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BeefCakeSoup wrote:Kan, you really crack me up sometimes man!

Diverting some air assets isn't a big deal when you are dominating the air war.

DGC and Taros saw the IoM putting forth nothing more than pitiful attempts at maintaining clear skies. Hell, on Dal'yth they actually had to divert orbital defense escorts just to make a push on a star port...

So a Titan rolling up, making the Tau divert a Manta and give it some air support doesn't really equate to a huge deal. What it does do is cripple enemy morale, as they watch a massive tool of propoganda get its ass handed to it by a real war machine.

By "some" I hope you mean "a lot". Hastily converting a cumbersome and ill-equipped flyer and then stripping all air support from a massive area to protect it, just so it could get to the target area, then blowing up the smallest Titan the Imperium has is a big deal for the Tau, it showed how much resources it took to deal with that single threat. So, next time, an Emperor Titan rolls up, the Tau are fethed, a single manta sin't going to cut it. Hell, an entire group of Mantas are going to cut it, they'll be blown out the sky with no hope of even denting the side armour.

But hey, you're doing the usual "Tau are the best, trollololol" thing you do every thread about the Tau. At least put some effort in, it's getting a little old now.

Nicholas wrote:

nomotog wrote:

Nicholas wrote:They won't simply have to guard those border planets, if they did it would be a disaster if say an ork waagh or Imperial crusade broke through and got a foothold. Not to mention many of the ships, having warp travel and all, could bypass those border planets easily.

Ya I thought of that too. If warp travel works in such a way that any planet is a border planet. The number of troops you need only grows at the rate you add new planets, so ya they would still be able to field the same level or more. Are you getting what I am saying here, or do I need to pull out the charts and graphs?

I'm saying that while they will advance in tech they will not be able to field it in every single battle. Their standard weapon will most likely be pulse rifles for ever, but they will have better weapons maybe given to one guy in a squad or on one ship or tank. They seem more advanced now because pulse rifles and railguns are basically the height of their tech and can be given to every unit. As in their basic equipment is better than IOM but the IOM still have much better tech just not on every single soldier

Ok I am confused. Because the tau do have a lot of weapons restricted, but that's less to do with cost. (only drones and pathfinders have rail rifles) The tau do put froth an effort to spread around there tech and make it so they can field it on a massive scale. A good example is the ion cannon. It started as a ship based weapon, but they made it small and fit it on a tank and then smaller again to fit on a battlesuit. The next step they will be giving them to fire warriors.

The ion cannon wasn't developed by the Tau.
It's Demiurg tech that was 'gifted' to the Tau. We won't likely see it on Fire Warriors unless some serious retconning going on because ion weaponry is overall kind of limited in its usage.

And the Tau 'have a lot of weapons restricted', because they promote a philosophy of 'every piece has its specific role in the battleplan'.

Kanluwen wrote:The ion cannon wasn't developed by the Tau.
It's Demiurg tech that was 'gifted' to the Tau. We won't likely see it on Fire Warriors unless some serious retconning going on because ion weaponry is overall kind of limited in its usage.

And the Tau 'have a lot of weapons restricted', because they promote a philosophy of 'every piece has its specific role in the battleplan'.

The tech was given to them, but they have been adapting it. Like i said. It started on star ships and now it can be put on a battle suit. Rail guns are another example. Started on ships and tanks and now they have them on pathfinders.

Bla i am getting off point. The thing I have been trying to say is this. The tau can field such high tech because the tau understand every aspect of their tech and have mastery over it. (except warp tech) They can change it make it cheaper, make it cost more, build a lot of it, build less of it. It's not because of their small size.

Kanluwen wrote:The ion cannon wasn't developed by the Tau.
It's Demiurg tech that was 'gifted' to the Tau. We won't likely see it on Fire Warriors unless some serious retconning going on because ion weaponry is overall kind of limited in its usage.

And the Tau 'have a lot of weapons restricted', because they promote a philosophy of 'every piece has its specific role in the battleplan'.

