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What exactly is piracy? are there varying degrees of piracy?
are these all piracy?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

LunaHound wrote:What exactly is piracy? are there varying degrees of piracy?
are these all piracy?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

I'd say all of them, with the exception of 3 - that's fine imho as long as you're not profiting off the pictures.

all of the above, but most commercial artists won't follow you up on using their stuff in a signature (can't speak for the freelance artists on dakka though)

#3 is abit weird. Do they not follow up because they condone you using it? Or they just cant go police the internet on everyone that uses it ( almost like its ok if you don't get caught ) ?

LunaHound wrote:3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )

Depends on their terms of usage. Some artists will allow free use of their work, some will allow use with credit, others will allow modification of their work (with or without credit) while others will not allow reproduction of their work for any reason.

Basically if you are using their work and you do not have their permission, you are in the wrong. I know a couple of artists who have reported people using their artwork without permission to ISP's to have it removed.

LunaHound wrote:What exactly is piracy? are there varying degrees of piracy?
are these all piracy?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

Really Luna? I know I've hashed this same discussion out with you at least three times since I joined this forum in massive 80 page long threads on the subjectivity of morality and so on.


Why are you bringing it up again? For like, the fourth time? You already know what the answers are gonna be, and in great depth!

Ketara wrote:Why are you bringing it up again?

Glutton for punishment?

Ketara wrote:


Why are you bringing it up again? For like, the fourth time? You already know what the answers are gonna be, and in great depth!

Why bring up any of the other threads that pop up every other week and drag on for 40-50 pages? I suppose it is just the way of things.

Clearly it's Option 5:

The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea.

(Sorry, but when I saw "What counts as piracay?", this is what I first thought of)

Ketara wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What exactly is piracy? are there varying degrees of piracy?
are these all piracy?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

Really Luna? I know I've hashed this same discussion out with you at least three times since I joined this forum in massive 80 page long threads on the subjectivity of morality and so on.


Why are you bringing it up again? For like, the fourth time? You already know what the answers are gonna be, and in great depth!

Dear Ketara
I have been gone for a long time, if there are threads that answers these questions, DO direct me to them.
If not, i don't like your claims.

And as you can see, there are no arguments over morality, this isn't a morality thread.
If you have any additional questions or claims regarding this thread, you are very welcome to PM me.

The unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc

Really Luna? Okay. List of threads to do with recasting and whatnot coming up. This subject has been utterly done to death. I remember personally discussing it with you at least thrice, and reading about it and not bothering to join in at least once.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/249959.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/381434.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/329913.page#2155882
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/279809.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/249865.page

That's five links within like the first ten pages of the search function. Before you say, 'ahh, that's just recasting, not codex piracy and stuff as well':-

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/332928.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/86932.page#87554
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/172107.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/340847.page

I've noted you posting quite extensively in a number of these.
So to summarise, anyone interested can very, very easily get more conversation on the subject than they ever possibly wanted to see with some very basic use of the search function....

The greater question is by marketing and selling Dreadfleet is GW endorsing piracy?

Nice links, too bad they are irrelevant to this thread.
Which specifically is asking for what types of piracy are there, and are there varying degrees in how the law perceive them.

Unlike your links, it has nothing to do with morality.
This isn't a thread discussing whether i think piracy is morale or not.

You sound really vexed, please calm down and re look at this thread.

LunaHound wrote:Nice links, too bad they are irrelevant to this thread.
Which specifically is asking for what types of piracy are there, and are there varying degrees in how the law perceive them.

Unlike your links, it has nothing to do with morality.
This isn't a thread discussing whether i think piracy is morale or not.

You sound really vexed, please calm down and re look at this thread.

Irrelevant? Interesting. Considering you just asked, 'Is recasting piracy?' , I would call that entirely similar to 'Is recasting legal?'. You know, since piracy is illegal? I mean, and all that 'Is there varying degrees of piracy?' I would be interested to see how you intend to discuss that without referring to people's perception of piracy, which is also heavily discussed in the above links.

If, however, you're looking for a precise etymological breakdown and discussion of the word 'piracy' then the whole deal with recasting and suchlike is irrelevant as well, so I'd have no idea why you mentioned it to begin with.

Interestingly enough as well, the question over precisely what piracy is was actually raised in one of the longer linked threads above. If you actually re-read them briefly instead of simply scanning the thread titles, I'm sure you'll be capable of finding it. The search function is so very simple after all.

And linking relevant materials due to seeing a rehashed topic is being vexed now...? Dear me, online etiquette must have changed whilst I wasn't looking.

Irrelevant? Interesting. Considering you just asked, 'Is recasting piracy?' , I would call that entirely similar to 'Is recasting legal?'. You know, since piracy is illegal? I mean, and all that 'Is there varying degrees of piracy?' I would be interested to see how you intend to discuss that without referring to people's perception of piracy, which is also heavily discussed in the above links.

As i stated, there are many different type of piracy, i listed the ones that im almost sure is considered piracy unless there are some exceptions
as noted by many others eg #3.
Thus there are variations and details that we might or might now know, hence the thread.

If, however, you're looking for a precise etymological breakdown and discussion of the word 'piracy' then the whole deal with recasting and suchlike is irrelevant as well, so I'd have no idea why you mentioned it to begin with.

