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puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:
(I still wouldn't buy anything unseen though)

This makes me wonder about how the online market will be affected.

Some Chinese recasters wet dream just came true! I've gotten a few off ebay that are honestly hard to tell aren't legit.

CMDante wrote:Is the argument over whether metal was better than finecast or that other manufacturers are better than GW? Ultimately both come down to opinion - particularly on the point of other manufcturers.

When it comes to finecast v metal though, here is how I base my opinion:

Crispness and rendering of detail on the sculpt.

Surface quality.

Clean up and workability of the material.

Now in my opinion, finecast trumps GW's metals on all counts.

Its not a matter of opinion if you have :

- One resin line full of bubbles from X manufacturer
- One resin line with zero bubbles from Y manufacturer

And Im not even addressing the wrappage and flash and miscasts and not cutted from sprues issues.

You can argue all you want its down personal taste or opinions but its really not the case here. See my point?

As for metal vs resin debate I was not addressing that I was only giving you a example of an acceptable quality standart at gw... But if you want to go there yes I agree thats a more subjective and down to personal opinion thing... Mind I like all materials (except prepainted) if they are professionally done.

Alendrel wrote:

That's fine, if you can get quality castings of finecast models.

But apparently my expectation of having at least one usable model out of the $128US of Finecast I bought (not counting the $150US of additional boxes they opened trying, and failing, to find an acceptable Canis), is unrealistic. I guess I should be happy that maybe 1 out of the 12 sprues worth of Finecast I got is actually of decent casting quality.

And it's not a matter of a few tiny bubbles in the middle of a surface, but whole portions of a model missing, or distorted and destroyed detail. My professional standard, as a caster, is to not send out something that requires the customer to have to resculpt part of the model. Surely, with GW claiming these as " the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen", they can meet that bar?

Of course, but if you'll read what I have said, at no point have I said that those points apply to the bad quality casts or that the QA has been without fault no?

The casts where whole parts of the model are missing clearly fall in the bad cast category - I've seen the same happen with metal miniatures too so its not a valid argument agaisnt the material or it's quality, but of the QA which I am not debating.


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NAVARRO wrote:

Its not a matter of opinion if you have :

- One resin line full of bubbles from X manufacturer
- One resin line with zero bubbles from Y manufacturer

And Im not even addressing the wrappage and flash and miscasts and not cutted from sprues issues.

You can argue all you want its down personal taste or opinions but its really not the case here. See my point?

As for metal vs resin debate I was not addressing that I was only giving you a example of an acceptable quality standart at gw... But if you want to go there yes I agree thats a more subjective and down to personal opinion thing... Mind I like all materials (except prepainted) if they are professionally done.

No I really don't see your point - it is obviously a matter of opinion since we are clearly disagreeing over opposing opinions no?

Prove to me that there are manufacturers who NEVER produce figures with minor imperfections - I suspect you can't unless you personally check every figure that goes out from every resin manufacturer. Therefore, if your opinion is that some manufacturers do based on your personal experiences of their ranges, while my opinion contrasts that - then it is what it is - a difference of opinions.

I think what people should really be discussing is what they realistically want from a miniature and what they think these miniatures aren't meeting.

Realistically, I have never bought any model kit without accepting that there will be pre-paint work involved and if you go into such a purchase believing that shouldn't be the case then I believe you are being unrealistic.

thebadabwar wrote:Frankly this is the only way to buy them right now. I bought 6 pieces. 4 in blisters were near perfect. The 2 in boxes were messed up. At this point buying the blisters online at a discount is also in question as you can't visually inspect them before purchase.

And if I were a skeptical, cynical old gamer, I'd almost begin to think this is part of GW's plan:

1) Use much cheaper resin/plastic material - check
2) Raise prices higher than the already high price of metals (while using cheaper material) - check
3) Release product before all the QA stuff is in place - check
4) Cause people to feel that ordering online is too much of a crapshoot, so they'll come to GW store or LGS to buy them - check
5) See decline in units moved, but maintain small profit due to increased price - TBD

And as for other manufacturers, I've ordered lots of stuff from Warlord Games, plastic romans, metal romans, and resin characters - they've all been perfect. Minimal to no flash, no stringy metal bits all over the model, no bubbles or mistakes in the resin. Just desprue, assemble, and paint.

