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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 00:56:00
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Beside making Necrons new bff with Blood Angels and making Ultramarines look like they hold entire Imperium together...
And why is no one in GW acting to this? Surely they listen what goes around...
And is he also wighting books? If so I must read some of them...
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 00:57:48
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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He writes bad fluff.
He has bad ideas for new fluff.
He wrecks good and pre-established fluff.
He makes a good target.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 01:01:06
Subject: Re:Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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It's the GK codex. Here's what really trips people up
-Draigo single-handedly going onto the Plague Planet and carving his master's name onto Mortarion's heart (It does say single-handedly to)
-Killing a bunch of 'innocent sisters of battle' ( don't know the standing of their innocents, haven't read it myself)
-Some other wacky junk there, as a Necron player the squad or so of GK's going onto a Time Traveling Tombworld (Appalling Amount of Alliteration Aquí) seemed abit weird but hey, it's the best of the SM so I personally can accept it
-Blood Angel thing as you had mentioned, but again, while odd as the devil is evil, something I think has been blown out of proportion
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Kilkrazy wrote:There's nothing like a good splutter of rage first thing in the morning to get you all revved up for the day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 01:02:41
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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What, what is this about GK going into Time Traveling Tombworld?
And Draigo is my new hero....
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 03:03:24
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
Indiana
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He's an incompetent nerd. I really hope he has nothing to do with the BT codex.
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My Armies:
- Death Wing and Green Wing
- Tacticals and Devastators
- Retired
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 03:13:36
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Bad fluff (As already mentioned) and has a horrible habit of making a mockery of the codex he is writing (By doing things such as the blood angels "blood" theme and GK "nemesis" theme). Lets not forget his awesome ability to write rules that will have most people standing for hours debating over something as stupid as hammerhand stacking, or vindicare assassins 4d6 vs 4d6 + 3s for armor penetration... or how about the LoS when models go to ground (seriously, they're all threads in You make da call right now). It all adds up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 03:17:49
Subject: Re:Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Azure wrote:Draigo single-handedly going onto the Plague Planet and carving his master's name onto Mortarion's heart (It does say single-handedly to)
Whhhhhaaaaaaaaattttttt????
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 03:19:07
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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It's not everyone being pissed at Mat Ward, it's Mat Ward pissed at everyone for adding an extra 't' to his first name.
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There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 03:32:18
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Xelkireth wrote:Azure wrote:Draigo single-handedly going onto the Plague Planet and carving his master's name onto Mortarion's heart (It does say single-handedly to)
Whhhhhaaaaaaaaattttttt????
Whhhhhaaaaaaaaattttttt indeed. Draigo banished Mortarion on a planet called Kornovin. The paragraph is written in a way that suggests that Kornovin is a planet in the materium. Yet another example of angry nerds jumping on hearsay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:05:21
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Nerivant wrote:It's not everyone being pissed at Mat Ward, it's Mat Ward pissed at everyone for adding an extra 't' to his first name.
Dude, even the Wikipedia get his name wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_(game_designer)
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:10:31
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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blood talons makes up for all the complaints. Pssssh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:12:43
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Nerivant wrote:It's not everyone being pissed at Mat Ward, it's Mat Ward pissed at everyone for adding an extra 't' to his first name.
The extra T is for terrible.
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. -Groucho Marx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:15:14
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Seriously guys what's with Time Traveling Tombworld and GK?
Did they travel trough time or something?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:18:05
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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First I've ever heard of it.
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. -Groucho Marx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:22:20
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Two things I particularly hate:
1: The monotonous layouts of each Codex. Seriously all they have are timelines of famous battles, I would prefer something like the older Necron Codex, where there are a variety of fluff pieces from different sources, such as an Explorator's report or the story of Jaramshela the assassin. Read through the Necron Codex and you'll see what I mean.
2: How every Codex is only focussed on a few things. I can probably guarantee that the next Codex, whatever the race, will involve crap about Malan'tai, Ka'Bhanda and another Necron planet-size ship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 07:30:34
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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I'd love to know what else he's written about the Necrons in the past few years just so I can read it and be prepared for the new Necron dex.
