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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 09:40:27
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Given that Tau are slightly shorter than humans, could a normal Imperial Guardsmen pilot a salvaged one if for instance that was all the heavy firepower he had on hand?
Also the issue of space-suits: How do the humans and Eldar survive if they needed to work in the vacuum? Does the Space Marine suit have all the air supply they need that comes with their NBC gear?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 09:42:30
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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No, Tau suits destroy non-pilots that try to get in. It would require reverse-engineering, and humans don't do that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 09:46:23
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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And where is that from? I've never heard of a Tau suit destroying any other species that tries to pilot one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 09:46:29
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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1. There's a brief bit in one of Gav Thorpes Last Chancers novels involving a guardsman who gets in one. It ends badly for him. The brief bit implies that there are interfaces ("rods") that physically insert themselves into the pilot, so presumably Crisis Suit pilots are partly cybernetic, though that's conjecture on my part.
2. They have Spacesuits in 40K, most Navy pilots have them. Think the Viper Pilots from BSG. Similarly, if needs be they can put these on and conduct repairs or whatever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 09:53:21
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Fair enough, I knew there was some form of interface with the suit, the poster simply said it like there's a recognition system that destroys other life-forms if they aren't Tau.
On the second point, Marines have vacuum enabled suits with air recycling systems. They can even survive without a sealed suit for short periods of time. Normal humans have vacuum suits, I know that Warriors of Ultramar has the pilots of the Lightnings wearing special g-force and vacuum suits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 11:03:36
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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iproxtaco wrote:Fair enough, I knew there was some form of interface with the suit, the poster simply said it like there's a recognition system that destroys other life-forms if they aren't Tau.
Sorry for being vague, but I did not remember exactly what happened to the fool that tried to get in one. I just remembered that, as said, it ended poorly. EDIT: and I said non-pilots, not non-tau. Not all tau ports/implants/whatever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 11:52:48
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Agiel wrote:Given that Tau are slightly shorter than humans, could a normal Imperial Guardsmen pilot a salvaged one if for instance that was all the heavy firepower he had on hand?
Also the issue of space-suits: How do the humans and Eldar survive if they needed to work in the vacuum? Does the Space Marine suit have all the air supply they need that comes with their NBC gear?
Actually, Tau are slightly taller than the average human, they are shorter than marines however.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 11:55:54
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Wrong. Tau are slightly shorter than the average human, and are also weaker. The air caste however, described as tall and slender, may well be taller on average, but the other four castes are on average shorter, and in the case of the Earth Caste, stockier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 12:06:07
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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The AdMech may have reverse-engineered Tau battlesuits, but I doubt they'd find anything useful in them. After all, Space Marine power armour is a miniaturized, more advanced version of a battlesuit.
Imperial technology is mostly made of a patchwork of memories of mankind's glorious past. It's no longer pushing forward, but is still more advanced than anything the Tau have come up with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 12:12:36
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Agent_Tremolo wrote:The AdMech may have reverse-engineered Tau battlesuits, but I doubt they'd find anything useful in them. After all, Space Marine power armour is a miniaturized, more advanced version of a battlesuit.
Imperial technology is mostly made of a patchwork of memories of mankind's glorious past. It's no longer pushing forward, but is still more advanced than anything the Tau have come up with.
The admech a bunch of spazo re-re's. Its heresy to reverse enginner your own tech adn heresy to reverse engineer tau tech...... Yeah the non warp FTL is heresy. What idiots. When the void dragon wakes up and they realize they have been worshiping a c'tan they will be like OH gak WE ARE DUMB. Then they will reverse engineer Standard template constructors, Tau FTL, Railguns, Markerlights, Plasma Tech, Vanqiushers, Land Raiders, Terminator Armour, Space Marine Jetbikes, Their best ships, blackstone fortresses and the millions of other stuff they have forgotten and the imperium will WIN THE GALAXY!
And that is why the void dragon waking up will spur the return of the great crusade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 12:19:47
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Reverse engineer Tau FTL? Why would they want an inferior version of the FTL they already have?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 12:29:37
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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ChocolateGork wrote:Agent_Tremolo wrote:The AdMech may have reverse-engineered Tau battlesuits, but I doubt they'd find anything useful in them. After all, Space Marine power armour is a miniaturized, more advanced version of a battlesuit.
