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 More Dakka wrote:
I don't think the RW+CoF player had a particularly easy run all the way through as well. A lot of the game as objective scoring, and he had 0 Obsec units, mission 1 alone you had to be controlling objective markers in order to choose objectives to score during your turn.

I watched a bunch of his 4th match (against Eldar, no surprise) and he had very very few units left with a lot of jetbikes still flying around.

Is it a good build? Yes, but is it auto-win? I wouldn't say so. I do still stand by my comment that it exploits the prevalence of Eldar Scatbike armies.

I agree that some of the missions were pretty interesting and some harder then others but regardless of casualties he crushed all 4 games. (Idk how he lost a lot of dudes unless that eldar player had the d-Flamers.

Dman137 wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
I don't think the RW+CoF player had a particularly easy run all the way through as well. A lot of the game as objective scoring, and he had 0 Obsec units, mission 1 alone you had to be controlling objective markers in order to choose objectives to score during your turn.

I watched a bunch of his 4th match (against Eldar, no surprise) and he had very very few units left with a lot of jetbikes still flying around.

Is it a good build? Yes, but is it auto-win? I wouldn't say so. I do still stand by my comment that it exploits the prevalence of Eldar Scatbike armies.

I agree that some of the missions were pretty interesting and some harder then others but regardless of casualties he crushed all 4 games. (Idk how he lost a lot of dudes unless that eldar player had the d-Flamers.

So he crushed all four games, but struggled though certain matchups? Sounds like he's just good at playing a list designed specifically to counter the meta by focusing on mobility and a massive multi-assault. It seems to me like the Thunderdome player earned their victory, and you're just a sore loser.

Dman in some threads has been let's say unwise in his choice of words. Apparently this gives some posters here good cause for an endless streams of personal attacks even when he has toned down his approach. He's not been abusive in this thread that I've seen other than having the audacity to point out other lists that he faces in tournaments can be very powerful, perhaps necessitating his use of very powerful builds to counter. I don't see posts by Dman in this thread that justify the abuse and when the abuse comes in response to nothing, it perhaps says more about the anti Eldar guy than the Eldar guy.

Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
What is a/the thunder dome list? Did it win the event you are talking about. Your post isn't real clear.

ThunderDome is basically ravenwing with champions of fenris. You don't need troops, and everything has a 2+ rerollable cover save. So sort of lictor shame or what remaining time tau has, you need to tailor against it to even hope a glimmer of hope.

Dman137 wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
I was playing SW with Arjacks Shield Bros, Twolf cav and some GH/BC's. Mainly just a fun army that I wanted to finish painting, I had no expectations for doing particularly well, but was already up there for doubles so figured I'd stay for singles too.

I think you played my friend in the third round.? Did you play against the blue eldar with 2 hemlocks.? I was playing next to you guys, it looked like you guys were having a good time.

What list did you play?

i played with my eldar.

Right, but what was your list?

Farseer
Autrach
Squad of 9bikes/warlock
5 squads of 3 bikes
1 squad of hawks
2 D-cannons
2 hemlocks and a sword and shield WK.

Transports?

Also assuming that all your bikes have scatter lasers?

yes all the bikes had scatter lasers, as for the transports I like transports but it depends on the army I'm doing, like my SM has a lot of them as does my guard. Didn't take transports in this army didn't fit the theme I was going for, but I do have wave serpents and falcons just trying out different builds.

Yeah I mean it does sound like a pretty nasty list, but its not uber cheesing with multiple wraithknights with 2 D canon arms, and it wasn't using transports and Wraith D flamers either so I'm not seeing a whole lot of reason to hate on you for bringing it. The only thing that people will be irked about is the 15 jet bikes.

Yes Eldar definitely do have some of the cheesiest builds in the game, but it doesn't look like Dman brought it. At least not this time.

Also everytime I hear the word Goob all I can think about is the bowler hat guy from Meet the Robinsons.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

A goob is a person who never tries to better themselves in the hobby (or life for that matter) they do the same thing over and over and get defensive when challenged to better themselves (classic cognitive dissonance). Over time if not addressed they slip into a permanent state of goobdom. They are the guy who has grey models after a year and infinite free time, the guy who has been playing for 20 years and cant win games or paint better than a 10 year old, the guy who looks at eldar and thinks they've lost before they ever try rolling dice or adapting tactics. Any person heeding the advice or actions of a goob will be dragged into goobdom with little hope of escape. While others are adapting and changing and going down the road of life, goobs are on the side of the road playing with sand and expecting to be coddled and congratulated for it.