It's not serious retconning to say FW have access to special weapons. They're supposed to supress the enemy while the Crisis suits go in for the kill-being allowed burst cannons and Ion weaponry would be logical.

Yes, it is. The larger they get, the more difficult it will be to distribute, adapt, advance and tweak their tech.

iproxtaco wrote:Yes, it is. The larger they get, the more difficult it will be to distribute, adapt, advance and tweak their tech.

Why?

Why? More difficult to communicate, places of manufacture and distribution are farther apart, which makes it more difficult to maintain the same standardized technology. If one research center improves the pulse level, it will be difficult to then translate the same thing over to another center due to stupidly slow communications. They'll be in the same situation as The Imperium, with slow communications replacing religious mumbo-jumbo.

iproxtaco wrote:Why? More difficult to communicate, places of manufacture and distribution are farther apart, which makes it more difficult to maintain the same standardized technology. If one research center improves the pulse level, it will be difficult to then translate the same thing over to another center due to stupidly slow communications. They'll be in the same situation as The Imperium, with slow communications replacing religious mumbo-jumbo.

That makes sense. How much sense depends on the speed of communication, but ya that makes a lot more sense then them just not being able to make enough.

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BeefCakeSoup wrote:Kan, you really crack me up sometimes man!

Diverting some air assets isn't a big deal when you are dominating the air war.

DGC and Taros saw the IoM putting forth nothing more than pitiful attempts at maintaining clear skies. Hell, on Dal'yth they actually had to divert orbital defense escorts just to make a push on a star port...

So a Titan rolling up, making the Tau divert a Manta and give it some air support doesn't really equate to a huge deal. What it does do is cripple enemy morale, as they watch a massive tool of propoganda get its ass handed to it by a real war machine.

By "some" I hope you mean "a lot". Hastily converting a cumbersome and ill-equipped flyer and then stripping all air support from a massive area to protect it, just so it could get to the target area, then blowing up the smallest Titan the Imperium has is a big deal for the Tau, it showed how much resources it took to deal with that single threat. So, next time, an Emperor Titan rolls up, the Tau are fethed, a single manta sin't going to cut it. Hell, an entire group of Mantas are going to cut it, they'll be blown out the sky with no hope of even denting the side armour.

But hey, you're doing the usual "Tau are the best, trollololol" thing you do every thread about the Tau. At least put some effort in, it's getting a little old now.

Actually, considering how slow and cumbersome an Emporer Titan is, a few of squadrons of AX10s with a load of Skyray support could take it down.
Think of it like this:
5 squadrons of Tiger Sharks are sent against an Emporer. A hail of pulse and missile fire chips away at the Void Sheilds, while their speed makes them invulnerable to their heavy weapons, and only the shoulder-mounted Hydra batteries do any damage to them, perhaps knocking out one or two each time they pass over. The Skyrays hide behind sturdy buildings, using DPs to minimise the Emporer's accuracy. After 3 passes, the void shields are down, 5 AX-10s are destroyed and the Skyrays have been mostly destroyed and are retreating. The Tiger Sharks make a final pass from the Titan's rear, and fire the railguns. A few rounds manage to penetrate the Plasma Reactor and the thing goes boom.
Of course, the titan would have plenty of IG and IN support, and the pilots would have to be incredibly skilled and lucky, but my point is if the Tau diverted enough military effort it could be taken down.
And people seem to underestimate railguns. They're useless against hordes, but a single round of our modern, less advanced railgun-that the army are going to double in size and double the amount of electricity used for a proper one-delivers 9 megajoules of energy, equivalent to one tonne hitting you in the face at 1600km/h. The Tau Railgun is probably slightly more powerful than the planned one-so somewhere in the 20-30 megajoule ballpark. With thirty of them coming at once, no concievable armour could withstand the beating.

Why don't they just nuke the thing from orbit?

nomotog wrote:Why don't they just nuke the thing from orbit?

Exactly. Putting so much faith in a single machine makes it all the more pointless when it gets blasted apart from a hundred miles away.

Tau don't do that kind of thing.

