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So this weekend we had a major event first day was doubles 2000pts (1000pts per player) and the next day was singles 1850. Now it's been made clear that everyone on here thinks eldar are crazy amazing and over powered (sure) even tho there hasn't been one major event since they came out that eldar have won. On a even further note the army's that have won are prime examples of over powered lists from codecs that clearly need to be fixed. But this thread is to speak about the thunder dome list, you can't tell me that eldar are broken but 2++ reroll cover (that dosent need to be cast is just happens (asking as you within 6" of the landspeeder, who also gets the 2++ reroll) while everyone says eldar don't need skill to play they are the easy army to use to win, clearly you haven't seen the thunder dome army in action, I could let a two year old use the army and they would win lol so before you all go on about "ohh fix eldar they are broken blah blah blah" you all need to really open your eyes to the fact that there are even more broken things then eldar. Thunder dome shouldn't be allowed, of its needs a big nerf.

On a side note for those who think eldar are unfun to play against, a eldar army with a Lynx on a sky shield with scattbikes and hornets came 4th overall and took home best sports.

Yes, we get it, you think that Eldar aren't as bad as people are making them out to be.

Yes, there are things that are also hideously broken and should never have gotten past playtesting. Yes, there very much are deathstar lists built around 2+ saves of various types and typically T5 & multiwound models and wound allocation gimmicks, that very much are "autopilot to win".

Not it doesn't mean that Eldar aren't abuseable in the extreme, it just means they're not the *only* thing.

EDIT: it should also be noted that many/most events have houserules in place that often affect Eldar more than other armies (e.g. Destroyer Weapon & Invisibility nerfs), and they still place heavily on the top tables. Don't look so much at just what the #1 list was, often all that separates #1 from #5 is the roll of a single dice somewhere. Look at the standings of the top 10-20 at large events, and Eldar are dramatically over-represented, along with a couple of other books.

What is a/the thunder dome list? Did it win the event you are talking about. Your post isn't real clear.

Weeman thread hold my beer and let's get ridiculous.
An event you say, place a batrep or it never happened plus who cares bout some subpar events only big ones count.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
What is a/the thunder dome list? Did it win the event you are talking about. Your post isn't real clear.

yes it won, I couldn't tell you the whole list point for point but it's the same won the won the NOVA GT

I don't follow your logic. Just because other OP things exist we can't say Eldar are OP? Both can be true.

Oooh, another "Eldar aren't broken beyond belief" thread. *grabs popcorn*

Grubass wrote:
Weeman thread hold my beer and let's get ridiculous.
An event you say, place a batrep or it never happened plus who cares bout some subpar events only big ones count.

so what's your definition of a top event.? Lol subpar.? Some of the best players in North America were at this event lol


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't follow your logic. Just because other OP things exist we can't say Eldar are OP? Both can be true.

it's about the everyone talks about fixing eldar, when they should also be talking about fixing slot of other books

This is always entertaining.

Dman137 wrote:

Grubass wrote:
Weeman thread hold my beer and let's get ridiculous.
An event you say, place a batrep or it never happened plus who cares bout some subpar events only big ones count.

so what's your definition of a top event.? Lol subpar.? Some of the best players in North America were at this event lol


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't follow your logic. Just because other OP things exist we can't say Eldar are OP? Both can be true.

it's about the everyone talks about fixing eldar, when they should also be talking about fixing slot of other books

Both need to be fixed. Eldar isn't even exclusive to the "OP please nerf" talk. Tau are getting it with the rise of the Tuna battlesuit and soon I can guarantee you their Codex will get a ton of threads about how OP they are. And even before Eldar Necron Decurion was being near universally decried as OP and after it was the new SM formations.

Top players yer say man. Gief us some reps so we can see how the games went and as an evidence it isn't just another eldar troll or story from your wet dream or an event at your nans house. Eldar are the race which had the most stabile rules out of all. However we don't deny they way the game goes is just plain wrong.

Dman137 wrote:

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't follow your logic. Just because other OP things exist we can't say Eldar are OP? Both can be true.

it's about the everyone talks about fixing eldar, when they should also be talking about fixing slot of other books

They are, we've had plenty of people post on issues with Necrons, Formations, allies abuse, LoW's, etc. It's not all about Eldar all the time, or even a majority of the time. They're typically lumped in with the others pretty equally.

The big issue with Eldar is that they can be filthy without needing to use allies shennanigans or formations or alternate detachments in ways the other armies usually can't. That doesn't mean they can't also be made broken, but they have to "try" more to be so, and restrictions put in place to tone them down wouldn't necessarily solve the issues with Eldar.

Why is this even a different thread then the other one, and why is it not called something like "I keep losing with so called OP eldar lists" instead. This thread suffers from a lack of Thunder domes.

