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Hi All

I suppose people are a little tired of finecast bashing, but I am tired of driving 25 minutes to my local GW store, to pay a large amount (for what you get) for a 'fine'cack model then only to unbox the thing and have to go back! As I stated on a previous thread, EVERY SINGLE 'fine'cack model I have bought since the release of this crap use of resin, I have had to return and try to change (including making the model as best as possible by using several packs of the same model) EVERY SINGLE one!!!!

I really hate 'fine'cack!!!!

I'll get off the now and apologise for bringing this up yet again, but I am fed up with it! Although I can't see from pictures but I think that Astrorath the Grim should have eyes, if not then the wings are the problem!
Cheers

Andy

I think it is really hit and miss.

They sent me out a finecast replacement for a slightly miscast lillith metal version I reported, and it looks like something out of a nightmare.

Then again some of them are turning out absolutely fine and with lovely detail :( All down to luck.

I quite like Finecast. I've never gotten a bad cast and I've always hated metal models.

Both Finecast models I've bought (Rakarth and a Haemonculus) have been excellent.

Nothing a little greenstuff can't fix, suck it up man!

Iranna.

Looks like that Astorath has just had a C-section. Look at the gaping hold above his crotch.

Iranna wrote:Nothing a little greenstuff can't fix, suck it up man!

Iranna.

I hope you use green stuff on yourself and close your mouth shut, nothing is more annoying then spending hard earned cash on a 28mm plastic figure then find out you need to mend it and fix it because its poor quality.

the issue is not that you cant fix it the issue is that you shouldn't have to fix if when you spend £12.50 on Astorath

just think about it I can buy a pc mouse for less then £10 that has more tech and plastic then then any 28mm figure you can name.

I'm undecided.

I've bought 6 finecast models to date and have yet to have a problem. I've gotten miscast metal figs in the past as well....I don't really see a difference here.

However, I'll change my tune once one of my models is exposed accidentally to a hot atmosphere and totally warps...

Iranna wrote:Nothing a little greenstuff can't fix, suck it up man!

Iranna.

I am more than able to deal with issues but as the last poster said and I completely agree, I do not expect to mend models that I pay good cash for! How about getting a car where the steering wheel doesn't turn left?! Would you 'suck it up' and drive the thing? Or maybe not such a dangerous example could be a dvd player where the drawer doesn't come out the whole way, you wouldn't take it back then? I come from 2nd ed days and prefer metal because the mass of the model being nice, the fact that things do not have elasticity and therefore anything bent can be bent back and the fact that converting with metal did show REAL skill.

How about as stated, 'shutting your mouth' and not saying such rubbish. As I said EVERY SINGLE finecast model I have bought has been crap!

Grimtuff wrote:Looks like that Astorath has just had a C-section. Look at the gaping hold above his crotch.

Do you know I didn't notice that one and I have a good eye for detail!!!! Thanks for pointing that one out!

yevix wrote:

Iranna wrote:Nothing a little greenstuff can't fix, suck it up man!

Iranna.

I hope you use green stuff on yourself and close your mouth shut, nothing is more annoying then spending hard earned cash on a 28mm plastic figure then find out you need to mend it and fix it because its poor quality.

the issue is not that you cant fix it the issue is that you shouldn't have to fix if when you spend £12.50 on Astorath

just think about it I can buy a pc mouse for less then £10 that has more tech and plastic then then any 28mm figure you can name.

Thanks for this reply my friend, my sentiments EXACTLY!

Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

DarknessEternal wrote:Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

This was my thought...
GW are usually good with this kind of stuff, if you have a miscast you can return it and get a non-miscast.

DarknessEternal wrote:Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

He shouldn't have too - you pay good money you better get good quality out of it -

remember its 28mm of plastic - how hard is it to make them quality worthy-

plus why don't you ask this "why didn't GW check it before putting it in stock" surely if its so easy to check them out in store then they can check it out before they put it into the stores

Personally and I know people wont agree with me, but I loved the metal ones - they had some weight too it they felt like they could last - I still gota few old school tau stealth suits (the metal ones)

Astorath doesn't have eyes. I have the metal mini.

AustonT wrote:Astorath doesn't have eyes. I have the metal mini.

Nothing a little greenstuff can't fix, suck it up man!

