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Now, Warhammer has changed and evolved a lot, and some things have been lost along the way, but as both the Chaos Dwarfs and the Storm of Magic book have proved, it doesn't have to be forever.

Now some of the old forces, e.g. Slann I don't think should make a comeback, but others really deserve it in my view

So what forces would you like to see back?

For me, in 40K I'd love to see revamped Squats, not Demiurg, Squats, serious non-cartoony Squats, Mantic did their Forgefather's beautifully, why couldn't GW do some amazing Space Dwarfs.

Praetorians, they contrasted with the Grimdark setting, but in a nice way, they weren't as serious as the other armies, they were only a minor part and the models did look beautiful

For Fantasy first and foremost are the forces of Kislev, Boris Ursus is one of my all time favorite models and I'm still desperately trying to get hold of him, then if you expanded that model set a bit and brought back the old models, I'd sell my other armies for a huge Kislev force

Secondly and close behind are the Zoats, now yes there were Zoats in the SoM book, but I'd love to see a contingent of them, or some models at the very least. A druid, a few warriors, maybe some kind of giant monster

Thirdly, Fimir, now I know one appeared in the SoM and more are rumored for Monstrous Arcana, but again I'd love a full army of one of the few completely warhammer forces

What about you?

Proper genestealer cults. Bring on the Hybrids!

40k has carved its own identity.

The Squats are only liked by people ironically. They're goofy by design. There is no niche that they can fulfill that isn't already taken. Mantic's space dwarves have been taken in a rather mixed opinion.

Praetorians also add really nothing to the game that the Imperial Guard don't already encompass. There are plenty of pith helmeted heads out there so Praetorians can easily be done without GW interference. Perhaps they may have been silly in a grimdark world, but then again Space Marines and Eldar run around in Skittles armor while Orks are soccer hooligans.

Personally, I really wouldn't want them to bring anyone back to 40k. The Zoats being allied with Tyranids is rather awkward and the fluff took this to its logical conclusion. The Slann are a rather boring copy+paste from Fantasy (like Squats). Genestealer Cults and "Lost and the Damned" are really similar in design and could be an interesting comeback.
Perhaps I would really like it if they brought back old units. Imperial Guard Suicide Bombers make sense; even throw them into Orks. Eldar Battle Drones would make too much sense; why aren't the dying Eldar employing more robots? Harlequin Solitaires are a fan-favorite. Legio Cybernetica Robots would be fun; it's rather annoying that the lower-tech Tau get AI.

Plus, with the Umbra, the Hrud, and especially the Adeptus Mechanicus are other avenues that GW hasn't explored for newer armies in the fluff. Seriously though, why hasn't the Adeptus Mechanicus gotten its own army already?

Squats are fairly stupid in the 40k setting and I'm glad they're gone. There are numerous groups I'd like to see have their own armies (Adeptus Mechanicus, Chaos Renegades, a non-Imperial human faction) but none that I want to see brought back. Most of the stuff that has been cut out (Zoats, Exodite Eldar, etc.) was too goofy and fantasy-related.

Chaos Dwarves had their place in WHFB though.

Absolutionis wrote:40k has carved its own identity.

GW make another game as well. Warhammer... Fantasy? I think it's called that.

I'd like to see Zoats and Fimir back in more than just Storm of Magic scrolls. But apparently Forgeworld are on this. They've been given the go ahead for Fimir, Snake people and, IIRC, Zoats. Forgeworld are a far better entity to resurrect old races, because they aren't tied to the studios release cycle of army book + range update. They can make, say, some new Fimir warriors and a command group, and make some rules for them for free that allow them to be fielded by certain armies.

I would like not an army pre say but I'd like to field official Arbite Patrol teams again with special rules in regards to their executioner shells.

-Loki- wrote:But apparently Forgeworld are on this. They've been given the go ahead for Fimir, Snake people and, IIRC, Zoats.

By snake people do you mean naga/yuan-ti?

I want to see Chaos Dwarfs come as an actually supported army, but meh.