Goobs make up 75% of the people in the hobby. You either are one, or you know a bunch of them.

I'd love to better the BA. But, uh... yeah. I'm not spending the $$ for a bunch of allies I hate, either.

At least in Starcraft I can tweak my build order.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Dman in some threads has been let's say unwise in his choice of words. Apparently this gives some posters here good cause for an endless streams of personal attacks even when he has toned down his approach. He's not been abusive in this thread that I've seen other than having the audacity to point out other lists that he faces in tournaments can be very powerful, perhaps necessitating his use of very powerful builds to counter. I don't see posts by Dman in this thread that justify the abuse and when the abuse comes in response to nothing, it perhaps says more about the anti Eldar guy than the Eldar guy.

Bingo.

Dman is a great guy to play at tournaments, and scatbikes aren't that fly, they are a goobslayer army, but against decent lists and good generals its pretty run of the mill. I mean gak, I slap him around with Nids or Marines fairly regularly, where as my Michellan man army has yet to win against scat bikes. You just have to adapt your tactics, and change up your army.

And that I think is the main problem, people don't want to keep changing their army, either through lack of spending money or inability to change. After awhile that pesky cognitive dissonance kicks in and they convince themselves what they are doing isn't wrong.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Dman in some threads has been let's say unwise in his choice of words. Apparently this gives some posters here good cause for an endless streams of personal attacks even when he has toned down his approach. He's not been abusive in this thread that I've seen other than having the audacity to point out other lists that he faces in tournaments can be very powerful, perhaps necessitating his use of very powerful builds to counter. I don't see posts by Dman in this thread that justify the abuse and when the abuse comes in response to nothing, it perhaps says more about the anti Eldar guy than the Eldar guy.

Bingo.

Dman is a great guy to play at tournaments, and scatbikes aren't that fly, they are a goobslayer army, but against decent lists and good generals its pretty run of the mill. I mean gak, I slap him around with Nids or Marines fairly regularly, where as my Michellan man army has yet to win against scat bikes. You just have to adapt your tactics, and change up your army.

And that I think is the main problem, people don't want to keep changing their army, either through lack of spending money or inability to change. After awhile that pesky cognitive dissonance kicks in and they convince themselves what they are doing isn't wrong.

I have enough BA models to field pretty much anything in the codex. Care to suggest a build that works against the tourney field?

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

A goob is a person who never tries to better themselves in the hobby (or life for that matter) they do the same thing over and over and get defensive when challenged to better themselves (classic cognitive dissonance). Over time if not addressed they slip into a permanent state of goobdom. They are the guy who has grey models after a year and infinite free time, the guy who has been playing for 20 years and cant win games or paint better than a 10 year old, the guy who looks at eldar and thinks they've lost before they ever try rolling dice or adapting tactics. Any person heeding the advice or actions of a goob will be dragged into goobdom with little hope of escape. While others are adapting and changing and going down the road of life, goobs are on the side of the road playing with sand and expecting to be coddled and congratulated for it.

Goobs make up 75% of the people in the hobby. You either are one, or you know a bunch of them.

Much appreciated, though it can still be taken as an insult. I would rather that Dman did not use such terms and expect themself to come off scott-free in the process.

Though, goob-dom isn't necessarily wrong, might I add. Why should a player be punished for using an army that has worked well for them previously only for it become invalidated. Many people can't afford to make a whole new army to avoid this "goobdom" you refer to. It's not like an FPS or RTS where you can just change your entire loadout on a whim. You buy an army, and most people stick by that until they can buy a new one. You actually have to plan ahead with buying. And if your once-wise choice is spat on by codex creep? What then? I'd actually love to see your reaction if your favourite army (or Dman's Eldar) suddenly became the worst army in the game, as in, worse than SoB or MT. What then?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

The goobs comment came after 15 personal attacks. Calling guys goobs wasn't right, but neither is baiting him 15 times.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

The goobs comment came after 15 personal attacks. Calling guys goobs wasn't right, but neither is baiting him 15 times.