Iranna.

yevix wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

He shouldn't have too - you pay good money you better get good quality out of it -

remember its 28mm of plastic - how hard is it to make them quality worthy-

plus why don't you ask this "why didn't GW check it before putting it in stock" surely if its so easy to check them out in store then they can check it out before they put it into the stores

Personally and I know people wont agree with me, but I loved the metal ones - they had some weight too it they felt like they could last - I still gota few old school tau stealth suits (the metal ones)

Once again, I whole heartedly agree with you! Maybe I should have checked but with all the hype we had to endure, not counting the constant brain washed diatribe given by the indoctrinated GW staff on the wonders of 'fine'cast I really shouldn't have to - along with everyone shouldn't have to! I have conducted tests on both metal and 'fine'cast models (the same one) for detailing and found no difference whatsoever! The main differences are weight, back forming and the cost!!!! Hence the reason for the massive purchases I did on the GW website for metal models!


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AustonT wrote:Astorath doesn't have eyes. I have the metal mini.

Ok thanks for clearing that one up, as I said I couldn't see from pictures on GW website!

Wulfen Andy wrote:

yevix wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

He shouldn't have too - you pay good money you better get good quality out of it -

remember its 28mm of plastic - how hard is it to make them quality worthy-

plus why don't you ask this "why didn't GW check it before putting it in stock" surely if its so easy to check them out in store then they can check it out before they put it into the stores

Personally and I know people wont agree with me, but I loved the metal ones - they had some weight too it they felt like they could last - I still gota few old school tau stealth suits (the metal ones)

Once again, I whole heartedly agree with you! Maybe I should have checked but with all the hype we had to endure, not counting the constant brain washed diatribe given by the indoctrinated GW staff on the wonders of 'fine'cast I really shouldn't have to - along with everyone shouldn't have to! I have conducted tests on both metal and 'fine'cast models (the same one) for detailing and found no difference whatsoever! The main differences are weight, back forming and the cost!!!! Hence the reason for the massive purchases I did on the GW website for metal models!

Its reaching a point with me that I am going to start making my own GW models (I have my own injection molder at home - I make children's whistles - extra money is always good) just gonna pay someone to make a copy of all the models I want and make my own (I got an amazing molder maker back home, he is 75 years old and makes best copy molds I have ever seen)

Funny I myself bought a finecast Astorath and he was perfect.

yevix wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

yevix wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Why didn't you check it before you left the store?

He shouldn't have too - you pay good money you better get good quality out of it -

remember its 28mm of plastic - how hard is it to make them quality worthy-

plus why don't you ask this "why didn't GW check it before putting it in stock" surely if its so easy to check them out in store then they can check it out before they put it into the stores

Personally and I know people wont agree with me, but I loved the metal ones - they had some weight too it they felt like they could last - I still gota few old school tau stealth suits (the metal ones)

Once again, I whole heartedly agree with you! Maybe I should have checked but with all the hype we had to endure, not counting the constant brain washed diatribe given by the indoctrinated GW staff on the wonders of 'fine'cast I really shouldn't have to - along with everyone shouldn't have to! I have conducted tests on both metal and 'fine'cast models (the same one) for detailing and found no difference whatsoever! The main differences are weight, back forming and the cost!!!! Hence the reason for the massive purchases I did on the GW website for metal models!

Its reaching a point with me that I am going to start making my own GW models (I have my own injection molder at home - I make children's whistles - extra money is always good) just gonna pay someone to make a copy of all the models I want and make my own (I got an amazing molder maker back home, he is 75 years old and makes best copy molds I have ever seen)

Wow sounds good! Just hope you don't get some idiot trying to get you into trouble as they did to Les Burley with his own products!

Nicholas wrote:Funny I myself bought a finecast Astorath and he was perfect.

Well ya boo sucks!!!! Lol I guess I must have seriously bad luck concerning 'fine'cack! In fact I am well known in my local GW store for returning the damn things! Not being picky just finding loads of probs!

I've bought 4 Finecast models, each had minor things but nothing terrible. Thankfully the Wyvern I bought was a good cast.

No miscasts on my end, 12 figs later.

As far as I know, they fixed a lot of the problems with the casting process; all my fine cast minis were no worse than my pewter, instead they're lighter, easier to glue, much tougher, and the paint won't chip as easily (if at all). Hell, they have less flash than pewter, or rather, more obvious flash. Seriously, those little "hairs" from the pewter air vents used to piss me off.

I think finecast is great, and you're disappointment is a bit silly; it's possible your store has old stock, or you're very unlucky. Even then, nothing's perfect, otherwise warranty wouldn't exist.

Then again, it could be your ridiculous standards. Translucence is normal in thin plastic/resin, and won't be noticeable once painted. Asograth doesn't have eyes (at least last I checked in the book), and that hole above his crotch was so small, you didn't notice until someone else pointed it out.

This notion of "not needing to fix it" stems from the same social grox crap of "entitlement." Both you and yevix really need to grow up, the way you two are posting makes you look bad.

