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I always thought that there was a feudal planet called warhammer. Its possible since the lizardmen were created by the old ones the orks were created by the old ones and the eldar/elves werer also created by the old ones. Could it be possible.

In the old fluff the Warhammer world was indeed a planet in the 40k universe. However of the years it has been changed so that the world is in a different place all together.

No. It got retconned into oblivion.

which is a shame, really. I always liked that piece of fluff.

I prefer to think that the WHFB world is ancient Terra.

It didn't make much sense though somecallmeJack, seeing as if Sigmar was a missing primarch (as was alluded to early on) doesn't fit with the IoM's out look on non-humans on human worlds.

Over all it is better having the two universes as seperate.

I'm with Dawi
See it as ancient Terra.

Would prefer to keep it totally seperate or aleternate universe than potentially having Nids show up and nom nom the Wood Elves

the 2 universes are connected and there are crossovers that happen quite regularly, there is even fluff to support this from the codex's (Deamons and liber chaotica), but this seems to not widely be known or just ignored.

The connection is the Warp just to be clear

Really interesting concept, wish they had expanded it instead of just letting it go. Though I have often wondered how normal men with melee weapons are able to fight the same daemons that space marines with technologically advanced weapons fight. Also would be funny if the imperium pulled exterminatus on the fantasy world.

I realise that there are some 40K players with an irrational loathing of fantasy, but that would be a tad extreme Ashryu!

It used to be a sort of a separate dimension that also touched the same warp. It might still be, but it's no longer a plot point for either.

The idea of there being numerous dimensions connecting to the warp is certainly an interesting one, as is the fact that there's life in other galaxies. It makes Chaos both infinitely more untouchable, but also much more distant, since none of the Gods could really be seen to care about any particular issue in any particular galaxy in any of a potentially infinite number of dimensions.

Formosa wrote:the 2 universes are connected and there are crossovers that happen quite regularly, there is even fluff to support this from the codex's (Deamons and liber chaotica), but this seems to not widely be known or just ignored.

The connection is the Warp just to be clear

They aren't, and there's not. GW has explicitly stated that the two worlds are not connected.

Used to be, not any more.

Hell, you used to be able to randomly get bolters in WoC armies, if I remember right.

iproxtaco wrote:

Formosa wrote:the 2 universes are connected and there are crossovers that happen quite regularly, there is even fluff to support this from the codex's (Deamons and liber chaotica), but this seems to not widely be known or just ignored.

The connection is the Warp just to be clear

They aren't, and there's not. GW has explicitly stated that the two worlds are not connected.

then GW is demonstrating yet another example that they dont know there own fluff.

Liber Chaotica Describes a Deamon weapon that IS a Chainsword, and WoC army book has the "rending sword"
"as it is swung, this ever hungry blade growls and snals like a beast desperate for the taste of raw flesh"
this matches the Chainsword description in Liber Chaotica.

But the biggest connection is Deamons... as in the named one that are in both worlds, "But How??" I hear you ask.. the warp.
Its the same thing that underpins both worlds (Universes) both are distinctly separate, but still connected.

I have more examples if you want them, but next time try and word you response better =]
It looks like your being snotty

Formosa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Formosa wrote:the 2 universes are connected and there are crossovers that happen quite regularly, there is even fluff to support this from the codex's (Deamons and liber chaotica), but this seems to not widely be known or just ignored.

The connection is the Warp just to be clear

They aren't, and there's not. GW has explicitly stated that the two worlds are not connected.

then GW is demonstrating yet another example that they dont know there own fluff.

Liber Chaotica Describes a Deamon weapon that IS a Chainsword, and WoC army book has the "rending sword"
"as it is swung, this ever hungry blade growls and snals like a beast desperate for the taste of raw flesh"
this matches the Chainsword description in Liber Chaotica.

But the biggest connection is Deamons... as in the named one that are in both worlds, "But How??" I hear you ask.. the warp.
Its the same thing that underpins both worlds (Universes) both are distinctly separate, but still connected.

I have more examples if you want them, but next time try and word you response better =]
It looks like your being snotty

The worlds aren't connected in the background, as GW has explicitly stated as such. Yeah, maybe certain things are used across the two, but they aren't the same thing in both worlds. The worlds are not within the same setting. They are separate.

.... uh yeah I said they are seperate,
"But both are distinctly separate, but still connected."
And its obvious there seperate settings, same as DC/Marvel,
but even they CAN and HAVE had crossovers, same as fantasy and 40k, hell anyone remember that Dark emissary that put on a "a large cumbersome glove that destoys anything it touched" (paraphrased)

A Chainsword is a Chainsword in both worlds, the only diference is that superstitious belief turns a Chainsword into a Deamon weapon.

Have you goy a link to this "both worlds are completely 10000000% seperate" thing everyone has, otherwise its just hear say (not the band)?

Formosa wrote:
"But both are distinctly separate, but still connected."

You're disagreeing with yourself, now.

They can't be not connected, and connected.

Formosa wrote:.... uh yeah I said they are seperate,
"But both are distinctly separate, but still connected."
And its obvious there seperate settings, same as DC/Marvel,
but even they CAN and HAVE had crossovers, same as fantasy and 40k, hell anyone remember that Dark emissary that put on a "a large cumbersome glove that destoys anything it touched" (paraphrased)

A Chainsword is a Chainsword in both worlds, the only diference is that superstitious belief turns a Chainsword into a Deamon weapon.