I've also ordered lots of 10mm metals, cowboys, pirates, historicals in metal from a variety of manufacturers and they've been better than GW in terms of mold lines, flash, and miscasts.

On GW's side, they've always been superb about returns and replacing bad product. Of course, metal miscasts I've encountered with GW were few and far between. Who knows how their policy changes if people decide to actually complain about these miscasts, air bubbles, etc., rather than having to fix them. They could have a lot of work on their hands (of course, I"m sure it costs GW pennies with their cheaper material - I mean, Mantic is doubling the contents of their boxed sets, and they're using the same/similar material).

Time to add my two penneth's worth.

I'm disappointed and more than a little peeved. The majority of Finecost miniatures I've seen pictures of or read reviews of have had hideous flaws, such as air bubbles or voids obliterating parts of the detail. Often these details would be very difficult to resculpt unless you have a great deal of sculpting experience. These flaws are even present on several miniatures shown on the GW website, presumably the best casts they could find. If even they can't find good quality casts to showcase, what hope is there for me? I keep reading positive reviews saying that so-and-so model was really good quality, except it was missing part of it's fingers, or foot, or weapon etc. Um... that is not good quality.

This is hugely discouraging and I don't think it is an overreaction to be worried and annoyed by the prospect of recieving faulty goods for marked up prices.
I do not expect perfection, I can cope with excessive amounts of flash and mould lines, even with a small amount of warping. But at these prices the miniature itself had better be complete and undamaged.

I have never had a problem with a metal miniature, besides basic cleanup. I understand that metal miscasts do happen but it seems they are much rarer. Weight is not important to me, neither is the visibility of details pre-painting. I have never needed to pin a metal mini - a bit of grey stuff mixed with superglue creates an incredibly strong bond, if required. I'm glad they're softer than metal, but they actually sound much too soft. So these much touted benefits of resin mean nothing to me. I am intrigued by the conversion possibilities and am glad that paint will not chip off these models, but these are minor advantages when weighed against the prospect bad quality casts. We are being charged more for an inferior product.

I was actually glad when I heard GW were switching to resin. I assumed it would be cheaper. I also assumed that, given the high quality of most of their miniatures, there would be few casting problems. One of GW's few remaining virtues is (or was) their high quality. This is not a matter of expecting zero imperfections. They promised the best of the best. If other, smaller, companies can produce resin miniatures without this many flaws, then so can GW. If other, smaller, companies can reduce prices when they switch to resin, then so can GW.

There are (or were) a great many metal minis I'd planned to buy. but I have no intention of spending my money, time and effort sending back defective miniatures (that cost an arm and a leg) and therefore I will not be playing Resin Roulette. I will not be buying Finecast minis, except perhaps when I can view them in advance. Absolutely no boxes or mail orders. They are not worth the money. Quite frankly, with quality like this, I think they'd be expensive at half the price.

Going back...

CMDante wrote:I find it strange that so many people seem to be claiming that small amounts of flash and the odd air bubble on otherwise perfect casts (yes there have been very bad casts too) is totally unacceptable as if GW have lampooned you with shoddy gak for your hard earned money.

This level of discontent is more to do with utterly unrealistic expectations, a general dislike for GW as a company an probably a lack of wider miniature experience.

I don't think you'll find any resin figure without some tiny imperfections, whatever the cost. It's undeniable that the good casts from the finecast range are superior to even the best metal casts from GW - whether it's because of finer rendered detail, workability of the material etc

It depends on the level which you deem a model acceptable to begin painting on but given the amount of pre-paint prep I'm used to having to do on metal figures to remove difficult mould lines, burs, flash and pitting, filling the odd small airbubble and removing (much easier to remove) mould lines on the new resin wins hands down any day.