In personal taste, it doesn't count as an excuse. But, I digress.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

The goobs comment came after 15 personal attacks. Calling guys goobs wasn't right, but neither is baiting him 15 times.

Report the post, Don't respond to it.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:Dman in some threads has been let's say unwise in his choice of words. Apparently this gives some posters here good cause for an endless streams of personal attacks even when he has toned down his approach. He's not been abusive in this thread that I've seen other than having the audacity to point out other lists that he faces in tournaments can be very powerful, perhaps necessitating his use of very powerful builds to counter. I don't see posts by Dman in this thread that justify the abuse and when the abuse comes in response to nothing, it perhaps says more about the anti Eldar guy than the Eldar guy.

Maybe not in this thread, but there have been plenty in previous threads. Dman son of Morgoth isn't being "abused" or "personally attacked", he's being called out for his bad attitude and ignorance. I can count the number of Dman137 threads that haven't been blatant troll attempts on one hand. In case you haven't noticed, this is one of his regular troll threads.

Ravenous D wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

A goob is a person who never tries to better themselves in the hobby (or life for that matter) they do the same thing over and over and get defensive when challenged to better themselves (classic cognitive dissonance). Over time if not addressed they slip into a permanent state of goobdom. They are the guy who has grey models after a year and infinite free time, the guy who has been playing for 20 years and cant win games or paint better than a 10 year old, the guy who looks at eldar and thinks they've lost before they ever try rolling dice or adapting tactics. Any person heeding the advice or actions of a goob will be dragged into goobdom with little hope of escape. While others are adapting and changing and going down the road of life, goobs are on the side of the road playing with sand and expecting to be coddled and congratulated for it.

Goobs make up 75% of the people in the hobby. You either are one, or you know a bunch of them.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

So seventy-five percent of all players don't meet your "tournament-grade" standards? I can see why you like Dman137; you have similar attitudes.

"Scrub Mentality" doesn't exist in a game of fundamental unbalance like Warhammer 40k. For many armies, there is very little they can do against an Eldar list cheesy enough to compete in tournaments. You could argue that they should just sell their army or "get good", but maybe those players are attracted to something other than winning tournaments, and don't want to just spam the most OP and flavor-of-the-month armies and units. Maybe they just want to have a good time playing a game and aren't so cutthroat about winning. Maybe they actually like to "Forge The Narrative" and play battles based on the lore. In my experience, it's the really competitive players who either have armies of grey plastic and primer, or have their armies commission painted to try to win painting contests or to get into the door where tournaments require a three-color minimum. There is a definite but unwarranted divide between the "competitive" and "casual" scenes in 40k, and you aren't doing anything to bridge that gap.

Go right ahead. Call me a "goob". You know what? I'd be proud. I'd take it as a badge of honor that I don't denigrate seventy-five percent of the playerbase and think that fun can be had in playing things other than the most competitive lists and units. Sing it with me, people!

I'm a goofy goober, yeah!
You're a goofy goober, yeah!
We're all goofy goobers, yeah!
Goofy goofy goober goober!
ROCK!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

The goobs comment came after 15 personal attacks. Calling guys goobs wasn't right, but neither is baiting him 15 times.

In personal taste, it doesn't count as an excuse. But, I digress.

That's why I said it wasn't the right response. It does gives context to his statement though.

I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

 Vash108 wrote:
I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

We have had this argument enough, but certain posters keep asserting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Eldar are fine as far as balance goes and the rest of us just need to "get good". Then, when someone wins a tournament with a list that can actually counter Eldar tournament lists, a certian poster whines on the forum and demands the army be nerfed.

 Vash108 wrote:
I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

Was thinking this myself. Dman probably should have just added this in a comment to the previous thread which covers the same point: look there's OP stuff there too.


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 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

We have had this argument enough, but certain posters keep asserting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Eldar are fine as far as balance goes and the rest of us just need to "get good". Then, when someone wins a tournament with a list that can actually counter Eldar tournament lists, a certian poster whines on the forum and demands the army be nerfed.