That's a very well picked example and would work. The only problem being that the example hinges on the Titan doing absolutely nothing.
People vastly over-estimate railguns, and vastly under-estimate the strength of Imperial armour, especially on a Titan, an Emperor class Titan at that.

Here's a realistic situation. Tigersharks come into range of Titans main guns. Boom, game over for most of them. The rest are picked off by flak guns and further shots from the Titan, the Void Shields take the brunt of any possible damage.

TrollPie wrote:

nomotog wrote:Why don't they just nuke the thing from orbit?

Exactly. Putting so much faith in a single machine makes it all the more pointless when it gets blasted apart from a hundred miles away.

Because the imperial navy clears the orbit and the skies before they deploy..

WMD 's are irrelevant in 40k until its too late to save the planet.
Plus the only one able to exterminate is the IoM ( and maybe some of its former members ).
Plus the ones with nearly unlimited range is also the ioM.

iproxtaco wrote:
But hey, you're doing the usual "Tau are the best, trollololol" thing you do every thread about the Tau. At least put some effort in, it's getting a little old now.

It's hard to imagine how can some people worship the race as best after they won 2 battles and barely against empire so big that none can imagine it's size... And also thinking that if one aircraft... sorry, space ship destroyed smallest Titan in existence ( again barely ) that one such can also destroy every Titan in existence is like thinking that Draigo can kill Chaos Gods themselves after killing so many of their best warriors in their own realm.

And I wondered why people hate the Tau...

Anyway back to OP, after some reading I concluded that only Tau can drive their battlesuits since their integrated systems are build for Tau, not other races ( same as if Tau were to try to use Titan - it was build to interface with Human mind ).


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nomotog wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Yes, it is. The larger they get, the more difficult it will be to distribute, adapt, advance and tweak their tech.

Why?

Just look at pre-Warp Humanity and STC...
You get the idea...


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TrollPie wrote:
Actually, considering how slow and cumbersome an Emporer Titan is, a few of squadrons of AX10s with a load of Skyray support could take it down.
Think of it like this:
5 squadrons of Tiger Sharks are sent against an Emporer. A hail of pulse and missile fire chips away at the Void Sheilds, while their speed makes them invulnerable to their heavy weapons, and only the shoulder-mounted Hydra batteries do any damage to them, perhaps knocking out one or two each time they pass over. The Skyrays hide behind sturdy buildings, using DPs to minimise the Emporer's accuracy. After 3 passes, the void shields are down, 5 AX-10s are destroyed and the Skyrays have been mostly destroyed and are retreating. The Tiger Sharks make a final pass from the Titan's rear, and fire the railguns. A few rounds manage to penetrate the Plasma Reactor and the thing goes boom.
Of course, the titan would have plenty of IG and IN support, and the pilots would have to be incredibly skilled and lucky, but my point is if the Tau diverted enough military effort it could be taken down.
And people seem to underestimate railguns. They're useless against hordes, but a single round of our modern, less advanced railgun-that the army are going to double in size and double the amount of electricity used for a proper one-delivers 9 megajoules of energy, equivalent to one tonne hitting you in the face at 1600km/h. The Tau Railgun is probably slightly more powerful than the planned one-so somewhere in the 20-30 megajoule ballpark. With thirty of them coming at once, no concievable armour could withstand the beating.

That's a good example. But there are few things:

-Every other Titan have Void Shields ( yes, the one that ships use ) and if their guns have actual strength to penetrate shields that strong than by all means they can hit it.
-Titan is 50-60m tall, witch means that he has much bigger line of sight and that = much bigger range than Tau Railgun.
-And Imperium don't send that kind of Titans alone on picnic. Titan that important would be protected by columns of Guardsman and Tanks.
-And why do you think that Titan weapons don't have big splash? They can waporize entire are ( Volcan cannon + Plasma cannons ).

Nuff said...

nomotog wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The ion cannon wasn't developed by the Tau.
It's Demiurg tech that was 'gifted' to the Tau. We won't likely see it on Fire Warriors unless some serious retconning going on because ion weaponry is overall kind of limited in its usage.

