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Most people think that the imperium is going to fall, but really is it. The great threat of the Tyranids is doomed as the necrons dont want pesky bugs running over their galaxy. The tau will be masacred by the Tyrandis before the crons get 'em. The dark eldar will destroy the remenants of the eldar whilst they weaken the dark eldar so they can be destroyed by the necrons and space marines. The orks will be jealous of all the fighting and go to war with everyone and get killed by the crons before the metal warriors move onto chaos and then there will be one epic clash between the imperium the orks and the crons who will win?

There's so much wrong with that appraisal of the situation.

But to answer your question, no. It won't ever fall.

Because GW will never advance their plot.

(Nurgle voice) EVeRytHINg WiLL RoT. iN TiMe.

Realistically in universe, it would break apart into smaller empires like the Roman Empire rather than come crashing down in one big heap.

Realistically out of universe, Lokas is dead on.

GW won't let it happen. In fluff the only thing that will lead to the Imperium crumbling is the destruction of Terra and/or the Astronomican dying.

Yeah, because the Tyranids are going to go away just because the zombie robots don't like them (/sarcasm). It took the destruction of hundreds of planets to divert a hive fleet, and while the Necrons have a machine which can do that (*facepalm*) they can't do it too much without causing massive chain reactions.

I'm not aware of the Dark Eldar being particularly eager to kill the Eldar either.

I also don't appreciate you treating destroying Chaos as a menial chore the Necrons would have to do before moving on to play with the big boys. Whatever has been done to them gameplay wise, they're still a force to be reckoned with, and to kill them the Necrons would have to attack what is essentially the best defence in the galaxy, the Eye of Terror. For all that it stops the CSM attacking properly, it's also virtually impossible to attack, not to mention fighting there would give the Traitors access to infinite daemons, daemon princes, free manipulation of space and time if their god is in a good mood, and any daemon primarchs that had nothing better to do for the day.

And of course, the Necrons are Alpharius anyway.

Durza wrote:Yeah, because the Tyranids are going to go away just because the zombie robots don't like them (/sarcasm). It took the destruction of hundreds of planets to divert a hive fleet, and while the Necrons have a machine which can do that (*facepalm*) they can't do it too much without causing massive chain reactions.

I'm not aware of the Dark Eldar being particularly eager to kill the Eldar either.

I also don't appreciate you treating destroying Chaos as a menial chore the Necrons would have to do before moving on to play with the big boys. Whatever has been done to them gameplay wise, they're still a force to be reckoned with, and to kill them the Necrons would have to attack what is essentially the best defence in the galaxy, the Eye of Terror. For all that it stops the CSM attacking properly, it's also virtually impossible to attack, not to mention fighting there would give the Traitors access to infinite daemons, daemon princes, free manipulation of space and time if their god is in a good mood, and any daemon primarchs that had nothing better to do for the day.

And of course, the Necrons are Alpharius anyway.

What Durza said. Chaos is a big deal, anyway you slice it.

This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Yes, be it in a few centuries or a few more millenniums.

Captain Knight wrote:Most people think that the imperium is going to fall, but really is it. The great threat of the Tyranids is doomed as the necrons dont want pesky bugs running over their galaxy. The tau will be masacred by the Tyrandis before the crons get 'em. The dark eldar will destroy the remenants of the eldar whilst they weaken the dark eldar so they can be destroyed by the necrons and space marines. The orks will be jealous of all the fighting and go to war with everyone and get killed by the crons before the metal warriors move onto chaos and then there will be one epic clash between the imperium the orks and the crons who will win?

Much in this post is.... pretty incorrect.

GW will never progress the story to that point, so we won't ever see the Imperium fall, but realistically (if you can use that word to describe anything in Warhammer 40K) the Imperium is threatened by so many powerful enemies that eventually it will be destroyed. No single foe will destroy it, but the combined threat of the Tyranids, Orks, Necrons, and Chaos, not to mention internal rebellion, will slowly bring about its end. Obviously those foes aren't going to unite against the Imperium in some sort of "Legion of Doom"-esque pact.