Imperial technology is mostly made of a patchwork of memories of mankind's glorious past. It's no longer pushing forward, but is still more advanced than anything the Tau have come up with.
Then they will reverse engineer Standard template constructors, Tau FTL, Railguns, Markerlights, Plasma Tech, Vanquishers, Land Raiders, Terminator Armour, Space Marine Jetbikes, Their best ships, blackstone fortresses and the millions of other stuff they have forgotten and the imperium will WIN THE GALAXY!
1) Plasma tech isn't lost. Plasma guns, weaponry, and things of that nature are constantly being constructed. The only problem contributing to the rarity of it is that only a small number of worlds have the ability to produce it.
2) Railguns and markerlights have already been produced by the Imperium. Railguns were used by the Imperium during the Great Crusade and Heresy to sling something called "Kinetic Kill-Rods" during orbital bombardments. Markerlights are used to this day, but without the ridiculously common AI controlled missiles they essentially have become laser rangefinders.
3) Land Raiders and Terminator Armour are still produced. They're not produced in great numbers, but they're definitely produced.
4) Why would you want a ton of Vanquishers? They're very specialized vehicles, excelling at killing other tanks. The beauty of the Leman Russ is that its battle cannon allows for the crew to select the 'best shell' for the job, being a highly versatile weapon that can deal with tanks, enemy infantry, monstrous creatures, etc. Jetbikes kind of go into the same vein, where they're exceedingly specialized tools that have advantages in one area(anti-gravity allowing them to cover more distance and mount more weaponry) but have many more disadvantages(high maintenance, requires specific environmental factors to operate, etc).
5) The Blackstone Fortresses were never built by the Imperium. There's a reason they were called "Talismans of Vaul". Because the Eldar built them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 14:06:31
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Kanluwen wrote:ChocolateGork wrote:Agent_Tremolo wrote:The AdMech may have reverse-engineered Tau battlesuits, but I doubt they'd find anything useful in them. After all, Space Marine power armour is a miniaturized, more advanced version of a battlesuit.
Imperial technology is mostly made of a patchwork of memories of mankind's glorious past. It's no longer pushing forward, but is still more advanced than anything the Tau have come up with.
Then they will reverse engineer Standard template constructors, Tau FTL, Railguns, Markerlights, Plasma Tech, Vanquishers, Land Raiders, Terminator Armour, Space Marine Jetbikes, Their best ships, blackstone fortresses and the millions of other stuff they have forgotten and the imperium will WIN THE GALAXY!
1) Plasma tech isn't lost. Plasma guns, weaponry, and things of that nature are constantly being constructed. The only problem contributing to the rarity of it is that only a small number of worlds have the ability to produce it.
2) Railguns and markerlights have already been produced by the Imperium. Railguns were used by the Imperium during the Great Crusade and Heresy to sling something called "Kinetic Kill-Rods" during orbital bombardments. Markerlights are used to this day, but without the ridiculously common AI controlled missiles they essentially have become laser rangefinders.
3) Land Raiders and Terminator Armour are still produced. They're not produced in great numbers, but they're definitely produced.
4) Why would you want a ton of Vanquishers? They're very specialized vehicles, excelling at killing other tanks. The beauty of the Leman Russ is that its battle cannon allows for the crew to select the 'best shell' for the job, being a highly versatile weapon that can deal with tanks, enemy infantry, monstrous creatures, etc. Jetbikes kind of go into the same vein, where they're exceedingly specialized tools that have advantages in one area(anti-gravity allowing them to cover more distance and mount more weaponry) but have many more disadvantages(high maintenance, requires specific environmental factors to operate, etc).
5) The Blackstone Fortresses were never built by the Imperium. There's a reason they were called "Talismans of Vaul". Because the Eldar built them.
Then make more of plasma and teminator armour, Imagine an entire chapter of plasma wielding terminators
Just because vanquishers are very specialized doesnt mean they aren't incredibly useful and the thinning of numbers is bad. And imagine an armored company made of Punishers, Executioners and vanquishers They could Take care of nearly any opponent with the vanquishers focusing on Armour, the punisher focusing on light infantry and the executioner taking on heavy infantry.
how many environment would be better for a bike to operate in instead of a jetbike??