And the Tau 'have a lot of weapons restricted', because they promote a philosophy of 'every piece has its specific role in the battleplan'.

The tech was given to them, but they have been adapting it. Like i said. It started on star ships and now it can be put on a battle suit. Rail guns are another example. Started on ships and tanks and now they have them on pathfinders.

Bla i am getting off point. The thing I have been trying to say is this. The tau can field such high tech because the tau understand every aspect of their tech and have mastery over it. (except warp tech) They can change it make it cheaper, make it cost more, build a lot of it, build less of it. It's not because of their small size.

They understand every aspect of their tech because of their small size, and they can distribute their best tech because of their small size. If they were the size of the IOM they would not be able to field their best equipment at a large scale. You are also suggesting they have a mastery of their tech if this was true they wouldn't need to change anything because it would be the best they could give. It is also not that simple just to make things cheaper you would have to find a huge amount of resources while using less or the same amount of them, which for an expanding empire would be impossible. The more resources they find means they need to use more resources to keep them. The better tech will be more expensive so to give it to your standard fire warrior, since the trend of resources used to resources found is directly related, you will produce less guns which means less armed firewarriors, which would be impractical. This makes it more likely they will keep pulse rifles standard weapons and add the better tech in small quantities like the IOM does now.

Nicholas wrote:They understand every aspect of their tech because of their small size, and they can distribute their best tech because of their small size. If they were the size of the IOM they would not be able to field their best equipment at a large scale.

Good point... but the Tau Empire seems to be a quite decentralized one. Each Tau Sept has manufacturing capabilities and is able to provide support to a number of less-developed worlds. When these worlds finally develop, they'll be able to supply another bunch of colonies. Their expansion plans make a lot of sense, IMHO.

The reason behind their advanced technology is purely societal. Their foes either have the blueprints for their machines in their genes, or are so old/advanced that they simply don't care. The Tau observe, try, learn and adapt.

For the record, it took eighteen centuries for us humans to learn how that "science" thing was done

And when there's hundreds of thousands, all scattered around taking months, if not years to reach the next habitable planet with communications possibly even slower? Yeah, the Tau are able to keep this method because of their small size.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Nicholas wrote:They understand every aspect of their tech because of their small size, and they can distribute their best tech because of their small size. If they were the size of the IOM they would not be able to field their best equipment at a large scale.

Good point... but the Tau Empire seems to be a quite decentralized one. Each Tau Sept has manufacturing capabilities and is able to provide support to a number of less-developed worlds. When these worlds finally develop, they'll be able to supply another bunch of colonies. Their expansion plans make a lot of sense, IMHO.

The reason behind their advanced technology is purely societal. Their foes either have the blueprints for their machines in their genes, or are so old/advanced that they simply don't care. The Tau observe, try, learn and adapt.

For the record, it took eighteen centuries for us humans to learn how that "science" thing was done

That's true I forgot to consider that most Tau planets are new to the greater good and don't contribute as much as they can yet. So there is a possibility that their resources will be boosted if the timeline advances. If it's enough to help mass produce their best at a large scale we don't know we'll just have to see if GW advances the timeline. Or they develop a faster way to travel

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TrollPie wrote:
Actually, considering how slow and cumbersome an Emporer Titan is, a few of squadrons of AX10s with a load of Skyray support could take it down.
Think of it like this:
5 squadrons of Tiger Sharks are sent against an Emporer. A hail of pulse and missile fire chips away at the Void Sheilds, while their speed makes them invulnerable to their heavy weapons, and only the shoulder-mounted Hydra batteries do any damage to them, perhaps knocking out one or two each time they pass over. The Skyrays hide behind sturdy buildings, using DPs to minimise the Emporer's accuracy. After 3 passes, the void shields are down, 5 AX-10s are destroyed and the Skyrays have been mostly destroyed and are retreating. The Tiger Sharks make a final pass from the Titan's rear, and fire the railguns. A few rounds manage to penetrate the Plasma Reactor and the thing goes boom.
Of course, the titan would have plenty of IG and IN support, and the pilots would have to be incredibly skilled and lucky, but my point is if the Tau diverted enough military effort it could be taken down.
And people seem to underestimate railguns. They're useless against hordes, but a single round of our modern, less advanced railgun-that the army are going to double in size and double the amount of electricity used for a proper one-delivers 9 megajoules of energy, equivalent to one tonne hitting you in the face at 1600km/h. The Tau Railgun is probably slightly more powerful than the planned one-so somewhere in the 20-30 megajoule ballpark. With thirty of them coming at once, no concievable armour could withstand the beating.