Having not (knowingly) read any of his work yet, I can't pass judgement on him.
It seems that he has shaken things up for the fluff fans and made some not un-substantial changes to codices - Again, this is just going from what I've read around here and a few other places on the net.
@Valkyrie: The layout of the Necron codex was what finally convinced me to play Necrons. I love it. It's like having access to classified intelligence on then Necrons. It just makes it more fun, especially for a fluff lover like me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 08:13:15
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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He singlehandedly broke Fantasy 7th edition with his Daemon army book. After that competitive play was only possible by adding house rules or not allowing Daemons.
He broke GK fluff by making them almost Khorne worshippers by bathing in the blood of Sororitas to resist the temptation of the Blood God.
He broke Inquisition fluff by allowing notoriously incooperative Xenos to make up 90% of an Ordo Xenos army.
Brother Coa wrote:Surely they listen what goes around...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 08:17:08
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Lady of the Lake
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There's also probably that interview where he said everyone wants to be like Ultramarines cause they're so cool. Which pretty much sparked a majority of the Ultramarine hate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 08:27:57
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Kroothawk wrote:
He broke Inquisition fluff by allowing notoriously incooperative Xenos to make up 90% of an Ordo Xenos army.
Brother Coa wrote:Surely they listen what goes around...
1' st note: WTF? Xenos making 90% of Ordo Xenos army  You are got to be kidding with me...
2'nd note: You are telling me that no one at GW didn't hear any complain to this guy?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 10:53:56
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Devious Space Marine dedicated to Tzeentch
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Brother Coa wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
He broke Inquisition fluff by allowing notoriously incooperative Xenos to make up 90% of an Ordo Xenos army.
Brother Coa wrote:Surely they listen what goes around...
1' st note: WTF? Xenos making 90% of Ordo Xenos army  You are got to be kidding with me...
2'nd note: You are telling me that no one at GW didn't hear any complain to this guy?
Well heres a couple of my problems with him
1: Sorcery and psychic powers are now the same according to him, with Malcador the Sigilte apparentlly being able to hide planets in the warp....
2. Kaldor draigo
3. Bloodtides
4. naming convetions, Blood fists, bloodstrike Missiles, Nemesis forcesword, nemsis daemonhammer
5.Purifiers being more pure than the already already pure Grey Knights, with Castellan crowe being even more pure than them, so hes like 200% pure now!
6.Castellan Crowe
7. BA teamup with Necrons
8. Calgars Falcon Punch
9. Breaking 7th edition of Fantasy
I'll stop there
As for whether they know or not? They probably do
But see the thing is his books have powerful stuff in them and so therefore competitive players buy lots of them, meaning that hes causing sales so they think hes doing stuff right because of it
Thats only my theory though, i don't know why they keep him on honestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 11:20:26
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Codices should really be used to balance out the game and add something interesting and new that adds to the game and facilitates everyone's enjoyment of the hobby, particularly those who play that army.
It's not constant escalation of rules to make every Codex bigger and better and more stupidly over powered than the other ones. If it keeps going down that road, the rules and the game will become ridiculous, and they'll need to reset the lot just to save it from collapsing under itself. Seen it before in other internationally played and popular games.
Food for thought though - GW aren't blind. They're approving everything Ward writes and produces. They're still paying him to write more.
I'm fond of GW cos I love 40k, don't get me wrong. I'm not one to sit there and bite the hand that feeds me minis.
But who's really to blame? Does Ward actually deserve all this flak when he's doing what GW are paying him to do and then they're approving and publishing it?
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able to snatch defeat from the jaws of the surest victories.
