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Egads, I had forgotten about Generation X; they would meet that description equally well. Either way, I would maintain the assertion that punk had opened the door to inferior copyists while Kurt Cobain was still in short trousers.

Smashing Pumpkin's first album "Gish" was released the same year. It was a good year for music.

I used to listen to punk. Still do.

George Spiggott wrote:Definitely my second favourite Nirvana album. I much prefer In Utero.

This is probably my favourite track, and video from Nevermind.



I do wish I'd picked up the 12" picture disc singles from Nevermind when I had the chance.

Wait they had more than one album? Wow, learn something every day.


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olympia wrote:Smashing Pumpkin's first album "Gish" was released the same year. It was a good year for music.

Now we're talking.

Of feth. Frazzled and I share musical tastes? Oh feth. Either I am more of an ass than I think I am, or you are less of an ass than I think you are.

olympia wrote:Of feth. Frazzled and I share musical tastes? Oh feth. Either I am more of an ass than I think I am, or you are less of an ass than I think you are.

There is a thirds option: both.

They had some good songs but I think they are overrated in the end. I always wondered if he hadn't offed himself if they would have become the legend they are.

Melchiour wrote:They had some good songs but I think they are overrated in the end. I always wondered if he hadn't offed himself if they would have become the legend they are.

Probably not, considering the variety of popular grunge bands today.

Honestly, as bad as it is to say, it was probably the best thing for the longevity of his career.

Well, if things hadn't turned out the way they did, we wouldn't have the Foo Fighters, who put out some great tracks.

Nevermind was a solid album. Smells Like Teen Spirit, In Bloom, Come as You Are, and Litium were good to great songs IMHO. Best in the world? Not by a long shot, but still a solid album.

Music of the 50s and early 60s was terrible. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s. This awesomeness lasted until the mid-70s, when rock really fell apart. The late 70s and most of the 80s was filled with terrible music. Then, in the late 80s, music suddenly became really good again. This lasted until the early 2000s, when music collapsed. The terrible music has lasted until the early 10s.

So, I think the most exciting part of this is that it means we're due for a new music revolution!

Music tends to go on 25 year cycles.
It starts with a new genre gaining a bit of traction. The music isn't revolutionary, but it's really good, and introduces people to a new sound (in this example, REM and U2 introducing Alternative music).
Then, an album comes out and is hugely popular (Nevermind in this case). This leads to the general public becoming aware of all the other awesome bands already out there in the same genre (STP, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc). These new bands expand people's horizons, and leads to popularizing other genres that are different, but with similar sounds (Smashing Pumpkins, Rage against The Machine, Weezer, etc).
This trend lasts for 10 years or so. The sound is constantly evolving and new sub-genres appear and disappear. There's some terrible music that gets made, but, for the most part, the music scene is dominated by quality bands doing revolutionary things.

However, at about the 10 year mark, people start to run out of ideas. The original bands that defined the genre have gotten old and are just putting out mediocre versions of the music they already covered. New bands try to imitate the old sound, but they everything innovative they try is disappointing (Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie, John Mayer, etc). There is occasionally a really excellent band that emerges, but the vast majority of it is utter crap. This lasts for 5 years or so before people start to get sick of the music and abandon it. Eventually, about 20 years since the original album came out, they turn actively hostile towards the genre.

At this point, people turn to the 1 or 2 bands really doing something interesting. Then, a new album comes out that takes what was interesting from those 1 or 2 bands, and defines (or, at least, popularizes) a new sound, and the entire cycle starts again.

So, expect any time now for a brand new genre of music to be born.

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Corrected your typo.

Frazzled wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Corrected your typo.

I'm with Frazz on this one. Not to mention the fact that there would have been no British Invasion were it not for the popularity of the music coming out of the US in the UK in the fifties.

htj wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Corrected your typo.

I'm with Frazz on this one. Not to mention the fact that there would have been no British Invasion were it not for the popularity of the music coming out of the US in the UK in the fifties.

Here's just a few:
*the MoTown sound.
*Elvis Presley
*Henry Mancini
*the continuation of soul and blues. Fats Domino as an example.
*True Western Music. Patsy Cline, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, etc.
*Some guy named Ray Charles
So in the words of our man Fats: I'm gonna be a wheel someday. I'm gonna be somebody. Then I'll be a real gone cat, and then I won't want you...

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was terrible. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s. This awesomeness lasted until the mid-70s, when rock really fell apart. The late 70s and most of the 80s was filled with terrible music. Then, in the late 80s, music suddenly became really good again. This lasted until the early 2000s, when music collapsed. The terrible music has lasted until the early 10s.

So, I think the most exciting part of this is that it means we're due for a new music revolution!

Music tends to go on 25 year cycles.
It starts with a new genre gaining a bit of traction. The music isn't revolutionary, but it's really good, and introduces people to a new sound (in this example, REM and U2 introducing Alternative music).
Then, an album comes out and is hugely popular (Nevermind in this case). This leads to the general public becoming aware of all the other awesome bands already out there in the same genre (STP, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc). These new bands expand people's horizons, and leads to popularizing other genres that are different, but with similar sounds (Smashing Pumpkins, Rage against The Machine, Weezer, etc).
This trend lasts for 10 years or so. The sound is constantly evolving and new sub-genres appear and disappear. There's some terrible music that gets made, but, for the most part, the music scene is dominated by quality bands doing revolutionary things.

However, at about the 10 year mark, people start to run out of ideas. The original bands that defined the genre have gotten old and are just putting out mediocre versions of the music they already covered. New bands try to imitate the old sound, but they everything innovative they try is disappointing (Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie, John Mayer, etc). There is occasionally a really excellent band that emerges, but the vast majority of it is utter crap. This lasts for 5 years or so before people start to get sick of the music and abandon it. Eventually, about 20 years since the original album came out, they turn actively hostile towards the genre.

At this point, people turn to the 1 or 2 bands really doing something interesting. Then, a new album comes out that takes what was interesting from those 1 or 2 bands, and defines (or, at least, popularizes) a new sound, and the entire cycle starts again.

So, expect any time now for a brand new genre of music to be born.

Guys like Grakmar make me laugh. He's got it all figured out!

He's just young. Its ok. We all were.
U2 starting alternative music? Er...no. U2 was great but I haven't heard an alternative lyric in any of their albums. Thats like saying the Rolling Stones were alternative. WTF?

I really like cobain's voice but i dont really like the songs.