Have you goy a link to this "both worlds are completely 10000000% seperate" thing everyone has, otherwise its just hear say (not the band)?

No, I don't have a direct link, I know for a fact though that GW has stated the two worlds ARE NOT CONNECTED, likely way back in a WD is where it's actually printed,due to in part to numerous conversations with employees that have been mentioned on this forum, and the fact that I myself have had an employee tell me they aren't as part of 'official policy'. Again, certain names are used, said names are few and far between, and the object is different.
It's funny that you say they're connected but separate, make your mind up, they can't be both.

They are everything, and nothing. They are acid trip.

iproxtaco wrote:

Formosa wrote:.... uh yeah I said they are seperate,
"But both are distinctly separate, but still connected."
And its obvious there seperate settings, same as DC/Marvel,
but even they CAN and HAVE had crossovers, same as fantasy and 40k, hell anyone remember that Dark emissary that put on a "a large cumbersome glove that destoys anything it touched" (paraphrased)

A Chainsword is a Chainsword in both worlds, the only diference is that superstitious belief turns a Chainsword into a Deamon weapon.

Have you goy a link to this "both worlds are completely 10000000% seperate" thing everyone has, otherwise its just hear say (not the band)?

No, I don't have a direct link, I know for a fact though that GW has stated the two worlds ARE NOT CONNECTED, likely way back in a WD is where it's actually printed,due to in part to numerous conversations with employees that have been mentioned on this forum, and the fact that I myself have had an employee tell me they aren't as part of 'official policy'. Again, certain names are used, said names are few and far between, and the object is different.
It's funny that you say they're connected but separate, make your mind up, they can't be both.

They can be both, its quite simple really.

The 40k universe (not setting) cannot in any way interact with the fantasy universe and vice versa, however the Warp is a Universe apart from either, the gods are the same as are the deamons and named Deamons, as a seperate universe it can and does interact with both.

So both are distinctly separate, but fundamentally connected through the Warp.

As to th hearsay about the "policy"
If I told a GW employee told me that Wood elves were next for update, would you ask for more solid proof or would you take it as upmost good faith?
On with the debate!

Formosa wrote:

They can be both, its quite simple really.

The 40k universe (not setting) cannot in any way interact with the fantasy universe and vice versa, however the Warp is a Universe apart from either, the gods are the same as are the deamons and named Deamons, as a seperate universe it can and does interact with both.

So both are distinctly separate, but fundamentally connected through the Warp.

As to th hearsay about the "policy"
If I told a GW employee told me that Wood elves were next for update, would you ask for more solid proof or would you take it as upmost good faith?
On with the debate!

Except for the fact that the universes don't share a singular Warp, and each has it's own, separate Warp, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Nerivant wrote:

Formosa wrote:

They can be both, its quite simple really.

The 40k universe (not setting) cannot in any way interact with the fantasy universe and vice versa, however the Warp is a Universe apart from either, the gods are the same as are the deamons and named Deamons, as a seperate universe it can and does interact with both.

So both are distinctly separate, but fundamentally connected through the Warp.

As to th hearsay about the "policy"
If I told a GW employee told me that Wood elves were next for update, would you ask for more solid proof or would you take it as upmost good faith?
On with the debate!

Except for the fact that the universes don't share a singular Warp, and each has it's own, separate Warp, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

uh what?
gonna have to ask you to back this up, as everything I have read on Chaos pretty much states both are the same warp, just diferent "realities"
as in the Garden of Nurgle are both the same

Uh what?
It has never been stated that they share the same Warp.
Choose not to believe me if you want, but I asked about the similarities, and the employee told me that they are not the same universe as part of the 'official policy we've been told to tell you lot'.

this thread reminds me of when i had to explain the differnce between an Orc(fantacy) and an Ork(40k) to my friend who was just starting out

iproxtaco wrote:Uh what?

Lol "Uh what" "Uh what"


call an apple an apple, just because it doesnt call itself an apple, doesnt mean it isnt.

In other words, both the fantasy Warp and the 40k warp are the same, its not just similar in the fluff, its Identical, it doesnt require spelling out.

No, they're different universes.

As a player of both systems since about 1986 I can tell you definitively that at one point in time they were very much within the same universe. The war hammer world was a planet in the 40K universe that was cut off from the rest of the universe by a particularly violent warp storm that never ends. This has changed over the years into a more separatist mentality towards the two, but a long time ago that was cannon. From what I can recall the war hammer world was created by the old ones as something kind of like a zoo.

dude you got nothing to back that up, other than "some guy told me", I've given examples and references, you've just dug your feet in and said "nope", at least give me something.

Yes, and in the grid markness of the 41st millennium the planet was put to exterminatus, too much of a brier patch to be bothered with, what with all the chaos, greenskins and whatnot.

/I'll go be unhelpful somewhere else now.

Formosa wrote:dude you got nothing to back that up, other than "some guy told me", I've given examples and references, you've just dug your feet in and said "nope", at least give me something.

You want to me to tell you again that GW themselves have stated the two universes are entirely separate? Ok, GW themselves have explicitly stated that the two universes are entirely separate. The two universes are in no way connected, barring the interpretation of several items and themes which have remained in both due to them previously being connected. A chainsword in 40k, is not the same as a chainsword in fantasy. They were connected, but it was retconned around 2nd ed.