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Warhammer fantasy roleplay 2nd ediition was made a long time after the WB and W40k 2nd editions where made and it was official! Did they forget that they made a new game?
I know that the Sigmar/Primach story is not official but sure is hinted that he was a Primach!
Or and here is another blatant fact: its called WARHAMMER 40000!

Sure was hinted he was a Primarch. Not any more.
Right, that's not a connection at all.

I know that the last point was silly but what are your answer to the first one I made?


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And where dos it say he is not a Primach (I know it dos not say that he is)?

Citation on the "Chainsword".
Where does it say that he IS? For a LONG time now, the worlds have been separated, the possibility that Sigmar was a Primarch is gone.

iproxtaco wrote:Citation on the "Chainsword".
Where does it say that he IS? For a LONG time now, the worlds have been separated, the possibility that Sigmar was a Primarch is gone.

Black library actually released books about Sigmars life from birth too death, he aint no primarch

But honestly, do other peoples opinions on the hobby really bother you that much?

Until you make reference (A direct quote) to GW actually saying they are not connected at all, I will still think they do, I might be wrong, but whatever. Its my hobby, and who are you too tell me I am wrong?

A random internet person with a difference of opinion, who are you to say that I can't criticize? Double Standards.

Still no source eh?
I can understand though, someone you dont know is wrong on the internet, and you have to show them the light, right?

Already told you that I can't but meh, no one can provide source which states the opposite, just obscure references in old sources that they draw their own conclusion from. Soulgrinders though, go and explain that.

Well yeah, if I see someone is wrong, I'll argue with them. It's an open forum, neither you nor I make the rules. If they "see the light" as you put it, then great, my objective is achieved.

iproxtaco wrote:Already told you that I can't but meh, no one can provide source which states the opposite, just obscure references in old sources that they draw their own conclusion from. Soulgrinders though, go and explain that.

Well yeah, if I see someone is wrong, I'll argue with them. It's an open forum, neither you nor I make the rules. If they "see the light" as you put it, then great, my objective is achieved.

Yeah, they have been referenced before in canon books, the Albion Campaign and Daemons names

They are not obscure or old sources. The evidence presented before you outweighs the glaring lack of evidence you have. 'Common Knowledge' is all you can lean on

You try and dispute the evidence presented as nothing\old\obscure, maybe your the one who is wrong?

I dont know anything about soul grinders, so I wont comment on them

A connection has not been cited from those books. Again, vague references in old books that are relevant to the opposition due to individual interpretation, but no actual reference states that the fantasy realm and the 40k realm are the same. It's the same on the other side, Soulgrinders, your lack of knowledge does not dismiss them. They can be used in 40k, and not in fantasy. The references are obscure because they don't point at a connection, old, well, because they are, and I never said they were "nothing", just not proof.

Maybe your the one who is wrong?

Maybe, but maybe your the one who is wrong...wait didnt I just say that?

I agree that no direct connection has been referenced, but no reference has been made to contradict it.

So I suppose we can agree to disagree. Its one of those things that is up to the fans until GW decides to do something

You are right in the fact that it is not stated that these two games are in the same universe but nor can you say the opposite (if you can please make a refrence) but what about that chainsword in the tome of corruption (2006)page 184? You stall the question!

Lasher wrote:You are right in the fact that it is not stated that these two games are in the same universe but nor can you say the opposite (if you can please make a refrence) but what about that chainsword in the tome of corruption (2006)page 184? You stall the question!

Quote it, then we'll see.
Soulgrinders. They can be used in 40k but not in fantasy. Explain.

iproxtaco wrote:

Lasher wrote:You are right in the fact that it is not stated that these two games are in the same universe but nor can you say the opposite (if you can please make a refrence) but what about that chainsword in the tome of corruption (2006)page 184? You stall the question!

Quote it, then we'll see.
Soulgrinders. They can be used in 40k but not in fantasy. Explain.

