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TrollPie wrote:About the, say, 15 Tiger Sharks vs an Emporer Titan...
Titans can move. I know. But a behemoth of a machine weighing thousands of tonnes isn't the speediest little bugger. To say it could run away from an enemy flyer is a tad silly. To say it's main guns, waying an at a dozen tonnes each and supported by incredibly thick arms, could track something that fast also doesn't work. While it has a plethora of weapons on it's back, only the Hydra emplacements have good accuracy versus the Sharks. Things like Quake cannons, volcano cannons and Plasma destructors versus a flyer is like trying to hit a wasp with a rocket launcher. Things like heavy bolters is like trying to hit a wasp with an electric BB gun. The manouverability and speed makes the heaviest weapons all but useless, and the lighter weapons are still shaky at best. If a few dozen AX-10s, with Skyray support, were to attack a lone Emporertitan, with a bit of luck they could take it down. I'm not saying that in an apocalyptic battle they would destroy it, I'm simply saying if they could force the Titan in to the ideal situation they could get it.

I agree, in an ideal situation the Tau are more than capable of taking down an Emperor Titan, but that's in an ideal situation.
I'm not saying it could run away, I'm saying that it won't be a stationary target, not that it will evade or anything like that, but the theory that the Tigersharks will be traveling so fast so close at such a low altitude is silly at best when you consider that a Titan will travel quite fast due to it's stupidly large distance steps.
I also think the analogy of rocket launcher/bb gun trying to hit a wasp is a tad of an over-exaggeration. Considering that the tigersharks wont be travelling at hundreds of miles an hour, and the guns will be tracking them from large distances, or at very close ranges. The Wargmonger has advanced targeting systems, I would reckon that both shoulder mounted and ground hydra emplacements, coupled with probably twin linked heavy bolters or autocannons and the stupidly high powered main guns, like the Gatling Blaster or Hellstorm Cannon would be weapons enough to ensure several destroyed Tigersharks.
Keep in mind that his is the Imperiums greatest weapons, able to devastate entire cites with a few salvos. Warhounds and Reavers would be fairly equivalent targets to a tigershark squadron.


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BeefCakeSoup is the one who is "purposefully misinterpreting random statements.", I agree completely. Taking statements which are actually true, and then blowing them out of proportion to back an already flawed point.

When is an Emperor class titan ever alone?
They are supported by not only the rest of the legion present but also the Imperial Guard, Skitarii and the Imperial Navy.
In a vacuum they probably could deal with an Emperor class titan but i doubt the Imperium is just gonna give them that chance.
Though sillier things have happened...

That's more like it.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:The best part of this thread is hearing Imperial fans talk about how bad is better! Love that!


As for the Railgun vs Imperial Armor debate! Pretty sure we already saw how that ends, with a golf ball sized hole and your crew sucked out into a pink mist few meters past the wreck. Not sure how on earth people keep ignoring the fact that the Tau have beaten the Imperials at the offset of pretty much all major conflicts and lost one notable conflict only after winning the initial battle (nimbosa) WHICH was only one of several wars in a spearhead expansion!

Nobody said bad they said simple. A simple and effective weapon is better than a complex and effective weapon economically even if the complex weapon is slightly better. A railgun is also one of the tau's best tech so it has to be compared to the IOM say a vortex missile. Railguns are also harder to maintain and more expensive to make than a Leman Russ which is almost as efficient and simpler to make. From what I've read you have misinterpreted everything anyone has said on this thread

iproxtaco wrote:Yes, it is. The larger they get, the more difficult it will be to distribute, adapt, advance and tweak their tech.

Yes. We've seen already IRL how difficult it is for a large nation like the USA, Japan or China to innovate and adopt new technologies. They lag far behind smaller, nimbler countries such as Burkhina Fasso.

Oh yeah, because China is similar in size to an interstellar empire numbering around a hundred planets. It's a stupidly flawed comparison.

Take The Imperium. Aside from the religious mumbo-jumbo, each technology is difficult to distribute, due to the extreme size. The Tau will have the same problem, and it will be worse, due to inferior FTL and communications.


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And is Japan considered a country in league with China and the USA in terms of size? That's funny. Japan has a significant advantage, the same as the Tau. Huh, another similarity the Tau have with that island nation.

I am already seeing that this thread will be closed soon...


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Kilkrazy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Yes, it is. The larger they get, the more difficult it will be to distribute, adapt, advance and tweak their tech.

Yes. We've seen already IRL how difficult it is for a large nation like the USA, Japan or China to innovate and adopt new technologies. They lag far behind smaller, nimbler countries such as Burkhina Fasso.

With all due respect you can't compare today's nation states with galactic empires. There are just to many differences ( take just resources of 1 nation and resources of the entire planet ).

Why dose it always come back to the titan? Sure the tau killed one with a single shot (ya ya I know the extra bit), but the orks killed one with a bloody rocket car, so I think they win.

If by "single shot" you mean "single barrage of twin-linked rail guns", sure.

It's not like "Oh one railgun shot killed a Warhound Titan".

Kanluwen wrote:If by "single shot" you mean "single barrage of twin-linked rail guns", sure.

It's not like "Oh one railgun shot killed a Warhound Titan".

No I mean one angry ork killed a warhound titan. And he was on fire well he did it.

nomotog wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If by "single shot" you mean "single barrage of twin-linked rail guns", sure.

It's not like "Oh one railgun shot killed a Warhound Titan".

No I mean one angry ork killed a warhound titan. And he was on fire well he did it.

I was replying to your statement of the Tau killing a Titan in one shot.

They didn't. It was a barrage of railgun shots. Technicality, sure--but still.

Kanluwen wrote:It's not like "Oh one railgun shot killed a Warhound Titan".

Is it even stated how much damage was done to the Titan itself? All I remember is that it fell over and the other Titans retreated. The Princeps (Princep?) may have died from the shock, but the Titan itself seems like it was left relatively intact and easy to repair.


The Ork example is just ridiculous, however. But that's what the Orks are all about.

The Ork codex, period, has a few really over the top pieces of fluff that make Draigo look tame--but are generally forgiven because hey, Orks are all about over the top.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not like "Oh one railgun shot killed a Warhound Titan".

Is it even stated how much damage was done to the Titan itself? All I remember is that it fell over and the other Titans retreated. The Princeps (Princep?) may have died from the shock, but the Titan itself seems like it was left relatively intact and easy to repair.


The Ork example is just ridiculous, however. But that's what the Orks are all about.

Maybe it just fainted... >.>; Or maybe (stay with me here) the tau loaded up a pair of space ship sized rail guns and blew it's crew out of a nickle sized hole. You know, one or the other.. *shrug*

iproxtaco wrote:Oh yeah, because China is similar in size to an interstellar empire numbering around a hundred planets. It's a stupidly flawed comparison.

Take The Imperium. Aside from the religious mumbo-jumbo, each technology is difficult to distribute, due to the extreme size. The Tau will have the same problem, and it will be worse, due to inferior FTL and communications.


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And is Japan considered a country in league with China and the USA in terms of size? That's funny. Japan has a significant advantage, the same as the Tau. Huh, another similarity the Tau have with that island nation.

What you are saying about the dissemination of knowledge is wrong and modern examples disprove it. It's nothing to do with size or some un-defined "difficulty". It's to do with the ability of a nation to assimilate, invent and bootstrap new technologies. That isn't based on size, it's based on education level, wealth, the rule of law and other social factors.



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Anyway, this thread has become completely off topic.

The original question has been answered.

Locking thread.