to burn. The Ecclesiarchy didn't have to bow to Chaos. That would have made it all too easy, too messy. Chaos won in an insidious and tidy way, a way that will forever ensure its dominance over the Galaxy. It allows humanity to live, feeding it with its emotions and lusts without the species even knowing.

Humanity spirals into a never-ending hell of hatred and ignorance, dying not with a triumphant final battle, but instead with a futile whimper of defiance, a whimper that is drowned out by the laughter of thirsting gods.

Chaos won.

I would say everyone is at a stalemate. Nobody having alot of weight over the other. Exactly what GW wants.

It is the verge of endgame, where there is an eternal stalemate for game reasons; if you timeline were to continue, then every army's endgame would start:

IoM: The Emperor would die and be re-born and the loyal Primarches would return
Chaos: Cadia would fall and the Eye of Terror would be opened by destroying the Pylons and another Heresy-esque assault on the Imperium of Man would start
Eldar: The Phoenix Lords would come together for the Rhana Dandra
Tyranids: The rest of Tyranid invasion force would enter the galaxy
Necrons: All Tomb Worlds would wake up simultaneously and the Void Dragon inside Mars would awaken
Tau: Unknown Endgame, possibly something to do with the Eathereals e.g. a possible link to the Old Ones?
Orks: One Warboss will rise up and unite the entire race under his banner

Chaos loses as per Star Child and Eye of Terror novel,the first Lord of Change said that when the Emperor's mortal shell dies,the real war begins.

Nobody 'loses', in fact, i'd say that Khorne has the chance of becoming one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, seeing as though he feeds off blood shed by any race (Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows) and that endgame would bring a lot of that.

If anything, one of the most titanic battles I can imagine is Tyranids vs Orks vs Khornate daemons, Orks gain power from fighting, Tyranids gain food from their fallen troops and the Orks, and Khorne gains power from the blood that is shed.

Avatar 720 wrote:Nobody 'loses', in fact, i'd say that Khorne has the chance of becoming one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, seeing as though he feeds off blood shed by any race (Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows) and that endgame would bring a lot of that.

If anything, one of the most titanic battles I can imagine is Tyranids vs Orks vs Khornate daemons, Orks gain power from fighting, Tyranids gain food from their fallen troops and the Orks, and Khorne gains power from the blood that is shed.

woo, that could get messy. the only thing missing from the Octavian Wars was Daemons.

Yeah I personally think that the Heresy went better for chaos than if they had won. Humans don't need leading to chaos they naturally feed it, they need a lot of help to free themselms from it. Chaos succeeded in defeating the emperor so humanity can't break away from chaos but kept humanity alive so they continue to feed them.

Chaos will never defeat the Tau Empire.

Tau don't fall to the Gods of the Warp.


Once the Empire brings to bear it's full military might against the pathetic stone throwing apes of the Imperium, they will bring a million Railguns to bear on anything that dares leave the warp.


All 4 Gods sitting in a pig pen of warp filth as the smallest, most powerful, technologically advanced Empire ever to exist wipes out the threat of corruption by merely being incorruptible.

Chaos will never defeat the Tau Empire.

Tau don't fall to the Gods of the Warp.

The Tau are uncorruptable, they are not unkillable. You don't need to turn them to Chaos in order to fry one with a plasmagun (they go well with chips and gravy) or stick it with a sword.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Chaos will never defeat the Tau Empire.

Tau don't fall to the Gods of the Warp.


Once the Empire brings to bear it's full military might against the pathetic stone throwing apes of the Imperium, they will bring a million Railguns to bear on anything that dares leave the warp.


All 4 Gods sitting in a pig pen of warp filth as the smallest, most powerful, technologically advanced Empire ever to exist wipes out the threat of corruption by merely being incorruptible.

Chaos did steal a Tau colony and mutated the inhabitants. ( F.Bile did it ). So how again is this Tau "empire" autowinning against chaos?
Can they protect their colonies? Seems not.
Shoot that demon with your railgun. It doesn't matter, the demons returns. Tau can't kill the chaos dwellers on their own plane of existance
which would be the only way. The "stone throwing apes otoh, can.

Tau have a small warp signature, thus their not of interest. But there is nothing to base the claim of incorruptible on.

Why the heck do Daemons even care about Tau , what do they realy mean to the Daemons. And I don't think you can protect all your colonies , the Tyranids and Necrons still pose a threat aswell as Chaos.

Daemons may be scary to the slow minded descendants of apes, that sleep a 1/3 of their life away while having nightmares about the horrors of the warp and take hours to understand a fear that takes Tau seconds to solve.

The Warp may be a Daemons playground, but in realspace they are target practice for hammerheads.

Plasma is a joke when a shield drone can shrug it off and compared to the ever evolving might of Railgun technology, we may aswell talk about how scary bayonets are.