Man seriously, do you really see this thread getting anywhere beyond "Im right your wrong" "No your wrong Im right"

Until GW clears it up, then it is all speculation

Then I'll continue to speculate until the thread stops, I lose interest, or is locked.

iproxtaco wrote:Then I'll continue to speculate until the thread stops, I lose interest, or is locked.

So you admit your speculating? So your admitting you have no firm evidence?........interesting

Soulgrinders(daemons, right?) can be used in 40k but not fantasy because(assuming a link through the warp in this) of any number of possible reasons.

They can't get through to WHFB because of some warp rules regarding exit #WHFB.

The don't want to.

The warp is absolutely massive and the way into the WHFB doesn't have any of them near it. Same could be said for CSM and such.

The daemon leadership(chaos gods?) don't see them as needed in the WHFB universe or see the whole thing as a game and they don't want to use this card from their hand yet(assuming the game is go fish or gin).

Their bus got lost in the warp and they ended up in the office from 'Bettlejuice'.

The nature of the warp is very random and chaotic, so anything could have happened to prevent them from having access to WHFB. The list goes on and on. I personally like the last one myself.

-cgmckenzie

BTW, I have no firm evidence and am purely speculating. I have a feeling he knows a little more about the fluff than I do(I know where Ultramar is! Kinda). I just think it would be really fun for there to be some connection, even if it has no impact on the fluff or gameplay. See Marvel Movie Intercontinuity for coolness factor.

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Then I'll continue to speculate until the thread stops, I lose interest, or is locked.

So you admit your speculating? So your admitting you have no firm evidence?........interesting

I've never said I had that. In fact, I've stated the opposite more than once now. Do you?

iproxtaco wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Then I'll continue to speculate until the thread stops, I lose interest, or is locked.

So you admit your speculating? So your admitting you have no firm evidence?........interesting

I've never said I had that. In fact, I've stated the opposite more than once now. Do you?

Do I what? I dont get your post

even though I know that it is a different Universe, I like to think that it is the same but 40k is much further in the future because the armies are simililar and it also has the four chaos gods
Khorne
Nurgle
Slaanesh
Tzeentch

I mean knights could be space marines, elves could be Eldar, and greenskins could be Orks

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Then I'll continue to speculate until the thread stops, I lose interest, or is locked.

So you admit your speculating? So your admitting you have no firm evidence?........interesting

I've never said I had that. In fact, I've stated the opposite more than once now. Do you?

Do I what? I dont get your post

Have any hard evidence, I should have worded my response better.


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cgmckenzie wrote:Soulgrinders(daemons, right?) can be used in 40k but not fantasy because(assuming a link through the warp in this) of any number of possible reasons.

They can't get through to WHFB because of some warp rules regarding exit #WHFB.

The don't want to.

The warp is absolutely massive and the way into the WHFB doesn't have any of them near it. Same could be said for CSM and such.

The daemon leadership(chaos gods?) don't see them as needed in the WHFB universe or see the whole thing as a game and they don't want to use this card from their hand yet(assuming the game is go fish or gin).

Their bus got lost in the warp and they ended up in the office from 'Bettlejuice'.

The nature of the warp is very random and chaotic, so anything could have happened to prevent them from having access to WHFB. The list goes on and on. I personally like the last one myself.

-cgmckenzie

BTW, I have no firm evidence and am purely speculating. I have a feeling he knows a little more about the fluff than I do(I know where Ultramar is! Kinda). I just think it would be really fun for there to be some connection, even if it has no impact on the fluff or gameplay. See Marvel Movie Intercontinuity for coolness factor.

WD May 2008 (I think, the dates torn off the edge), simply states "for obvious reasons". I would take that as they are not availabe for fantasy becasue the universes are separate.

iproxtaco wrote:
WD May 2008 (I think, the dates torn off the edge), simply states "for obvious reasons". I would take that as they are not availabe for fantasy becasue the universes are separate.