That's a good example. But there are few things:

-Every other Titan have Void Shields ( yes, the one that ships use ) and if their guns have actual strength to penetrate shields that strong than by all means they can hit it.
-Titan is 50-60m tall, witch means that he has much bigger line of sight and that = much bigger range than Tau Railgun.
-And Imperium don't send that kind of Titans alone on picnic. Titan that important would be protected by columns of Guardsman and Tanks.
-And why do you think that Titan weapons don't have big splash? They can waporize entire are ( Volcan cannon + Plasma cannons ).
Nuff said...

You need to double check my post. I've already explained that the massed Skyrays+pulse fire could deplete the void shields. The Tiger Sharks would use their manouverability to evade them, rendering their more cumbersome big guns & artillery pieces useless and leaving the Hydra batteries the only useful weapon against them.
Railguns also have massive range. Plasma, being gas-like, is heavily effected by air resistance, and volcano rounds are slow and heavy. This means they are both theoretically outranged by a railgun. Besides, range isn't important when you're moving several hundred miles per hour-they would close the distance in seconds and open up with accurate close-range pulse fire to wear down the shields before opening up with the big guns.
And I've noted that the Titan would have IG support, but if they were engaged in a battle the Tau would undoubtedly bring in ground forces to distract them while the Sharks moved in for the kill. Alternatively, they could ambush it while it's on the move and the Guard are unprepared or far away.


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iproxtaco wrote:Tau don't do that kind of thing.

That's a very well picked example and would work. The only problem being that the example hinges on the Titan doing absolutely nothing.
People vastly over-estimate railguns, and vastly under-estimate the strength of Imperial armour, especially on a Titan, an Emperor class Titan at that.

Here's a realistic situation. Tigersharks come into range of Titans main guns. Boom, game over for most of them. The rest are picked off by flak guns and further shots from the Titan, the Void Shields take the brunt of any possible damage.

Titan main guns can't track something moving at several hundred miles per hour. That's what the Hydra batteries on the shoulders are for, and they're still useless against targets that are circling rapidly and are lower down than the Titan's roof.

Whell isn't that an idyllic situhation boyo.
Again, this example relies on the Titan doing nothing, and ignores several things about them that makes this inane concept of Tigershark domination pretty pointless to even discuss.
Titans won't just stand still. Their flakguns won't just shoot upwards, their main-guns aren't exclusively for extreme range. Their armour is a lot stronger than you seem to think, their void shields are capable of protecting them from the hits of other Titan weapons. They have more than just flak-guns on the top, they have a variety of close-range protection weapons, and a whole lot of ground support, which includes such things as, more Hydra flak installments.
Coupled with the fact that a Tigershark requires it to be heading straight on to hit with its railguns, does not travel in stupidly small small arcs close to a void-shield enabled Titan sized object at hundreds of miles an hour at such low altitudes, and is also very lightly armoured, yeah, I'd say a Warmonger Emperor Class Titan has a significant advantage over several dozen Tigersharks.

The best part of this thread is hearing Imperial fans talk about how bad is better! Love that!

As for the immense damage control dealing with Titans being blown up, lets keep in mind that it was the smallest Titan, but lets also remember the tactics have changed since then. When the Tau first saw a Titan they were omg wtf is that?! They used some overkill as any intelligent dude would. The next few bouts saw them playing a similiar game but with different tactics. Tiger Sharks and Mantas working together is way more practical a means of wiping out Titans should they pop up.