Catachan 222nd Regiment Command Squad Gamma Platoon: Captain JKB JayneKateBob (JKB) Sniper (loving her longlas more than any man)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 11:22:29
Subject: Re:Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Honestly, he writes some bad fluff, but there are a few things blown out of proportion here. 1) Nemesis weapons They share a name because they all share the same set of rules. Saying this is bad is like saying that Plasma Weapons are lame because they all start with the word plasma. The blood angels did go a little overboard with the blood thing (why a blood fist instead of a DCCW?) 2) Bloodtide There is a lot of stuff going around about this one. The end result is that this story is trying to show that the GK are not really the good guys. It shows that they are ruthless and merciless in their pursuit of their goals. Maybe the GK could have won without killing the sisters, but they decided to take the easy route instead. Also, there is almost no detail on what the "bloodtide" is or what it does. Stern Kills "hundreds of thousands" of imperial refugees just to kill the changeling, yet no one complains about this? (Raxos Civil War)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 11:23:38
Subject: Re:Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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His names Matthew not Mat or Matt
Everyone hates him because he does'nt use the search function before posting a thread
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 14:27:07
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Brother Coa wrote:1' st note: WTF? Xenos making 90% of Ordo Xenos army  You are got to be kidding with me...
2'nd note: You are telling me that no one at GW didn't hear any complain to this guy?
1.) You can make a Jokaero list (those orang utans with guns) consisting of a few inquisitors and only Xenos. Original fluff characterizes Jokaeros as being technical geniusses, but noone can communicate with them or control them.
2.) Just read the current news&rumour threads to understand how GW reacts to complains.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 14:33:37
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Not everyone is genuinely annoyed by Mat Ward. The total MINORITY consists of 80% bandwagoners who have never even seen a Ward codex and are influenced by the interesting metaphors used by the other 20%, who are mostly those who have actually read his work BEFORE forming an opinion or are completely irrational and are complaining for the sake of it. I have no problem with people who are rational about the fluff he's written, but I refuse to believe that the majority have formed their own opinion, separate from the opinions of others. The main issues, being Draigo and more importantly The Bloodtide have been subjected to the usual Internet inflation and hysteria. When say, the last few people learn about it, what is described to them is nothing like what's in the book. For example, a lot of people THINK the Grey Knights 'slaughtered' the SoB and 'bathed' in their blood. 'Bathed' is never used in the passage, nor is 'slaughtered'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 15:11:46
Subject: Re:Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Toastedandy wrote:His names Matthew not Mat or Matt
Everyone hates him because he does'nt use the search function before posting a thread
He goes by Matt, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_%28game_designer%29
And the search function doesn't work. So your attempts at being condescending have pretty much failed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 15:25:40
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Movac wrote:He's an incompetent nerd. I really hope he has nothing to do with the BT codex.
word.. i'm just starting with a BT army and after reading GK's .. i dont' want my new army going in that direction
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 15:37:26
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I like that people think Mat Ward works in a complete vacuum and everything bad in a codex is his fault and his fault only.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 15:40:23
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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And that the current image of the Grey Knights is definitely not the way the development team and GW as whole wants them to be perceived as.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/18 18:06:29
Subject: Why is everyone pissed at Matt Ward?
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iproxtaco wrote:For example, a lot of people THINK the Grey Knights 'slaughtered' the SoB and 'bathed' in their blood. 'Bathed' is never used in the passage, nor is 'slaughtered'.
I think that SoB knew what must be done and willingly gave their lives. That must be the only logical explanation... Automatically Appended Next Post: CadianCommander wrote:Codices should really be used to balance out the game and add something interesting and new that adds to the game and facilitates everyone's enjoyment of the hobby, particularly those who play that army.
It's not constant escalation of rules to make every Codex bigger and better and more stupidly over powered than the other ones. If it keeps going down that road, the rules and the game will become ridiculous, and they'll need to reset the lot just to save it from collapsing under itself. Seen it before in other internationally played and popular games.
Food for thought though - GW aren't blind. They're approving everything Ward writes and produces. They're still paying him to write more.
I'm fond of GW cos I love 40k, don't get me wrong. I'm not one to sit there and bite the hand that feeds me minis.
But who's really to blame? Does Ward actually deserve all this flak when he's doing what GW are paying him to do and then they're approving and publishing it?
I like what he has done to the rules in 5' th edition, it's not bad at all. But Draigo wrighting on traitor Primarch heart on Plague Planet in warp and Ba teaming up with Necrons to stop Tyranids is a little to much...
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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