Or more likely, because its a fething daemontank and would look as stupid as a leman russ in fantasy

So your saying you have no evidence?

What ever evidence thats been presented too you has already been posted

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
WD May 2008 (I think, the dates torn off the edge), simply states "for obvious reasons". I would take that as they are not availabe for fantasy becasue the universes are separate.

Or more likely, because its a fething daemontank and would look as stupid as a leman russ in fantasy

So your saying you have no evidence?

What ever evidence thats been presented too you has already been posted

Apparently the universes are connected though, are you saying there are suddenly rules to say certain things can't appear in the Fantasy setting?
Well, actually, I do. the Soulgrinder, the fact that no fantasy characters appear in 40k and vice versa, GW's official policy.
Yeah, and like the above, it does explicitly state that they are or aren't connected.

iproxtaco wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
WD May 2008 (I think, the dates torn off the edge), simply states "for obvious reasons". I would take that as they are not availabe for fantasy becasue the universes are separate.

Or more likely, because its a fething daemontank and would look as stupid as a leman russ in fantasy

So your saying you have no evidence?

What ever evidence thats been presented too you has already been posted

Apparently the universes are connected though, are you saying there are suddenly rules to say certain things can't appear in the Fantasy setting?
Well, actually, I do. the Soulgrinder, the fact that no fantasy characters appear in 40k and vice versa, GW's official policy.
Yeah, and like the above, it does explicitly state that they are or aren't connected.

how do you plan on fighting something with an armour value? It would break the game. Same reason I cant use my space marines in fantasy, it would break it

Every Daemon character appears in fantasy and 40k


Yeah, and like the above, it does explicitly state that they are or aren't connected.

This ^ makes no sense
Please re read your posts before submitting them, makes things easier

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
WD May 2008 (I think, the dates torn off the edge), simply states "for obvious reasons". I would take that as they are not availabe for fantasy becasue the universes are separate.

Or more likely, because its a fething daemontank and would look as stupid as a leman russ in fantasy

So your saying you have no evidence?

What ever evidence thats been presented too you has already been posted

Apparently the universes are connected though, are you saying there are suddenly rules to say certain things can't appear in the Fantasy setting?
Well, actually, I do. the Soulgrinder, the fact that no fantasy characters appear in 40k and vice versa, GW's official policy.
Yeah, and like the above, it does explicitly state that they are or aren't connected.

how do you plan on fighting something with an armour value? It would break the game. Same reason I cant use my space marines in fantasy, it would break it

Every Daemon character appears in fantasy and 40k


Yeah, and like the above, it does explicitly state that they are or aren't connected.

This ^ makes no sense
Please re read your posts before submitting them, makes things easier

Translate the rules, like they did for every other unit in the codex.

Basically, I meant the same thing as you, that no evidence either you or I provide explicitly states that their is or isn't a connection.

Great conversation though, worthless I might point out, as GW no longer connects the two.

I'm back!!

Soul grinder: All evidence points to the FACT that only small 40k tech items slip through the gaps in the 40k and the fantasy SETTINGS (diferent realities/universes/multiverse/Timelines... NOT THE SAME UNIVERSE) the soul grinder would be far too large a tech item (plus it would be grounded in 40k due to it being a possesed tank, deamonic, but not a deamon) deamons have been shown to pass through both.

The biggest proof that i have overlooked... Juggernoughts
made by Chaos dwarfs... and only by them, howd they get to 40k?

Chainsword: Ref: Liber chaotica, Book1 Khorne, under CHAINSWORD. the one with the picture of a CHAINSWORD on it.

capitals are not to shout, emphasis only

Formosa wrote:I'm back!!

Soul grinder: All evidence points to the FACT that only small 40k tech items slip through the gaps in the 40k and the fantasy SETTINGS (diferent realities/universes/multiverse/Timelines... NOT THE SAME UNIVERSE) the soul grinder would be far too large a tech item (plus it would be grounded in 40k due to it being a possesed tank, deamonic, but not a deamon) deamons have been shown to pass through both.

