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A lot of people dislike space marine players and because of that less people want to play space marines, but under what conditions are they hated? All variants? Are they fine? Just vanilla space marines?

Suggest any other options.

Badly Painted ~ This is true of any army, I don't like badly painted marine armies because of how easy it is to have them look at least table top (Which is pleasing to the eye)
Used by 10-14 Year Old ~ I don't like this stereotype. Age has no relevance, maturity level and behavior does
Unpainted ~ Only if the whole army is unpainted for great lengths of time

I hate Space Marines whenever a new chapter gets a codex instead of GW being creative and introducing original ideas into the game.

of course I look down on them...they are like 32mm tops, me I am way taller than that......



no probs with marines or the players..just to common sometimes, but its what brought me into the game..way back in the 80s.

No problems here. To me 40K is all about Space Marines. But hey, I like IG, Orkz, and Nids as well. Everybody likes what they like, no sense crying about it.

I only look down on them when the player running them thinks they're invincible and unbeatable.

SM tends to get these players more than other armies.

That's what lemans and earthshaker rounds exist for. To wipe those smug faces.

nothing wrong with marines

It's not so much that I look down on space marines, but more that space marines look up to guardsmen and wish they could be half as awesome.

 Peregrine wrote:
It's not so much that I look down on space marines, but more that space marines look up to guardsmen and wish they could be half as awesome.

hahaha yes, exept for space wolves, they are awesome

A lot of non marine players feel that GW gives all the best rules to marines. Honestly, having played almost every army, marines do get special treatment, but that is because they are the flagship of this game. Though Dark Eldar and Necrons have proven to be quite powerful.

I don't look down on marines or the people that play them. It's a game, looking down on a faction or people that play them seems immature.

I will say that ANY army, marine or not, that is badly painted is an eye sore. I'd rather look at bare plastic than a bad paint job.

I am no fan of spessmaweens. But this isnt necessarily their fault.

My sheer dislike was fostered by the typical players that play them in my area. Short-tempered, arrogant, WAAC rule lawyers. This immediately gave me a bad taste, then i went to a regional tourney, and saw that 4 out of the 5 SM players i played were more or less this type of person, it was hard not to make generalizations.

And with that, all spessmaweens fell under this scrutiny in my eyes. Their fluff seemed so marysue and unoriginal, their models always seem unimpressive, and their rules are boring. So in my eyes this led me to believe that the majority of SM players players are tg's.

On the other hand, most Ork players i have played seem to be pretty easy going and i always have a good time. Oh! And every sister of battle player i have faced (just one), has been very sexually frusterated! Lol~!

Not really, Space Marines are cool. And their easy for new players to learn.

"Hate" is too strong a word, but over the years I did develop a dislike for the continued hype surrounding their fluff. Interestingly, this is more due to what their fans make of it rather than what GW actually writes (with the possible exception of a single certain Chapter whose fluff actually is that atrocious in GW's books as well). Fortunately, this lingering dislike was never strong enough to extinguish my favour for a couple Chapter whose backgrounds I dig, and due to this I'd never say I dislike SM as a whole. In fact, my first 40k minis ever were a bunch of Tactical Marines purchased on a vacation in Norway!

So I suppose that my answer is actually not on that list. "Player attitude". Some might argue that I should just check the box for 10-14 year olds, but experience has shown that age has little to do with this.

I suppose Necroshea's post encapsules my opinion perfectly.

There is also the thing that they have "too many" codices, but this I don't actually register as a reason for dislike of Marines. It makes me a little disappointed, but I understand the business reasons.

GalacticZ wrote:On the other hand, most Ork players i have played seem to be pretty easy going and i always have a good time.

Well, you kinda have to be easygoing to play Orks, lol.

I like Space Marines, but Games Workshop focuses too much on them. And escpecially Ultramarines, ergh; cheesy chapter, cheesy characters, they're just cheesy. And unoriginal.

Also, how's this: name me one paintjob, one section of an army in ALL of 40k, that has six characters to its names, their own exclusive unit (Tyrannic War veterans, seriously?) and more than 150 models in the painting showcase.

Games Workshop needs to remove half of the Ultramarine material, add in either a) army showcase of every legion, or b) painting guide. Or, simply more scenario photos.

But I have nothing against Ultramarines players. They are Space Marine players.

But if I meet a Salamanders player, more than half of the time we have a great conversation and eventually hang out for a bit.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

GalacticZ wrote:On the other hand, most Ork players i have played seem to be pretty easy going and i always have a good time.