The Eldar and Dark Eldar are not enemies, they aren't even particularly antagonistic toward each other. It's a common misconception carried over from WHFB. And the Harlequins are on both lists, so Cegorach (the only surviving, unbroken, and uncaptured eldar god) doesn't care. None of them want to be eaten by slaneesh. The DE's plan is to outlive it, the Craftworld and Exodites have made their own afterlife (in the infinity circuits. But they are not any more antagonistic to each other than the Inquisition and the Space Marines are to each other(ie they fight each other sometimes, but aren't enemies by default)

CuddlySquig wrote:
Realistically in universe, it would break apart into smaller empires like the Roman Empire rather than come crashing down in one big heap.

This.
Orior Imperium vs Occidens Impirum.
Would be pretty cool. The Orior Imperium would speak Greek, too, which would be badass.

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Coa, your boundless optimism never ceases to amaze me.

Joey wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:
Realistically in universe, it would break apart into smaller empires like the Roman Empire rather than come crashing down in one big heap.

This.
Orior Imperium vs Occidens Impirum.
Would be pretty cool. The Orior Imperium would speak Greek, too, which would be badass.

Been There, done 'dat

There's this little-known bit of fluff outlined on the BRB, the Nova Terra Interregnum. The whole Segmentum Pacificus seceded after the Ecclesiarchy attempted to impose a fully theocratic regime. It was stomped back into compliance, but the splinter empire lasted for at least 900 years.

No mention of them using greek (instead of latin) for their version of high gothic. But It'd be undeniably cool.

Frankly, this is one of those parts of the fluff I'd love to see expanded in the future. I've even considered getting an army of Nova Terra rebel guard!

I think we have a bit of mindless optimism here.

Captain Knight wrote:Most people think that the imperium is going to fall, but really is it.

First point: GW will never advance the story line to a conclusion. If, hypothetically speaking, it were to naturally continue at its current course, the Imperium will fail.

The great threat of the Tyranids is doomed as the necrons dont want pesky bugs running over their galaxy.

The latest Tyranid Hive Fleet required a monumental expendature of resources for the Imperium to simply divert, and it's still very much a threat.

The tau will be masacred by the Tyrandis before the crons get 'em.

Probably.

The dark eldar will destroy the remenants of the eldar whilst they weaken the dark eldar so they can be destroyed by the necrons and space marines.

The Dark Eldar don't fight the Craftworld Eldar. This is not WHFB. They co-exist and have little to do with each other for the most part. Besides, the Dark Eldar are apparently growing in size and power, and they're based in a realm that is nigh unassailable. So no, this is never going to happen.

The orks will be jealous of all the fighting and go to war with everyone and get killed by the crons

It seems that you're overestimating how powerful the Necrons are, whilst assuming things that should be common knowledge. The Orks are not unified. Each and every Warboss chooses what his little Waaagh! does, they do not make decisions as a race, so there's no getting jealous and attacking the other races like you think. As for the Necrons, well, they aren't unified either, far from it. They may generally have the same purpose, to rule the other races like they once did, but like the Orks, each leader or Overlord makes the decisions as to what his army of mindless automotons does, and each has his own motives before any unified goal. You won't see the Necrons running around exterminating entire races and factions willy-nilly.

before the metal warriors move onto chaos

Good luck with that. Chaos is the single largest threat that the Imperium faces. The Chaos Gods have orchestrated galaxy changing events despite only taking a metaphorical glance at the material world to do so. The no longer unified Necrons aren't going to be able to destroy something they have literally no understanding of.

and then there will be one epic clash between the imperium the orks and the crons who will win?

I though the Orks were destroyed in your time-line? So it's a battle between the Necrons and curiously, the Imperium, a faction that has somehow made it through wars between the Necrons and every other race without even a single mention. Right, this wont happen. Like many have already said, there will be no single power that spells the Imperium's inevitable downfall. They'll all be picking away at it until there's nothing left but a couple of independent human factions.