That's not an explanation at all. What's the importance of it being a tank? If a chainsword can appartently get through, what's stopping this? Are you now for some reason admitting they aren't in the same universe? And that any perceived connections is due to GW idiocy? Victory!

The biggest proof that i have overlooked... Juggernoughts
made by Chaos dwarfs... and only by them, howd they get to 40k?

Source for this utter BS? Juggernauts are Warp Spawned half machines, not Chaos Dwarf inventions.

Chainsword: Ref: Liber chaotica, Book1 Khorne, under CHAINSWORD. the one with the picture of a CHAINSWORD on it.

capitals are not to shout, emphasis only

Page number? I HIGHLY doubt it actually says it's a chainsword.

Page 47 Liber chaotica Khorne Ref: CHAINSWORD

Juggernoughts are built by Chaos dwarfs.. its part of there fluff, it built in Hashuts image.

That's not an explanation at all. What's the importance of it being a tank? If a chainsword can appartently get through, what's stopping this? Are you now for some reason admitting they aren't in the same universe? And that any perceived connections is due to GWidiocy? Victory!

Hardly, go re-read all my posts, never said it was same universe, infact i stated the oposite, and added that they are connected through the warp.
you see, the warp is all about ideas, emotions and potential, its easyier for the idea of a chainsword to bleed through the gaps, than it is for a Soulgrinder that is no longer a "true" deamon (its essence is trapped/part off the defiler),

However, the fundemental point is, you do not seem to know of the references we have been talking about, so please dont say something like this
"truePage number? I HIGHLY doubt it actually says it's a chainsword."
until you have actually bothered to look.
As I have said, go read the references I have given you, then come back, and continue the discussion with more coherent arguments than "nuh uh! cause"

Juggernauts are Daemons of Khorne. They are not built (at least, not by mortal hands), they're granted to Champions as a mount as a reward for service to the Blood God. Many are the would-be Champions who fail to master these gifts and are ground under its claws. Their blood, too, is welcome.

Unless they've changed their appearance (again), they're giant, dog-rhino... things... with more brazen armor than is probably strictly necessary and more spiked bits than one can safely shake a stick at.

Formosa wrote:Page 47 Liber chaotica Khorne Ref: CHAINSWORD

I'll go and check it out then.

Juggernoughts are built by Chaos dwarfs.. its part of there fluff, it built in Hashuts image.

Hah, maybe 20 years ago, not any more. What's your source though, I'm interested, as every peice of fluff, as scarce ad they are, on Juggernauts points at them being Khorne Warp spawn, that RESEMBLES their God. I'll check out the Daemons of Chaos Army book tomorrow, see if it gives anymore information on the matter.

iproxtaco wrote:That's not an explanation at all. What's the importance of it being a tank? If a chainsword can appartently get through, what's stopping this? Are you now for some reason admitting they aren't in the same universe? And that any perceived connections is due to GWidiocy? Victory!

Hardly, go re-read all my posts, never said it was same universe, infact i stated the oposite, and added that they are connected through the warp.
you see, the warp is all about ideas, emotions and potential, its easyier for the idea of a chainsword to bleed through the gaps, than it is for a Soulgrinder that is no longer a "true" deamon (its essence is trapped/part off the defiler),

I'm confused now. "diferent realities/universes/multiverse/Timelines... NOT THE SAME UNIVERSE", I never said that you said anything different, I was surprised by a sudden change in direction.

However, the fundemental point is, you do not seem to know of the references we have been talking about, so please dont say something like this
"Page number? I HIGHLY doubt it actually says it's a chainsword."
until you have actually bothered to look.
As I have said, go read the references I have given you, then come back, and continue the discussion with more coherent arguments than "nuh uh! cause"

I can't know them if I don't get an answer to my questions of "What's your source". It's not like I don't want to understand, but I can still DOUBT, that's not a certainty.