Yes, there have been a number of vocal "horror story" cases shown online, but I still refuse to believe that these are the majority. QA has clearly been variable at best in a lot o instances but there has clearly also been a lot of unrealistic expectation too.

I haven't seen any horror stores about models with pinprick holes or such being ballied about. I have seen plenty about about grievous faults. I've seen people post up pics of their supposedly good minis that have a half dozen miscast spots they didn't notice. People aren't mad about having to clean their Finecast models, but at them requiring substantial resculpting work - and some stores pushing that as OK.

The quality of the material means jack and all if one doesn't get a casting worth keeping and using.

Alendrel wrote:Going back...

CMDante wrote:I find it strange that so many people seem to be claiming that small amounts of flash and the odd air bubble on otherwise perfect casts (yes there have been very bad casts too) is totally unacceptable as if GW have lampooned you with shoddy gak for your hard earned money.

This level of discontent is more to do with utterly unrealistic expectations, a general dislike for GW as a company an probably a lack of wider miniature experience.

I don't think you'll find any resin figure without some tiny imperfections, whatever the cost. It's undeniable that the good casts from the finecast range are superior to even the best metal casts from GW - whether it's because of finer rendered detail, workability of the material etc

It depends on the level which you deem a model acceptable to begin painting on but given the amount of pre-paint prep I'm used to having to do on metal figures to remove difficult mould lines, burs, flash and pitting, filling the odd small airbubble and removing (much easier to remove) mould lines on the new resin wins hands down any day.

Yes, there have been a number of vocal "horror story" cases shown online, but I still refuse to believe that these are the majority. QA has clearly been variable at best in a lot o instances but there has clearly also been a lot of unrealistic expectation too.

I haven't seen any horror stores about models with pinprick holes or such being ballied about. I have seen plenty about about grievous faults. I've seen people post up pics of their supposedly good minis that have a half dozen miscast spots they didn't notice. People aren't mad about having to clean their Finecast models, but at them requiring substantial resculpting work - and some stores pushing that as OK.

The quality of the material means jack and all if one doesn't get a casting worth keeping and using.

Read back a bit further to the point where people were getting hyper critical about a few small air bubbles on the Chaos Warrior pictured a few pages back (and elsewhere on other forums). Those "faults" were not "substantial resculpting work".

In fairness, it was still far from the best example of quality of cast from the finecast range, and gain, opinion, but I wouldn't have been outraged as some seem to be to have purchased that model.

CMDante wrote:
I think what people should really be discussing is what they realistically want from a miniature and what they think these miniatures aren't meeting.

For the third time: a casting that does not require the customer to resculpt missing/damaged/destroyed portions of the model.


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CMDante wrote:

Alendrel wrote:Going back...

CMDante wrote:I find it strange that so many people seem to be claiming that small amounts of flash and the odd air bubble on otherwise perfect casts (yes there have been very bad casts too) is totally unacceptable as if GW have lampooned you with shoddy gak for your hard earned money.

This level of discontent is more to do with utterly unrealistic expectations, a general dislike for GW as a company an probably a lack of wider miniature experience.

I don't think you'll find any resin figure without some tiny imperfections, whatever the cost. It's undeniable that the good casts from the finecast range are superior to even the best metal casts from GW - whether it's because of finer rendered detail, workability of the material etc

It depends on the level which you deem a model acceptable to begin painting on but given the amount of pre-paint prep I'm used to having to do on metal figures to remove difficult mould lines, burs, flash and pitting, filling the odd small airbubble and removing (much easier to remove) mould lines on the new resin wins hands down any day.

Yes, there have been a number of vocal "horror story" cases shown online, but I still refuse to believe that these are the majority. QA has clearly been variable at best in a lot o instances but there has clearly also been a lot of unrealistic expectation too.

I haven't seen any horror stores about models with pinprick holes or such being ballied about. I have seen plenty about about grievous faults. I've seen people post up pics of their supposedly good minis that have a half dozen miscast spots they didn't notice. People aren't mad about having to clean their Finecast models, but at them requiring substantial resculpting work - and some stores pushing that as OK.

The quality of the material means jack and all if one doesn't get a casting worth keeping and using.