As for the Railgun vs Imperial Armor debate! Pretty sure we already saw how that ends, with a golf ball sized hole and your crew sucked out into a pink mist few meters past the wreck. Not sure how on earth people keep ignoring the fact that the Tau have beaten the Imperials at the offset of pretty much all major conflicts and lost one notable conflict only after winning the initial battle (nimbosa) WHICH was only one of several wars in a spearhead expansion!

Too much Tau hate...

So far these forums have informed me...

-Dal'yth Prime was the ENTIRE Tau military fighting a SMALL crusade (wasnt really a crusade apparently). According to the same fanboys, thats 1 million FWs.
-Treads are better on tanks because moving fast is bad.
-Having bad tank crews is better because when they die you can replace them faster.
-Pulse Rifles are bad because bolters can be equipped with rare ammo that is better at certain jobs.
-Battlesuits are bad because they aren't terminators?
-A Tau manta fighting an Imperial Titan with flier escorts as the Titan calls upon its Hydra support is apparently bad for the Tau. If they by chance win the fight, they only killed a sentinal, wasnt a real Titan apparently.

Did I miss anything?

The views of certain members of Dakka do not reflect the views of every member of Dakka. I know those things Dakka has informed you of are wrong, but they aren't entirely off the mark, and if this thread is anything to go by, you're a raving fanboi or a troll, or both, if the former is true, then you're pretty much ignoring a lot of the arguments against you.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:The best part of this thread is hearing Imperial fans talk about how bad is better! Love that!

wasn't intended to make trolls happy

BeefCakeSoup wrote:As for the immense damage control dealing with Titans being blown up, lets keep in mind that it was the smallest Titan, but lets also remember the tactics have changed since then. When the Tau first saw a Titan they were omg wtf is that?! They used some overkill as any intelligent dude would. The next few bouts saw them playing a similiar game but with different tactics. Tiger Sharks and Mantas working together is way more practical a means of wiping out Titans should they pop up.

wrong as usual.

remember this is 40k background, not dakka fiction.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:As for the Railgun vs Imperial Armor debate! Pretty sure we already saw how that ends, with a golf ball sized hole and your crew sucked out into a pink mist few meters past the wreck. Not sure how on earth people keep ignoring the fact that the Tau have beaten the Imperials at the offset of pretty much all major conflicts and lost one notable conflict only after winning the initial battle (nimbosa) WHICH was only one of several wars in a spearhead expansion!

something that isn't found worthy to be looted by orks ?
again, correct quotes get you far, your altered fluff is just trolling.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Too much Tau hate...

BeefCakeSoup wrote:So far these forums have informed me...

-Dal'yth Prime was the ENTIRE Tau military fighting a SMALL crusade (wasnt really a crusade apparently). According to the same fanboys, thats 1 million FWs.
-Treads are better on tanks because moving fast is bad.
-Having bad tank crews is better because when they die you can replace them faster.
-Pulse Rifles are bad because bolters can be equipped with rare ammo that is better at certain jobs.
-Battlesuits are bad because they aren't terminators?
-A Tau manta fighting an Imperial Titan with flier escorts as the Titan calls upon its Hydra support is apparently bad for the Tau. If they by chance win the fight, they only killed a sentinal, wasnt a real Titan apparently.

Did I miss anything?

yes. the subject of the thread.

iproxtaco wrote:Whell isn't that an idyllic situhation boyo.
Again, this example relies on the Titan doing nothing, and ignores several things about them that makes this inane concept of Tigershark domination pretty pointless to even discuss.
Titans won't just stand still. Their flakguns won't just shoot upwards, their main-guns aren't exclusively for extreme range. Their armour is a lot stronger than you seem to think, their void shields are capable of protecting them from the hits of other Titan weapons. They have more than just flak-guns on the top, they have a variety of close-range protection weapons, and a whole lot of ground support, which includes such things as, more Hydra flak installments.
Coupled with the fact that a Tigershark requires it to be heading straight on to hit with its railguns, does not travel in stupidly small small arcs close to a void-shield enabled Titan sized object at hundreds of miles an hour at such low altitudes, and is also very lightly armoured, yeah, I'd say a Warmonger Emperor Class Titan has a significant advantage over several dozen Tigersharks.