The Imperium of Man may fear Daemons... But so long as the Tau Empire stands, Daemons have not won.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Daemons may be scary to the slow minded descendants of apes, that sleep a 1/3 of their life away while having nightmares about the horrors of the warp and take hours to understand a fear that takes Tau seconds to solve.

The Imperium of Man may fear Daemons... But so long as the Tau Empire stands, Daemons have not won.

Tau and solve? Are they able to solve the "friend / foe recognition issue" they have? Doesn't look like...

Good Bye little Tau "empire", was nice to know you. Demons got the whole eternity to screw you. They only need a entry point, maybe one of your newly aquired "allies" isn't incorruptible?
Kroot already proved to be changable.....

The Fact Kroot may turn on you and are easily corruptible and would betray the Empire , Vespids also could be corrupted. The Tau battle suits can't stop the Bloodletters plunging their Hell blades into the Battle suits with great ease and decapitating Fire Warriors while Lords of Changedestroy your long ranged vehicles with beams of magical energy.

1hadhq wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Daemons may be scary to the slow minded descendants of apes, that sleep a 1/3 of their life away while having nightmares about the horrors of the warp and take hours to understand a fear that takes Tau seconds to solve.

The Imperium of Man may fear Daemons... But so long as the Tau Empire stands, Daemons have not won.

Tau and solve? Are they able to solve the "friend / foe recognition issue" they have? Doesn't look like...

Good Bye little Tau "empire", was nice to know you. Demons got the whole eternity to screw you. They only need a entry point, maybe one of your newly aquired "allies" isn't incorruptible?
Kroot already proved to be changable.....

Chaos cannot claim victory over a mind it cannot seduce.

If Kroot can be turned, then Kroot will be killed.

The Tau Empire doesn't worry about worthless warp dogs. The seat of power in the Empire will never be contested.

An uncontested seat of power?

Maybe nobody wants it......

Heretics all of you! Once the emperor has enough believers he will become the 5th great chaos god.

Nope Chaos can't win.

Case in point, world wide Eye of Terror Campaign. Chaos WINS.

GW: Are bad the Cadian IG model lines one of are best seller. So lets call it a draw. Sure the player spent all that time and money playing a campaign to effect the outcome, but its not like we really care.


As for Tau, I like my steak bloody please.

Those at the highest levels of the Imperium scheme and plot and hoard knowledge - thus feeding Tzeentch.

Those same schemers and aristocrats sate their desires in extravagant ways as the masses hunger and lust for the pleasures denied to them - thus feeding Slaanesh.

I'd have to disagree with those two points.

Also, the Emperor is busy battling demons with his mind, so he's not just doing nothing. He does this in addition to lighting the astrominican.

1hadhq wrote:An uncontested seat of power?

Maybe nobody wants it......

Actions prove otherwise.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
If Kroot can be turned, then Kroot will be killed.

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Chicken fillets for all

Lets just all calm down and accept that orks are the best. There's no way around it, we have the shootiest guns, the loudest guns, the biggest guns, the flashiest guns, the lliest choppas, the loudest choppas, the biggest choppas, the flashiest (they're orks so this makes sense) choppas. And they is well 'ard.

(I have no real argument at the moment, I may return with one at a later date).

Hawkward wrote:The Emperor is a catatonic corpse, incapable of either physically fighting the Chaos gods or dying and becoming one of them.

The Imperium has become fanatical and religious, the precise opposite of what the Emperor intended.

Technology has stagnated, and as alien and supernatural threats loom humanity drifts deeper and deeper into despair - thus feeding Nurgle.

The Imperium is in a constant state of war and bloodshed, hateful against anything and everything - thus feeding Khorne.

Those at the highest levels of the Imperium scheme and plot and hoard knowledge - thus feeding Tzeentch.

Those same schemers and aristocrats sate their desires in extravagant ways as the masses hunger and lust for the pleasures denied to them - thus feeding Slaanesh.

Abaddon the Despoiler leads Crusade after Crusade, never winning but always posing enough of a threat to terrorize the entire Imperium.

Chaos won the Horus Heresy. It just didn't win in the spectacular, apocalyptic way everyone expected. Horus didn't need to slay the Emperor. Abaddon didn't have to sit on the Golden Throne. Cadia didn't have to be overrun and pillaged. Terra didn't have to burn. The Ecclesiarchy didn't have to bow to Chaos. That would have made it all too easy, too messy. Chaos won in an insidious and tidy way, a way that will forever ensure its dominance over the Galaxy. It allows humanity to live, feeding it with its emotions and lusts without the species even knowing.

Humanity spirals into a never-ending hell of hatred and ignorance, dying not with a triumphant final battle, but instead with a futile whimper of defiance, a whimper that is drowned out by the laughter of thirsting gods.

Chaos won.

Two words: Star Child

3 words: Just a theory.

