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I'm a pretty big Nirvana fan, I was 11 when 'Nevermind' was realeased and remember clearly getting my sweaty fingers on my first copy...
Point is, I'm 31 now and that means next week is 20 years since that seminal album was released and it still sounds fresh, even now.
Do you guys and gals think that of the new, modern bands out there, any of their releases will still be looked at in the same light 20 years from now?
I'm of the school of thought that 'Nevermind' changed the very face of rock music, and I count myself lucky to have been about when that happened. I can't think of a single album in the last 20 years that actually changed the genre of it's type so totally.
So come on Dakkanauts, what do you guys think? Has there been an album that changed the landscape of its genre in the same way that 'Nevermind' did 20 years ago?
Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".
A lot of the bigger 'Grunge' bands were hardly mediocre. Stone Temple Pilots, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam and SoundGarden can all trace thier success to the huge sales of 'Nevermind'
Not saying they ALL were. You happened to highlight some of my favorites of the era (well, except Pearl Jam--yuck). I liked Nirvana also. They just opened the door for anyone who could afford a flannel shirt and a guitar.
I feel very much so the same way about Blink 182. Though I liked them, were it not for Dude Ranch, we would be free of a lot of the mediocre bands than followed in their wake.
daedalus wrote:Not saying they ALL were. You happened to highlight some of my favorites of the era (well, except Pearl Jam--yuck). I liked Nirvana also. They just opened the door for anyone who could afford a flannel shirt and a guitar.
I feel very much so the same way about Blink 182. Though I liked them, were it not for Dude Ranch, we would be free of a lot of the mediocre bands than followed in their wake.
Punk Rock (which influenced grunge music) was a well established and known genre way before Blink 182 existed.
Dude, I feel your pain.... Though I am going to watch Ian Anderson perform the whole 'Thick As A Brick' album next year! So maybe I am old when it comes to musical taste.
As for punk setting up the grunge scene in the early 90's, agreed. And some of the biggest influences on Nirvana were around in the 70's!
daedalus wrote:Not saying they ALL were. You happened to highlight some of my favorites of the era (well, except Pearl Jam--yuck). I liked Nirvana also. They just opened the door for anyone who could afford a flannel shirt and a guitar.
I feel very much so the same way about Blink 182. Though I liked them, were it not for Dude Ranch, we would be free of a lot of the mediocre bands than followed in their wake.
Punk Rock (which influenced grunge music) was a well established and known genre way before Blink 182 existed.
That's why I put it in quotes. I suppose the precise genre I was searching for should have been "post-grunge punk-pop" containing "pre-emo" tendencies, but that gets kind of wordy.
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Dude, I feel your pain.... Though I am going to watch Ian Anderson perform the whole 'Thick As A Brick' album next year! So maybe I am old when it comes to musical taste.
As for punk setting up the grunge scene in the early 90's, agreed. And some of the biggest influences on Nirvana were around in the 70's!
Speaking of progressive rock I'm currently listening to Yes's "Fragile" album. Interesting Fact: "Thick As A Brick" was made as a spoof to all the people who were calling there previous album "Aqualung" a concept
album, so Jethro Tull released the most pretentious concept album they could think of.
Dude, I feel your pain.... Though I am going to watch Ian Anderson perform the whole 'Thick As A Brick' album next year! So maybe I am old when it comes to musical taste.
As for punk setting up the grunge scene in the early 90's, agreed. And some of the biggest influences on Nirvana were around in the 70's!
Speaking of progressive rock I'm currently listening to Yes's "Fragile" album. Interesting Fact: "Thick As A Brick" was made as a spoof to all the people who were calling there previous album "Aqualung" a concept
album, so Jethro Tull released the most pretentious concept album they could think of.
Although I prefer 'Aqualung' and 'Broadsword and The Beast', I figured that this will probably be my last chance to see any of Tulls stuff live...so snapped up 3 tickets tonight! Looking forward to it!
And good choice with 'Fragile' btw
I saw a Live Tull concert on TV last summer. It was fantastic. I cant even begin to imagine how that front man can be as old as he is, and still prance/dance/jump around on stage through the entire set. Good gravy.
And wow, 20 years you say? Yikes...............................................
I'm a pretty big Nirvana fan, I was 11 when 'Nevermind' was realeased and remember clearly getting my sweaty fingers on my first copy...
Point is, I'm 31 now and that means next week is 20 years since that seminal album was released and it still sounds fresh, even now.
Do you guys and gals think that of the new, modern bands out there, any of their releases will still be looked at in the same light 20 years from now?
I'm of the school of thought that 'Nevermind' changed the very face of rock music, and I count myself lucky to have been about when that happened. I can't think of a single album in the last 20 years that actually changed the genre of it's type so totally.
So come on Dakkanauts, what do you guys think? Has there been an album that changed the landscape of its genre in the same way that 'Nevermind' did 20 years ago?
I'm just consistently annoyed when douchebags wind themselves up and proclaim Nirvana was the voice of a generation. Er...no.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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notprop wrote:Fraz, I thought that the voice of your generation was Perry Como?
Still, er...... Nevermind.
That whippersnapper? No way. Louis Armstrong, now he was da bomb.
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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:So I'm a douchebag for liking Nirvana?
Only if you think Nirvana is the "voice of a generation."
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't think that at all Frazzled, I just think that 'Nevermind' was the way open for a lot of bands to make it big. A lot of popular bands.....in that respect it was a watershed moment in music
daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".
I think I'd be inclined to argue that 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols' marked the point at which punk became popular and flooded with mediocrity.
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KingCracker wrote: Over rated, would be my view on them
I agree. I can count on 0 hands their songs I liked. I prefer my singers to be able to be understandable and not just mumble their way through an album.
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daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".
I think I'd be inclined to argue that 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols' marked the point at which punk became popular and flooded with mediocrity.
Yeah a lot of punk bands are duds but there's a few good ones like "The Germs".
daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".
I think I'd be inclined to argue that 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols' marked the point at which punk became popular and flooded with mediocrity.
Yeah a lot of punk bands are duds but there's a few good ones like "The Germs".
The Germs were a amazing...
@ English Assassin...I'd disagree, I believe...and it's simply my opinion, that Generation X marked the point at which Punk ( at least in the UK) became flooded with mediocrity.
OT...Never cared much for Nirvana...but thought Bleach was a much better album than Nevermind..
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