Perfect example of blind fanboyism.

SEVERAL

DOZEN

ANTI-TITAN

AIRCRAFT!


So can you please explain to me how the Titan is going to perform against fast flying aircraft dumping hundreds of Railgun shots into it? Very interested in hearing this.

As a troll ofcourse...

Please remember this won't be an even fight, as the Tigersharks are supposedly at a disadvantage!

Wow man... no point.

You eh, kinda quoted the reasons as to why that is the case, you know, in that post.
I wouldn't accuse anyone of fanboyism if I were you, that might be a tad hypocritical.


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Anyway, this is very close to being locked, like every thread that degrades the Tau.

About the, say, 15 Tiger Sharks vs an Emporer Titan...
Titans can move. I know. But a behemoth of a machine weighing thousands of tonnes isn't the speediest little bugger. To say it could dodge an enemy flyer is a tad silly. To say it's main guns, weighing in at dozens of tonnes each and supported by incredibly thick arms, could track something that fast also doesn't work. While it has a plethora of weapons on it's back, only the Hydra emplacements have good accuracy versus the Sharks. Things like Quake cannons, volcano cannons and Plasma destructors versus a flyer is like trying to hit a wasp with a rocket launcher. Things like heavy bolters is like trying to hit a wasp with an electric BB gun. The manouverability and speed makes the heaviest weapons all but useless, and the lighter weapons are still shaky at best. If a few dozen AX-10s, with Skyray support, were to attack a lone Emporer titan, with a bit of luck they could take it down. I'm not saying that in an apocalyptic battle they would destroy it, I'm simply saying if they could force the Titan in to the ideal situation they could get it.

Basically, Emporer Titans aren't the instant win buttons people think they are. They have massive firepower, but it comes with severe downsides, and are only designed for use in massive-scale battles. Against a smaller force, they can be outmanouvered and stopped; think a marine fighting a swarm of bees. He can swat a few, but he can't escape them all.

Well I learned that Dakka is often full of people who see their faction as the toughest one around. I am an Imperial fan myself, but I admit that Imperium is not capable to defeat all of it's enemies. But again neither are they able to defeat Imperium. So it is a big tie in fact, just what GW wanted.

The things I learned from dedicated Tau fans ( these are their claims ):

-Tau Air Caste have MORE ships than entire Imperial Navy.
-Tau Fire Caste has MORE Fire Warriors than Imperium has Guardsman.
-Space Marines can be beat by Fire Warriors at melee. And in range Tau can kill Marines with bondage over their eyes.
-Tau can in fact conquer the galaxy with ease, they just can't remember to start conquering.
-Tau population is in fact bigger than Imperium's. No matter if they have a little over 100 planets.
-Tau can in fact kill all 4 Chaos Gods, in Warp. They just need to get to Eye of Terror.
-Tau tech is so awesome that even Eldar and Necrons are jealous.

I am sure there is more to this, but I can't remember...
Now it is our turn to troll....in fact it isn't - this is just the reality in 40k:



And, unlike the Tau we have secret weapon: Matt Ward...
Just all wait until Angry Black Templars with dual power-swords, 10.000 strong Marines, anti-plasma power-armor with shields and shouting the name of Guiliman come out

I have a feeling Brother Coa doesn't like Tau.
I also have a feeling those "examples" are him purposefully misinterpreting random statements.

TrollPie wrote:I have a feeling Brother Coa doesn't like Tau.
I also have a feeling those "examples" are him purposefully misinterpreting random statements.

I do like Tau, just hate Tau fans - they are the main reason people dislike them.
And you are arguing this whole page about Titan, that has nothing to do with OP.
Who is now "purposefully misinterpreting random statements."?