Read back a bit further to the point where people were getting hyper critical about a few small air bubbles on the Chaos Warrior pictured a few pages back (and elsewhere on other forums). Those "faults" were not "substantial resculpting work".

In fairness, it was still far from the best example of quality of cast from the finecast range, and gain, opinion, but I wouldn't have been outraged as some seem to be to have purchased that model.

Filling in at least two or three armor plates and reshaping them, filling in and resclupting the end of the scabbard, resculpting the missing chunk of boot...yeah that is substantial. Especially for what are supposed to be the best miniatures ever.

CMDante wrote:

Read back a bit further to the point where people were getting hyper critical about a few small air bubbles on the Chaos Warrior pictured a few pages back (and elsewhere on other forums). Those "faults" were not "substantial resculpting work".

In that case we have very different standards. Part of the foot was missing. Part of an armour plate was missing. The bottom of the scabbard was missing. Part of the skull on his chest was missing. There were several smaller flaws also. In my book these things were faults. And any way you spin it they required sculpting work. I have bought resin pieces before (not many, I'll grant you) and none of them had FAULTS like this. So my standards are not impossibly high, other manufacturers have set the bar.

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CMDante wrote:Prove to me that there are manufacturers who NEVER produce figures with minor imperfections - I suspect you can't unless you personally check every figure that goes out from every resin manufacturer. Therefore, if your opinion is that some manufacturers do based on your personal experiences of their ranges, while my opinion contrasts that - then it is what it is - a difference of opinions.

I can honestly say I've not seen a Studio McVey resin figure with defects - and as my LGS is amongst the few allowed to stock them in-store, I get to look at quite a few of them. Not every cast, certainly, but quite a few of them.

I believe, having spoken to Mike, that it is thanks to a process called "Quality Control".....

I've not been in the hobby very long. I started in November last year, and even I can tell that some of these pictures are just terribly cast.

It doesn't take a bitter, resentful longtime fan to decide it's bs to be charged 25% more than metal for a product made from cheaper materials where people are finding entire pieces of weapons or feet completely missing.

It's made me suspicious of the entire line and I just hope that it's over-reporting of problems, not an indicator of the overall quality.

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NAVARRO wrote:

Its not a matter of opinion if you have :

- One resin line full of bubbles from X manufacturer
- One resin line with zero bubbles from Y manufacturer

And Im not even addressing the wrappage and flash and miscasts and not cutted from sprues issues.

You can argue all you want its down personal taste or opinions but its really not the case here. See my point?

As for metal vs resin debate I was not addressing that I was only giving you a example of an acceptable quality standart at gw... But if you want to go there yes I agree thats a more subjective and down to personal opinion thing... Mind I like all materials (except prepainted) if they are professionally done.

No I really don't see your point - it is obviously a matter of opinion since we are clearly disagreeing over opposing opinions no?

Prove to me that there are manufacturers who NEVER produce figures with minor imperfections - I suspect you can't unless you personally check every figure that goes out from every resin manufacturer. Therefore, if your opinion is that some manufacturers do based on your personal experiences of their ranges, while my opinion contrasts that - then it is what it is - a difference of opinions.

I think what people should really be discussing is what they realistically want from a miniature and what they think these miniatures aren't meeting.

Realistically, I have never bought any model kit without accepting that there will be pre-paint work involved and if you go into such a purchase believing that shouldn't be the case then I believe you are being unrealistic.

Sigh... Lets try again. One last time. ( sorry no time to go on this over and over again)

Just because we are debating opinions on something it doesnt mean that the cold hard facts dont speak higher than both of us and that they are not present on the discussion.
You say that better casting on other companies are subjective and down to personal opinion... and I say I disagree with you because there are now and there were in the past manufacturers with a much better tracking record concerning bubbles and other issues.

And you refute that with the odd argument you havent checked the entire lines... yeah great, from that line of ideas you can doubt pretty much anything in the world because you havent checked it out by yourself... Theres a thing called information and other people experiences and those PLUS your personal experiences can give a closer to the truth perspective...