Well, you kinda have to be easygoing to play Orks, lol.

That's how we do

I don't look down on them, nor do I inherently hate them, I just feel like they get a lot better stuff than many other races. Many of the rules hurt xenos more than marines. Things like reduced cover, exploding vehicles causing a str 4 hit even if it's open-topped, the whole no assaulting out of a vehicle thing, etc. They're also immune to many rules, such as fear, sweeping advances and moral tests in general. As a xenos player it gets obnoxious.

Still, I'm not going to refuse a game based off the army they're playing, and at least with marines you know what to expect. In my opinion, the faction that someone is playing in no way indicates the attitude of the player. The only real TFG I've ever played against primarily plays Orks, and one of my main opponents plays GK, Wolves, and Crimson Fists, and he's a great opponent. It's about the player, not the race.

My main problem, is with completely unpainted models. If someone has tried really hard to paint their models well, but is just a bad painter, then I don't mind that

Marines are an intrinsic core aspect of 40K. Without them would be no 40K. I myself have two Marine armies, plus a few Chaos Marine armies.

They're fine by me, and I don't get the 'hate' (especially Ultramarine hate) as it just seems like tall poppy syndrome to me.

Unpainted they suck.
I mean, just paint them

I don't see how anyone could hate space marines, just because of the people playing them. It's like hating a stick which was used to kill someone with.

The first 2 years I was in the hobby, Ultramarines were all I had to play against. They were never painted, and the guy playing them would say that he'd spent so much time painting them, when they were just primed, and me not fielding a model unless it was painted. I played IG, so I had around twice the number of models he had too.

Also, I just couldn't beat them. I usually have terrible dice rolls, and he usually rolled way above average, and whenever it looked like I was about to get the upper hand with my list, he'd just buy something to counter me with. And since he never painted, he'd always have it ready for the next game. It was really disheartening, so I quit playing for a long, long time, until I found someone else to play against. Just focused on painting. Now that I have a couple of pretty solid lists, I'm going to challenge him to a game again, just to see if anything has changed in the last few years. I'm guessing he won't want to, though, since he probably doesn't even know that 6th ed. is out.

Anyway, enough of the rant. In my current gaming group, there is one who has one massive ultramarines army, and one who has a decent ultramarines army along with a bunch of other armies. And after playing against those guys a bunch, my view on Ultramarines have changed a lot. It's all to do with the player, not the army.

I am not having a problem with them at all.
But I must admit sometimes I fell it's wrong to come on tournament with unpainted Astartes...

Everyone and their mom plays Space Marines. It's really, really annoying and mainly GW's fault for having 80% of the armies being tin cans along with giving them the "Space Marine bonus" e.g. deepstrike immunity that's been stripped away for the BIGGEST F-ING UNIT IN THE REGULAR GAME while the drop pods still keep it.

As we all know, xenos players are the cool guys.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Everyone and their mom plays Space Marines. It's really, really annoying and mainly GW's fault for having 80% of the armies being tin cans along with giving them the "Space Marine bonus" e.g. deepstrike immunity that's been stripped away for the BIGGEST F-ING UNIT IN THE REGULAR GAME while the drop pods still keep it.

As we all know, xenos players are the cool guys.

Wow. A lot of bitterness there. Anyway, xenos are lame. Space Elves? They're elves, what more do I have to say? Laaaame. Necrons? Toaster ovens with egyptian head-gear. If that's not the very definition of lame, I don't know what is. Tyranids? Cockroaches in space? Laaame. And then there's the Tau, who are so lame they don't even count. The only xenos who are remotely cool are the Orks. Who, to be fair, weighs up for almost all the other races, except Tau. Nothing can weigh up for tau.

Also, in the tournaments I've been to, space marines have been a distinct minority. Lots of elves and cockroaches, though.

 SgtSixkilla wrote:

Wow. A lot of bitterness there. Anyway, xenos are lame. Space Elves? They're elves, what more do I have to say? Laaaame. Necrons? Toaster ovens with egyptian head-gear. If that's not the very definition of lame, I don't know what is. Tyranids? Cockroaches in space? Laaame. And then there's the Tau, who are so lame they don't even count. The only xenos who are remotely cool are the Orks. Who, to be fair, weighs up for almost all the other races, except Tau. Nothing can weigh up for tau.

QFT.