They haven't made railguns in smaller versions and they obviously are superior to lascannons when compacted, And the imperium doesn't use networks of extremely sophisticated lasers and targeting systems that makes their shooting near perfect.
Imagine the imperial guard in modified fire-warrior Armour. Or for that matter imagine the imperium's industry applied to the mass production of battle-suits for use in the imperial guard? The space marines would become pretty inferior to a regiment of TAU weaponry wielding, Imperial battle-suits. That with the help of STC's they could make billions of.
And just becuase the eldar made them doesn't meant he imperium cant take them apart and make Blackstone super weapons and mount them on ships.
iproxtaco wrote:Reverse engineer Tau FTL? Why would they want an inferior version of the FTL they already have?
Becuase the tau don't go through the warp and face being lost in time, killed in a warp storm, corrupted, eaten by a horror of the warp or driven insane whenever they jump. AND they wouldnt have to rely on astropaths to be able to go where they want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 14:15:22
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Here's a flip side to the apparent safety. It's a hell of a lot slower, and unimaginably shorter in range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 14:18:00
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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ChocolateGork wrote:
Then make more of plasma and teminator armour, Imagine an entire chapter of plasma wielding terminators
Again: overspecialization is bad. Plasma, while devastating, also has downsides like blowing up in your face.
Terminator armor is great for boarding actions and pinpoint assaults or cityfights. It's basically a joke in open countryside.
Just because Vanquishers are very specialized doesn't mean they aren't incredibly useful and the thinning of numbers is bad. And imagine an armored company made of Punishers, Executioners and Vanquishers. They could take care of nearly any opponent with the Vanquishers focusing on armour, the Punisher focusing on light infantry and the Executioner taking on heavy infantry.
how many environment would be better for a bike to operate in instead of a jetbike??
Quite a few actually. An environment where the air is shrouded in toxic haze or infested with flying creatures, for examples off the very top of my head.
They haven't made railguns in smaller versions and they obviously are superior to lascannons when compacted
Says who? The fact that they "haven't made railguns in smaller versions" is not really applicable here(especially because they have during the Great Crusade and the Dark Age of Technology before it), and the idea of them being "superior to lascannons when compacted" is conjecture. The Tau's smallest "railgun" that retains high anti-tank capability(note: anti-tank. Not anti-material, like the railrifle is) is needed to be mounted on a Broadside suit. The Broadside has to sacrifice all the mobility of the Crisis Suit chassis and be uparmored to be survivable.
And the imperium doesn't use networks of extremely sophisticated lasers and targeting systems that makes their shooting near perfect.
I'm pretty sure the Navy gunnery crews and their Fire Control Observers on the field would disagree with that sentiment.
Imagine the imperial guard in modified fire-warrior Armour.
You mean like the armor that Stormtroopers/Kasrkin wear?
Because that's what "Fire-Warrior Armour" is at its core. It's Carapace Armor with a few techy bits that we don't actually see utilized in-game.
Or for that matter imagine the imperium's industry applied to the mass production of battle-suits for use in the imperial guard?
Again. Overspecialization is bad, especially when you're talking about outfitting billions of troops with a system that requires years of training and expertise to master.
And just because the Eldar made them doesn't mean the Imperium can't take them apart and make Blackstone super weapons and mount them on ships.
Uh, yeah it does. Even the Eldar don't know how to replicate the Blackstone Fortresses.
You don't hand a monkey an Allen wrench and your Ikea furniture and expect to find it fully assembled afterwards.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 15:27:23
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Yeah, if the race that created the thing in the first place doesn't know how to reverse engineer it, how do you expect another race to?
And yes, overspecialization is bad. Take the Leman Russ Punisher for example. That is specialized for anti-infantry. It does a terrific job at it, but against armor, it sucks. The standard Leman Russ is a wonderful vehicle, able to take on many different roles as just the standard model. They are not specialized, but excel in many different roles.