If thats not enough of a redundant hyperbole now you ask me to prove and name the manufacturers that cast things bubble free.

Some years ago I reviewed here Alkemy plastic resins and pure resins go check articles... did I check the full line? Nope I just got a full faction and 2 diferent materials and casts and read most reviews online concerning that... But yes its reasonable to think all crappy casts in alkemy were never bought and reviewed by anyone... another example Mcvey... praised by all as the sharpest on the market and I also personally checked them and yes some of the best right there... But there are plenty more if you care to search.

But are they perfect? Nope nothing perfect but that does not mean GW finecasts are on the same ball park or universe just because theres nothing perfect... Lets just say theres levels of quality and those are measured by the sum of all things related to a particular manufacturer and their independent reviews...
Considering the finecasts casts MINOR issues is not knowing what minor means for lots of manufacturers outhere and yes thats irrealistic in your part.

So my friend wich is a better manufacturer ferrarri or tony junkyard? I know I know you have to try out and check all cars first

You have to bear in mind as well, that GW's target is... well it's the kids.

We who have been around the block a few times - yeah, we can fix that in 20 minutes with a bit of GS, a cup of steaming cocoa and our carpet slippers.

Kids with no patience or sculpting / modelling skills built up (remember when we were young?) simply won't be able to smoothly fix those bubbled lower surfaces, and will wonder why the hell their model looks so naff compared to what's in White Dwarf, paintwork notwithstanding.

So if the target market are likely to be the most disappointed, you have to ask what the hell's going onl.

Having been to warhammer world today and trawled the finecasts, roughly half that I looked through had significant bubbles or miss casts.

Been a GW fan for 20 years, have thousands of pounds of their product, but if they really don't improve their QA.... Very disappointed...

Druidic wrote:Having been to warhammer world today and trawled the finecasts, roughly half that I looked through had significant bubbles or miss casts.

Been a GW fan for 20 years, have thousands of pounds of their product, but if they really don't improve their QA.... Very disappointed...

Im with you there, long time collector very disappointed with this... Since you report the problem within the heart of all things GW ( warhammer world) we can expect that worldwide I guess

I can't believe I joined just to chime in on this brouhaha, but...

This whole debacle upsets me primarily, I think, because I actually got pretty excited about it before the unveiling. I've purchased resin products before and they invariably contain substantial defects, some workable and some no so much.

I thought this stuff was going to be different, mainly due to GW's outlandish hype.

To see these models, even in the positive reviews, have such obvious defects is frustrating. Many of them have the same voids and nubbins and warps and cake icing texture as any run-of-the-mill resin hobby item of the last twenty years. For the first time I feel like GW didn't just overstate the product; I feel like they lied about it. This isn't some leap forward in modelling. It's just resin, albeit softer/nontoxic/lighter/whatever. Those benefits pale, for me, compared to the defects thus seen. These figs have the same inconsistencies and deformities as every other resin product out there. So the detail is super sharp? Resin minis have always had sharp detail, if you can look past the casting damage.

I understand the stuff is great for conversions and for some that is a huge selling point. Some things, like the weight of the substance, the ease of modification, and its porosity to paint are going to be boons to certain gamers/modelers; it all depends on whether the pros and cons add up, for you, to a worthy purchase at the price.

I'm a decent modeller, but I'm not gonna greenstuff my Exalted Hero a new foot. I like to convert but my conversions these days are not that elaborate and the abundance of plastic parts makes things easier anyway. (I also think I sowed my conversion oats during the metal days of the early 90's; I have the scars to prove it.) Some here are defending the figures as acceptable resin models with reasonable resin flaws. Again, this is a personal judgement call as to whether the product is worth the price.

I've been lavishing money on GW since 1987 and still do. Like a good sucker I spent about $800 at the Warstore last week before the price rise (about three scout squads worth for you Australian gamers). Money is not an obstacle when it comes to getting good figures. In college during the mid-90's (when I had basically no income) I gladly spent $6 on a metal terminator. Now, when I have a good professional income, these prices seem discordant with the quality of resin models on offer.