Interestingly enough as well, the question over precisely what piracy is was actually raised in one of the longer linked threads above. If you actually re-read them briefly instead of simply scanning the thread titles, I'm sure you'll be capable of finding it. The search function is so very simple after all.

If you think this thread is pointless or a repeat, it can be treated like the other threads out there, without being rude towards me.
Why i PM? because im not sure if my question for you are been read in this thread. A logical thing to do is ask you the question directly in a PM.
That is for some reason, you think i shouldn't ask my question in PM and you claim im wasting your time.

LunaHound wrote:
If you think this thread is pointless or a repeat, it can be treated like the other threads out there, without being rude towards me.

And no doubt if the thread was deleted as such, you'd start accusing whoever did it of being 'corrupted'? (a mildly bizare comment if I've ever seen one)

Why i PM? because im not sure if my question for you are been read in this thread. A logical thing to do is ask you the question directly in a PM.
That is for some reason, you think i shouldn't ask my question in PM and you claim im wasting your time.

....I never said any such thing? I'm just wondering why you're PMing me to tell me you've replied, and then start accusing me of 'pushing you around just because I'm a mod'?

Jeez. You choose to edit a few thread titles in a dedicated sub-forum, and you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore....

Depends on the law, OP. You live in Canada, I don't know Canadian law.

I know that in the UK, (1) is not illegal piracy when done for private study and no recasts find their way into the possession of anyone else.

lindsay40k wrote:Depends on the law, OP. You live in Canada, I don't know Canadian law.

I know that in the UK, (1) is not illegal piracy when done for private study and no recasts find their way into the possession of anyone else.

I would say UK holds a pretty good standard on laws. Thanks for sharing :3

lindsay40k wrote:Depends on the law, OP. You live in Canada, I don't know Canadian law.

I know that in the UK, (1) is not illegal piracy when done for private study and no recasts find their way into the possession of anyone else.

I would seriously doubt that using in gaming would count as 'private study'. Also 'private study' or otherwise called fair dealing does not include multiple copies which basically means the entirety of how people recast for wargaming is not protected.

LunaHound wrote:
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos

What counts as downloading them? Just by listening to them you are downloading, at least in a temporary buffer. Is it okay to listen to copyrighted stuff on youtube but not download it as mp3?

My attitude is that youtube should police it better than rely on me to know what content is legal.

Ketara wrote:
Why are you bringing it up again? For like, the fourth time? You already know what the answers are gonna be, and in great depth!

Probably grinding an axe from this thread.

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

It depends on the country. If you really need to know, ask a lawyer. Expecting good legal advice on a wargaming discussion forum is like expecting good Chinese food at Taco Bell.

Wait, Taco Bell doesn't serve Chinese food?

Man, they ripped me off!

All of the above.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos

What counts as downloading them? Just by listening to them you are downloading, at least in a temporary buffer. Is it okay to listen to copyrighted stuff on youtube but not download it as mp3?

My attitude is that youtube should police it better than rely on me to know what content is legal.

If i listen to music on youtube, im guessing thats one thing.
But there are programs now to grab mp3 off the youtube videos. So now its in ipod or your phone without need to visit youtube.

LunaHound wrote:What exactly is piracy?

Piracy is theft or violence comitted at sea.

are there varying degrees of piracy?

Yes. many nations have differing Piracy acts; these can be found on Wikipedia.

are these all piracy?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

Technically no.. Unless they happen at sea.

/Straightface

Dunno where you're going with this thread... We've had loads of others like it. Piracy is often imprecisely used to refer to the theft of electronically coded information (we internet people like to make ourselves sound cooler i guess), so if i can rephrase your last question as:

are all these theft?

1) Recasting products ( eg recasting figures, recasting bits like melta gun and missile launchers, or even whole arms + weapons and whole torsos? )
2) Illegal DL of MP3 or perhaps catching mp3 off youtube videos
3) Using pictures without artist's consent ( Avatars, Siggy, Wallpaper )
4) Illegal DL of books in pdf

Yes. Yes they are.

All of the pertinent information the OP seeks can be found here.

Recasting and selling is a crime. Making a few more Meltaguns for the vets? That's fine.

One that's missing but relevant to our disucssions is copying someone else's designs. If I sculpt a 28mm X-wing, or Star Wars-style Storm Troopers-even if I don't recast anything-it's still piracy.

A lot of the GW tag along firms seem to look at various GW art books and sculpt figures based on them. Although they're doing their own sculpting work it's still pirating someone else's designs.

And then there's trademark violations, which is using someone else's brand names, even if it's an original product.

All of this is hard and expensive to prove in court but there you go.


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Chowderhead wrote:Recasting and selling is a crime. Making a few more Meltaguns for the vets? That's fine.

No.

At least not under US law.

Reproducing someone else's work without permission is piracy.

In the case of GW, both GW and various bitz companies sell separate meltaguns, so you really are costing them sales.

Sculpting your own heat rays and arming vets with them is the only legal option.

Hence one of the curious question i had.
Is it "ok" because no one can tell the difference so no one knows?
Or is it "ok" because its an exception and condoned.