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Really its crap. Its over priced and empty.

There are 2 units which were already in the elf books and 2 HQs also already in the books. The changes are small (if there were any) and no great improvement. For the dark elfs they specifically made sure the bounis didn't stack.

The aspect warrior bonuses might be helpful here and there but the Dark elfs didn't get anything like that.

The new chapter tatics are trash. None of them are as good as the originals. Some of the coven seem good but since you have to give up a warloard trait and a unique strategem and a relic I don't think its worth it.

No new warload traits. No new relics.

Its an errata. Compared to the two new books the space Marines got I'm a little salty. Chaos got a good book. We got trash.

And they had such oportuinty. Chapter tatics or something for the mercenaries. A few lesser hq choices.

Lots they could have done.

As a dark elf player I'm quite disappointed. Nothing for us in vigilis. Nothing for us in our own book.

space marines and chaos got a codex, you got some optional suppelmentry rules. chill. the eldar and dark eldar stuff are box only which suggests to me multipart releases are likely going to come out later. likely WITH A CODEX.

To be honest you are right. Is a giant piece of garbage.

Chaos got crap too.

Only Marines got anything decent.

Chaos didn't get a new codex. We got a reprint of the old one with a couple new units.

eaither way comparing what comes out in a campaign supplement to a codex drop is idiotic.

Yet Templars will get the full insane Loyalist bump in the next one?

Like one intelligent person said: It just works.

This box is a must have for a dedicated Eldar player.
But I admit, its a large box with a small content. A bit disappointing.
Nevertheless, all three HQs can be put into an Asuryani, Drukhari or Harlie army.
I'm using the Visarch as an Archon. The Yncarne is one of my favorite models in the game.

Chaos got some good units from vigilus but lackluster rules. I think those two things should be distinguished.

Headlss wrote:
Its an errata. Compared to the two new books the space Marines got I'm a little salty. Chaos got a good book. We got trash.
As a dark elf player I'm quite disappointed. Nothing for us in vigilis. Nothing for us in our own book.

As other have mentioned it, you should not compare the content of this book to a full Codex release. It is bound to happen that each faction in a small campaign supplement would have fewer rules than a Codex.
Since the rules are not for you, how did you like the lore?

Headlss wrote:
Chaos got a good book.

Chaos players disagree

 Eldarain wrote:
Yet Templars will get the full insane Loyalist bump in the next one?

You seem to have better information on the upcoming PA2 book than the rest of the global community. Mind to share what insane rules Templars can look forward to? Or is your statement just hyperbole and guesswork?

a_typical_hero wrote:

Headlss wrote:
Its an errata. Compared to the two new books the space Marines got I'm a little salty. Chaos got a good book. We got trash.
As a dark elf player I'm quite disappointed. Nothing for us in vigilis. Nothing for us in our own book.

As other have mentioned it, you should not compare the content of this book to a full Codex release. It is bound to happen that each faction in a small campaign supplement would have fewer rules than a Codex.
Since the rules are not for you, how did you like the lore?

Headlss wrote:
Chaos got a good book.

Chaos players disagree

 Eldarain wrote:
Yet Templars will get the full insane Loyalist bump in the next one?

You seem to have better information on the upcoming PA2 book than the rest of the global community. Mind to share what insane rules Templars can look forward to? Or is your statement just hyperbole and guesswork?

there have been some rumors kicking around, but presumably by insane he presumably means the Black Templars will have a doctrine special ability, which is proably a safe bet. but you can't expect them to bolt that onto a army that lacks doctrines. and TBH I don't think it's desirable to give every army the same toys Marines do (when that inevitably occurs it leads to Marines suffering because suddenly they're just a block of 4+ stats, because other armies add what where supposed to be the marines toys atop their old toys) I doi however belive every army needs it's own UNIQUE anti-soup abilities. but don't just toss doctrines on imperial guard (just for example here) and call it a day

 Eldarain wrote:
Yet Templars will get the full insane Loyalist bump in the next one?

We don't know what templars are getting there

I think its too early to say how Templars will make out with their PA book. If their book is awesome and this one sucked, then well I hope to hear about who got it better at that point.

As is the book seemed rather crap and I'm sorry about that.

I'll also say someone saying eldar players shouldn't be a little bothered they seemed to get such low effort money grabs tossed their way should probably chill on that as well.

We will need to see what the other marines get in these books, if they get the red carpet treatment while lesser factions get lazy crap, well then we'll have issues.

Oh and saying " Hey you'll get a new codex soon ! " Is a real dumb thing to say. First off, of course they'll get a new codex some day, at some point. People have no idea how soon that will be I'd say not until Feb at the very least at this point and that is assuming new books are on the way for anyone in the immediate future aside from Sisters.

I found it a bit of a mixed bag. I liked the buff to Drazhar and the Incubi, and am hoping that they get a bit of a points drop in CA.

The most disappointing thing as a Drukhari player were the new Kabalite obesssions. It's one thing that they weak, but what I found utterly bewildering were the close combat themed obsessions, which would seem to suggest that the writers lack an understanding of how Kabalites function.

Yeah it's a pretty rubbish book. The Exarch Powers do allow for some good combos like Crimson Hunters and Shining Spears but they really didn't need the buff in the first place.

The fluff was trash and I feel sorry for anyone who bought the collector's edition.