For whatever business reason, GW released these knowing they are not of the hyperbolic quality stated, hence their convenient little FAQ on how to deal with the defects right before release. "Sometimes you will see small bubbles on the surface of Citadel Finecast models." Small bubbles don't bother me, GW, but the bite out of the end of a scabbard and a missing heel or two kinda make me reconsider my online purchase. Also, the blatant attempt to hide evidence of bad casts after the fact is poor form. Anyone notice they photoshopped the website pic of the resin Emperor's Champ to add in the point of the crux that was missing? Sad.

Navarro - I think we have reached a classic point in most disagreements where smugness and sarcasm have crept in unbidden.

I'm happy to accept that we disagree on opinion, but what you are still describing is opinion as far as I'm concerned.

I own a couple of McVey resins too, which indeed are nice - but they still have the same problems all resin models have. My Lt Kara Black had a section of the foot and forearm missing and bubbles on all parts, the ammo belt was warped and needed serious re-working - I'm not pissing and moaning about it because I can accept that.

Again, for one last time (because I don't have time to keep repeating this ) the good casts of the finecast range - i.e. those which have come out as intended, I believe are of equal quality to the McVey range etc.

The issue is obviously the QA, as I've repeated a number of times and which you seem to agree. But I don't see how you can tell me that the Finecast DE Archon which I hold in my hand, which has at the very least the same quality as the McVey sculpts I own, is somehow inferior in quality?

Perhaps it's the way your post reads, but you seem to have started to get quite snide and make points in a somewhat derogatory manner. Unecessary,very wrong and poor form.

(Also, the snide point about Ferrarri - do you know much about the in's and out's of the quality of Ferrarri's products or their failure rate compared to, say Skoda? Ironic that your counter point used brand as a measure of quality no?)

Vandil wrote:

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:
(I still wouldn't buy anything unseen though)

This makes me wonder about how the online market will be affected.

Some Chinese recasters wet dream just came true! I've gotten a few off ebay that are honestly hard to tell aren't legit.

Well actually it will be easy to spot the knockoffs, they will be the ones without the bubbles.

Allow me to give an example.

4 tau etherals on display, all 4 were obviously cast differently, different mold lines, etc, but 3 of the 4 all had the exact same bubble right on the front of the model taking out part of the robe. 1 I would have considered buying...... The other 3 I would have returned, even though I would be more then comfortable with resculpting, I'm just not going to pay a premium for stuff I have to rework!

Just out of curiosity:

All those miniatures that get sent back, do they get melted down again or are they destroyed and lost forever?

Another thing I am curious to know: can these bubbles be prevented in any kind of way? And if yes, how? What are they doing wrong right now? Is it fundamental or because they are rushing things?

Maybe the people with casting experience posting in this thread know (probably).

I think the reported numbers of miscasts likely stems largely from a rush to fulfill such large quantities for release day.

Some of the models with a higher rates of miscasts probably need the moulds refined to ensure a correct flow of resin and venting in the right areas.

I expect much of this will be worked out in the coming months and QA will likely improve too.

CMDante wrote:Navarro - I think we have reached a classic point in most disagreements where smugness and sarcasm have crept in unbidden.

I'm happy to accept that we disagree on opinion, but what you are still describing is opinion as far as I'm concerned.

I own a couple of McVey resins too, which indeed are nice - but they still have the same problems all resin models have. My Lt Kara Black had a section of the foot and forearm missing and bubbles on all parts, the ammo belt was warped and needed serious re-working - I'm not pissing and moaning about it because I can accept that.

Again, for one last time (because I don't have time to keep repeating this ) the good casts of the finecast range - i.e. those which have come out as intended, I believe are of equal quality to the McVey range etc.

The issue is obviously the QA, as I've repeated a number of times and which you seem to agree. But I don't see how you can tell me that the Finecast DE Archon which I hold in my hand, which has at the very least the same quality as the McVey sculpts I own, is somehow inferior in quality?

Perhaps it's the way your post reads, but you seem to have started to get quite snide and make points in a somewhat derogatory manner. Unecessary,very wrong and poor form.