As far as I know, they fixed a lot of the problems with the casting process; all my fine cast minis were no worse than my pewter, instead they're lighter, easier to glue, much tougher, and the paint won't chip as easily (if at all). Hell, they have less flash than pewter, or rather, more obvious flash. Seriously, those little "hairs" from the pewter air vents used to piss me off.

no one is denying the good points of finecast the problem is for the money WE pay for them i.e over £10 for a 28mm plastic toy - heck it would be cheaper for me too collect money instead and I will make a profit in the future selling it to collectors and still LOTS of people get problems with them.

I think finecast is great, and you're disappointment is a bit silly; it's possible your store has old stock, or you're very unlucky. Even then, nothing's perfect, otherwise warranty wouldn't exist.

really old stock (and why are they selling old stock when they know it may contain errors at my local grocery store if they have old stock they slash the price tag in half)or very unlucky thats the best you have - oh I get hit by a drunk driver, its not the drivers fault I am simply unlucky - GREAT - again, would it have been hard for GW too quality check all their products before release - but thats not the issue for you that a company is milking you for buying toys and expects you to repair and fix the problems. take this for example, my nearest GW store is miles away I gotta spend over £4 pounds to travel there - will GW give me back my travel costs for having to repair THEIR error

the fact that multiple people are getting same problems ALL over the world seems to suggest its a bigger issue then expected.

Then again, it could be your ridiculous standards. Translucence is normal in thin plastic/resin, and won't be noticeable once painted. Asograth doesn't have eyes (at least last I checked in the book), and that hole above his crotch was so small, you didn't notice until someone else pointed it out.

are you blind - look at the price tag - its not ridiculous standards for crying out loud I can buy a mobile phone for £10 but apparently when a 28mm toy is bad quality I simply have high standards....maybe I simply think the price is overkill. People complain for less -

This notion of "not needing to fix it" stems from the same social grox crap of "entitlement." Both you and yevix really need to grow up, the way you two are posting makes you look bad.

oh I see entitlement like when I pay huge amounts of money for plastic apparently I am expected to do all the major repair work on it - again its the price tag - if the TOY costs i don't know £3 I would be less likely to complain about the poor quality but it doesn't does it....it costs more then mobile phones, it cost more then other plastic toys (That are fully painted, have movable parts and great quality themselves) I use to find happy meal toys with better quality then some fine cast stuff I have seen and I got a bloody meal out of it and it cost me less then a £10

You need to grow up and realize that sometimes companies are simply milking you for your money.

I have around 20 finecast models now and I only had 1 mist cast. Which GW promptly sent me a replacement for.

If they were milking me for money, why would they replace defective product for free?

You need to grow up if you can't see how ridiculous you are being. Have you contacted GW yet? I'm guessing you have not.

Lightcavalier wrote:I have around 20 finecast models now and I only had 1 mist cast. Which GW promptly sent me a replacement for.

If they were milking me for money, why would they replace defective product for free?

Your realize that they took the miniature you gave and more then likely melted it down and reused it in other miniatures and I think its a given that ANY company will replace a product if its faulty, you just pointed out the basics of selling products - they are milking you for money because apparently it cost the same to make Astoroth the grimm as it is to make a mobile phone when clearly a mobile phone is a lot harder to make from the software to the battery to the plastic that encases it all but sure you think its fair to pay over £10 for plastic toy.

nectarprime wrote:You need to grow up if you can't see how ridiculous you are being. Have you contacted GW yet? I'm guessing you have not.

Just to point out I haven't had problems with finecast but that doesn't excuse how badly GW are making them when lots of people are having problems with them and again I shouldn't have to call them when I pay so much money for it.

How is it being ridiculous we pay good money for a fricking plastic toy and they still come out with errors that force others to travel far and wide to fix it- what about the time they waste having to travel to the store or the money it costs them to call them every time there is a problem, you think they have an 0800 number (in UK 0800 numbers are free). Have you heard the notion time is money - well it is and when time is wasted so is money.

Look at a previous post, if you bought a car with a faulty car tire you would SUE the car manufacturer for selling you that car but simply because GW is a 'toy' making company we should simply ignore it and just replace it like nothing happened.

Look I love Warhammer and 40k and I have been a fan of it since 1997 it even helped me learn English but that doesn't excuse the cost of the products and the quality they release you want me to complain less, make the products cheaper.