CT GAMER wrote:Proper genestealer cults. Bring on the Hybrids!

All kinds of this... it may be one of the most developed fluff wise too, other than squats.. wouldn't take much to kick start it


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P.s... I don't know how, but I have never seen a Fimir before!


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Googling away.

AlexHolker wrote:

-Loki- wrote:But apparently Forgeworld are on this. They've been given the go ahead for Fimir, Snake people and, IIRC, Zoats.

By snake people do you mean naga/yuan-ti?

No idea. In their games day presentation, where they were talking about Monstrous Arcana, they also mentioned some other fantasy stuff they're working on. Two of them were Fimir and 'serpent men'.

Arbites and cults, for sure. I don't know how much overlap you could do for Genestealer cults and Chaos cults, and if it would be possible to run them in the same book. Then again, back in the day Genestealer cults would sometimes worship Khorne so you never know. I'd want Genestealer cults to be separate from the Tyranids proper, but as a WD minidex they'd be great.

I like the idea of any non CSM cults coming back. Stealers, LATD. Squats...meh.

Also would be cool with Slann coming back.

Honestly, I'd like to see a lot of the old stuff come back - even in minor form - say as an add-on to an existing army. I'll ignore models that are still official, even if OOP (ie: Praetorians, Vostroyans)

Squats. I'd like to see them back properly, but they could work as an IG abhuman add-on with a few different unit options (infantry, sappers, bikers)

Loyalist Beastmen in IG.

Genestealer cult armies! I'm not too fussed about a return of their cousin - Chaos Genestealer cults.

Fimir and Zoats in WFB - they were small things that made WFB unique, rather than just being a copy of Generic Fantasy World, which is what they scaled back to after WFB3. They could be Mercenaries/Storm of Magic-style Extras or small add-ons to existing armies.

Space Zoats! I would love to see these guys make a return. Jokero-style would be enough for me. Give them to the Tau.

Arbites (rolled into an Inquisiton codex?)

Proper Chaos Cults - L&TD style from the EOT codex. (Which IA book has Chaos cults?)

Chaos Dwarfs - FW is in the process.


edit - grrr crappy list tags!

40K:-
Genestealer Cults
The Lost and the Damned

Fantasy:-
Richter Kreugar's Cursed Company (OK, so it's a unit rather than a race/army, but seriously, why the heck was this discontinued? Those non-human skeletons were great for spicing up Undead armies.)

Also, not an old army, but the Adeptus Mechanicus seriously needs its own (mini?) army, even if there already are too many Imperial armies.

I liked the squats quite a bit. I feel Tau filled that niche... but I do miss trikes, exo-armor, and land trains (I used to play them in Epic).

Another vote for Genestealer cults, and for Chaos Cults, Traitor Guard, etc.

And yes, though the Imperium is already, in the eyes of many, over-represented, some kind of allies list to add Adeptus Mechanicus, Arbites, and other oddities to standard lists would be fun and fluffy, and might even add a bit of much-needed variety.

Actually, all of the above could easily-enough be implemented by one Storm of Magic-type book.

So far as Warhammer goes, it would be cool to see Nipponese and Cathayan armies again. Maybe if Games Workshop find themselves interested in marketing the games in the Far East...

I'd seriously think about one expansion for Cults / Arbites etc. It's all basically inquisitor / necromunda stuff, it should probably all be revamped into one big ol' book for 'civillian issues'.

The Hurd would be nice to see in the mix, same the the robot armies.

Not Squats.

I'd also like to see a list for cultists be they of the chaos or genestealer variety (can't think of reason they couldn't be in the same book to be honest).

In fantasy I wouldn't mind a Necromancers Undead book just so Nagash can return to the table top.

And that I believe is 4999 posts. Time to go and think of something profound to say for post no. 5000

Absolutionis wrote:

Personally, I really wouldn't want them to bring anyone back to 40k. The Zoats being allied with Tyranids is rather awkward and the fluff took this to its logical conclusion. ?