To me two factions of players can't figure out how to understand each other. Hostile anti-eldar guy won't acknowledge any challenge that Eldar guy faces, fails at self reflection, uses personal attacks, won't be satisfied unless the Eldar faction ceases to exist or is nerfed so heavily that it is nearly impossible to win, focuses on the worst abuses abs isn't satisfied with efforts to avoid them, and is a closet WAAC player that uses shaming to get wins. Hostile Eldar guy shares many of the same qualities and the key difference between the two is army choice. Not saying all anti-Eldar people have all these qualities or that all hostile Eldar guys do either, but I see these qualities seeping through many of the anti-Eldar threads.

I keep going back to my early experience as a new Eldar player in 3rd, having to listen to vets whine about star cannons, wraithlords and OP Eldar even though I wasn't using large numbers of the bad stuff while beating me easily since I was a newbie. So the irrational anti-Eldar sentiment (using irrational here to define a subset of anti-Eldar sentiment not to say all anti-Eldar sentiment is irrational) has been around a long time, before they were "OP for 25 years". I suspect it predated my time and will proceed as long as this game lasts.

What happens is valid criticisms are stretched beyond the bounds of their validity. Added to this is an inability or unwillingness to actually look at what the Eldar player is using in a particular game to see if there is a flaw that can be exploited or if they've toned down the OP before launching into a tirade about OP Eldar or breaking out the banhammer. I get that sometimes there is nothing one faction may be able to do against certain builds from another and you can't L2P your way out of it. I've just seen people not even try at times when they can. It is just default automatically to Eldar are OP.

For an Eldar player the game can be very frustrating at times. Many aren't there because they just want easy wins. They like the Eldar aesthetic better than any other army and identify most closely with Eldar. They want fun games for themselves and their opponent but have to face blanket bans and constant whines and attacks BEFORE they do anything worthy of attack. The worst part is a lot of those doing the attacking can't see that they in many instances are the one in the wrong because they are on the moral high ground reserved for Eldar haters.

Fortunately many of those criticising Eldar here have legit beefs and don't just blanket attack all Eldar, so I hope my comments aren't taken as attacking everyone who has tentatively said Eldar might need a fix here and there.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:Dman in some threads has been let's say unwise in his choice of words. Apparently this gives some posters here good cause for an endless streams of personal attacks even when he has toned down his approach. He's not been abusive in this thread that I've seen other than having the audacity to point out other lists that he faces in tournaments can be very powerful, perhaps necessitating his use of very powerful builds to counter. I don't see posts by Dman in this thread that justify the abuse and when the abuse comes in response to nothing, it perhaps says more about the anti Eldar guy than the Eldar guy.

Maybe not in this thread, but there have been plenty in previous threads. Dman son of Morgoth isn't being "abused" or "personally attacked", he's being called out for his bad attitude and ignorance. I can count the number of Dman137 threads that haven't been blatant troll attempts on one hand. In case you haven't noticed, this is one of his regular troll threads.

Ravenous D wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yet he proceeds to call us all (to quote the good TheNewBlood's sig) "goobs". I want to know what that slur means, if it would be so kind.
Personal attack, no?

People have offered explanations, but without complete information which Dman refuses to give us, we can't accurately answer the question at hand.

A goob is a person who never tries to better themselves in the hobby (or life for that matter) they do the same thing over and over and get defensive when challenged to better themselves (classic cognitive dissonance). Over time if not addressed they slip into a permanent state of goobdom. They are the guy who has grey models after a year and infinite free time, the guy who has been playing for 20 years and cant win games or paint better than a 10 year old, the guy who looks at eldar and thinks they've lost before they ever try rolling dice or adapting tactics. Any person heeding the advice or actions of a goob will be dragged into goobdom with little hope of escape. While others are adapting and changing and going down the road of life, goobs are on the side of the road playing with sand and expecting to be coddled and congratulated for it.

Goobs make up 75% of the people in the hobby. You either are one, or you know a bunch of them.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

So seventy-five percent of all players don't meet your "tournament-grade" standards? I can see why you like Dman137; you have similar attitudes.