I cant believe you people think its fair to pay £12 for 28mm of plastic

also why hasn't anyone asked 1 simple question, if its so easy to check the product before buying it why don't they do it before they send it out to the shops surely a simple quality check is easy - and again with the prices they set you sorta expect that -

yevix wrote:if the TOY costs i don't know £3 I would be less likely to complain about the poor quality but it doesn't does it....it costs more then mobile phones

More than a phone.....
I put up with aus prices, and the small single chars like astoroth are not as pricy as a phone.

if you bought a car with a faulty car tire you would SUE the car manufacturer for selling you that car

a) I would check the car before i bought it
b) Just get a new tyre and save a tonne of money on court fees

I fail to see any reason to complain about this, ring up and get a new one shipped to your door, done. No need to waste your precious 3 quid on fuel to get there either. They've fixed a lot of the problems that were present in the first wave of product, out of the 4 that i have, they're all fine, i do hate how brittle they are however. All i'm seeing out of your arguement is "i shouldn't have to call up to have my model replaced for free" now you read that back to yourself and ask these questions.

How long did it take to make this thread? How long would it have taken to ring customer support?

Here are some simple steps to resolve your problem:
1) Stop whining on the internet
2) Call GW customer support
3) Explain your miscast
4) Continue living life until it arrives
5) Walk to your door and collect the replacement
Bonus step
6) If this is also miscast see step 2-5, if you make another thread about it see step 1-5

yevix wrote:if the TOY costs i don't know £3 I would be less likely to complain about the poor quality but it doesn't does it....it costs more then mobile phones

More than a phone.....
I put up with aus prices, and the small single chars like astoroth are not as pricy as a phone.

http://www.coopelectricalshop.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=SAM-MOB-E1170-BK&utm_source=google&utm_medium=basefeed

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%C2%A310+mobile+phone&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3637347866242981973&sa=X&ei=2yFoTtb3MsOw8QPA1vnGCw&ved=0CGgQ8wIwAQ

go wild there are plenty more, heck go to private mobile sellers and look at their deals.

if you bought a car with a faulty car tire you would SUE the car manufacturer for selling you that car

a) I would check the car before i bought it
b) Just get a new tyre and save a tonne of money on court fees

I fail to see any reason to complain about this, ring up and get a new one shipped to your door, done. No need to waste your precious 3 quid on fuel to get there either. They've fixed a lot of the problems that were present in the first wave of product, out of the 4 that i have, they're all fine, i do hate how brittle they are however. All i'm seeing out of your arguement is "i shouldn't have to call up to have my model replaced for free" now you read that back to yourself and ask these questions.

How long did it take to make this thread? How long would it have taken to ring customer support?

Here are some simple steps to resolve your problem:
1) Stop whining on the internet
2) Call GW customer support
3) Explain your miscast
4) Continue living life until it arrives
5) Walk to your door and collect the replacement
Bonus step
6) If this is also miscast see step 2-5, if you make another thread about it see step 1-5

I have never had a finecast problem and I buy them like they are going out of style! Shock attack guns, kustom force fields, Ghazzy, Yarrick, Inquisitor Karamazov. All of these have had no problems and nobody I know has had any real problems other than the occasional mould line.

I have had problems with the plastic kits, but I called GW up, explained my situation, and they sent me a replacement free of charge.

I pose a couple questions to you:

1)If you know there are so many problems, why do you not check it in the store?
2)Why do you keep buying them if it isn't worth it?

I test drive my cars before I buy them so that I know what I am getting. If you buy a car without test driving it, you deserve its surprises. Same goes for models; if you take it home before making sure it is alright, you deserve to have it be miscast.

-cgmckenzie

a picture of the fault and a scan of proof of purchase.

As to the mobile phone bit....while i do agree that we pay way to much for our toys...the market comparison for mobile phones vs gw products is ridiculous.

There are likely more than a billion cell phone users world wide
There are likely less than 100,000 people who play 40k work wide

See where this is going?

Wowser, who would honestly buy a phone for under 10 quid though I stand corrected none the less

As for replacements, i've heard of that happening on forums and such(see the second post in this thread*), then again it is the internet. Best bet is to ring and ask though, just don't mention your within driving distance of a store

Worst case scenario, is the OP has to drive 25mins(the horror) to GW and get a new one, probably checking it this time around

IMO if the OP has had every single finecast model he bought in terrible condition, then he really should be checking the next ones he gets feverously anyways, Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I will concede and say he really shouldn't have to but i don't think it's as epic an ordeal as it seems in this forum, especially as it could have been avoided by the OP.

*honestly though i am unsure if it was sent back, doesn't seem like it though

Also just for the record i know your not the OP, those questions were for the OP.

Whine: To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
I fail to see how or where i have 'whined' about anything in this thread

another fun fact here

Games Workshop is a luxury manufacturer
Their product is essentially frivolous (as much as we love it)
, as such they can charge as much as we are willing to pay for it. That amount can be fairly high because of the fact that no one views this as a necessity (this does not mean that they should or that I endorse it, but it is within their right as a business) As it stands with my 1 project rule, they are nowhere near breaking my budget.