Brother Coa wrote:Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Who the hell is Aldo?

And yes, it will fall. With the long-term nerfing of the Necrons in the setting, it will either be to Chaos or the Tyranids.

The Dark Eldar aren't trying to kill off the Eldar.
They think they're quaint and they want the eldar to keep on chugging for their souls taste good with ketchup.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Who the hell is Aldo?

And yes, it will fall. With the long-term nerfing of the Necrons in the setting, it will either be to Chaos or the Tyranids.

My bet's on Chaos, though I don't thing they need to mount a huge, unstoppable Black Crusade to make it happen, as the Imperium's rotting slowly from within.

I like to think that the Emperor conceived his earthly realm to act as a flood barrier against Chaos. Not that things are going exactly as planned, though.

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

The Necrons, Eldar and Chaos Astartes say much the same thing about themselves.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Nope.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

I'm sure they said the same thing about the Great Crusade. Things didn't exactly end well.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Your mindless optimism never ceases to amaze me.

Short answer: no.

Wrong answer.

Won't happen as long as GW wants to sell imperium related armies.

I think people are taking Coa a little more seriously than he takes himself, honestly.

I wasn't sure at first, but I am pretty positive that he doesn't actually believe a lot of the things he says.

Do I think it will fall, no. Do I secretly want it to just so I can find out what the Terminus Decree is, yeah.

Void__Dragon wrote:I think people are taking Coa a little more seriously than he takes himself, honestly.

I wasn't sure at first, but I am pretty positive that he doesn't actually believe a lot of the things he says.

I kind of agree, it's kind of hard for someone to actually be that... delusional.

HOWEVER, if you haven't been around for a while seeing him spew his crazy on a regular basis in numerous places will simply assume he's a beligerant nutter screaming stubbornly about how awesome the imperium is.

I mean he is a nutter screaming about how awesome the imperium is, but you have to take him with a pinch of salt

The best way to take him is to throw salt in his eyes? Ok then. Followed by headlock or uppercut? (I jest...)

The Imperium will never fall due to GW not wanting to end the game, but it's getting steadily harder to believe the 'We're dying! Apart from Draigo and the Sanguinor and Calgar and Creed and Marbo and... ...and Khan we have no heroes to fight for us! All is lost!'

That's true, the Imperial codices tend to have a lot of plot armour that really can dampen the grimdark for a guy.

I mean hell, I felt gypped after I read the Necron codex, and Imotekh didn't punch out an Avatar of Khaine.

If he can't even do that, what hope can he have against the Imperium?

Void__Dragon wrote:That's true, the Imperial codices tend to have a lot of plot armour that really can dampen the grimdark for a guy.

I mean hell, I felt gypped after I read the Necron codex, and Imotekh didn't punch out an Avatar of Khaine.

If he can't even do that, what hope can he have against the Imperium?

Psh. no one punches out Avatars anymore.


All the cool kids now Kidnap Primarchs.

The imperium, as it seems, may fall, but let's be honest and say they have a chance in winning. The eldar are dying anyway, so they won't win. Chaos has a larger chance that the imperium, about equal to the necrons (with fact the necrons outnumber the imperium if all the rest survive) Tau will probably ally with the imperium in the end, tyranids will lose, almost definately. Dark eldar? Now way. It's a clash between tau, imperium, chaos and necrons in the final battle and I just hope the necrons win.

Who knows? The golden throne might have *another* failure in 6th edition. Won't that be gritty and dramatic.

Guys, Imperium will not fall.

If they ever decide to finish the story, they will probably resurrect the Emperor via Sensei. But before resurrection he will probably do something bad ass in the Warp ( not killing Chaos Gods but maybe close the Eye of Terror ). After that he will just start another Great Crusade with more Space Marines then ever, Primarch will return, the ones that are wounded will be healed again and Imperium will rule the galaxy.

That is, of course, one way of finishing the story if they ever decide to.

Another way is an Ork Kommando sneaking into the Celestial Orrery and poking out all the pretty lights.

My preferred ending.

Yeah....that can work to