"Scrub Mentality" doesn't exist in a game of fundamental unbalance like Warhammer 40k. For many armies, there is very little they can do against an Eldar list cheesy enough to compete in tournaments. You could argue that they should just sell their army or "get good", but maybe those players are attracted to something other than winning tournaments, and don't want to just spam the most OP and flavor-of-the-month armies and units. Maybe they just want to have a good time playing a game and aren't so cutthroat about winning. Maybe they actually like to "Forge The Narrative" and play battles based on the lore. In my experience, it's the really competitive players who either have armies of grey plastic and primer, or have their armies commission painted to try to win painting contests or to get into the door where tournaments require a three-color minimum. There is a definite but unwarranted divide between the "competitive" and "casual" scenes in 40k, and you aren't doing anything to bridge that gap.

Go right ahead. Call me a "goob". You know what? I'd be proud. I'd take it as a badge of honor that I don't denigrate seventy-five percent of the playerbase and think that fun can be had in playing things other than the most competitive lists and units. Sing it with me, people!

I'm a goofy goober, yeah!
You're a goofy goober, yeah!
We're all goofy goobers, yeah!
Goofy goofy goober goober!
ROCK!

Exalted!

If playing with a highly themed Tzeentch Daemon list (all units are in units of 9 or multiples of), and that never includes Fatey or use the re-rolled 2++ gak makes me a pathetic gooby-loser, then I'm proud of it!

If my ego really needs stroking that badly, I'll just spend a day polishing my 18 years worth of high level rep hockey trophies.

40k's just a game man.

Some people need to take a step back and breathe now and again.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

We have had this argument enough, but certain posters keep asserting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Eldar are fine as far as balance goes and the rest of us just need to "get good". Then, when someone wins a tournament with a list that can actually counter Eldar tournament lists, a certian poster whines on the forum and demands the army be nerfed.

Its a normal human thing. An eldar player plays his army. He has fun. He can one day play a tournament army and another day something else. After buying 4 types of models, his army is not done, so he can stretch the army building for a very long time. And while that happens he is having fun from the models he buys. No wonder that if someone tells him eldar are not fun, he doesn't get it. He is having more and more fun. He will give the examples of him playing non tournament lists and using not optimal units, and the fact that most armies struggle against those or have to use tournament builds to beat those for fun list goes over his head. I mean he is not WAAC or TFG, those are bad people and bad people should feel bad. He is feeling good and having fun, so it must be all the other people that are wrong.

In fact it probably works both ways. If someone plays something like IG, and IG sucks not matter what setting ones plays. The the whole game will suck, because the IG player is not having any fun, so no one else should have fun. Someone saying that w40k in 7th can or could be fun has to be clearly a lie, because the IG player has hands on expiriance with the opposit happening over a long period of time,

Some people need to take a step back and breathe now and again.

I step back and I see how much my army cost me. breathing does not help. In fact I think I had real fun with it for around more then a year.

Makumba wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I just don't get why we have so many threads of 'Why all da Eldar hatin yo?" You would think we would have had this argument enough by now.

We have had this argument enough, but certain posters keep asserting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Eldar are fine as far as balance goes and the rest of us just need to "get good". Then, when someone wins a tournament with a list that can actually counter Eldar tournament lists, a certian poster whines on the forum and demands the army be nerfed.

Its a normal human thing. An eldar player plays his army. He has fun. He can one day play a tournament army and another day something else. After buying 4 types of models, his army is not done, so he can stretch the army building for a very long time. And while that happens he is having fun from the models he buys. No wonder that if someone tells him eldar are not fun, he doesn't get it. He is having more and more fun. He will give the examples of him playing non tournament lists and using not optimal units, and the fact that most armies struggle against those or have to use tournament builds to beat those for fun list goes over his head. I mean he is not WAAC or TFG, those are bad people and bad people should feel bad. He is feeling good and having fun, so it must be all the other people that are wrong.

In fact it probably works both ways. If someone plays something like IG, and IG sucks not matter what setting ones plays. The the whole game will suck, because the IG player is not having any fun, so no one else should have fun. Someone saying that w40k in 7th can or could be fun has to be clearly a lie, because the IG player has hands on expiriance with the opposit happening over a long period of time,

Some people need to take a step back and breathe now and again.

I step back and I see how much my army cost me. breathing does not help. In fact I think I had real fun with it for around more then a year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense a hint of sarcasm in your post.