4M2A wrote:3 words: Just a theory.

Several more words: Chaos victory is also just a theory.

Brother Coa wrote:

4M2A wrote:3 words: Just a theory.

Several more words: Chaos victory is also just a theory.

A theory? Correct: its an illusion.

Chaos never wins anywhere. Its the faction of villains who endlessly strife for power, but always fail in the end.


@BeefCakeSoup:

Actions? You got no proof who put your Tau on the diet plan of the nids.

Funnily,Tau don't even know who created their etherals..

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Daemons may be scary to the slow minded descendants of apes, that sleep a 1/3 of their life away while having nightmares about the horrors of the warp and take hours to understand a fear that takes Tau seconds to solve.

The Warp may be a Daemons playground, but in realspace they are target practice for hammerheads.

Plasma is a joke when a shield drone can shrug it off and compared to the ever evolving might of Railgun technology, we may aswell talk about how scary bayonets are.

The Imperium of Man may fear Daemons... But so long as the Tau Empire stands, Daemons have not won.

If every single Tau had an impenetrable shield generator, then that theory works, but as it stands it's laughably flawed.

Using your logic, a Space Marine with a Storm Shield could go toe-to-toe with an army of daemons and would win every time, in which case, why haven't a team of assault terminators being sent to the Eye of Terror to kill the Chaos Gods? In fact, the Space Marines on Cadia should have already won by now due to lauching themselves through and killing all the daemons.

You are seeing the Tau through very rose-tinted glasses, so rose-tinted i'm surprised you can see anything at all. Shield Drones and Railguns are far, far from the be-all and end-all of defenses and weaponry.

Daemons. Can. Kill. Tau. Just. As. Easily. As. Anything. Else.

The trouble is that we haven't had any fluff yet that pitches Chaos vs Tau because the Chaos Gods consider them a very minor threat, and for good reason; they're set up in small colonies along the Eastern Fringe and the Damocles Crusade would have wiped them out had it not been for a Tyranid Hive Fleet requiring the Imperium to pull out, the Tau were simply out-numbered and out-gunned at nearly every turn, and even now there are small skirmishes along it with the IoM, and Ork problem that Farsight is trying to tackle, a Hive Fleet and splinters, and the Necrons of the world that awoke in the battle described in the Nid codex between the Tau, one of the aforementioned Hive Splinters attacking, and the Necrons beneath awakening, slaughtering the Nids and then slaughtering the Tau.

The Tau have only just started Third Sphere Colonisation and re-colonisation, which includes a small handful of planets with every sphere.

If anything, and I mean anything, put enough force behind a direct strike at the Tau Empire, it would crumble, but as it stands, it's not yet large enough or powerful enough to warrant direct attention.

The Crusade sent was doomed.

They were locked in a stalemate with the impending threat of being blockaded and utterly wiped out. They were recalled while they faced possible destruction. The Fire Caste hounds were called off when the Ethereals let them go, when they could of exterminated the entire Crusade.

Farsight isn't "dealing" with an Ork incursion, he is exterminating his way beyond sanctioned borders.

Tau fear failing the Ethereals.

The war between them and Chaos will come someday. When that day comes, the Tau will show the Imperium how you deal with a power hungry space chimp on warp roids... A rail shot to it's miserable face for the greater good.

BeefCakeSoup, I'm going to tell you a little story about the Tau.

The Tau, for one reason or another, ended up fighting Chaos Space Marines. These Chaos Space Marines ended up summoning a Greater Daemon, a Keeper of Secrets. The Tau killed the physical form of the Keeper of Secrets. The Tau then thought that they had in fact killed Slaanesh.

Another little story. The Tau were defending their empire from Tyranids, I think it was. Anyway, the Tau are getting well and truly munched. Out of nowhere, a handful of black obelisks appear, and begin beating back the Tyranids. The Tau are so grateful they issue a message to the pilots of these black obelisks. The inhabitants of these structures make landfall. There were no Tau survivors.

Oh, the Damocles Crusade was doomed, huh? News to me. I was under the impression that the number of soldiers in the armies of the Damocles Crusade alone was more than double the Tau army. The fact of the matter is that the Tau really are seriously minor players in the world of 40k. They quite simply don't have the manpower to really get anything done, besides the paltry handful of systems they own. And of course, there's the most crippling fact of all: they have no method of accomplishing FTL. With this sad little fact, the Tau are forever consigned to rule over their glorious 'Empire' of backwater planets.

As for Chaos being unable to kill Tau... You said that shield drones provide more defense than a Chaos Daemon could ever get through.

Okay.

Keep in mind that the shield drone provides you with an invulnerable save, some kind of forcefield that protects you against even the mightiest blows. Not too shabby, I'll admit that.

Now realize that every single daemon in every single horde of chaos also has an invulnerable save. By your logic, they're absolutely unstoppable.