The zoats were part of the Nid collective, and used by them as ambassadors I believe, rather than being an actually separate race. Personally I quite liked that aspect of the Nids - it showed a level of sapience and intelligence, rather than just a mindless animal urge to run forward and eat things. It also still tied into the fact that the Nids used the best parts of the enemies it consumed - I think it is more interesting if that goes beyond "i now have sharper claws" that the Hive mind could operate in that kind of manner. And as a consequence, I think it had the potential to be far more frightening.

I think it also ties in with why we haven't seen or heard anything of Genestealer cults any more, it doesn't really fit in with the way that Nids have evolved in the background. You could draw a similar parallel with the development of Orks and that now, thanks to Gavin Thorpe, they have been reduced in their background to mindless beasts with no real society of culture. Chaos also, who couldn't be more of a cliche if they tried.

Although I'm going off on a tangent here, I was quite pleased with the new Necron Codex, as it actually introduced some more complex narrative and motivation into the story beyond everyone saying "must kill", and behaving like a noob in a deathmatch, running forward attacking wildly until either they or their enemy are killed.

I'd quite like them to produce a Codex: Scum of the Universe. Army lists for the Cults and things of that ilk, but also merc units most armies could take one of per battle. But it must include at least one unit of Squats. Because Squats are awesome.

I'm curious how many people that don't like Squats actually played them. I played them back in the day and enjoyed them quite a bit. They have as much relevance in 40K as Eldar (silly Elves) Dark Eldar (silly evil Elves), Orks and Gretchen (Orcs and Goblins), Ogryns (Ogres) Ratlings (Halflings) Inquisitors (Witch Hunters)... the list could go on if I thought more about it, but I don't want to.

However, I have to say that above and beyond anything I'd like to see, I want my Genestealer Cult back! And I really want SPECIFIC rules for Traitor Guard. In the fluff there are millions on millions of Cultists, Traitors, heretics, etc that stand against the Imperium, but 5th Ed doesn't give them any more thought than the random reference.

So much of what I truly and genuinely enjoy(ed) about this game was lost when 5th Ed came out. History disregarded, armies nerfed, fluff rewritten, armies ignored... I have hope for 6th Ed but not a lot.

The only race I would like to see back is Genestealers as a standalone. The actual fluff for this used to make me shudder as a child, it just ticked all the horror movie in space boxes for me.
Squats were crap when they were real, they're just something internet people pretend to like so they can pretend to be counter-culture.
LotD is interesting, and it's a very cool book. For the modelling alone I'd like to see the mutation table make a return, just for spawns or something like that.
Fimir, Zoats, Old Ones and so on are out for good reason. Including them in army books as little flourishes is all we need. The Jokaero is a perfect example of the nod to the old guys. I'd like to see a Gyrinx as a psychic buff charcater for a Farseer. I use one as an Enhance Warlock anyway, becuase it makes me feel good. With his own rules though, that would be much better.

Flashman wrote:And that I believe is 4999 posts. Time to go and think of something profound to say for post no. 5000

Make it something completely peurile like "lol" and nothing more.

I will always like Squats. If I was in charge of GW my first imperious command would be "Bring back Squats!" My second would be "Find somewhere to dispose of those stupid Necron things."

Pundabaya wrote:My second would be "Find somewhere to dispose of those stupid Necron things."

Good plan.

I also approve entirely of the suggestions of Zoats, Space-Slann and Gyrinxes. How about Enslavers?

For Warhammer Fantasy, I would like to see the return fo Dogs of War. Being a Border Prince would be so damn cool. Otherwise, I would like Cathay or Araby to get a book.

Of course I'd say Genestealer Cults. And honestly, I think that could happen...someday. There's a retro trend in the studio now, and GC are already well-developed. Getting written out of the Ichar IV story in the current Tyranid codex isn't a good sign, however.

I'd also like to see Space Slann, the faction that first interested me back in RT. And of course LatD.

The Slayer army of Karak Kadrin.