So an Eldar player having fun is wrong and bad because that army is so OP no other army has any effective counters? This makes him "WAAC" and "TFG"? Meanwhile the IG player, having no effective units in 7th edition whatsoever, is in the right for refusing to play against Eldar?

goob = get over overtly broken

Didn't want to quote the post because it's already long enough but for that person wondering I got perfect sportsmenship scores in doubles and singles. And someone comment saying that competitive players have there army's painted for them or just have primed models and what not, well I paint my own models and took home best appearance (judges choice) so yeah. I no that eldar have there strong builds but there are counters to eldar and good generals no how to play against them. But when you implement house rules it's like giving the eldar players a double nerf, people already know how to beat them and now they have rules in place to help them even further. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

Makumba wrote:
Someone saying that w40k in 7th can or could be fun has to be clearly a lie, because the IG player has hands on expiriance with the opposit happening over a long period of time,

I step back and I see how much my army cost me. breathing does not help. In fact I think I had real fun with it for around more then a year.

Ha. Sure.

Your problems are kind of on you. This guy is playing close to $1000 of Ork Walkers and having a great time. In fact he played against an IG Steel Host list and the game is awesome. Check it out.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664622.page

So is he lying about that game being fun for both players? I don't think so. Are you not having fun? Well, I believe you too. So I guess the difference is really more to do with individual players, their opponents and how they approach the game together, right?

Dman137 wrote:
. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

That is, I believe, the correct attitude that we should all be taking in this thread. Lets nerf everything thats OP.

Dman137 wrote:
Didn't want to quote the post because it's already long enough but for that person wondering I got perfect sportsmenship scores in doubles and singles. And someone comment saying that competitive players have there army's painted for them or just have primed models and what not, well I paint my own models and took home best appearance (judges choice) so yeah. I no that eldar have there strong builds but there are counters to eldar and good generals no how to play against them. But when you implement house rules it's like giving the eldar players a double nerf, people already know how to beat them and now they have rules in place to help them even further. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

Besides ThunderDome what lists give you the most challenge !

Dman137 wrote:
Didn't want to quote the post because it's already long enough but for that person wondering I got perfect sportsmenship scores in doubles and singles. And someone comment saying that competitive players have there army's painted for them or just have primed models and what not, well I paint my own models and took home best appearance (judges choice) so yeah. I no that eldar have there strong builds but there are counters to eldar and good generals no how to play against them. But when you implement house rules it's like giving the eldar players a double nerf, people already know how to beat them and now they have rules in place to help them even further. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

"I am an awesome sportsman, look at my sportsmanship scores!" doesn't come across as sportsmanlike as you seem to think it does.
If you act at all at a tournament like I've seen you act on dakka, I have a hard time believing you about it.

 niv-mizzet wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
Didn't want to quote the post because it's already long enough but for that person wondering I got perfect sportsmenship scores in doubles and singles. And someone comment saying that competitive players have there army's painted for them or just have primed models and what not, well I paint my own models and took home best appearance (judges choice) so yeah. I no that eldar have there strong builds but there are counters to eldar and good generals no how to play against them. But when you implement house rules it's like giving the eldar players a double nerf, people already know how to beat them and now they have rules in place to help them even further. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

"I am an awesome sportsman, look at my sportsmanship scores!" doesn't come across as sportsmanlike as you seem to think it does.
If you act at all at a tournament like I've seen you act on dakka, I have a hard time believing you about it.

as soon as the event results are up I'll be more then happy to post up the picture


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 Dozer Blades wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
Didn't want to quote the post because it's already long enough but for that person wondering I got perfect sportsmenship scores in doubles and singles. And someone comment saying that competitive players have there army's painted for them or just have primed models and what not, well I paint my own models and took home best appearance (judges choice) so yeah. I no that eldar have there strong builds but there are counters to eldar and good generals no how to play against them. But when you implement house rules it's like giving the eldar players a double nerf, people already know how to beat them and now they have rules in place to help them even further. If events want to nerf eldar that's fine but they need to look at all the other army's and what they can do and nerf them (or the rules) so that everyone is back on the same playing field.

Besides ThunderDome what lists give you the most challenge !

lictor shame (I have beatin it, but it was some pretty bad dice rolls on my opponents part).. Centstar in a bunker. Some tau builds I've played against we're pretty though, and oddly enough I have a relatively hard time dealing with the green tide (they had fnp and a void shield generator and I think 2-3 custom force field meks lol you can't escape 100+ orks lol