DBoy is back with another love the eldar that I love please thread! Dboy, no one will love eldar like you do. Ever. It can't happen. Ever. Your obsession is unreal.

On another note, eldar still need a huge nerf. Dark angels are just fine. No need needed. Completely serious.

 Vaktathi wrote:


EDIT: it should also be noted that many/most events have houserules in place that often affect Eldar more than other armies (e.g. Destroyer Weapon & Invisibility nerfs), and they still place heavily on the top tables. Don't look so much at just what the #1 list was, often all that separates #1 from #5 is the roll of a single dice somewhere. Look at the standings of the top 10-20 at large events, and Eldar are dramatically over-represented, along with a couple of other books.

This, which I've said several times before. So many people are still unaware of this concept. As an example, Aaron beat Nick in the nova semis largely because not only could nick's fate weaver not take down a flippin' Rhino that had been marked for death, but the Rhino ended up killing fatey instead! A reversal of that crazy happenstance would've put Nick ahead in the table quarters by a comfortable margin, (as well as giving him the aforementioned marked for death.) Things like this do happen in tournaments, like one of my opponents deep striking a massive unit into a very safe scatter zone with nothing around for 11" in 359°, and instead going 12" on that single degree that makes him mishap. OP lists are not immune to this.

Eldar were in 2nd at nova, and Brett may have stood a better chance if he had gotten first turn to get some damage going on the dome before invis went up. Who knows now?

Dman137 wrote:
So this weekend we had a major event first day was doubles 2000pts (1000pts per player) and the next day was singles 1850. Now it's been made clear that everyone on here thinks eldar are crazy amazing and over powered (sure) even tho there hasn't been one major event since they came out that eldar have won. On a even further note the army's that have won are prime examples of over powered lists from codecs that clearly need to be fixed. But this thread is to speak about the thunder dome list, you can't tell me that eldar are broken but 2++ reroll cover (that dosent need to be cast is just happens (asking as you within 6" of the landspeeder, who also gets the 2++ reroll) while everyone says eldar don't need skill to play they are the easy army to use to win, clearly you haven't seen the thunder dome army in action, I could let a two year old use the army and they would win lol so before you all go on about "ohh fix eldar they are broken blah blah blah" you all need to really open your eyes to the fact that there are even more broken things then eldar. Thunder dome shouldn't be allowed, of its needs a big nerf.

On a side note for those who think eldar are unfun to play against, a eldar army with a Lynx on a sky shield with scattbikes and hornets came 4th overall and took home best sports.

Just when I was about to stop for the night, here comes another Dman137 thread. Never stop posting man. Stay classy!

I see you haven't learned your lesson from this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664206.page Maybe I can help you: the reason Eldar haven't dominated every single tournament since their release is because various tournaments have adopted house rules that significantly affect Eldar, notably D-weapons and invisibility. I think this is a good thing, in that it gives other armies a fighting chance. It doesn't hurt that everyone knows what the standard tournament Eldar list looks like, ans has prepared something equally OP and broken in response. Plenty of tournament Eldar players are most likely bandwagoners who rely on their army list as a crutch, but Eldar have nonetheless consistently placed in the Top 5/8/10 of most major tournaments ever since they got their new codex. At that level, a lot comes down to just the skill of the individual player and the whims of the Dice Gods.

You say that an Eldar player won best sportsman at this (as yet unnamed) evnet you attended. You want to know why? It's probably because that player was a cool and friendly dude who's a great sportsman, which is to say the exact opposite of you, Dman137. All you've done is come here to whine about how an army you don't like beat you and demand that it be nerfed. A 2+ re-rollable cover save sounds really nasty, until you realize exactly how many things in the game ignore cover. Sure, Battle Brothers shenanigans needs to be nerfed, but just limiting armies to two sources and not allowing Battle Brothers to ride in each others' transports would go a long way toward fixing that, as well as invalidating Thunderdome. eldar need significantly more changes to have them be brought into line.


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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
DBoy is back with another love the eldar that I love please thread! Dboy, no one will love eldar like you do. Ever. It can't happen. Ever. Your obsession is unreal.

On another note, eldar still need a huge nerf. Dark angels are just fine. No need needed. Completely serious.

I wouldn't call Dman137 obsessed with Eldar. He's just a poor sportsman with a bad attitude who never seems to learn from the helpful advice given to him in his threads.

Dark Angels are in desperate need of an FAQ, but other than that they're fine by 7th edition standards.

I have a simple solution. Everyone go sell your armies and buy one of the following:
Orks
Tyranids
Guard
Sisters

Now no one's aloud to take formations or allies...
Yes I know that there is alot of unbalance in 40k atm but it's still a choice to play the game AND who to play against. If your playing tournaments you know what to expect and don't come crying when you loose to something that's unbalanced.