As for "to many players play Space Marines" - everybody loves superhuman knights IN SPACE!!!

 SgtSixkilla wrote:


Wow. A lot of bitterness there. Anyway, xenos are lame. Space Elves? They're elves, what more do I have to say? Laaaame. Necrons? Toaster ovens with egyptian head-gear. If that's not the very definition of lame, I don't know what is. Tyranids? Cockroaches in space? Laaame. And then there's the Tau, who are so lame they don't even count. The only xenos who are remotely cool are the Orks. Who, to be fair, weighs up for almost all the other races, except Tau. Nothing can weigh up for tau.

This just in: Space Marines are a massive sausagefest. Guess what they do during long journeys. All alone on a space ship. Only men. In hot, sticky armors. Rainbow marines goooooo :*

I have no issues with Space Marines. I actually started fielding them rather late in my 40k career, but I have grown to like them. Not counting the chaos stuff, I have three armies built from different marine codexes.

Two quick points...

Used by 10-14 Year Old ~ I don't like this stereotype. Age has no relevance, maturity level and behavior does

You see this said alot.....almost always by people who are themselves kids. Certainly it's true that not every young player lives down to the stereotype of the annoying kiddie player and yes there are some adults out there who are worse than any child. But as a general rule the stereotype about kids who play is true. Like all stereotypes it has a basis in reality. That's how they become stereotypes to begin with.
I personally refuse to play with kids unless forced to do so in a competative enviorment. I don't get on well with small children. I'm not a babysitter. If you are under about 17 or so then your not playing with me.

Unpainted they suck.
I mean, just paint them

Agreed.
Come on, people. Army Painter primers and washes are inexpensive, commonly available, and easy to use. An unskilled person can literally paint a 2000 pnt Space Marine army to a basic standard using them in an evening. Also there are several realiabel and inexpensive third world based painting serviced out there. There really is no excuse to field an unpainted army in today's enviorment.
Fielding unpainted figures is just sheer laziness.

TR

I don't look down on them. However I do struggle to see how gw can justify the amount of codices they get- I wouldn't mind at all if they were significantly different but most of the units are generic- seems like one big book makes more sense if they want to do it that way. Space wolves is justified because it has a nice variety of unusual units and allows for some unorthodox tactics which imo makes them more fun to play as/against. Blood angels should be much the same but unfortunately their codex is just so badly written it negates the efforts to diversify them imo. So in a nutshell, I don't mind them at all, but i wish there was more competent diversification between chapters.

I don't mind Space Marines really. It matters not whether the particular unpainted army before me in Marine or Xenos in origin; it's a bug-bear and I wish people would paint at least a three-colour minimum before fielding something.

I found Marines to be the most flexible and easier of armies to use amongst the plethora of choices. It's why, for my first real foray into actual tabletop gaming (instead of just painting & modelling as I did before), I'll be purchasing a Marine army at the end of next week for Salamander use (because who doesn't like flames and fire?) ... Marines are forgiving for the rookie. I figured that many who are new to 40k make the same choice and simply continue with their army for many years to come. I do wish GW would focus more on Xenos material though.

 GalacticZ wrote:
I am no fan of spessmaweens. But this isnt necessarily their fault.

My sheer dislike was fostered by the typical players that play them in my area. Short-tempered, arrogant, WAAC rule lawyers. This immediately gave me a bad taste, then i went to a regional tourney, and saw that 4 out of the 5 SM players i played were more or less this type of person, it was hard not to make generalizations.

And with that, all spessmaweens fell under this scrutiny in my eyes. Their fluff seemed so marysue and unoriginal, their models always seem unimpressive, and their rules are boring. So in my eyes this led me to believe that the majority of SM players players are tg's.

On the other hand, most Ork players i have played seem to be pretty easy going and i always have a good time. Oh! And every sister of battle player i have faced (just one), has been very sexually frustrated! Lol~!

Another issue I have with Space Marines has to do with a resentment I hold against GW. I know Marines are the 'intrinsic flagship' of 40k, but by no means at all should their be the amount of books and focus on this single faction. I just hate how instead of being creative and coming up with a new race, GW just books another Astartes chapter that plays exactly like every other space marine chapter except slightly different. On top of that, Space Marine rules, although drab and flavorless, usually seem to tip the power tiers, while most other books get shafted.

Inb4 Necrons and Dark Eldar, they were so outdated, they needed every bit of power they were given.