I'm mixed with the book. I like a continuation of the Ynnari storyline, and also like new missions and ways to play the game (although could have done with more than 3). The Exarch powers are a welcome addition, even if most are not worth taking over the standard one. The new psychic powers offer options for warlocks which is great. Craftworld attributes are actually the best part of the book for me. I've been playing Iyanden with my Eldar and the only real boon is the psytronome. I've now played a couple of games using Wrath of the Dead and savage Blades for a Wraith Host detachment, and I am very happy with the results. Rerlling 1s to wound for a lot of weapons that wound on 2s....yes please, especially Hemlocks.
The drukhari does look a bit weak, although I haven't looked in great detail. The new icubi and Drazhar are fine.
Ynnari characters being cheaper is also good but the army is still not great.

It's not a crap book (in my eyes), it just could have been so much more.
Now, if you're a Drukhari player....I would probably agree with you.

On a plus we got plastic Incubi, they look great.

Shame no plastic Grotesques and Urien Rakarth.

Yeah pretty much. Love the new models but the book itself feels lazy and underdeveloped. There isn't even any new art. The story is garbage. Can't comment on the rules as I don't play space elves.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Yeah pretty much. Love the new models but the book itself feels lazy and underdeveloped. There isn't even any new art. The story is garbage. Can't comment on the rules as I don't play space elves.

In fairness I think the 40K fluff has been taking a nose dive in quality for some years. PA is just an extension of this trend to shift the new hotness e.g. banshees, etc.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Yeah pretty much. Love the new models but the book itself feels lazy and underdeveloped. There isn't even any new art. The story is garbage. Can't comment on the rules as I don't play space elves.

In fairness I think the 40K fluff has been taking a nose dive in quality for some years. PA is just an extension of this trend to shift the new hotness e.g. banshees, etc.

Think this is rather true, I wanted the box. But I was not paying the price asking for what is a very lean box, the book itself was a no go with nearly nothing I wanted. Find reading the 40k fluff so boring now :(

"Hey, remember how we were supposed to be doing new Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequin and Ynnari codices?"
"Yeah?"
"Well we ran into a bit of a problem."
"Which was . . . ?"
"Well, no one here gives a damn about any of those."
"So you're saying you've got nothing?"
"Well, not nothing exactly. We've got some army-traits and Exarch powers for Eldar, plus a new psychic discipline. We cared even less about Dark Eldar, so we only got as far as doing a few army traits for them. Honestly, we forgot Harlequins even existed so we've got nothing for them right now."
"Okay, no problem. Unlike our glorious Marines, all the Eldar factions are basically interchangeable, right?"
"Right."
"So all we do is cram these rules together and we can just call it an Eldar supplement."
"It still looks a little light."
"No problem, we'll just pad it out with the Ynnari rules."
"Wait, those got printed? They weren't even a first draft. We'd written them on a beermat!"
"Yeah, HQ were a bit sceptical at first. But then i explained that they weren't Marine rules and they gave us the green light."
"Well, I guess this will do for Eldar, Dark Eldar and Ynnari, but what about Harlequins? We don't even have a single new rule for them."
"They can use Ynnari can't they?"
"Will our players really accept this?"
"Trust me - if they buy Collector's Editions of books that are obsolete within a few years, they'll snap this book right up."

Did they really have a talk like that?

 vipoid wrote:
"Hey, remember how we were supposed to be doing new Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequin and Ynnari codices?"
"Yeah?"
"Well we ran into a bit of a problem."
"Which was . . . ?"
"Well, no one here gives a damn about any of those."
"So you're saying you've got nothing?"
"Well, not nothing exactly. We've got some army-traits and Exarch powers for Eldar, plus a new psychic discipline. We cared even less about Dark Eldar, so we only got as far as doing a few army traits for them. Honestly, we forgot Harlequins even existed so we've got nothing for them right now."
"Okay, no problem. Unlike our glorious Marines, all the Eldar factions are basically interchangeable, right?"
"Right."
"So all we do is cram these rules together and we can just call it an Eldar supplement."
"It still looks a little light."
"No problem, we'll just pad it out with the Ynnari rules."
"Wait, those got printed? They weren't even a first draft. We'd written them on a beermat!"
"Yeah, HQ were a bit sceptical at first. But then i explained that they weren't Marine rules and they gave us the green light."
"Well, I guess this will do for Eldar, Dark Eldar and Ynnari, but what about Harlequins? We don't even have a single new rule for them."
"They can use Ynnari can't they?"
"Will our players really accept this?"
"Trust me - if they buy Collector's Editions of books that are obsolete within a few years, they'll snap this book right up."

Wrapped round a piss poor story arc and I think that about sums it up.

Karol wrote:
Did they really have a talk like that?

No. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.

Karol wrote:
Did they really have a talk like that?

No, it is a parody of the process.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Karol wrote:
Did they really have a talk like that?

No. Dont believe everything you read on the internet.

okey, thanks. I kind of a assumed it could be a joke, but am never sure on those things.

maybe there is no big rules in the book, because GW is planning some sort of eldar codex within the next 12 months.

At this stage I am getting the feeling these books are nothing but paliative care for armies which (a) don't wear power armour and (b) don't shout 'For the Emperor!' every five seconds.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
At this stage I am getting the feeling these books are nothing but paliative care for armies which (a) don't wear power armour and (b) don't shout 'For the Emperor!' every five seconds.

Considering how "well" the books turned out...

Karol wrote:
Did they really have a talk like that?

Nobody in the GW design studio is actually that self-aware. They are genuinely trying their best and think they're doing a good job. Sadly.