Dman137 wrote:
On a even further note the army's that have won are prime examples of over powered lists from codecs that clearly need to be fixed.

That's a pretty much par for the course in tournaments. What kind of lists did you expect you'd be playing against?

Eldar/DE were abusing a rerollable 2++ in 2013 before it got nerfed out by TO's. There's nothing new under the sun here, except it's DA (which is quite a change).

Up your game homeboy. You're the one choosing to compete in these events. So, don't hate

So Codexes need to be balanced because of a fundamental flaw within the battle rulebook?

I would have taken this list to the tournament, it looks unbeatable.

LucidNinja wrote:
I have a simple solution. Everyone go sell your armies and buy one of the following:
Orks
Tyranids
Guard
Sisters

Now no one's aloud to take formations or allies...
Yes I know that there is alot of unbalance in 40k atm but it's still a choice to play the game AND who to play against. If your playing tournaments you know what to expect and don't come crying when you loose to something that's unbalanced.

Sisters are rarely played, unsupported, but in no way shape or form as sucky as the other armies listed. At least IMO

I'm sure there are a few others I didn't mention but these are the armies that never get called op

Dman, did you compete in this tournament, and if you did what place did you get? Also, what was your sportsmanship score?

Awww yeah. another Dman thread. This looks promising.

 Grimdark wrote:

LucidNinja wrote:
I have a simple solution. Everyone go sell your armies and buy one of the following:
Orks
Tyranids
Guard
Sisters

Now no one's aloud to take formations or allies...
Yes I know that there is alot of unbalance in 40k atm but it's still a choice to play the game AND who to play against. If your playing tournaments you know what to expect and don't come crying when you loose to something that's unbalanced.

Sisters are rarely played, unsupported, but in no way shape or form as sucky as the other armies listed. At least IMO

Nah, Orks & Tyranids might not have the instant win potential of the other 7th ed codices, but they're still well ahead of both IG & Chaos Marines... And at least IG gets IoM shenanigans and some synergies from within their own book. Chaos Marines are the only codex currently that actively becomes worse when you take their namesake units!

Yoyoyo wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
On a even further note the army's that have won are prime examples of over powered lists from codecs that clearly need to be fixed.

That's a pretty much par for the course in tournaments. What kind of lists did you expect you'd be playing against?

Eldar/DE were abusing a rerollable 2++ in 2013 before it got nerfed out by TO's. There's nothing new under the sun here, except it's DA (which is quite a change).

Up your game homeboy. You're the one choosing to compete in these events. So, don't hate

the only 2++ reroll they nerf is invul, not cover or armour. It's should be all 2++ get a nerf. As for uping my game, I did really well at the tournement, in doubles we were on the final table and that's when we played thunderdome, and in singles I was 3-1. If you can sit there and say that 2++ re-roll is balanced then your out of your mind and clearly haven't played against it. I don't care who I play or if I win or lose I just like playing in a competitive atmosphere. My whole post is about people need some skill and tactics to play, thunderdome requires none of those, it requires no thinking and a small child could win with it. The event was Warmasters Challange


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 the Signless wrote:
Dman, did you compete in this tournament, and if you did what place did you get? Also, what was your sportsmanship score?

for doubles we came in 4th out of 28 and in singles I came in 9th out of 32. Both days I got perfect sports scores

 Vaktathi wrote:
Yes, we get it, you think that Eldar aren't as bad as people are making them out to be.

Yes, there are things that are also hideously broken and should never have gotten past playtesting. Yes, there very much are deathstar lists built around 2+ saves of various types and typically T5 & multiwound models and wound allocation gimmicks, that very much are "autopilot to win".

Not it doesn't mean that Eldar aren't abuseable in the extreme, it just means they're not the *only* thing.

EDIT: it should also be noted that many/most events have houserules in place that often affect Eldar more than other armies (e.g. Destroyer Weapon & Invisibility nerfs), and they still place heavily on the top tables. Don't look so much at just what the #1 list was, often all that separates #1 from #5 is the roll of a single dice somewhere. Look at the standings of the top 10-20 at large events, and Eldar are dramatically over-represented, along with a couple of other books.

this now stop this whining OP before someonecalls you out for being jelly in fact...

So eldar don't place top in tournaments where orgs modify the scenarios and rules in a way that nerfs eldar, but they still have a lot of top 16 placments and that is bad somehow?
In tournaments where TWC deathstars or deathstars in general are nerfed stuff like SW or DA aren't even seen in the first 50% of people.

TheNewBlood what thread did you get that siggy? It is hilarious.

 Quickjager wrote:
TheNewBlood what thread did you get that siggy? It is hilarious.

This one.

Let's army swap, Dman. What, no way you say? Okay, case closed.