And it would also cost way too much to equip a lot of Space Marines with Terminator armor. Not to mention that, as said before, it is effective in close quarters or tight environments, but out in the open, it is not as effective.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 15:42:52
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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ChocolateGork wrote:The admech a bunch of spazo re-re's. Its heresy to reverse enginner your own tech adn heresy to reverse engineer tau tech...... Yeah the non warp FTL is heresy. What idiots.
Yeah, I thought the same of them when I began playing 40k. They reminded me of the priest-engineers of Anacreon described in the first Foundation book... A secretive caste of scientific illiterates whose only role is to preserve technological lore, and to perform rites and incantations and various other theatricals to hide their own shortcomings.
However, after looking a bit deeper into the fluff, they started to seem less like clueless witchdoctors and more like deliberate knowledge monopolists. They are not doing science anymore but they still understand the workings of their technology to some extent, a knowledge they try to keep to themselves by burying it under layers of obscurity and ritual. They know their stranglehold on technology, one of the lifelines of the Imperium, is their main source of power and they intend to keep things that way.
As for reverse-engineering... It's done quite often. Most STCs are incomplete and need to be reworked (The Land Raider STC was said to be "almost complete" when Arkhan Land found it). Also, they tinker with and upgrade existing STC-based designs. Xenos devices are also disassembled and studied (I recall the case of an Eldar Cruiser captured intact during the Gothic War, just to be destroyed before the techpriests had a chance to board it), though most of it is found a) blaspheme b) unusable c) incomprehensible d) inferior and therefore refused.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 15:47:55
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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Oh not just the Eldar.
There's, in the Deathwatch RPG, mention of captured Tau stealth tech being broken down and rebuilt. It's going okay, but it's still got a lot of kinks to be worked out and much of the tech still has to be nailed down without the Xenos bits in it.
Otherwise, woohoo Stealth Power Armour.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 17:52:06
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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I don't think there's much canonical evidence for Tau being on average shorter than humans.
IG are taller than normal humans, of course, so that makes a difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 17:56:56
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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could an IG pilot one... maybe if modified but as said i couldn't see it as see imperium already has better armor... it is for the space marines that said this gave me an idea for another looted vehicle for my orks, maybe make a looted battlesuits for killa kanz I'll have to finish my looted wagon made from a trygon fisrt... but after that I'm going to try this i think it could be cool
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 19:14:47
Subject: Re:Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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The Last Chancer trying to pilot the Crisis Suit was fried alive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 20:33:18
Subject: Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Sadly that doesn't mean that another novel won't tell the opposite, of course. On the other hand, this one was written by Gav, so maybe it'll still become hard canon or at least respected by other BL authors, even if they're under no obligation to heed it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 20:47:06
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Perhaps a Tau battlesuit has an unlock code to prevent theft. Perhaps the code is sometimes deactivated by battle damage.
Just guesses, I have no Fluff to show these ideas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 21:12:33
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Provided he did manage to get in it safely, it would still be a pain to use. Tau have fewer fingers, I believe, which in itself is a major
complication. Not to mention the hoof thing would make walking hazardous, and the helmets probably don't account for nose room...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 21:14:25
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Kroothawk wrote:The Last Chancer trying to pilot the Crisis Suit was fried alive.
Tau parking brakes are a pain, huh?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 21:23:04
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Kasrkai wrote:Provided he did manage to get in it safely, it would still be a pain to use. Tau have fewer fingers, I believe, which in itself is a major
complication. Not to mention the hoof thing would make walking hazardous, and the helmets probably don't account for nose room...
Good point, Tau have a different walk anyways, right? And the helmet optics may even operate on a different spectrum, though that's just theory.
For the record, I actually like Gav's idea concerning those rods - reminds me of the Black Carapace or MIU implants sometimes used to operate similar machinery.
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No.
Tau build that equipment only for themselves, no aliens allowed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 22:02:58
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maybe a gundum pilot could fly it........
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 22:59:00
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I think if the ad mech really wanted ftl travel that did not use the warp they would try to get their hands on some necron tech.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/01 23:44:48
Subject: Re:Can non-Tau use a Crisis battle-suit? And vacuum-enabled gear...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Malivon wrote:I think if the ad mech really wanted ftl travel that did not use the warp they would try to get their hands on some necron tech.
They constantly do and it always ends badly for the involved techpriests.
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