(Also, the snide point about Ferrarri - do you know much about the in's and out's of the quality of Ferrarri's products or their failure rate compared to, say Skoda? Ironic that your counter point used brand as a measure of quality no?)

Mate if your reading anything close to "quite snide and make points in a somewhat derogatory manner. Unecessary,very wrong and poor form." I think we really better stop right here and before we start any other relaxed chat here or any other place let me just say - I'm really sorry and never crossed my mind to put you down in any way or form... Its not really my style and philosophy and I hope you accept them. Writing in a foreign language is not that easy for me so I always try to be polite and positive with who I engage.
Lets us both grab some clayshappers and sculpt something nice then.

You guys should just kiss and make up

Shut up you.. you... gorilla

CMDante wrote:Navarro - I think we have reached a classic point in most disagreements where smugness and sarcasm have crept in unbidden.

I'm happy to accept that we disagree on opinion, but what you are still describing is opinion as far as I'm concerned.

I own a couple of McVey resins too, which indeed are nice - but they still have the same problems all resin models have. My Lt Kara Black had a section of the foot and forearm missing and bubbles on all parts, the ammo belt was warped and needed serious re-working - I'm not pissing and moaning about it because I can accept that.

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I find it very difficult to believe what you say.

I have four of the Studio McVey sculpts including the Carnosaur rider, and they are all perfect. As are the metal Studio McVey models I own. And the 100+ metal and resin models from a variety of companies (MERCS, Corvus Belli, Anteoniciti and Soda Pop) I spent this afternoon inventorying, barring some minor flash on a couple of the resin Game Character models from Elodie Mae.

I will not doubt you, though.

I can only say that you are an amazingly forgiving person to accept a special edition model costing £12 with such huge flaws. No wonder you don't have any issues with the GW resin stuff.

Aren't most of those McVey resin models limited edition though?

You'd think they spent more time & attention casting those while GW has much more quantity to handle, and did indeed do the rush job that is claimed by their staff. Not that this justifies the quality issues, but it would be the reason, hopefully.

All of them are. That's why it is so surprising that the user would receive a model with multiple defects.

They are cheaper than the mass market GW models.

CMDante wrote:I think the reported numbers of miscasts likely stems largely from a rush to fulfill such large quantities for release day.

Some of the models with a higher rates of miscasts probably need the moulds refined to ensure a correct flow of resin and venting in the right areas.

I expect much of this will be worked out in the coming months and QA will likely improve too.

[/Sarcasm] Perfectly acceptable for a company with over 25 years of experience in producing miniatures. [/Sarcasmoff]

spaceelf wrote:

Vandil wrote:

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:
(I still wouldn't buy anything unseen though)

This makes me wonder about how the online market will be affected.

Some Chinese recasters wet dream just came true! I've gotten a few off ebay that are honestly hard to tell aren't legit.

Well actually it will be easy to spot the knockoffs, they will be the ones without the bubbles.

and the ones you can afford.

Kilkrazy wrote:
I find it very difficult to believe what you say.

I have four of the Studio McVey sculpts including the Carnosaur rider, and they are all perfect. As are the metal Studio McVey models I own. And the 100+ metal and resin models from a variety of companies (MERCS, Corvus Belli, Anteoniciti and Soda Pop) I spent this afternoon inventorying, barring some minor flash on a couple of the resin Game Character models from Elodie Mae.

I will not doubt you, though.

I can only say that you are an amazingly forgiving person to accept a special edition model costing £12 with such huge flaws. No wonder you don't have any issues with the GW resin stuff.

Your right - i'm just a big ol' fabricator of truth's me!





I had forgotten actually how much work the gun needed until I dug it out just then for some quick picks (faults highlighted with red circles - some have been filled with putty as you can see).

The whole barrel needed replacing and the shield still isn't 100% after some serious trimming and reworking. Difficult to believe perhaps, but not impossible clearly.

I think the McVey figures are great and have absolute respect for them, but I'm just supporting my point with these pics, not being hyper-critical of them.